Model T Runabout Torque and Horsepower Dyno Run!

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‪@MerlinsOldSchoolGarage‬ is at it again! After the engine swap he puts the 1915 Model T Runabout on the dyno for a second test to find how much horsepower and torque it gained... or lost? Will this engine swap be a win for the model T or an embarrassment?

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@georgesandyjr660 8 ай бұрын

My Father , and I restored a bunch of T's back in the 60's / 70's...Not to HP them but back to factory spec's...Some are now in Museums. One thing we used to do to help cranking them was to put the driver-side wheel up on a jack...leave the trans in gear... crank the motor ( hand crank cars only )...The added drivetrain would add a kind of flywheel effect allowing one to really spin the motor. The practice was stopped when I sent a fully restored 26 out the garage...across the street into our neighbor's garage door. Hmmmm.... 36Hp running " T "...Will need to put a 9" in the rear next...Then replace the trans with something stronger..? And the " Hot Rod " was born... :) Take Care... Enjoy your show..!

@FJB8885 9 ай бұрын

Nice HP gain from 13.1 HP to 36 HP with all the upgrade parts on the model T. Very cool. 👍🇺🇸✌️

@keithammleter3824 9 ай бұрын

That's as much an indication that the first motor was sick, as much as it indicates the worth of the upgrade parts. A stock model T engine is rated at 20 HP. Old Henry's data was a bit rubbery, but getting only 13 HP shows something is wrong.

@FJB8885 9 ай бұрын

@@keithammleter3824 Henry's HP rating was from the crank not from the wheels.

@keithammleter3824 9 ай бұрын

@@FJB8885 ; Yes, I understand that - it is the standard way to measure engine power - but you simply don't loose that much in the gears and differential. Modern hypoid differentials have better than 90% mechanical efficiency. The Model T diff had a non-hypoid design, so its efficiency would be better - around 96%. The gearbox used planetary bevel gears so it would be around 98% efficient. If he tested in top gear, that is straight through, so better than 99% efficient. So with 13.1 HP at the wheels, the engine output at the flywheel was only 13.1 divided by 0.95 i.e., 13.9 HP. That is simply WAY too low for an engine rated at 20 hp, and simply way too low for this 2.9 litre / 177 cu in engine even with its low compression ratio and poor breathing design.

@mknm1349 8 ай бұрын

@@keithammleter3824 The plot from 1922 (apparently from 1918 data) shows 12hp/81ft-lbs/20mph @ 800rpm and 20hp/65ft-lbs/40mph @ 1600rpm. The plot also notes 3.63:1 gear ratio and 30x3.5 tires which makes me think the measurements were taken at the wheels. It also suggest this modern dyno test never spun up the engine very far.

@keithammleter3824 8 ай бұрын

@@mknm1349 ; Torque foot-pounds is calculated by multiplying power (in HP) by 5251 and then dividing by RPM. So, for 1600 RPM, 20 x 63025 / 1600 equals 65.6 foot-pounds - close enough to the specified 65 foot-pounds. So the specified power and torque output was at the engine flywheel as has long been standard practice for car engines. You can check this with a number of online calculators. If torque was defined to be that at the road wheels, it would be about (allowing for transmission losses) 20 x 0.9 x 5251 x 3.63 / 1600, i.e., 214 foot -pounds. Tyre diameter does not affect power or torque. The road wheels could not be turning at 1600 RPM as that would mean the car going at over 140 miles per hour. But 1600 dived by 3.63 equals 40 MPH which is what a T was capable of. It isn't clear from the video but it appears he slowly increased throttle until the dyno indicated power falling off, then slowly throttled down, which is the normal way to do it. It was probably running on only three cylinders when throttled up.

@markwalters8884 9 ай бұрын

Never seen anyone that knows so much about so many different types of engines. It's always interesting to see what you will be working on next!!

@JRD77VET 9 ай бұрын

Congrats on your mention in Road and Track ( online edition). I was looking at my feed on my phone and came across it. Well done Mr Merlin

@theburtseoni 9 ай бұрын

Wow, what great dyno results! You built a monster Merlin! In fact you can name that little T 'Merlin's Monster'!

@HANKTHEDANKEST 7 ай бұрын

I've never seen a lifting eye stuck in a spark plug hole for engine hoist interface, but there it is--I guess that's how they did it back then, isn't it? Gave me the willies watching it, but that's just a lifetime of goofing around with newer stuff with aluminum heads talking, I suppose. That's probably what the shop manuals specified back then: "Take a No. 2 lifting eye and stab the bugger into the No. 3 spark plug hole"

@kimetherington2252 9 ай бұрын

Merlin, I'm looking forward to what comes next, as your collection grows with the model A's and Ts! You've got our attention to the blurred out secret thats been in your garage for awhile now! Any chance of letting us know anytime soon? Your content never disappoints. It's always been a pleasure to see what come next! Till then, see you soon.😊

@kenmurray4232 9 ай бұрын

Very nice improvement on HP's. 1915 technology with some modern parts & ingenuity for a good build. It's not leaking oil, it's sweating horsepower. Merry Christmas to you & yours from me & mine.

@badcatt-the-cougar-guy-7219 9 ай бұрын

That's impressive. Tripled the horses. Quadrupled the fun!

@randalltufts3321 9 ай бұрын

Love it merlin! Tripled the horsepower on the rig. What an improvement. Great job . Happy holidays to you all.

@TheOldaz1 9 ай бұрын

Thanks Merlin, that's a huge percentage increase, now you have a drivable car. Merry Christmas.

@rememberthis8795 9 ай бұрын

I suspect some ‘Merlin Foolery’ when the camera ‘froze’ (wink, wink)… the frozen frame and the look on Brian’s face says it all. “Wow me with the Model T wizardry there Magical Mythical Merlin!” I love the collection sir… and the content. Many Blessings!

@jeffclark2725 9 ай бұрын

These Model T cars look like a lot of fun, great video thumbs up

@scotta.8009 9 ай бұрын

Fun to see the power improvements! And Merry Christmas to you and yours!

@wi.dave3812 9 ай бұрын

The model T what an amazing simple vehicle compared to today’s machinery, both doing the same exact task of transporting our butts from point A to point B thanks Merlin, for sharing these experiences with us

@georgecornwall3133 9 ай бұрын

Way to go Merlin, just saw an article in Road and Track. Streaming.....go man go!!

@paulcooper9135 9 ай бұрын

Awesome! Merry Christmas! Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦

@bryduhbikeguy 9 ай бұрын

Thanks Brian for testing it,and McKay for being the auto-starter when needed too. Merry Christmas to all, and a Happy New Year !

@edwardoneail1537 9 ай бұрын

Really enjoy your old school style,explaining as you work is an added bonus.Thank you and Merry Christmas to you and yours.I have a brother in Apache Junction,told him about your you tube.

@rustybinkley9697 9 ай бұрын

Those old Ford's are awesome. Merry Christmas and happy holidays

@hart64ghs 8 ай бұрын

That's a beautiful Model T! 36.5HP!! Great job Merlin. The early Scouts had about 4.5 turns lock to lock making them much easier to steer than early Jeeps, quick course corrections made you look like you were sending semaphore signals!

@lorenmeyer5290 9 ай бұрын

Enjoyed watching and listening to you Merlin! The Model T runs great! Merry Christmas y'all!

@larrydavidson3402 9 ай бұрын

What a fun video this was on the Model T. 36.5 is a good number for it. Merry Christmas and A Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!

@guypehaim1080 9 ай бұрын

I read somewhere that the model T held the record for acceleration for the first 10 feet of travel from a dead stop until the 427 Cobra came along.🙂

@tomstulc9143 8 ай бұрын

Funny. I heard the model T held the world auto speed record until the first Chevy was manufactured .

@candle86 8 ай бұрын

@@tomstulc9143 Nah, Chevy still has yet to beat a T in acceleration, heck they have issues with 5yr old girls on bikes

@tomstulc9143 8 ай бұрын

@@candle86 lol reminds me back in the time when the new pollution economy economy Chryslers of the eighties came out. Police complained they couldn't catch a fat man on a bicycle in them. It was quite a let down from the sixties and seventies huge 440 magnum New Yorkers. Ford 390 police interceptors era. Our small town had a Pontiac Bonnevile with a HO 455. My Brother bought it and it's still sitting out at our family farm. Those were the days. I had a 68 GTO HO 400. Cars were fast chrome was thick and girls had big bumpers.

@trwilkins 9 ай бұрын

I really enjoy the Model T videos. So much fun - and great work! I have worked on my late Grandfather’s Model T. Home-made belt - no joke, when I started working on the Model T, it had a Gentleman’s belt (jeans belt) that was laced together. I tried to save it, but it was too dry rotted.

@joesphbest3120 9 ай бұрын

My Favorite old car guy who can fix about anything old. It's really interesting watching you. Thanks for taking the time.

@inlangford 9 ай бұрын

You're living the life Merlin!

@michaeltablet8577 9 ай бұрын

Well done! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you all!

@bthall7 9 ай бұрын

Nice upgrade to 36.5 hp and wishing you a very merry Christmas.

@danpatterson6937 9 ай бұрын

This made me happy! Nice work.

@MerlinsOldSchoolGarage 9 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@mrromantimothy 9 ай бұрын

I'm kind of busy right now but when Merlin drops a video 8 minutes ago I'm going to Drop what I'm doing and watch it, because I can..

@Scrambler49 9 ай бұрын

Was the change to the Aluminum pistons the cause of the torque loss? Interesting almost 3 X’s the HP. Very cool!

@tt600pch 9 ай бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. In my mind the heavy pistons would compare to the flywheel on old farm machinery. The HP gain was a surprise to me as well.

@garyjohnson6640 9 ай бұрын

Always fun stuff. Merry Christmas to you and the family.

@Don6939 9 ай бұрын

Wishing you and your family Merry Christmas and a very prosperous New Year fro Oregon. We love all of your videos.

@cecilandrews7479 8 ай бұрын

This has to be the coolest video and the funniest at the same time. That old T look good.

@mikebuckley5740 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to you, Marilyn and family

@niclasb8607 9 ай бұрын

This has to be the coolest Dyno video on KZbin 😊 thank you for uploading best regards from Sweden 😊

@RadioMan666 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas, Merlin, to you, your family and your gang! 👍👍

@dennismoon3870 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to MOSG!!!

@Rizzmonkey2023 8 ай бұрын

Every year me and my family used to go to lake Havasu AZ for winter break and meet up with my relatives

@davekreitzer4358 8 ай бұрын

Hell , don't need no brakes , put a chute on the back ! 😎😁

@shawncox9611 9 ай бұрын

i didn't know they had motors back then i thought they had engines learn something new every day 😂

@birddog435 9 ай бұрын

This has been a fun little series. This is like watching the og hot rods!!! Being 37 I never got to see the originals until now, so thanks for this opportunity. Merry Christmas to all!!!

@PlainStraightShooter 9 ай бұрын

Amazing work. Merry Christmas 🎄

@radioguy1620 9 ай бұрын

I was most impressed with the stock torque numbers. not sure if I'd change it.

@georgevindo 9 ай бұрын

Its amazing what you manage to do with engines. You are a very talented man. Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year to you and all your friends.

@599miata 8 ай бұрын

Great job Merlin. Happy New Year!. From New Brunswick, Canada.

@AdventuringwiththeS.G.O.C.C 9 ай бұрын

Brother you put together and do some of the very coolest stuff on the web. Every episode is a treat. In fact I would even say that I like your channel as much as I like our channel. LOL. TY

@taurota1554 9 ай бұрын

Awesome as always.Thanks for sharing and taking us along

@davecarley329 9 ай бұрын

Love what you do brother. Happy holidays

@kerryrouse9039 9 ай бұрын

Mery Christmas guys. You entertain us more than you know.

@michaelcarpenter557 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas. I always learn something new on your channel. Thank you for the great content.

@chrismcclelland2145 9 ай бұрын

Wow! Triple the hp. Excellent video. Merry Christmas to the Merlin family!

@davemc9150 8 ай бұрын

Thought the first dyno run was 12.9 HP AND 89.1 ft/lbs of T ya finished with over a 2.5 time the horsepower. That would put a big smile like the one on yours on almost anybodies face. Glad to see you are having fun. great video’s.

@donaldbuttke8076 9 ай бұрын

To Merlin and family Merry Christmas and Happy New Year great show from Skip

@reneprovencher8395 9 ай бұрын

Love that lil MidelT. Wishing you and yours a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄!

@wesgraham9588 9 ай бұрын

👍😉Marry Christmas 🎄

@charlieLund-v4r 9 ай бұрын

Just came across your channel. I have watched many Model A and T videos, but don`t know why I haven`t come across yours before. Watched the first T dyno, then the 2nd one with the new engine. Quite an improvement in HP. You make it all seem so easy and simple. Merry Christmas from my Wife and I to you and your family. It`s all because of Jesus, our Lord and savior. Charlie

@letzrockitrite8469 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to you too MOSG crew !

@RIPGLIDE 9 ай бұрын

Good stuff! Merry Christmas!

@jamest.5001 9 ай бұрын

Turbo it! A rear mount turbo. With a little intercooler hidden underneath. It should make 60 hp easily. Possibly 70hp. Just tune thr turbo to make boost higher in the rev range. To be easy on that tiny crank.maybe 5psi about 1800rpm. Definitely wouldn't push it further, without aftermarket crank and rods. Maybe 10 psi with a counterweighted crank.

@allanyotty4556 9 ай бұрын

So fun to see the T on the dyno. Merry Christmas.

@nitroprime9714 9 ай бұрын

love your old cars, great video.

@rightwingmanscott 9 ай бұрын

That was a fun series. That T is pretty sweet.

@carlstephens-tm7zj 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas MOSG Crew

@bobtucker8875 9 ай бұрын

As always I enjoyed the content, very interesting 🤔. Thanks 👍 for sharing,an Happy Holidays 🎄.

@garychaiken808 9 ай бұрын

Great job guys. Merry Christmas 🎁🎄. Thank you 😊

@ManieVerster 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to you all and blessings as well.🎉🎉

@timlee4204 8 ай бұрын

We can add power to the GO department but what about the WOAH department? What have you done to the brakes? They used to say that in an emergency just jamb both feet on all 3 pedals. The standard optional extra for the "T" was a foot ruler, one side was marked in gallons to check how much fuel was in the tank, the other side marked in inches so you could work out how far you have traveled. Ted from down under.

@markrobertson9015 9 ай бұрын

That's way cool almost 3 times more HP. for a 108 year old girl. That's a nice Christmas present. Happy Holidays to you and your family. Thank you.

@1lilfarm 9 ай бұрын

Coolest dyno run ever! Merry Christmas to you and yours!!! 🎄🎄🎄

@gforcesg 9 ай бұрын

so cool , Merry Christmas -- from northern Nova Scotia

@jasoncondie6261 8 ай бұрын

Sir, can you do a video on your personal vehicle collection. I see something new in the background almost every video. Maybe a little history on each vehicle? Thanks Love the show!

@smoknarrow 9 ай бұрын

Thanks Merlin, maybe one day put a 4bt in a model T or an A.

@craigsouthern5089 9 ай бұрын

As always Merlin, thanks for taking us subscribers along for the ride. You just waved the magic 🪄,presto,changeo. Love the channel. Keep up the great work. I really think there is not anything that you could get running and drive.👍✌️😎😁🍀🍀🍀🍀🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲 Merry Christmas to all of you guys too.

@ashlynntaylor6045 9 ай бұрын

Awesome video. Really very interesting . Merry Christmas Merlin.

@jerryb1234 9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the followup video Merlin, you never disappoint,😉👍, and thanks for sharing.

@OpieDogie 9 ай бұрын

Next time I’m in Havasu, I’ll have to keep an eye out for this old T so I can get the heck out the way!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

@mikerhodeback9636 9 ай бұрын

I was told by my father ( a life long Ford mechanic) when you cold start an old model T you jack up the right rear tire . The planetary drive creates a drag I believe.

@donlum9128 9 ай бұрын

You need to get some Rocky Mountain Brakes and a Rucksteel rear end for that Bad Boy.

@drewtan5493 8 ай бұрын

Bloody Awesome I just wish I could have been there in person I love rebuilding early cars keeping exterior appearance original but internal upgrades for power which in the end actually means better economy the the older engines Cheers guys

@jimmiebrown5014 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas to you and your family and a Happy New Year

@pgg0024 9 ай бұрын

That is a major jump in power. Wow

@marvincarter870 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Merlin and Family! Good video!

@stephenpoe2037 9 ай бұрын

Fun Video for sure !

@woodsontr 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas!🎄 Thanks for the video!

@chrisjarvis4449 9 ай бұрын

i love that statement that it has a cam in it ! ya most 4 cycles do !

@henryg683 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas Merlin and thanks for sharing your amazing content with us all year long!!!!

@stevenlatham4397 9 ай бұрын

It’s crazy how you tripled the horsepower, but halved the torque. Still, absolutely fantastic video.

@stevea6722 9 ай бұрын

Great video of a cool old car. Merry Christmas Merlin, Desiree, and the rest of the family!

@steven.h0629 9 ай бұрын

Merry Christmas back attcha 👍😎✊

@davidp4350 9 ай бұрын

My uncle had restored about 20 model T's one piece at a time, my dad did two, I had started one at age 18 but was more interested in chasing girls, my other uncle ended up with the one I started, and he used to always wrap his thumbs around the crank handle, one time it kicked back and shattered his hand and his wrist which never healed because he was very sick with cancer. So I noticed you wrapped your thumb around the crank handle also, just something that might save you you a lot of pain if you keep in mind not to do that. I still have me model t book too, which has the engine years based on the serial number, if you don't already know the year of your block.

@NYCS19339 8 ай бұрын

Yes, open hand cranking is very important

@charlesalden9167 9 ай бұрын

Best way to start my morning made me a egg & ham McDusty sandwich & watching MOSG . Engine swap in his flying model T . Merlin any faster you'll have to put wings on it funny part is when you bring us along I feel like singing CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG. 😂😂

@WA7ALUT 9 ай бұрын

Wishing the Johnson's yep all of you a very Merry Christmas and a Fabulous New Year in fabrication and building with Vlogging. Thank you for sharing your talents with all of us. MERLIN.