These Actual Rates are Actually Butter: Finding the Right Actual Rates For You

[@MrSteeleFPV]

This man got them rates that make rates with they were rates

[@CiSCOKidFPV]

The rate man of rates hooking up the rates. Got it ✅😆

[@WindjumbieFPV]

😆

[@dominickeen6091]

Mud rates 😅

[@boo7948]

i rate that 7/10

[@snattack7834]

Mr Steele, I am a teenage fpv activist, if you find my other comment on this vid and respond to it, my life would feel complete lol

[@PhantomFPV]

Super crispy!!! Loved it man. We need to go hit that joint again! Saw some new lines in this video!🔥🔥🦄🦄🦄🦄

[@Joeyzoom]

I’ve been flying 5” freestyle for about 2 months now and haven’t figured out the right rates yet. By far you have some of the best advice for trial and error on rates and I appreciate it greatly.

[@RebelGoatFPV]

Our avatar photos are frighteningly similar, lol

[@Joeyzoom]

@@RebelGoatFPV great minds 🤘

[@RebelGoatFPV]

@@Joeyzoom Indeed :D

[@snattack7834]

Thanks for the very clear explanation!

[@imager09tube]

Thank you very much! Excellent Drone FPV rates Class!

[@shotgun2063]

I have been using actual rates since they came out, LOVE IT!!

[@stickboyfpv4742]

AWESOME! Thanks for this video! Niccce ripping!

[@PMcDFPV]

Well I would tell you what Im running, but after learning what I did here...... Ummm Ill get back to you :) thanks for the amazing info!

[@David__]

Thanks for giving us an updated video & sharing your process behind this Kevin :)

[@RichMoore-tweakin7376]

I remember your first video on rates.. At first I was like this guy is a madman, now I love it. A much prefer actual rates now. I've always appreciated your work. Still loving your frames too

[@South-Texas-Drones_5801]

Crazy good flying at the end wow 😮 🙌🏽🙌🏽

[@jeanlucvassort6411]

Super interesting, Thanks !!! and what a pilot !!!

[@fabiansesartic4886]

Best vid for rates i have seen to date thank you so much❤

[@Nine_883]

Good tips man. I really appreciate this kind of content.

[@MorningsideMotors]

Dude! I just used these as a baseline in liftoff and tweaked it from there. I’m still new and I just got like 10% better no lie. Will try these on the quad tomorrow! Thanks so much! -also your newest subscriber

[@stingersswarm]

Thanks I’m glad it helped.

[@jayrkrishnan]

Hi mate, can i use this rates on my 6s 5'inch build ?? i'm new on fpv and bit nervous about frying stuffs :(

[@MorningsideMotors]

@@jayrkrishnan if I remember correctly these are more of how your quad reacts to stick input rather than pid tuning which if done wrong could fry your quad. Rates only adjust how fast or how much the quad moves based on your stick position.

[@jayrkrishnan]

@@MorningsideMotors Thanks for your reply mate. I have not done any PID tunings yet. Running stock only. Well I wish to try the rates mentioned in this video.😊

[@MorningsideMotors]

@@jayrkrishnan I ran different rates in a computer sim first before real life testing, just a suggestion if you have the ability to do so! It will get you closer to what you’ll like in real life

[@CantFly_FPV]

I'm still faIrly new and trying rates out but lately, the last 3 or 4 quads I've built I've set up the same rates that I think are CLOSE to where I'll end up. These give me the most speed while maintaining control. I did 3 different "tests" to help me come up with these numbers. First I determined center sensitivity and I determined that by cruising at a decent speed and maintaining control and being able to stay on track of a "flowy line" without going to full deflection. Then to determine max I hovered 3-4ft off the ground and wanted to be able to chop throttle and flip or roll in any direction and stop on time to raise the throttle to return to hover without too much correction or bouncing off the ground. As for Expo, I went with a scientific approach where 3 is my lucky number and liked the first expo I set/tried and dammit I can use all the luck I can get! All in all, it turned out to be a comfortable transition for my style. Sorry for the long post that probably runs longer than the vid but you asked for my rates man! I may try and even out pitch and yaw with roll but for some reason I like the different max like this. I fly "Actual" rates and here they are: Center Max Expo Roll 90 980 0.33 Pitch 90 880 0.33 Yaw 90 780 0.03 Thanks for all the amazing vids you post. I really enjoy your style of videos and you're one helluva pilot!

[@GIGAODKLEJKA]

cool story bro

[@wallbanger8389]

I didn't understand center stick sensitivity until this video. Mine was set to 200, which might be why my flying seems a little twitchy, even when just cruising around. I'm going to give these rates a shot and see how they work. I can't wait to get out and test them. Thanks for the video

[@wallbanger8389]

Update on Stingy's rates ... they're fucking awesome!!! Thank you so much.

[@k1ortia]

Iv been flying for over 5 years, and never done pid tuning or rates. It's actually easier to learn Thermal dynamics or Nuclear fusion..but I do appreciate this video. 😉👊🏾

[@BigCodyFPV]

LMFAOOO Nuclear Physics is truly simpler that PID Tuning

[@k1ortia]

@@BigCodyFPV Honestly brother..

[@k1ortia]

@@BigCodyFPV To be honest, iv never really got stuck into tuning or pids as such. I just enjoy building a craft. Chucking beta flight or inav on it and flying. But I'll definitely give it my full attention one day. Or maybe when iv finished splitting atoms...😂

[@BigCodyFPV]

@@k1ortia never even tried to tune my pids lol dont plan on it until something forces me then ill learn. lol

[@k1ortia]

@@BigCodyFPV Same here. I just build, flash and fly. Obviously tuning does bring out the best in a craft. But i just flying and can wait to get in the air and stay there.

[@Kamila_q]

Great video!

[@morwellfpv3334]

Thank's Stingy !..I followed your ACTUAL rates tutorial and it gave me a much beter understanding and locked the quad in ...had to modyfiy them just a litle bit because im a "hybrid" pincher and the expo was a little to much but I'm about wrere i wanted it to be maybe even turn down center stick sensityvity a bit anyways its a great tutorial bro!.. helped a bunch! Thanks a lot ! 🔥

[@RebelGoatFPV]

Great way to dial actual rates, thanks. I was flying 80, 720, 0.37 for freestyle, playing back my videos it seems I'm still doing more corrections than I thought. I'm going to try your method, but first I'll try your rates 👍

[@DavidOwensuk]

Great video Stingy! Best explanation video of actual rates yet!

[@nikevx]

I always feel like im flying pretty good. And then I watch this guy!

[@captain-22]

I use to shy from high expo(elbow rates phobia), u really opened up my eyes

[@bluecrx90]

Perfect smoothy Two Thumbs

[@CozziFPV]

dude im so happy you made a new one i got alot from the one you made years ago thx brothaaaa

[@amen_ra6926]

Interesting way of determining center stick rates. I've been using Actual Rates for a while. I would have never thought to keep the rates linear to figure out the center sensitivity then add the max rate later. Then adjust the expo to how early or late in the curve you want to increase the movement. Every time I go out, I evaluate if I need to make any tweaks. It's the low end I still adjust so I can move between trees without making huge shifts.

[@71druss]

New to pid tuning, great explanation learned a lot from ur vid thanks for posting…

[@flannyfpv]

That last run was fire! 🔥🍻

[@FlyZoneFpv]

Great explanation Sting. This helped brother 👊🏻👊🏻

[@chrisatkin2302]

Awsome as always 👌

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

Flew 4 packs in front yard yesterday. First packs flown in aggression in like a year. Kinda like riding a bike but I can see where I could change the tune a bit.

[@zoltanmeszaros8001]

Finally someone has realized it :) I fly them for 2 years in actual and no one believed me its better.

[@birdman316]

i watched this again! verry informative as well! isnt it past time for you and the cricket to resume the game of KWAD?? i miss that alot!

[@creaturefpv]

Tidwell set me up with actual rates on one of my quads but im still running beta flight on my other. And there not set to match. I'm still trying to figure out which one I like better. I'm hoping one day I'll get a chance to rip a few packs with you and or phantom. Fingers crossed. I have gotten to fly with bot grinder and Steele a little while back which was cool af . But I've always been drawn to your style of piloting.

[@dihler55]

Actual ratesa are great. However i fly them at 10 center 880 max and 0.3 expo. that gives it a very nice curve imo

[@TomicaCZ]

If you don't fly LOS at all (like for me only for hand-catch) then I see no point in doing that test before FPV test... If the rates are way off to my liking then I still will be able somewhat manage to bring my quad back safely in FPV, rather then LOS where I feel is more risk. Other than that, great video. Thanks Stingy!

[@henrischomacker6097]

The question about how much expo is always a thing in discussions with my FPV friends. And imho the screenshot at 1:10 of your rates settings could say very much, but unfortunately looses a lot of ability of showing your general concept of setting up expo. When I first setup a new quad, I take a first flight and adjust my desired rotations per second. This may be a bit different on every quad because of geometry or size. To ensure I then always have the same feeling of expo, I resize the "Rates Preview" curve so that is has the shape of a square. If it has the size of a square I can visually compare the shape of the curve with the shapes of curves of other setups and can directly get a pretty presize picture of how the expo of this setup will feel. Just by taking a look at the curve. If the curve iamge is stretched in any way, it get's really difficult to assume the feel of the expo curve, expessially if you want to imagine how much expo you will feel at a given gas point. OK, it's also possible to get an impression about the expo curve if all grafics of curves have differnt scales, but it's much easier to get a direct feeling about the expo behavier if they are all in the same scale. Imho. the size relation x/y should absolutely be fixed for this graph in Betaflight, so you may change it's size, but not it's size relations. In your next videos, if you show this curve, could you please ensure you have it scaled up like a square? I would really thank you very much. BTW: Great video ;-)

[@AbdulAleemShekhani]

I really enjoyed hanging out with you Stingy, will go give this actual rates business a try :] Thanks for being you, God bless brother.

[@Reset_Robot]

Thx a lot 🙏

[@prOkrEAt]

So I haven't flown in about 3-4 years now. Recently got a DJI HD setup and built some new 5"/6" quads. So BF changed how rates are now? I'm guessing I just need to use that calculator to figure new settings like my old ones? I think I was at 1183 with 0.73 expo. But I do plan on adjusting them more tighter to my flying now and take a bit more seriously in setting them.

[@GS-je9db]

The miata 😻

[@YarivGilad]

Hi! Great video, Thanks! Q: How do you change your rates out in the field? Did you have a laptop with you or are you able to change those in RM TX16S RC?

[@stingersswarm]

I don’t remember what I did this day but yes laptop, speedy bee and phone, osd, lua script, telepathy, osmosis, you know.

[@Barks_Bridge_Dog_Training]

400 Centre 1000 Max 27 Expo. I like it snappy as fook :)

[@paulr3556]

Hiya, have been flying with stock betaflight rates for years, built many quads and wanted to keep the same for all. Felt like a change, bit more snappy-ness. So used your rates on all my quads, yet to test fly. All except yaw, lowered to 600 RPS. That's only difference. Will let you know how I go.

[@kuliahtransportasi]

thanks, man

[@biggfpv2721]

Watching this video just reminded me when i was learning to fly way back then i used your rates ... Still flying them today i never played with rates i learned yours and now thats all i use

[@stingersswarm]

That is awesome. Lol now you have new actual rates to try.

[@vedasticks]

interesting, my rates are quite different degrees is same, 900 but i settled o 90 cenntre ad 0.15 expo. gonna try slightly more centre and more expo. i love my cruising around feel but do find that sometimes more agressive corrections ca sometimes get jerky

[@georgeaura]

Man you subject separation from your camera lens is crazy nice almost like you are in front of a green screen and a blurred background was put in.

[@stingersswarm]

Haha!! Thanks. I spend way too much on camera gear.

[@pirateradioFPV]

60/900/0.62 all axis . . I decided it's better to have a ton of center than rc smoothing to avoid latency. Took me forever to come from ~120 center to down here.

[@TheBrianCloud]

Where do you put all your gear in your Honda fit? Mine takes up my backseat, but was looking for a better solution without everything bumbling around in the trunk.

[@stingersswarm]

My car is basically an explosion of drone things. I keep it everywhere. Currently I have cameras and prop tools in my cup holders, speedybee batteries and cables in the passenger seat, and props everywhere.

[@FlightClubFPV]

Do you use different rates for different kinds of flying?

[@unstoppable6047]

Oh bro you need to add visuals with this.

[@motomac8392]

do you get low battery warnings in the osd every time you punch out on the throttle. im new to fpv and running the 03 air unit on a 5 inch rotor riot build skyliner mk3. t-motor f7 hd 55esc.

[@stingersswarm]

That is typical on some setups.

[@chrismagallanes8858]

So I have a caddxfpv camera will any fat shark fpv googles work?

[@Jagged-RotorsFPV]

Hi, do you use any expo on your radio mixers? Cause it will multiply your actual rates when combined with FC rates, right?

[@stingersswarm]

Don’t use any expo in the radio. Let the fc software handle it.

[@Jagged-RotorsFPV]

@@stingersswarm thanks for the advise.👍

[@GUILLERMO.NESPOlO]

Kevinnnn!!!!

[@djleighl]

Hi, What module and radio link were you using in the radio?

[@Photonees]

how did it detach so easy with that light tap?

[@enrico320i]

Nice Video, also use Actual Rates 10 670 0.01 on all Axis feels Nice and not much delayd🤟.

[@coilockerfpv]

"It's all just gee whiz number stuff" 😂

[@megiMove]

Actual rates 150 560 11 I have tried more expo.. but having alot of expo feels like ur flying the sticks and drone under water. So super slow and not responsive.. hard to change directions fast.. damn respect for people that can ride with those expo. The quad feels dead with expo 🙈

[@rp479]

We need a dji action 2 camera settings video!! Thank you

[@stingersswarm]

Oh man. I'm not a fan of that image quality. I just run 4k 30 widest angle flat color profile (Cinelike i think they call it) and on bright days I under expose by .3 or .6

[@rp479]

@@stingersswarmwait I’m confused. You don’t like it? Aren’t you using the action 2 as your main freestyle camera now?

[@stingersswarm]

@@rp479 not anymore. It doesn’t have good dynamic range. It always crushes the shadows and blows out the highlights. I’m using the hero 11 mini primarily. I do love the action 2 for durability and weight. But the image quality always annoyed me.

[@rp479]

@@stingersswarm cool. Thank you so much for this info

[@PolDee187]

Center sens is also deg/s ?

[@noisy_boi_fpv_3920]

After matching actual rate to bf rates so they feel the same do you see any advantages or is it now just the same feel as bf man. As always great vid man

[@TotallyNotNuclear]

High quality vigeo as always, Stingy! These arent actual rates but Kiss rates because thats exclusively what I fly. 2.11 2.11 1.65

[@tk-maker]

immediately switch to "Actual Rates" and follow your video.

[@blakeshermer2963]

camera angle?

[@MSR.]

I’m flying stock old Betaflight rates still 😆🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@GardoRotor]

Well I learned something.... never knew center literally meant what your rates are at when the stick is centered... I'm at 30 900 60. (750 for yaw) whoops and cine are max rate of 720 all axis

[@CallistoFPV]

I like, (220 680 .54) for every size drone.

[@NOT_ANOTHER_FPV]

You might find it funny but I've played about 400 hours worth of Liftoff the last year and a half...so when I want to change my rates depending on my mood, then I'll just play around with them on there until I like it....more or less feels the same in real life with my 5 incher. I just stole Mr. Steele's rates and made them a bit twitchier this time around.

[@ControllFpv]

Stingerswarm, ive got a mail from you that i won something. Did not know that we could win a dji 3 pro🤷‍♂️. Ive just bought a dji mini 3 pro last week. So maby you can give it to some 1 who needs it more then me! Thanks alot! Grz C

[@stingersswarm]

Thanks for being so kind. Unfortunately someone was pretending to be me and trying to scam people. I’ve pretty much got it under control now but there wasn’t a giveaway. I appreciate your understanding.

[@ControllFpv]

@@stingersswarm ohhh damnn i understand. Good luck!

[@PkwyDrive13]

Why exactly change if it is just the exact equivalent of the betaflight rates? If it's literally the exact same, what's the point? It's kind of like switching from all pink s3 props to all green s3 props 😂 I understand the video topic though of course to help us understand them better!

[@stingersswarm]

Because when people want to try my rates (which happens) I don’t want them to end up on antiquated settings that are tricky to modify. If they try my settings and like it but want it slightly different it is much more logical to tweak actual rates.

[@DriftaholiC]

200/800/0 is what I've run for the past year.

[@eyesupdroneservices]

Thanks for this; I loved your last video about rates and it helped my flying; then I got away from fpv for a long time. I'm starting back into it (really loving the cinewhoop oneshots and I want to learn that process!), so I'm back watching videos. :-) Questions: what camera angle are you running here? If you lower the camera angle for slow indoor cinematic flights, should you change rates as well? If so, what rates would you change? Thanks!

[@sunsetpark_fpv]

Great vid man. So many sweet freestyle moves throughout - I don't know how you stopped and hit reverse so perfectly at the end - I thought for sure you were going through that glass 😎

[@DanoFPV]

When your drone turns and rolls slower than a brick at 100 100 lol.

[@dustyjoe]

Very similar to yours. 135,900, .70

[@ah4quadssake885]

I run actual on 150 centre,667 rate and .80 expo. Its the stupid propwash that gets me

[@mfrfpv9079]

nice im at 70 x 900 x .2

[@platty9237]

I started by collecting a bunch of pilot rates to get a feel for where those lie. Eventually I found a set of them I liked. Occasionally I check rates of pilot styles I like on KZbin. I’ll try those rates, and if they feel too twitchy, I’ll calculate a midpoint between the two. At the moment they’re 1.4, .66, .21. (Yaw at 1.2), which is about 825dps. I’ll have to try it by feel sometime.

[@RCRitterFPV]

yike 1100.. 670 here... actual 70, 670, .55

[@swiftfoxx_FPV]

I fly stock pids never touch them

[@Typaradox_FPV]

When you said “stinger drone” I thought about how the police could use drones this agile to help with shooter situations. Non lethal flash bang, lethal if needed. With everything going on lately, may be a decent defensive measure and employ more drone pilots. Imagine getting swarmed by three drones like that. AI locks on if they don’t surrender. Situation diffused with out endangering more lives. I feel like this is totally doable

[@jefffpv2759]

70/670 or 70/800

[@xymaryai8283]

i really prefer the very simple curve of Raceflight rates in Betaflight, i use 720 max, and varying amounts of exponential, no Acro+. all the other configurations use some strange busted idea of what an "exponential" curve is. a true exponential curve is one that has a straight line derivitave. none of the other configs do that, which i think the logic behind it is most pilots prefer a steeper curve.

[@xmonstar420x]

Your quad sounds like a 5 year old boy on his first rollercoaster.. 'whoaaa whoa whoa ehoaaaa' 😂🤙

[@ControllFpv]

Iff you want real liniear why using superrate? Just put it on 0. My rates are 145/0/0.05 that is liniear!

[@TailSpinRCSpain]

420º/sec linear, LOL.

[@checkeredflagfilms]

most fpv drones today come very well tuned and don't need in depth screwing with as was the case in the past.

[@stingersswarm]

Keep flying

[@nickfrazier8013]

But this isn’t a tuning video?

[@FPVian]

10, 1000, 0. Try ‘em.

[@swiftfoxx_FPV]

I got a message from you too message you on telegram that I won a a DJI mini 3 is this correct

[@stingersswarm]

No it is someone pretending to be me. It’s a scam that is happening all over KZbin right now.

[@Kapharnaum92]

Great video!