Modern Betaflight Tuning for Smooth Stick Feel

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[@peculiarcloud]

Skitzo was like "do you like your rolls buttery?" Kevin didnt get that at all :)

[@mdh2006]

I heard that too. lol

[@rl2769]

Lol. It went right over his head. 👍

[@TeamBlackSheepFPV]

awesome! that is what I needed. changing pids hasnt done much for me lately

[@stingersswarm]

I can't remember the last time I really got into tuning pids.

[@JoeStanFPV]

Same. Only touch pids if theres a weird bobble or something

[@AdrianoCasemiro]

This video is pure gold. Thanks for the advice. Stay safe and strong.

[@short-circuitz]

Kevin, this was one of the best, if not the best, betaflight stick feel tutorial on youtube hands down. Nailed it man! loved it. your analogies and process of visual explanation settled any lingering questions and thoughts i was entangled with. Thanks again and these type of videos are much needed in the FPV community. Keep'em coming STINGY!

[@malo6748]

I couldnt even damn hover as a new pilot when i started...almost quitted because i didnt made any progress and couldnt even make it past gate 2 on any simulator after 50h+ then i saw ur videos and u use lots of expo. Tried that too. Now i can fly and even do some basic tricks. Thank you so fricking much. You saved the hobby for me

[@goaway4702]

Your description was perfect for me. It clarified things better than some others for me.

[@SinisterFPV]

Awesome explanation on info other than pids. Thanks for transferring all the technical jargon to laymans!

[@5hort5ubject]

Thumbs up for exposing your pids and thinkering around. That was basically what I was looking for! Thanks!

[@StephFPV]

Please keep doing this type of videos, even if I don't fly Betaflight, watching the process and seeing how you present all this information in a concise and understandable way is extremely enlightening. Keep doing you, Stingy!

[@CaptainMavic]

Awesome Kevin! Very informative and much appreciated. Keep em coming. 👍👍

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

Good old educational Stingy-video. Love it!♥️

[@flyerelite5153]

I just also wanted to say thank you for supplying all the information that you and your friends do with rotor Riot and all that are not with rotor riot. You guys give me a lot of inspiration to fly and build and I'm doing just that. Just as all say this is one of the most amazing feelings and liberating to fly and rewarding to build and understanding to crash and blow up. LOL haha

[@johngraboski]

"That's the problem with all these numbers. They don't make any sense." LOL

[@Joe_137]

That was awesome, you did a fantastic job with your explanations and showing the results that we could actually see in your flights. New sub here, looking forward to more content like this.

[@haasfpv1222]

I really appreciate this video, thank you, this really helped bring some filter functions to light for me, fly on brother!

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying, dude!!! And thanks for the tips! 😃

[@fulcrum2638]

great vid Stingy. this is exactly what i was looking for.This is a helpfull vid. something different to pids. A+.

[@RCnerd74]

Another masterclass from Kevin :o) Thanks for sharing.

[@scottopsahl3205]

Great info. I like your experimental approach.

[@AirScottyfpv]

“You like your rolls buttery?” Stingy: *Answers question seriously with and educated response*

[@peterclarke5323]

John had me laughing so much during that part.

[@cheshirerc]

Kudos for getting this out so quick dude. Nice one.

[@CoreyFPV]

Another very informative addition Stingy. Like this one. 👍

[@kmitchel46725]

I Term Rotation and Absolute Control are mutually exclusive. Recently it was discovered the AC was broken, and after a fix was applied a number of pilots have had wobble issues. It is most likely that AC will be disabled by default for 4.0, as well as I term Rotation. Absolute control will supersede I term Rotation When issues are resolved. Smart Feed Forward should not be used, and will be removed. Smart FF uses the larger of P or F, so it requires significantly higher F (300 - 400) since it's using just F, not F + P. F is setpoint delta--change in stick movement / change in time--multiplied by a scaler and then added to the pidsum. It can be thought of as stick acceleration, the quicker you move the sticks the more F is applied.

[@RobertLeclercq]

This right here. AC broken turn it off!

[@Gs3xRfun]

AC must still be broken on whatever hex he is on. With BF3.5.x, wobble central at the end of maneuvers in my experience when you have absolute control on together with iterm_rotation.

[@ugpfpv361]

This kind of stuff is exactly why I just use the traditional rate expo and super... Really wish they would let us control the expo break point.

[@sketchpv3080]

AC seems to have a default value of 10 in BF 4.0 RC. Perhaps I should reduce that to 0 as my micros are having weird yaw twitches when I pump the throttle mid turn. I can fly around it, but the twitch is very pronounced and annoying.

[@kmitchel46725]

@@sketchpv3080 The default has been changed in RC 5. Also there was a glitch discovered that would reset the lowpass filters to pt1 instead of biquads...might dblcheck your filtering.

[@RADERFPV]

Less than 15, but I'm on minute 23 :D Loving every minute of it, this is great information. Thank you.

[@werlandeshae7188]

There was a lot of good videos for Betaflight from 3.0 to 3.5 That's what I need for version 4.0 Thanks a lot!

[@rebelquadronfpv1065]

When teaching tuning, best to start with extreme values one value at a time. Nice vid Stingy!

[@SlayTech]

Awesome video. Perfect length and juicy content 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@BlueHornetFPV]

Great easy listening information, thanks buddy... 🔥👊

[@kydawg1684]

Excellent Stingy. Very helpful. Thanks Bro.

[@satanuk]

Great informative video dude. Will be trying this for sure.

[@Crownleyian]

Awesome stuff Stingy, Your content has is 🔥!

[@sTayWVy]

Very informative. Thanks man!

[@rsharney1111]

Drifter at heart. Your original tuning video is why I supported Rotor Riot.

[@661FPV]

Great info stingy! Thank you!

[@shesmellow]

...Your salt n pepper looks good old friend! Love seeing you do what you love :)

[@burgerlord1297]

always good info sir. Thanks, just copped one of your tees as well B)

[@AMGINE1000]

great video very helpful, im lone wolf in the hobby and learning daily so thank you

[@Felix-fz3vr]

Awesome video! Very helpful!

[@richmiller540]

Great video, really useful. Thanks man. 👍

[@propsoff]

I have been waiting for nice weather so I can tune my new build... Just about there.. I appreciate the information! Thanks.. ScooterPie,

[@greengenez2512]

Really appreciate this. Thanks

[@du4-fpv777]

That means Stingy want to send a poor bro a betaflight bag! Lol I'm definitely wanting to see what you test. I can't seam to find a bag that fits my needs... Thanks for all your videos and I just told someone today to use your old tuning video but now this one is gonna be the right one to help people!

[@TomSmithFPV]

Great Video!

[@JoeStanFPV]

Awesome man, great info. This stuff is tough to explain and u did a great job. +15 brownie points. Lol

[@MrRckjms83]

Hell yea man..awesome stuff brother

[@Lucas-yw1zj]

damn, i have watched this video like 20 times, its really well done. Great job ! Weird side effect is, that i now know every single one of Johns comments and Kevins response :D help!!!

[@IvoLaubscher]

thanks stingy, just the right thing for me👍🏽

[@dcdk1525]

Thanks 4 showing some of BetaFlights secrets mate

[@MaxBeamer]

thanks for making this video I really enjoy seeing other peoples perspective on some of this stuff I bumped up my transition just now and it’s what I’ve been missing haha I had thought the feeling I was getting was from P gain now I can go back to normal P values again! 🤗 ALSO in tighter quarters like bando flying Youll really feel the effects of high feed forward more makes it “hard” to navigate smoothly bc it will kick in harder since your moving the sticks past your transition point for those sharp turns!

[@postalbyke]

first! But seriously, I love this content! Bardwell explains what it does, but you're showing how to determine if it's the right change for an individual pilot. Love watching your process vids as well as your flight/vlog vids. Keep it up! Hero of the day!

[@stingersswarm]

Nailed it!!

[@chrisharrisseacaptainchris]

Thank you bud.peace.

[@thebeardfpv162]

I was on FL1, and popped an esc... couldn't fine one (and I was fairly broke), so I bought a $45 Mamba stack... was sort of nervous to go back to Betaflight...but I slapped it in my Nova frame, pipped in your PID settings from this video and I am astounded. Locked in, but still fluid. I hope these PIDs work on more of my builds (or close versions of them!) You sir get 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@ueigerchaves5726]

Nice specs brow. Always good videos!

[@mlit83]

hahahaha that clumsy crash in the end XD

[@topcatgc1]

Great info Stingy, been flying the same settings for ages, might push a button or two👍

[@Gamaliel84]

Sweet this will help me a lot !

[@airshipfpv5972]

Thanks Kevin! This really helped me, I was missing the ITerm rotation part and had my FF at 1..putting it at .3 really made a difference! Emily says hi btw :)

[@stingersswarm]

Tell her Stinky says hi too lol

[@airshipfpv5972]

lol, man do you ever get to Columbia? We would love to rip with ya!

[@KushFPV]

Love from Kush. 🧀

[@fpvdroneguy3654]

Nice Video Mr keep it Up 🙌😎⚡️ Greetings from Germany 👊

[@bencornett7821]

Ha,You guys found one of by better spots. Cool to see similar lines.

[@ugpfpv361]

WOW... Glad I just use the regular rate, super rate and expo!

[@kenneths7984]

Thanks! Really good explanations. Just what we mere mortals need. Really looking forward to get rid of this snow so I can kick off the season. Not that I haven't been flying during winter, but the thought of landing in the snow really puts you into sissy mode 😆

[@Z1l3nz3]

coat it?

[@kenneths7984]

It is coated, but still no guarantees 😉

[@arnerrvik7586]

Thanks!

[@SamMaghsoodloo]

Explaining tuning on KZbin is kinda like when people try and explain the taste of wine

[@yawfpv8030]

Sam Maghsoodloo mmmm don’t think so bro! This helps me a lot don’t think I’ll get the same with a wine tasting tutorial

[@mrbmw6366]

Thank you for this video bruh im still new to this and still confused about some of this tuning stuff

[@olegunter7885]

Omg thanksss you helped me a loot 😎 Thanksssss 🚁

Nice bro

[@DangerDavefpv]

Thanks stingy u have awesomely help me

[@Nick-xe2hu]

Kevin I gotta say, I never ever messed around with these settings. Stock Pids and junk felt normal. But your vid inspired and I took a methodical approach to tweaking the feed forward and now its the best damn quad I've ever flown. Its like the FC and my brain are in sync. Like its predicting what I'm gonna do. Kinda bat shit crazy the effect it had. Relaxing the I-Term too much are too much Absolute Control made it fly like loose diarrhea. lol. A brush of wind was tossing it everywhere.

[@fpvdronekim7873]

GOOD FPV video best 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@magneto_fpv4156]

That's where I fly!

[@HaraldLabout]

Thanks for this great video, good info. Did you use RPM filtering????

[@staticfpv881]

I think you got a video out on this B4 Bardwell KZbin has been needing a more modern tune video .

[@djilly75]

yeah he did. bardwell just had a new baby. hes a bit overwhelmed

[@AlexAnd3885]

OMG, RapidFire bench!

[@ohmyqwad8705]

This guy needs to be the wherewolf from Thriller for Halloween 🎃

[@SweetThangFPV]

Enjoyed the video, definitely helpful! Interestingly enough, we are almost on the same rates (.85/.80/0.0 at 850*) for Freestyle. I didn't know you had such a low RC rate. I fly (.80/.70/0.0 at 533*) for Racing.

[@friederek]

In 46 seconds. Allready like it😉

[@ArtimusPrime]

DAAAAMN NICE VID BROTHA!!! You guys are at my old park!!!

[@stingersswarm]

It's a sweet spot.

[@ArtimusPrime]

@@stingersswarm yeah its pretty good spot.... good thing is its usually empty unless someone is taking pictures..

[@smokeoutfpv4132]

I like my stuff locked, proves the value of personal preference

[@j.finesseflights1403]

Thank you for explaining ff! I have the same rates as you and I noticed that when i get into a tight spot it always seemed like my kwad was over reacting to my stick inputs? I'm now gonna raise my ff😉!!

[@fpvclub7256]

0:57 - Quad crash .. ? -- Nice vid!. As a newb this is very helpful!.

[@mdh2006]

Hey thanks for thee help. Very interested in trying some of this when I get my new R349 up in the air.

[@deezyysdronereviewsanddeal4982]

Awwwwwww Snap , loose women, and loose quads..... tha players life... lol great vid guys

[@angelofaraday5280]

His damn beard is so on point!

[@Dirtnap300]

this spot is so epic.. you are def ripping it and i think i might have actually learned something?

[@LordGryllwotth]

You are like me last year. I didn't have any flight controller with OSD, so I had a 4min timer with a 2min reserve. Crusing. But that is some slow counting your Frsky gives you.

[@HutchFPV]

I really hope that when the RPM filter is in release you will do a tuning video like back in the day. They say it is setup for racing more than freestyle

[@nedyalkopetkov]

I just watched 7 commercials on your video !!!

[@davidlisowski9174]

please turn your edit songs by like 25% :) I always have to turn it down or if its night I have to quickly exit the video lol. Just a little heads up. Keep it up love the vids

[@fcass]

Same. Have to dive for the remote so I don't wake up the house.

[@ugpfpv361]

Yes, so many vloggers spend all this time on color grading, effects, 'b' roll, transitions and music selection that they are too tired or forget about (or don't really know how) polishing the audio and levels.

[@mdh2006]

Ya man check your audio levels dude....lol

[@Stambo59]

Yup, I agree, the boss might hear it while I am watching at work.

[@evanwilliams4351]

Doug (aka Botgrinder) is the best at that, normal audio to level 5000 death metal!!! ☠️🤙😂

[@slipperysebastian]

Brain fpv ftw!!

[@WKfpv]

Nice one Kevin! I have a flight one quad that sucks. Can you make a video on setting up and tuning F1?

[@hateeternalmaver]

I was really hoping you'd touch on the filters a little. I have it flying fine feel-wise but I always struggle with oscillations and vibrations. Great insights anyway, thanks Stingi!

[@stingersswarm]

I want to make a whole separate video on layman’s approach to filters.

[@hateeternalmaver]

@@stingersswarm Yes! great, looking forward to that. I do check my logs in Blackbox explorer but with all the changes to filters I don't see s*** anymore... ,D

[@danieldimitri6133]

Imho if you're not using Blackbox notch data to tune filters you're not tuning filters. With today's motors you can have a feedback loop from motor output. I also have a plastic frame that I discovered has a 375hz resonance, when I swapped in a fc with 32k gyro and tried it in betaflight it revealed a problem I didn't know I had and it wasn't motor noise related. I had a constant 375hz noise that showed up in the d term. I applied a notch at 375 but it was still there then d term notch.. Dynamic filter did nothing for this so I turned it off and just run another notch around 200hz for motor noise... Big difference but couldn't have done it without Blackbox.

[@jjj25313]

@@stingersswarm please do soon Stingy!!

[@ScottFegette]

Suuuuper handy rundown Stingy, thanks! PID tweaking just hasn't been as significant to me in the last few BF releases (tho I really haven't kept current with the newer changes in 3.5+ either).

[@slipperysebastian]

“Cave man explains pids”

[@ramboaripratama1992]

shit that lens is awesome!

[@d3c0deFPV]

Good info Stingy. 4.0 feels pretty good on defaults but I'm trying to get it just a bit smoother for my freestyle rigs

[@djilly75]

crank them D's up lol Motors wont get hot so easy with the D min

[@kaasovic]

someday I hope to ascend to the level of Wizard Master and actually have a working knowledge of these things. For now, I just encounter terms and ideas and think about what could be....

[@evanwilliams4351]

Great vid, have you progressed on this at all, would be great to see a follow-up vid!

[@BigDFPV]

Excellent info, thanks! Where did you get that tool holder? I like it.

[@BigDFPV]

Found it, GRID-IT. Zoomed in on the tag lol

[@fpfree8821]

Right out of the bat? Wha?

[@KrissKwaddFPV]

This is perfect timing mate. I've always flown kiss for freestyle & just recently built up a Reverb using a betaflight F4 & blheli32 bits I had just sitting around doing nothing. Flew it & well was just very very different than my kiss V2 Aliens in a non enjoyable way, felt kinda heavy & sluggish. Will go through this & these settings on it! Could Stingy be the one to fully convert me to betaflight with his settings? Time will tell haha! Cheers man 👌