Modern Betaflight Tuning for Smooth Stick Feel

[@peculiarcloud]

Skitzo was like "do you like your rolls buttery?" Kevin didnt get that at all :)

[@mdh2006]

I heard that too. lol

[@rl2769]

Lol. It went right over his head. 👍

[@TeamBlackSheepFPV]

awesome! that is what I needed. changing pids hasnt done much for me lately

[@stingersswarm]

I can't remember the last time I really got into tuning pids.

[@JoeStanFPV]

Same. Only touch pids if theres a weird bobble or something

[@AdrianoCasemiro]

This video is pure gold. Thanks for the advice. Stay safe and strong.

[@malo6748]

I couldnt even damn hover as a new pilot when i started...almost quitted because i didnt made any progress and couldnt even make it past gate 2 on any simulator after 50h+ then i saw ur videos and u use lots of expo. Tried that too. Now i can fly and even do some basic tricks. Thank you so fricking much. You saved the hobby for me

[@kmitchel46725]

I Term Rotation and Absolute Control are mutually exclusive. Recently it was discovered the AC was broken, and after a fix was applied a number of pilots have had wobble issues. It is most likely that AC will be disabled by default for 4.0, as well as I term Rotation. Absolute control will supersede I term Rotation When issues are resolved. Smart Feed Forward should not be used, and will be removed. Smart FF uses the larger of P or F, so it requires significantly higher F (300 - 400) since it's using just F, not F + P. F is setpoint delta--change in stick movement / change in time--multiplied by a scaler and then added to the pidsum. It can be thought of as stick acceleration, the quicker you move the sticks the more F is applied.

[@RobertLeclercq]

This right here. AC broken turn it off!

[@Gs3xRfun]

AC must still be broken on whatever hex he is on. With BF3.5.x, wobble central at the end of maneuvers in my experience when you have absolute control on together with iterm_rotation.

[@ugpfpv361]

This kind of stuff is exactly why I just use the traditional rate expo and super... Really wish they would let us control the expo break point.

[@sketchpv3080]

AC seems to have a default value of 10 in BF 4.0 RC. Perhaps I should reduce that to 0 as my micros are having weird yaw twitches when I pump the throttle mid turn. I can fly around it, but the twitch is very pronounced and annoying.

[@kmitchel46725]

@@sketchpv3080 The default has been changed in RC 5. Also there was a glitch discovered that would reset the lowpass filters to pt1 instead of biquads...might dblcheck your filtering.

[@short-circuitz]

Kevin, this was one of the best, if not the best, betaflight stick feel tutorial on youtube hands down. Nailed it man! loved it. your analogies and process of visual explanation settled any lingering questions and thoughts i was entangled with. Thanks again and these type of videos are much needed in the FPV community. Keep'em coming STINGY!

[@5hort5ubject]

Thumbs up for exposing your pids and thinkering around. That was basically what I was looking for! Thanks!

[@StephFPV]

Please keep doing this type of videos, even if I don't fly Betaflight, watching the process and seeing how you present all this information in a concise and understandable way is extremely enlightening. Keep doing you, Stingy!

[@goaway4702]

Your description was perfect for me. It clarified things better than some others for me.

[@flyerelite5153]

I just also wanted to say thank you for supplying all the information that you and your friends do with rotor Riot and all that are not with rotor riot. You guys give me a lot of inspiration to fly and build and I'm doing just that. Just as all say this is one of the most amazing feelings and liberating to fly and rewarding to build and understanding to crash and blow up. LOL haha

[@RADERFPV]

Less than 15, but I'm on minute 23 :D Loving every minute of it, this is great information. Thank you.

[@SinisterFPV]

Awesome explanation on info other than pids. Thanks for transferring all the technical jargon to laymans!

[@rsharney1111]

Drifter at heart. Your original tuning video is why I supported Rotor Riot.

[@rawpicsfpv3516]

Good old educational Stingy-video. Love it!♥️

[@AirScottyfpv]

“You like your rolls buttery?” Stingy: *Answers question seriously with and educated response*

[@peterclarke5323]

John had me laughing so much during that part.

[@hateeternalmaver]

I was really hoping you'd touch on the filters a little. I have it flying fine feel-wise but I always struggle with oscillations and vibrations. Great insights anyway, thanks Stingi!

[@stingersswarm]

I want to make a whole separate video on layman’s approach to filters.

[@hateeternalmaver]

@@stingersswarm Yes! great, looking forward to that. I do check my logs in Blackbox explorer but with all the changes to filters I don't see s*** anymore... ,D

[@danieldimitri6133]

Imho if you're not using Blackbox notch data to tune filters you're not tuning filters. With today's motors you can have a feedback loop from motor output. I also have a plastic frame that I discovered has a 375hz resonance, when I swapped in a fc with 32k gyro and tried it in betaflight it revealed a problem I didn't know I had and it wasn't motor noise related. I had a constant 375hz noise that showed up in the d term. I applied a notch at 375 but it was still there then d term notch.. Dynamic filter did nothing for this so I turned it off and just run another notch around 200hz for motor noise... Big difference but couldn't have done it without Blackbox.

[@jjj25313]

@@stingersswarm please do soon Stingy!!

[@johngraboski]

"That's the problem with all these numbers. They don't make any sense." LOL

[@werlandeshae7188]

There was a lot of good videos for Betaflight from 3.0 to 3.5 That's what I need for version 4.0 Thanks a lot!

[@ummagawdFPV]

Dammit, I need to update to 4.0 now

[@thoraht]

u will hate it first -XD

[@jessefpv9217]

Don't do it bro. Stick to 3.5.7

[@staticfpv881]

I think you got a video out on this B4 Bardwell KZbin has been needing a more modern tune video .

[@djilly75]

yeah he did. bardwell just had a new baby. hes a bit overwhelmed

[@thebeardfpv162]

I was on FL1, and popped an esc... couldn't fine one (and I was fairly broke), so I bought a $45 Mamba stack... was sort of nervous to go back to Betaflight...but I slapped it in my Nova frame, pipped in your PID settings from this video and I am astounded. Locked in, but still fluid. I hope these PIDs work on more of my builds (or close versions of them!) You sir get 🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

[@scottopsahl3205]

Great info. I like your experimental approach.

[@shesmellow]

...Your salt n pepper looks good old friend! Love seeing you do what you love :)

[@postalbyke]

first! But seriously, I love this content! Bardwell explains what it does, but you're showing how to determine if it's the right change for an individual pilot. Love watching your process vids as well as your flight/vlog vids. Keep it up! Hero of the day!

[@stingersswarm]

Nailed it!!

[@rebelquadronfpv1065]

When teaching tuning, best to start with extreme values one value at a time. Nice vid Stingy!

[@Joe_137]

That was awesome, you did a fantastic job with your explanations and showing the results that we could actually see in your flights. New sub here, looking forward to more content like this.

[@smokeoutfpv4132]

I like my stuff locked, proves the value of personal preference

[@airshipfpv5972]

Thanks Kevin! This really helped me, I was missing the ITerm rotation part and had my FF at 1..putting it at .3 really made a difference! Emily says hi btw :)

[@stingersswarm]

Tell her Stinky says hi too lol

[@airshipfpv5972]

lol, man do you ever get to Columbia? We would love to rip with ya!

[@cheshirerc]

Kudos for getting this out so quick dude. Nice one.

[@Lucas-yw1zj]

damn, i have watched this video like 20 times, its really well done. Great job ! Weird side effect is, that i now know every single one of Johns comments and Kevins response :D help!!!

[@davidlisowski9174]

please turn your edit songs by like 25% :) I always have to turn it down or if its night I have to quickly exit the video lol. Just a little heads up. Keep it up love the vids

[@fcass]

Same. Have to dive for the remote so I don't wake up the house.

[@ugpfpv361]

Yes, so many vloggers spend all this time on color grading, effects, 'b' roll, transitions and music selection that they are too tired or forget about (or don't really know how) polishing the audio and levels.

[@mdh2006]

Ya man check your audio levels dude....lol

[@Stambo59]

Yup, I agree, the boss might hear it while I am watching at work.

[@evanwilliams4351]

Doug (aka Botgrinder) is the best at that, normal audio to level 5000 death metal!!! ☠️🤙😂

[@RCnerd74]

Another masterclass from Kevin :o) Thanks for sharing.

[@du4-fpv777]

That means Stingy want to send a poor bro a betaflight bag! Lol I'm definitely wanting to see what you test. I can't seam to find a bag that fits my needs... Thanks for all your videos and I just told someone today to use your old tuning video but now this one is gonna be the right one to help people!

[@Nick-xe2hu]

Kevin I gotta say, I never ever messed around with these settings. Stock Pids and junk felt normal. But your vid inspired and I took a methodical approach to tweaking the feed forward and now its the best damn quad I've ever flown. Its like the FC and my brain are in sync. Like its predicting what I'm gonna do. Kinda bat shit crazy the effect it had. Relaxing the I-Term too much are too much Absolute Control made it fly like loose diarrhea. lol. A brush of wind was tossing it everywhere.

[@chrisharrisseacaptainchris]

Thank you bud.peace.

[@MCsCreations]

Fantastic flying, dude!!! And thanks for the tips! 😃

[@bencornett7821]

Ha,You guys found one of by better spots. Cool to see similar lines.

[@CaptainMavic]

Awesome Kevin! Very informative and much appreciated. Keep em coming. 👍👍

[@ohmyqwad8705]

This guy needs to be the wherewolf from Thriller for Halloween 🎃

[@CoreyFPV]

Another very informative addition Stingy. Like this one. 👍

[@ugpfpv361]

WOW... Glad I just use the regular rate, super rate and expo!

[@dcdk1525]

Thanks 4 showing some of BetaFlights secrets mate

[@propsoff]

I have been waiting for nice weather so I can tune my new build... Just about there.. I appreciate the information! Thanks.. ScooterPie,

[@SamMaghsoodloo]

Explaining tuning on KZbin is kinda like when people try and explain the taste of wine

[@yawfpv8030]

Sam Maghsoodloo mmmm don’t think so bro! This helps me a lot don’t think I’ll get the same with a wine tasting tutorial

[@SlayTech]

Awesome video. Perfect length and juicy content 🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@rolandburrows4859]

Sir, do you use the same rates for your micros/whoops? As you and I have the same expo, I have been following your tuning work closely......had to fly this set up today and it was beautiful. Thanks so much......

[@HutchFPV]

I really hope that when the RPM filter is in release you will do a tuning video like back in the day. They say it is setup for racing more than freestyle

[@mlit83]

hahahaha that clumsy crash in the end XD

[@661FPV]

Great info stingy! Thank you!

[@danieldimitri6133]

@stingerswarm try thrust linear in cli mode. I run about 0.55. Thrust is squared with rpm this makes the pid loop act differently with different relative motor output values. Usually tpa is used to help but it's far from mathematically correct. Zero out tpa and set thrust linear. Speed controls with current based throttle would also do the same thing but since I'm the only one who thought that's a good idea it doesn't actually exist... So till then thrust linear ftw

[@BlueHornetFPV]

Great easy listening information, thanks buddy... 🔥👊

[@kaasovic]

someday I hope to ascend to the level of Wizard Master and actually have a working knowledge of these things. For now, I just encounter terms and ideas and think about what could be....

[@AlexAnd3885]

OMG, RapidFire bench!

[@Felix-fz3vr]

Awesome video! Very helpful!

[@AMGINE1000]

great video very helpful, im lone wolf in the hobby and learning daily so thank you

[@KushFPV]

Love from Kush. 🧀

[@ueigerchaves5726]

Nice specs brow. Always good videos!

[@greengenez2512]

Really appreciate this. Thanks

[@haasfpv1222]

I really appreciate this video, thank you, this really helped bring some filter functions to light for me, fly on brother!

[@MrRckjms83]

Hell yea man..awesome stuff brother

[@TomSmithFPV]

Great Video!

[@richmiller540]

Great video, really useful. Thanks man. 👍

[@LordGryllwotth]

You are like me last year. I didn't have any flight controller with OSD, so I had a 4min timer with a 2min reserve. Crusing. But that is some slow counting your Frsky gives you.

[@magneto_fpv4156]

That's where I fly!

[@satanuk]

Great informative video dude. Will be trying this for sure.

[@sTayWVy]

Very informative. Thanks man!

[@jlolment]

"If my quad oscillates, usually I just swap out the motors" fuckin savage

[@stingersswarm]

For reals though. Or deal with jank footage for a while.

[@d3c0deFPV]

Good info Stingy. 4.0 feels pretty good on defaults but I'm trying to get it just a bit smoother for my freestyle rigs

[@djilly75]

crank them D's up lol Motors wont get hot so easy with the D min

[@MIKEMIKEwolf]

Shoutout To Jon in the back making all the NOISE lol

[@SweetThangMedia]

Enjoyed the video, definitely helpful! Interestingly enough, we are almost on the same rates (.85/.80/0.0 at 850*) for Freestyle. I didn't know you had such a low RC rate. I fly (.80/.70/0.0 at 533*) for Racing.

[@kenneths7984]

Thanks! Really good explanations. Just what we mere mortals need. Really looking forward to get rid of this snow so I can kick off the season. Not that I haven't been flying during winter, but the thought of landing in the snow really puts you into sissy mode 😆

[@Z1l3nz3]

coat it?

[@kenneths7984]

It is coated, but still no guarantees 😉

[@djilly75]

Derivative minimum is sooooooo awesome. i can crank them D's way up if i want without my motors getting hot

[@deezyysdronereviewsanddeal4982]

Awwwwwww Snap , loose women, and loose quads..... tha players life... lol great vid guys

[@kydawg1684]

Excellent Stingy. Very helpful. Thanks Bro.

[@friederek]

In 46 seconds. Allready like it😉

[@MaxBeamer]

thanks for making this video I really enjoy seeing other peoples perspective on some of this stuff I bumped up my transition just now and it’s what I’ve been missing haha I had thought the feeling I was getting was from P gain now I can go back to normal P values again! 🤗 ALSO in tighter quarters like bando flying Youll really feel the effects of high feed forward more makes it “hard” to navigate smoothly bc it will kick in harder since your moving the sticks past your transition point for those sharp turns!

[@fulcrum2638]

great vid Stingy. this is exactly what i was looking for.This is a helpfull vid. something different to pids. A+.

[@OffsetFPV]

hey Kevin, can you tell me what headphones you've got there wrapped around your neck, looks like they have magnets to hold them together and they are bluetooth? would appreciate it if you could tell me. thanks for your time, Joel

[@OffsetFPV]

Stingerswam never mind I found it in your write up.

[@nedyalkopetkov]

I just watched 7 commercials on your video !!!

[@DangerDavefpv]

Thanks stingy u have awesomely help me

[@fallofshadows2209]

So I haven't flown in well over a year, and everything is different now. So I should totally update and retune my quad without touching pids? I updated, but I had some horrible bounce back at the end of rolls and flips.

[@checkeredflagfilms]

I've a particular 5" quad where the sticks feel "twitchy"...over-sensitive...I feel that any ever so slight stick movement results in dart-like movement. What can I do in Betaflight to smooth out the results of the stick input?

[@fuzzwad5049]

If you like how fast it flips at full stick, then either just add expo OR reduce your rate and add super rate until you end up with the same maximum degrees/sec. You probably want more of a curve in your rates.

[@ArtimusPrime]

DAAAAMN NICE VID BROTHA!!! You guys are at my old park!!!

[@stingersswarm]

It's a sweet spot.

[@ArtimusPrime]

@@stingersswarm yeah its pretty good spot.... good thing is its usually empty unless someone is taking pictures..

[@IvoLaubscher]

thanks stingy, just the right thing for me👍🏽

[@fpvdronekim7873]

GOOD FPV video best 😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@mdh2006]

Hey thanks for thee help. Very interested in trying some of this when I get my new R349 up in the air.

[@Gamaliel84]

Sweet this will help me a lot !

[@slipperysebastian]

Brain fpv ftw!!

[@evanwilliams4351]

Great vid, have you progressed on this at all, would be great to see a follow-up vid!

[@ScottFegette]

Suuuuper handy rundown Stingy, thanks! PID tweaking just hasn't been as significant to me in the last few BF releases (tho I really haven't kept current with the newer changes in 3.5+ either).

[@angelofaraday5280]

His damn beard is so on point!

[@arnerrvik7586]

Thanks!

[@WKfpv]

Nice one Kevin! I have a flight one quad that sucks. Can you make a video on setting up and tuning F1?

[@topcatgc1]

Great info Stingy, been flying the same settings for ages, might push a button or two👍

[@fpvkevlar8101]

Great video

[@primitivefpv6660]

Dude what microphone was recording the flight footage?!!? With headphones it sounds insane

[@Brazonthefly]

A new Stingy tuning vid....woohoo, still use the stingy PID tuning video

[@j.finesseflights1403]

Thank you for explaining ff! I have the same rates as you and I noticed that when i get into a tight spot it always seemed like my kwad was over reacting to my stick inputs? I'm now gonna raise my ff😉!!

[@slipperysebastian]

“Cave man explains pids”

[@Lomiler]

he is talking about to use the " Feed Forward transition" at 1.0 , right?

[@fpvclub7256]

0:57 - Quad crash .. ? -- Nice vid!. As a newb this is very helpful!.