Modern Cards That Don't Cut It Anymore!

[@vagabondcaleb8915]

Cryptic Command feels like a dead loved one in my memory.

[@conman-sr5md]

😢

[@amadoromero4823]

I miss Cryptic My beloved

[@Euclides287]

Wow!! That card hadn't crossed my mind in YEARS - shows how much Modern has changed since Modern Horizons 1 was released

[@jayradical953]

It's time for them to print it into standard again! Let it have a day in pioneer.

[@disafear3674]

@@jayradical953 I would love for Pioneer to have some of the slower Modern cards

[@dragunkiller360]

I took a long break from MTG after Origins released and returned recently. I was flabbergasted to see modern had sanded most of the staples I used to both love and hate. Restoration Angel, Kitchen Finks, Celestial Colonnade, Gavony Township, Master of Ethereum, Aven Mindcensor, Qasali Pridemage, Linvala, Tidehollow Sculler, Remand, Siege Rhino, Voice of Resurgence, Scavenging Ooze, Vendillion Clique, Eternal Witness-the list goes on. Even whole decks seem to have vanished. I can’t remember the last time I saw Scapeshift or a Coco deck, let alone Monoblue Tron, Hate Bears/Death & Taxes, Bogles, 8 Rack, Lantern Control, Soul Sisters, Blue Moon, Dredge, and Elves. Not all of these were huge decks, and some of them are probably better off gone, but it’s really strange not seeing half the card base I grew up with obscure to a few Commander decks. The current modern format can really feel oppressive with how difficult it is to avoid certain cards despite a large number of alternatives existing.

[@FaithlessLooter]

You named three of my four decks in that list, of course I'm playing at more casual events though. Still nobody expects 8 Rack and I get quite a few wins from people not knowing how to play against it.

[@dragunkiller360]

@@Greg_Ulmer It’s obvious that modern would change, but the point I’m trying to make is that, specifically after MH and MH2, the format was accelerated artificially to the point that even the strongest staples were rendered mostly irrelevant. The reason I listed so many cards and decks is not to wax sentimental like an old man, but to show how potentially unreasonable it is to have a small pool of MH cards knock out 8 years of meta. Not all of the power creep was caused by MH and MH2 obviously, but it’s a big elephant nowadays.

[@franksmith8298]

​@@FaithlessLooteryou know I haven't played my 8rack deck since Castle Locthwain was printed and that seems like a nice boost. Rack is probably also good against pitch cards. Otoh the thought of Boseiju plus W6, and Lorien Revealed gives me nightmares.

[@fry7486]

People still play scspeshift it's strong

[@Lazris59]

Modern seems to have become legacy.

[@dominicnzl]

I dislike how mtg has evolved in a way that any creature worth playing is basically a sorcery/instant/enchantment with a body while having the same CMC as the sorcery/instant/enchantment that doesn't have a body. When that creature exists it pushes out the other card types.

[@casualhitman]

Having just got into modern after almost 5 years away and played a lot of UB faeries, this is so crushing to watch.

[@nekrataali]

WotC decided they wanted to squeeze Modern players for more money after Modern Masters 2015 and 2017 didn't do as well as Modern Masters 2013. But rather than understanding why those sets didn't do as well (not enough playable commons and uncommons), they decided to just power creep the format.

[@Cephalid432]

I feel you bro

[@Cephalid432]

​@@nekrataali Yes, so true.

[@yaboibanana33]

It's okay man, Wilds of Eldraine will bring Faeries back right?...right?

[@obsidiancrow450]

same here. historic and pioneer are way closer to the power level of when i played. the fact that they reprinted liliana and snapcaster after they got power crept out of the format is so insulting

[@hxcnoel]

The 1 toughness creature thing stings pretty hard for me, since elves and infect were the two decks I invested in when modern was a new format. Rest in power sweet princes

[@ninjanoodle2674]

You should do a video on “Modern Flash in the Pan” cards that were centerpieces of decks that quickly rose in popularity, but fell out of favor almost immediately. Cards like Doran, the Siege Tower, Demigod of Revenge, Deus of Calamity, and Delver of Secrets immediately come to mind. It would make for an interesting history lesson in how the Modern metagame has evolved.

[@KeeperOTG]

Madcap

[@ninjanoodle2674]

@@KeeperOTG Murderous Redcap is perfect card to add to that list. Thanks!

[@KeeperOTG]

@@ninjanoodle2674 I was talking about Madcap Experiment / Platinum Emperium deck

[@ninjanoodle2674]

@@KeeperOTG Ahhhh.... I didn't know that was ever a deck.

[@1986Om3ga]

Nahiri?

[@johnhensen9400]

Look at that! Reid knows my entire (nearly worthless) Magic collection!! I remember when Modern was a non-rotating format and it was amazing to find a few cards from an entire year of standard to add to the format. So be it! Great video!

[@starscreen85]

Well, this is what happens when modern has rotations now. The rotations happen when wotc wants money and prints insanely powerful cards that you have to buy to be competitive. Mh2 was rmodern's 1st rotation.

[@devilbhrothesavage2807]

War of the Spark + MH1 was the beginning of the power creep

[@Tooldruid]

Wrenn and Six and Orcish Bowmasters have done a number on these 1 toughness creatures. Noble Hierarch, Birds, BOB, Snapcaster...it's a sad thing to see.

[@1thaka]

Glistener Elf!

[@marxman6896]

Modern badly needs a ban wave of Bowmasters, Ragavan, and Fury/Grief/Solitude. Those cards combine to make the format super unhealthy.

[@MrDBrown360]

@@marxman6896 I agree on Fury, grief and solitude. Ragavan can be dealt with with removal or hand disruption. Orcish Bowmasters punishes drawing extra cards - an extra card in your hand is more powerful than one damage and a token/plus one counter.

[@marxman6896]

@@MrDBrown360 It's not about the raw power level of Bowmasters, it's how it warps the format around it. X/1 creatures just aren't really playable.

[@MrDBrown360]

@@marxman6896 I agree there. It should have been to target player only. The format did need something powerful to combat card draw, with all the opts, serum visions etc, allowing players to find their combo pieces freely and quickly.

[@thegrumpydeveloper]

This is like a who’s who of fun cards that got nerfed by power creep. Miss most of them, they’ve won me games and I’ve definitely lost to many of them too.

[@Cephalid432]

Nice vid thx 👍 Only missing Cryptic Command. That card was played very much in Modern early days.

[@agelessdisintegrated]

Olivia Voldaren and Hunmaster of the Fells - oh I have been crushing modern with those. Thragtusk, Thought-Knot Seer, Griselbrand, Jace Vryn's Prodigy... Still fiddleing around with the old modern cards, but the get so quickly outvalued by newer cards.

[@ofusowre7620]

Jace Vryn's Prodigy was very expensive. i was never really a fan though. Too exposed.

[@gregpeloquin6345]

Modern Horizons 2 just turned the format on its head. Every incarnation is stupid powerful. Nice job, wizards. Oh wait, that was the intent the entire time? Cool, cool. I remember modern was sold as a non rotating format... while true, it underscores the fact that WotC can inject heat into the format and just turn it upside down.

[@shot040]

hasbro just about went bankrupt so now mtg is the only leg they had to stand on. absolutely ruining the game in the process, but the ceos cashing tf out.

[@marxman6896]

Maybe I'm just old, but Modern has gotten *way* too powerful for my tastes. I think the format started as sort've a revamp of Extended, with a power level somewhere in the middle of Standard and Legacy... these days it feels like Modern is barely 1 step behind Legacy in power level and speed, but the tools to deal with that are nowhere near as potent as in Legacy (Wasteland, Force of Will, Leyline of the Void, Back to Basics, etc.).

[@profanemagic5671]

Yeah, modern is just legacy without duals and powerful hate-cards at this point.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Modern is the replacement of legacy because the Reserved List killed legacy viability.

[@marxman6896]

@@JohnFromAccounting The reserved list isn't law. They could rip it up and say "screw that" any time they wanted... they choose not to.

[@gijoe3211]

This is why I quit modern mostly. Try pioneer, it reminds me of modern from a decade ago

[@dylanwelch91]

Yeah I'd say pioneer is the new modern; you get to play w/ older cards + archetypes, and no cards get printed directly into the format

[@ryan91297]

The entire R/G Eldrazi archetype has been pushed out in recent years. Brutal to cast your turn 2 Thought-Knot Seer which used to end games right there only to killed by a pitch elemental or Unholy Heat a turn later

[@halfwaytillbliss]

Modern used to be the shit back in 2015! There was something so exciting back when paper cards were worth *anything*, and the promos were actually special. You can't replicate that today. Sitting across from your opponent on Jund with judge promo Dark Confidants like wow, the commitment. But even up until 2018 I was still enjoying the format. Now my MTG activities are relegated to whenever Cube format is up on MTGO. If Cryptic, Bob and Noble Hierarch are ever good cards again I would start visiting my LGS every week ASAP. I wonder if Twin would even be playable these days.

[@jakecollin5499]

Theres several videos of content creators and pros playing with banned cards including splinter twin. Its pretty much unanimous from them that splinter twin is still crazy good. This is because its a good combo but the rest of the deck can use cards that have been printed since the banning like force of negation and subtlety (the deck used to play pact of negation, these cards are upgrades by not including the text, you lose the game.) You can comfortably splash white as well to include 3feri which essentially prevents your opponents from interacting with you combo. Cards like dark confidant haven't gotten better because the cards around them haven't gotten better in a way that suits it. When lurrus was legal dark confidant was perfect for those decks and hierarch fit right in but that got banned. It's entirely likely that something like this will happen again several times.

[@jonathanwalker6074]

Aether Vial could probably be on this list as well

[@joenotq]

i still see 5-0 lists in mtgo(dnt in legacy, merfolk in modern) with 4 vials, so probably not yet. maybe in the future.

[@sysmonitor]

Merfolk is very much a heavily played archetype in paper tournaments and all run a full playset.

[@phcozinha]

This video is a art. Reid give us a pure nostalgia from the modern format beggins. The snapcaster mage part was the best of the video, a great poem to the our boddy snappy. Thank you Reid, rlly rlly thank you

[@loxeggcheese]

Man imagine curving visions into bitter blossom then a few turns later drawing 3 into orcish bowmasters blowing up all your faeries :(

[@itsallenwow]

Goyf feels like time has passed it by as well. What used to be a terrifying monster just feels like spinning your wheels with a 3/4 now

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Disagree. With Urza's Saga it is very easy to get your card types up.

[@fastbreakreport]

@@JohnFromAccounting The problem is Goyf gets killed by so many things, You can literally just Fatal Push it and it's dead....like it don't matter how big you get it, there so much removal in the format it almost never lives.

[@wayanc1880]

Goyf is still pretty good, you can't nix every 2 mana creature because of push and ending. That card hits you hard if you aren't ready for it

[@fastbreakreport]

@@wayanc1880 It's okay, but it's not played anywhere near as much as it used to be because of how much removal is in the format. When you also consider how slow it is for the format it's basically unplayable. Most modern games are decided by turn 4 or 5 these days thanks MH1 and MH2.

[@Hatch585]

​@@fastbreakreportwell this is how push works... but the same you can say about literally any card in the game. You can also say that it just needs a Thoughtseize to deal with the push in order to play Goyf saftely🤷‍♂️

[@LookHowSneeky]

One of my favorite "old" modern cards that hasn't done anything in a while is Electroylyze. And a close 2nd is Cryptic Command ): rip

[@Cyro-jj5xc]

I played modern a lot, 3-4 FNMs a week from 2012 to 2018. I did pretty well, but lost the ability to play after college started. I've recently returned, playing commander somewhat casually, I cannot believe just how much the second modern horizons set warped the format, and I thought the first one was bad. I wanted to pull out the old naya big zoo deck I had tinkered with for years, only to find it's not even remotely playable anymore. The only card I see that's stuck around is lightning bolt, all the other staples are gone, a nostalgic memory for many I'm sure. I still have hopes of a format with twin unbanned and all cards from the modern horizons sets banned.

[@arjanang]

Cards come and go, but modern moves so fast now with all the Modern Horizon (and alike) sets. Before Covid I played UW control, but after covid practically my whole deck was dated with cards like snapcaster, cryptic and Jace. You have to be super invested all the time to keep up with modern now.

[@nekrataali]

WotC wasn't getting enough money from Modern players, so they did the Yu-Gi-Oh thing where they just print more powerful cards. It wouldn't surprise me at all if a lot of the Modern Horizons staples were unplayable in two years. I knew this was coming when they announced MH1, but unfortunately I had hopes it wouldn't be that bad and I didn't cash out of the format.

[@arjanang]

@@nekrataali Yeah, I've thought many times about selling my modern cards, but didn't pull the trigger because I regretted selling my cards once before. This time however things are different. Modern cards will lose value on average is my guess. If you don't use them they are a liability.

[@Supaasian14]

As a long term modern player I have not been happy with new cards as they came out (Uro, Astrolabe, wrenn 6, little teferi, solitude, Fury, etc). The reason I loved modern is it was a format where powerful cards, and diverse strategy were not dominated by certain cards being too good. I find that legacy is fun but too dominated by certain cards. Modern in my opinion is becoming way to donated by select cards like Ragavan. PS really pissed as UWX player who loved path, snap, cryptic.

[@th3giv3r]

Ruining an entire format is a small cost to piss off a U Player. Now you little girls know how the rest of us felt about YOUR cards.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Uro would be fine for the current power level. Would like to see him back since Mystic Sanctuary is gone.

[@rossmcbeath4997]

Cards that used to see way more play: Vendillion Clique, Cryptic Command, Mana Leak and Remand, Tectonic Edge, Smother, Muddle the Mixture, Serum Visions, Qasali Pridemage, Loxodon Smiter and Obstinate Baloth, Signets, Lantern of Insight, Leonin Arbiter and Aven Mindcensor, Woolly Thoctar and Knight of the Reliquary, Gifts Ungiven, Pyromancer's Ascension, Grapeshot, Ad Nauseum and friends, Abrupt Decay, Maelstrom Pulse, Oblivion Ring, Life from the Loam, Eidolon of the Great Revels, Courser of Kruphix, Rhox War Monk.

[@stratoincendus3869]

The biggest lie ever told is “invest the money once, and you can play a Modern deck for life”. Sure, Modern never rotates. But aside from staples of the format like Splinter Twin getting banned, the even bigger problem is that the influx of new cards is just as high as in Standard. Which didn’t use to be a problem, because most standard-legal cards weren’t competitive enough for Modern. But now the new cards constantly drive out the old ones. Modern is essentially just non-rotating Standard at this point. It still requires you to always be up-to-date with the latest sets. We used to play Extended back in the day, precisely because people at my LGS (including the store owner) did NOT want to always have to keep up with the newest sets. Which has become harder than ever, of course, with the absurd number of sets being released per year now. Where even full-time Magic content creators admit they struggle to keep up.

[@Euclides287]

Remember the times when you needed to have *untapped lands* to play your cards in Modern? 😌 I wonder when things took a turn for the worse and the format became Legacy on steroids.. 🤔

[@Humstuck]

This is so sad. Snap, Dark confid are 2 of my favorites but its true, very limited uses for them.

[@amphetamean66X]

I hope they print a few of these staples into Pioneer. If I'm honest I think Pioneer is more fun these days. The other card that would make me love Modern again is Faithless looting. Bring it back!

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Needs a few more years worth of cards to be a good format.

[@posaiduck1131]

They'll not see play after pioneer horizons.

[@amphetamean66X]

@@posaiduck1131 That will be a weird set. Anything that goes into that set will also be legal for Modern. We'll see how it goes.

[@martingrnkjr4423]

100% agreed with all! Also I’m glad you didn’t mention Cryptic Command bcs Command is awesome together with Lotus Field decks currently… It just does a lot.

[@GeekCornerNL]

Liliana of the veil, fulminator mage as a sideboard card, and abrupt decay

[@chronopolize_jp]

Solitude, fury, and reanimated grief scam were not a good change for modern. They pushed out a ton of other strats.

[@marxman6896]

MH2 in general was a disastrous set for the health of Magic as a whole. Grief/Fury/Solitude are just *way* too powerful for a format like Modern, and then there's Ragavan... yeah.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Horizons is the entire format now.

[@franksantana6859]

The pitch elementals were just terrible, free cards is a legacy thing, never wanted it in modern

[@camerons6028]

Green tron, burn, mono red prison, blue white control, amulet titian, affinity, blue tempo, mono black divotion and mono red agro are still "alive" at my lgs, the problem has become, that in order to stay competitive, these "old" deck need to run the same cards as the new decks. MH1 and MH2 and now LotR has made it so every deck runs the same cards as every other deck. Red will always have Furry, white will always have Solidude, black will always run Greif. Add to that counter spell and spell peirce, Urza's Saga and unholy heat, and all the decks start to look the same. WotC simply dosen't care. I am honestly waiting for this card: 1 colorless mana, instant speed, split second. "If you play this card first, you win the game". Its comming folks, and it wont get banned.

[@Quisite]

Ajani Vengeant and Lightning Helix come to mind.

[@isaakward4393]

Great call out!

[@TheRovingPunster]

Burn still plays helix

[@morseghost7]

Could an old-school Modern format gain any traction? It could be a closed format like pre-WAR Modern, or at least pre-Horizons? Avoiding '19 and FIRE design. Or rather than a "closed" format, just no Horizons and/or LOTR?

[@dragunkiller360]

It’s a fun idea, but I think most people want to avoid closed formats because a lack of new cards means the top decks risk becoming hegemonic very quickly. Sure, you may have access to a number of decks that are not viable in today’s meta, but no shake-ups from new cards also means they also may never move in terms of ranking, power level, or influence. You’ll inevitably be stuck in a meta that’s mostly kept alive by nostalgia, which is just not healthy for a competitive scene.

[@MrDBrown360]

I find overall printing cards directly into Modern has been bad for the game. It has changed what used to be a stable format into one that now basically rotates - another barrier to entry. It also has affected standard and draft of non modern sets as people aren't chasing those cards anymore for modern.

[@jamisonharvey9620]

from a jund player im surprised no mention of scavenging ooze or huntmaster of the fells, also RIP to cryptic command

[@elleeVee]

MH1 and 2 have done irreparable damage to this format

[@lincolncarvalho8739]

Hogaak aside, MH1 was actually, pretty cool I think? Force of Negation and of Vigor being standouts in power creep but it's not like it broke anything, as interaction generaly doesn't, and it didn't really push aside the traditional decks, it even gave a few of them new toys. Again, aside Hogaak, which was banned relatively quick, and the snow-piles that also got Astrolabe banned, it was a pretty good set that upped the power level a bit, but in an exciting way rather than just, a forceful rotation and wiping out of old staples and decks that was MH2. LOTR isn't as bad, but the Ring's getting banned.

[@elleeVee]

@@lincolncarvalho8739 wrenn and six annihilated 1 toughness creatures, a mainstay of modern for it's entire lifetime, AND (kinda along with triomes but still) is a key component in the garbage 4/5c piles we have today

[@lincolncarvalho8739]

@@elleeVee True, add W&Six to the garbage broken pile, hope it gets banned (guess I forgot it because I have a soft spot for it, given I drafted one and it payed for the draft and made me a profit lol). So Hogaak and W&Six are the big offenders, but that's tame compared to MH2's Evoke cycle, Ravagan, Murktide, Urza's Saga and Archon/Persist.

[@GeminiAmbience]

When will the CFB new site be functional?? I keep trying to login in with my TCG account, and it keeps giving me an error?

[@hostandersson4301]

I was sad to hear this, but yeah, I've felt it already at my lgs. Like you I never thought Snappy would lose relevance!

[@flaviocbrangel]

Can't wait for the next modern rotation

[@ThePathofWealth]

Whenever a horizons set releases it kills some of our heroes (or villains). It isn't right for our heroes and villains to be killed off with such frequency. We need time to acclimate to them and celebrate them.

[@gxhost]

I have a hard time understanding how Prismatic Ending is the better option over Path to Exile? Is it just because it can target non creatures?

[@jerrywhat4799]

That's exactly it.

[@canman87]

Not giving your opponent a land is also huge.

[@iag037]

GOYF! How you did not mention Tarmogoyf?!

[@ferranroig4991]

Cool video! Modern nostalgia with Reid? Yes please

[@QuicksilverSG]

Modern is a straight-up Pay-to-Win format.

[@caseykiesling4348]

Modern in 10 years “I can’t believe people used to play tron, only 7 mana for 3 lands too slow”

[@solomongrundey]

remember the tooth and nail decks, death cloud, small pox, ischron scepter

[@squid_pro_quo]

When he said you can no longer play a creature, pass turn, and wait to untap and attack, that hurt my heart.

[@ChromaToneMusic]

Sounds like a bad format. The power creep to $ell packs is pathetic :/

[@PM-ut6sy]

Izzet Staticaster…my love 🙁 used to always have one in my sb back in the days

[@Timba246]

Cryptic command?

[@mrskittles6486]

Last time I played snap caster mage was when lurus GDS was the best deck.

[@skeven0]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but i absolutly loath/hate that MH and suplemental sets like LOTR are modern legal, remember when they anounced Modern? they said only sets that were in standard since 8th edition till now

[@Humstuck]

I agree with you.

[@Euclides287]

That's exactly the problem with the format today and it's no coincidence that the cards that haven't been through Standard are the ones that completely broke the format. Modern would be a lot more fun and interactive again if you got rid of the Modern Horizons block.

[@RafitoOoO]

Not unpopular lol. I've never seen a modern player who likes those sets.

[@dragunkiller360]

What’s unfortunate is that MH and MH2 have a lot of really cool cards that just never get to see play because their top 1% is so powerful that nothing else can compete. Things like Fallen Shinobi, Future Sight, Hexdrinker, Sythis, Resurgent Belief, Sylvan Anthem, Priest of Fell Rites, Carth the Lion, and Aeve are all awesome cards without homes, and it’s very sad to think they may never see play in their intended format.

[@CrusaderGabriel]

I thought I was the only one who thought this... I haven't played since 2015 (bc rl hits) and while I'm ok with these collaboration sets existing I really start feeling the LOTR set really ruined the game for real (and I've seen many ban list updates that had people claim "the game is ruined"). The modern I used to know and play doesn't seem to exist anymore (and it seemed to still hold up to last year, at least the meta was kinda the same as in 2015 but with some obvious changes due to new sets and reprints)

[@FaithlessLooter]

I'm trying BBE in a Jund shell with Nissa, Resurgent Animist, but I fully expect it to turn out badly and to cut it for something else, possibly Grief.

[@willomalley7619]

I think my power creep posterchild was questing beast, not sure how you expect any old cards to compete at that level esp in green as a 3 drop, power creep and speed cheat past interaction and hurts the game imo

[@blagerthorpnonersense1894]

Some of these creatures should be printed into Pioneer, which is the spiritual successor to Modern in that it now has the power level of Meodern from 7-8 years ago or further back.

[@Sup4ast4r]

I would say you forgot Liliana of the veil and cryptic command.

[@disafear3674]

Man this video makes me nostalgic for the good old days

[@sctyd]

What is the card in the thumbnail clip?

[@chuckwagon3718]

Double Masters Dark Confidant

[@evildemonllama]

The fact that Wizards of the coast recognizes these formats in sanctioned play means that eventually we’ll be having this same conversation about Pioneer as well. Wizards wants ALL their players to want to buy new cards from the latest set. They simply cannot achieve this without creating cards that warp every sanctioned format and drives card sales.

[@andprosser]

Been a while since I've seen a good Inquisition of Kozilek deck....

[@AkrimTabbouli]

Still jamming JTMS, 5Teferi and 1 cryptic for old times sake. Too sentimental for me to move on from these cards.

[@alenviskovic7026]

karn the liberator maybe? i haven't seen him in tron for quite some time

[@beejaytea5964]

ah yes, everything i loved about modern...

[@Tyke-Myson]

Man, I wish so hard I still had fun in modern.

[@CrusaderGabriel]

Havent played since 2015, was seriously considering coming back... Seems over 80% of my cards are technically useless now... (Half of the cards mentioned in this video I played... That includes 1 toughness creatures) Time to give up any hopes on coming back... Ill be happy if i can at least just gather some old cards for collecting

[@-asrial-]

Surprised Tarmogoyf isn't in the list.

[@Hfsm33]

Why does it feel like the moment WoTC prints card's specifically with a format in mind they end up screwing big time and turning the format upside down...

[@lugarial]

Given how strong is Knight of the Reliquary in Legacy, I expect her to come back one day in Modern. It's just a super strong card with poor support in the format compared to what the format looks like now...

[@moaf2padventures757]

wild nacatal is still good at its job. unfortunately the position has been eliminated.

[@ralphbarnes9335]

Thanks Reid. Could lsv do one for legacy?

[@McD_James]

Liliana of the Veil is a big one.

[@doomtomb3]

Can't wait til Lightning Bolt is no longer good enough for modern "remember when people used to pay one mana and trade a card for three damage?"

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Bolt is still in legacy.

[@dervakommtvonhinten517]

i can think of so many.... modern horizons slaughtered MANY MANY modern cards

[@marknicklason]

@Reid Looking at the top 8 lists from the PT, and listening to your video here has gotten me thinking... Should Skullclamp just be unbanned? If 1 toughness creatures are such a liability now, and they clearly are, unbanning skullclamp seems like a great way to fix the format. If agro decks just can't play cards because of fury and bowmasters...give them a tool. Yeah the format would likely swing over to agro decks winning for a bit, but, really, isnt that more fun for everybody then footfalls vs tron? #unbanskullclamp

[@Z3R0SAMA]

Ive be3n gone from modern for about 5 years now and i stopped paying attetion. Ive been having that itch to play some modern. I have mono blue living end and mono blue tron........ it hur my soul when i was talking to a friend and he was laughing at me saying i would be destroyed by todays meta.......that was 3 weeks ago. I ended up selling my modern stuff and invested in 2 edh decks....sad times.

[@zupsabao]

Mind sculptor is goooone

[@ignacius8466]

1 toughness creatures have to bow before the bowmasters.

[@pearlvtv412]

Snapcaster Mage used to feel too op not to be banned

[@Prophetli]

That new modern format sounds absolutely horrible. Have they really felt the need to destroy it that badly?

[@florianl8273]

And here I'm sitting with my 2mana 2/2 goblin that can't block 😂

[@stevsomeguy07]

Thank you for explaining why modern is a shell of what it once was and why competitive magic is almost dead.

[@Agrahell]

Well it seems all those cards are primed to be reprinted into pioneer then !

[@Tooldruid]

The One Ring has supplanted basically all planeswalkers also. With a few rare exceptions, (Wrenn and Six, Small teferi, Minsc etc), it's basically always better to play 4 Rings than any of those old planeswalkers like JaceTM, Teferi Hero.

[@jakx2ob]

Karn

[@hitmangfx7162]

Basically, Modern Horizons created Modern 2.0. I have mixed feelings about it, but the current meta is fun at least. One I might have expected to see was Aether Vial. I feel like every time I get one out on turn 1 in game 1, it gets hit with Prismatic Ending. And the card is almost a dead draw outside of the opening hand. For one toughness creatures, I know Nikachu has basically deemed Silvergill Adept a dead card. I still run them for the card draw and I play a lot of Lords, but they do tend to get boarded out.

[@vintageman132]

Magic doesn't feel like magic anymore to me.

[@nikhilchhagan7371]

Maybe instead of complaining and wallowing just admit you just lost interest/grew out of the game

[@returningwhisper]

@@nikhilchhagan7371 Wallowing? Maybe let someone be critical of their hobby without getting defensive.

[@ObviOusMe]

​@@nikhilchhagan7371the game is definitely different now. Wizards have made some awful decisions over the years. So I don't give them my money anymore. Accusing someone of complaining when they are just voicing their opinion is a little childish, don't you think?

[@nikhilchhagan7371]

@@returningwhisper all people do all day is complain about how the game has changed over time without offering any feedback or criticism. So sick of it

[@nikhilchhagan7371]

@@ObviOusMe ah, but did this person articulate any of these things? No, they just joined the endless hordes of people online spreading negativity and complaining about the game in a completely abstract and non constructive way

[@wolfwoodgamer5814]

Great video!

[@Flair3777]

This video makes me bitter about the state of the game.

[@Voidload]

Liliana of the veil and cryptic command both also seem so much worse than they used to be.

[@KainiusTheGreat]

Not being funny, I genuinely think the majority of the Modern ban list can be unbanned at this point...and I DO mean some of the scariest cards too like Dark Depths, Cloudpost, and Hypergenesis. The format has the answers now for these cards (the MM2 Incarnations, FoN, Boseiju ect)...heck, they could bring back Twin and it would land in the format like a wet fart.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Half the list can be removed. They're not scary cards.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

But Dark Depths still dominates no banlist modern. Not safe at all.

[@KainiusTheGreat]

@@JohnFromAccounting Then they're fools for not playing the plethora of answers to it. Edit: Sick thumbnail btw

[@EarnestCreations]

Maybe I'm just an old grinch, but I can't help feeling like they are openly taking us for fools. Years ago, they were creative and worked hard to bring different content without burying previously released cards. It's really sad when they print a new card with the same mana value as an old one and add an extra effect; very, VERY lame. I wouldn't be surprised if in the next couple of years I see new stronger fetch-lands with scry or some other bullsh*t, 4/4 two-drops with a couple of positive effects and no draw-backs. Now that "exile" effects are as common as "destroy", they'll release some sort of "unexiliable" static ability and, a bit later, a new kind of removal (maybe tearing the physical card apart, who know$). This is not "the evolution of the game", it's called "I don't give a damn anymore about the game and/or players, I want more money, I don't want to think too much or I won't be able to spit editions like a water sprinkler".

[@baka2k6]

I kinda feel like MTG has reached a point where I don't like it as much anymore compared to the past. Even in limited it feels like there are too many cards that do too many things too well at the same time. In construted pretty much every card is either extremely undercosted or is just a overly solid multipurpose card that does many things at the same time and pretty much has no downsides. I miss the old times where decks and cards had vulnerabilities and downsides and denial strategies were a thing. Now every match is just a rush to who can bury the opponent first in card advantage and board presence.

[@Kali_Yuga_Surfer]

This is depressing.

[@jakecollin5499]

I have to fundamentally disagree with the modern community that thinks these cards are completely unplayable tho. I've seen nothing to indicate that formats like modern are solved except when things like Oko happen. Outside of those times there's always room for innovation. For example death's shadow was a legal deck for ages before anyone figured out it was really good. Faithless looting was a legal card for ages before people started to piece together how broken it was. It wasnt even included in a lot of storm lists that ran pyromancers ascension. The way we understand magic shifts as the game shifts. Go ahead and watch videos of Reid Duke talking about how faithless looting was a fine card because its card disadvantage. You can see him talking about this like 2 weeks before the card was banned. Reid is a rock midrange card/resource advantage legend so as he understood the card at the time it was not as good as people were making it out to be. He just like the rest of us had to change the way we understood the game. The magic community is plagued by confirmation bias. This is hardly unique to us but it's pretty clear that a content creator's opinion can sway the community heavily. There's also some pretty shoddy probability and statistics being used to confim those biases. You know what another perspective is? Bob is like $12 right now. Liliana is like $15. Sounds like 75% off to me. I can assure you thoughtseize into bob/goyf into liliana is still going to win you a lot of games. Bolt Snapcaster bolt still does 6 damage at instant speed last time i checked. Snapcaster Counterspell still counters spells. To those that feel down about this, do me a favor and be a nerd again. Stop being swayed so easily. If you dont like all the new pitch elementals or the one ring or bowmasters dont quit. Innovate. Be the adventurer you once were. See that as the raid boss that it is and figure out how to beat it. Torpor orb anyone? Learn to overcome again instead of being defeated by literally anything that gets in your way.

[@adamjohnson3779]

This. As a homebrewer friends are constantly saying “why don’t you play this it’s winning right now”. I’m like part of magic for me is the creativity of making decks not just playing the game. Been doing it for so long, that I am a great deck builder where friends come to me asking for me to make a list with an overview of what they kind of want to play. It took years to become this kind of homebrewer. Sometimes it’s still challenging because a lot of analysis, play, and thought goes into making a list. On average it’s about a 3 day process just to get a solid rough draft. Then more days to refine. But still, I’m in love with that process.

[@SuperbFairy]

I understand what you're going for here, but going back to playing old, out of favour decks isn't 'innovation'. Those cards have been replaced because the meta is just straight better, it outperforms them and punishes them heavily, bowmaster being a perfect example of that. It doesn't mean that people can't go for those old decks and statistically win some of the time, but those decks no longer make up a relevant play % for a reason, they aren't winning enough

[@jakecollin5499]

@@SuperbFairy I wasn't suggesting people play an entire old deck. That's why I used the lurrus meta as an example.

[@jerrywhat4799]

I don't even know what you're disagreeing with. Sure, innovation is still alive and new decks will still pop up. But this video was about objectively how cards have started seeing less play which can be statistically shown, not presumed but factually shown, and a brief explanation as to why they see less play. You can litteraly win games with a grizzly bear and giant growths, but just because you can doesn't mean there isn't better options that will win more CONSISTENTLY

[@canman87]

These days, the vast majority of playable cards in the format have to either generate 18 different forms of card/board advantage upon playing them, be insanely undercosted (often free), contribute to a game ending as fast as possible within the rules of Magic, or some combination of all three things. Basically, if it isn't bastardizing Magic, it's very likely close to unplayable. Hard pass on Modern.

[@pandagalactique7935]

so what do we have now ? ... I was hyped when pioneer started but the format is so boring now and there are so few viable strategies

[@Potatomuffin]

A lot of these cards were already on their way out the door before modern horizons. Cards like VC, confidant, and nacatl were already getting pushed out by Eldrazi, Humans, and the usual suspects that still exist today like Living End, TRON, and Burn. Some of these cards just never really saw serious play like Bitterblossom and Ancestral Visions so I wouldn't say they don't cut it anymore since they just didn't cut it in the beginning despite continuous efforts to make them work. I think some of the low hanging fruit missing from cards that used to be good/staples but were slowly getting phased out in recent printings would be: -Cryptic Command/Remand/Mana Leak: because counterspell didn't exist. Well counterspell exists so... -Lightning Helix: burn spell and even control/midrange decks used it as removal and survival. Now for burn there are better alternatives like skewer and vortex and midrange decks have a wealth of removal choices. -Tapped Manlands: now there are manlands that have the option to come into play untapped, have a lower investment cost with monocolor, and are a lot strong (den gives value, hive controls GY, hall haymakers, and lair does green stuff...we just don't talk about white). These are the cards I expect to have the lowest chance of coming back.

[@TunnelSnakesrule13]

Basically Modern is a format where if your deck isn't able to fire off a game ending combo on turn 1 then you're wasting your opponents time.

[@CardTiger]

I miss you snapcaster.

[@Ericnorify]

If I had heard someone say "samwise gamgee combo deck" five years ago I would have started crying. Now I just don't play instead.

[@True_Ronin]

I think Bob can make a comeback. I wanna try him in my Mono B Death’s Shadow.

[@profanemagic5671]

I assume this is a meme-comment. if so, good job, you made me laugh :P . if not: don't play DS, solitude single-handetly killed that deck.

[@pandagalactique7935]

@@profanemagic5671 true + bob was never an option when Shadow was alive because you wanted to control your life loss to not die and kill fast