King Tiger Defence February 1945 (Flames of War Battle Report)

[@christopherhughes6961]

I'd love to see more Flames of War games here. Very excited for some Epic scale stuff too!

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

More FoW this week.

[@aaronsomerville2124]

Great battle, and a great table as always! Both forces are quite brittle but that especially matters for the attacker, and especially since the AT disparity was so significant. The fortunes of war!

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

I think the US army will have a complete re-design before they fight this late game again.

[@jeromekammerer4733]

This kind of situation is called in french " du tir au canard" (shooting at ducks) which mean shooting mercilessly at something without any retaliation possible. I never thought of a Sherman as a duck until here.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

It was a very tough game for the US, I think the sight of all those heavies messed with his head a bit.

[@GreenMantis27]

"I also have a JAGDTIGER (uhuhuh~) so he is on the table but ~wHo KnOwS wHer~" - Kaiser

[@Airwolf515]

1st Panzer IV tank that got hit from a "long range" sherman rolled a 5 for armor save. This would tie the 76mm Sherman's AT 12. You forgot to add +1 to Panzer IV's front armor (FA) for being at long range. Therefore, at best, the Sherman can only bail the German tank with a successful firepower test.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Ah well, its not like the game was not going the Germans way... we definitely make mistakes from time to time.

[@91zaap]

I wouldn't have the patience to play this, but really enjoyed seeing you guys play. Remind me of the good old days of close combat IV and V.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Most kind. Those were great games by the way.

[@Mortikar]

@@ModellingforAdvantage Yes. I still own mine.

[@nicholaswimborne]

Great game thanks. A laser to check line of sight. Brilliant! My next purchase.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

You wont regret it.

[@Gamerswithcoffee]

Watching afterwards. I always enjoy your table set up

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Too kind sir, thank you.

[@ericcraig7800]

I must say this is 2 very interesting army’s and quite a mission… great game guys

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Those big cats are a real challenge.

[@Apocalypse31]

"The armor's too thick!"

[@stephenhunt2806]

Good playthrough. It would good to see this played again using Battlegroup's Fall of the Reich rules.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

It is a system I am curious about - it is on a very long list of games we want to play.

[@stephenhunt2806]

@@ModellingforAdvantage I have read that they are more "granular" than FoW, which I would agree with. I would still like to watch a game in progress.

[@smoothbrush4722]

Omg 2 kings of kings tigers. Love fow battle reports. More pls. 🙏

[@axanax2534]

Catch you in the re-run!

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

See you then!

[@klasclaywood2667]

I love the Kaiser's style

[@rodento3220]

Awesome glad to see the fight continues! Unless I am mistaken the "Cross here" means you move the leader then roll and see if they come with him, so the leader Sherman would have been out front alone. Not that it mattered in this game. Great report as always!

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

SO I think that might be how it worked in V3, but I am willing to be corrected.

[@rodento3220]

@@ModellingforAdvantage You good sir, are correct. I had "Cross here" confused with "Follow me".

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

@@rodento3220 thanks for the info.

[@ODST6262]

105 Sherman are artillery but were used as tanks. In addition they should have smoke which is used on German heavies to force them to move or to block the Germans fields of Fire. A very tough defense. The US infantry did nothing whereas they could have infiltrated towards an objective or blocked the Panthers so the Sherman platoon on the right flank could have come in on the left. A very strangely fought game.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

We don't play the game enough to have a solid grasp - so our games might look quite amateurish to experienced players.

[@ODST6262]

@@ModellingforAdvantage Ah. OK. I have been playing since 1962 so your game did look a bit amateurish. However, the video is well done and you move along quickly. Another 50 years and you, too, will be experienced. I will definitely follow along for several of your videos.

[@jeffbosworth8116]

I was blessed to visit Normandy last spring - ain't no way anybody is seeing through three hedgerows. I understand this is Germany not France - so perhaps those aren't true hedgerows - but still

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

The French ones in Normandy are uncommonly huge.

[@RoyalTiger13]

When the Jagdtiger fired in Germany turn 1 the hit has to go on a “live” tank before one that’s bailed out.

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

At 16:13, unless I am mistaken, the two Pz IVs that were hit but not destroyed should have been bailed out. Pz IV front armour 11 vs AT 12 and you rolled 3 x 5s. If your tank is penetrated by the round your opponent rolls his Firepower to destroy OR bail you out, not just destroy or no effect. If you had rolled 6s, equalling the Sherman AT of 12, only then would the Firepower test be to bail or nothing.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Yep, overlooked that - we definitely make mistakes sometimes.

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

@@ModellingforAdvantage Great video though and good to see you doing FOW Battle reports, your unboxings are the best. That US force needs a re-think though, they never stood a chance against the Germans without TDs, Jumbos and / or Easy 8s and LOTS of smoke LOL. We’ve had great success using the L4 Grasshopper spotter too of late. With no air being taken the Germans didn’t need to invest in AA either, two Thunderbolts turning up could have easily ruined their day. Always a risk of the points being wasted if they don’t turn up but we normally roll average and get the air 50% of the time.

[@ericcraig7800]

Love that building trio with the walled courtyard… who makes it??? Looks like the roofs are removable

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Some guy on eBay in the UK makes them. I search for 15mm mdf buildings a few years back and boom - there it was.

[@Subcomandante73]

Great looking table and minis. Not sure how the US would ever win with that list. I think that omitting air power from allied when playing this era of the war makes it all a bit academic.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

I think it was all a bit of a shock, I normally play with infantry, PzIV and some guns. These magnificent cats are new to my opponents!

[@paulparker5456]

Loved this game guys

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Glad to be of service. You can see the Panzerwaffe in action again ion Friday; had a game with James's Soviets with the same German force.

[@PanzerManBran]

Cracking battle report as always Kaiser! It’s so weird seeing so many German units in an army! 😂

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Yeah it is a great list to build a force from. You did not get to see it much in that report, but it is really brittle - that last tank in a unit will never stand on a 5+, and you would be mad to try and blitz or anything like that.

[@PanzerManBran]

I would have thought mikes 105s would have been part of the formation too? With my Berlin german I’m risking it with the very brittle Berlin battle group running 1 unit of SS, 1 unit of volksturm and a unit of Hitler youth. With a sprinkle of armour of course

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

@@PanzerManBran Will be interesting to hear how you get on with that. I worry So much infantry really slows a game down, but if it is all aggressive they will be a lot less rugged I guess.

[@PanzerManBran]

@@ModellingforAdvantage Yeah it’s a risky formation, I’ll probably just dig the infantry in on objectives and buildings with the fausts. I predominantly play SS or fallschirmjagers with Germans and I don’t believe there’s any SS formations in the book

[@robertstrong6798]

I’m wondering what the kill ratio was per Tiger to Sherman or T34 must have been scary 😟

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Oh, for certain.

[@spamuraigranatabru1149]

Statistically from people whom do archive dives like 'Military History Visualized' and 'The_Chieftain', at least for Shermans it was not very high, with towed guns, mines and infantry weapons being the much larger ratio for the surprisingly small casualties the US armoured forces suffered. Shermans just didn't perform anyway near bad, dispite popular depictions, as war turned out to be far more complicated then just "it looks like a tiger II should easily do lots of damage" For T-34s, I dunno.

[@militarywargaming7840]

A good set

[@Billa2720]

Nice game!

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Thank you.

[@roberts.lamborn7461]

I liked your video, Can you please post the army lists please as I would like to replay this mission with your armies. Cheers ad Thank You.

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

We talk through the list in the first few minutes of the video.

[@roberts.lamborn7461]

@@ModellingforAdvantage What is the Book that Wooly Mike is using? The US infantry explaination was skipped over, What is the Infantry platoon that Wooly Mike is using please?

[@Mindauxx]

Great game! Is that 4x4' board?

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Yeah, it helps keep most games a bit shorter and more suitable for KZbin viewing in terms of game length.

[@ruiyue8347]

没有发烟机，美军的火炮或者飞机支援完全没有，同时篱笆阻止的美军猪突德国人脆弱的侧面，步兵也没有任何有效的行动，这几乎是德国人最理想的状态---锁住路口，挨个点名。

[@RELIKLAKS]

Я так и не понял у кого лутше ландшафт, шерманы можно было бы побольше двигать

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

I think he was out of practice.

[@militarywargaming7840]

A good set

[@ModellingforAdvantage]

Thanks.

[@militarywargaming7840]

@@ModellingforAdvantage look forward to chatting soon.