Modern Games Are Too Long

[@onofriopiccolino5166]

When a game is over 25 hours I can’t wait for the game to finish. 15 hours is perfect length for a game

[@Stayler17]

Thats on you. For me around the 60 to 80 hour mark. But that depends on the game I remember I played RDR2 for 80 hours and then took a break and months later came back to it. Its my 3rd favorite game of all time. The length is not the problem but the quality

[@mildhoof]

15-20 hours is the ideal for most games, I’d much prefer a new game+ to extend the lifespan of a game if I choose to go back, if it means the narrative, gameplay and graphics are kept high quality. For an FF style epic, I’m happy to go up to 40 hours, but it needs to earn that playtime. Games that don’t respect your time, I simply won’t buy them any more.

[@rattlehead999]

@@mildhoof I'd say that even for FF style games, RPGs in general, 40 hours is the absolute maximum for me, 25 to a little over 30 hours is the best for RPGs IMO. And for non-RPG games 10-20 hours is the sweet spot, maybe some open world, non-RPG games can push 25 hours at most.

[@rattlehead999]

I absolutely agree, except for RPGs, where that time mark for me is 32-35 hours when I want it to end.

[@TheBestbackingtracks]

Im done, Im so sick of getting a game, gettin all excited about it, then loving the first few hours, only to get bored at the half way mark and WISHING the end is coming soon so that I can walk away feeling I had a good experience! but nope, it goes ON and ON eventually making me realize this is a chore so what am I doing? So I just give up and walk away

[@ErikStewart-is1hm]

I played cult of the lamb for the first time ever recently, and I’m genuinely happy with how little playtime I got out of it.

[@SuperTime2Change]

Games are definitely way too long and expensive nowadays. Most of the time gaming nowadays is spent doing repetitious tasks over and over to pad game time or have exhaustively massive worlds that are mostly empty voids where nothing happens. Games as a service is cancer to the industry. A service goes offline (like servers that run the games) and poof - bye bye multiplayer with friends or bye bye to playing the game at all anymore. The industry is in a very, very bad place today, but consumers refuse to stop consuming half cooked chicken and raw cookie dough for a hefty price. Literally almost every company in the video game industry today: "If the people are willing and dumb enough to keep eating up hot garbage, why change or do better? Gamers are stupid and will consume any pile of trash they come across. They pay us to screw them over. Bahahaha! Morons!"

[@Adeyum64]

I would even argue that games like Persona 5 Royal or Like A Dragon (Yakuza) series are surprisingly cheap with what they offer. Sadly, the short games end up mad expensive, which is why I am glad that I only paid 30€ for Ratchet & Clank rift apart. 70€ would have been a total rip-off and... yes, I platinumed the game and still had only like 30h. I would also argue that the variety was sadly not huge either... what was it, 7 planets? Man, sure they're long but the classic route with shorter but more planets was waaaay cooler.

[@GiordanDiodato]

Let's be real, gamers suck

[@GiordanDiodato]

​@@Adeyum64and this is why video games are too long

[@ssjbargainsale]

I got so tired of modern gaming I didnt play much for years. Then I played Yakuza 0, project zomboid and persona 4 earlier this year. That was all I need to get back into it

[@pancakesean6888]

If you haven't tried Persona 5 Royal give it a shot. It's a very long game, 100+ hours, and while it takes a little bit to get going once you get into it it's insanely fun throughout

[@ssjbargainsale]

@@pancakesean6888 Its next on my list after Im done with MH world!

[@pancakesean6888]

I'm jealous, that first experience with a Persona game is magical. P3 Reloaded will be out in February as well so you're in for quite a journey

[@selfdeficient]

I literally don't play games if they're longer than 30 hours. Takes me months to beat and I want to move on to other shit. Going through old notifications, and saw your shout out. Thank you! Good stuff.

[@pancakesean6888]

Oh wow thanks man, really appreciate the kind words! Your video was absolutely fantastic and I think it hit so many points that a lot of gamers feel but struggle to articulate. I understand it took you quite some time to make that video but it was well worth the effort. If you ever want to partner up for a vid or work together just shoot me a message, otherwise I really look forward to your next vid!

[@Stayler17]

You seem to not have time. For me a game that's 80 to 100 hours I can beat in a month. BOTW took me 208 hours to beat. I beat it in around 2 months.

[@OneRandomVictory]

Yeah, I increasingly have been appreciative of games that take 25-50 hours to beat.

[@TraaaaaasshBooooaaaatttt]

The game can take 300 hours, but if every single one of those hours is fun, it wont feel long at all even if you know it's long. I played cyberpunk and started when there was sun out and when i looked at my phone it was 2am and i didnt realise.

[@backupschmliff1156]

I also appreciate long games that have meaningful content. Like Shin Megami Tensei IV having 150 hours of main story but also incredibly rich side quests that are based on different mythological stories.

[@aviciousfridge]

That's still too long. 20-30 hours tops for me before I get bored and want to move on.

[@GiordanDiodato]

I think the reason some games are so long was because people bitched about Call of Duty campaigns being too short, but in reality it was more like the newer games were less satisfying

[@MrKilligan]

15-20 hours seems to be the sweet spot for me. It's long enough to grasp all of the controls or systems but not too long where they grow stale. Another aspect of this time issue are the crafting/currency systems in the game. I don't mind crafting, but I don't need 10 differerent systems of crafting where I have to keep a guide open for everything I'm doing. I also don't need 5 different currencies in the game.

[@Dabedidabe]

Persona 5 brought me here. The game oozes with style, but dayum the dungeons and battles are long and tedious.

[@pancakesean6888]

Lost P5 but yes it's super long. I just beat the P3 remake and the Tartarus dungeon is the definition of fluff. That game could easily lose 20 hours worth of dungeon crawling

[@thevideogamecabinet3681]

Persona 5 is also dragged down by all the hours of the teenagers texting and repeating the same thing over and over about when they are going to hang out to eat sushi. I suffered through 113 hours to reach the end credits, and I would estimate that 50 of those hours were watching the teenagers texting. Big disappointment. I did not like the game overall. Massively overrated.

[@Dabedidabe]

@@thevideogamecabinet3681 So true, I started to learn which dialogue bits were just repeated flavor text and skipped through them. It's probably more than half the total dialogue.

[@robhulson]

I beat Metroid Dread the first day I had it. And I replayed it. And replayed it again. I probably played Dread (including beating Dread mode) 10-15 times. It's a fun game that rewards improving your skills at it. I'll spend 40 hours on a game that takes 5 hours to beat. The Messenger was the same. I couldn't put it down because it was *fun.* Yes, the criticism that long games are a problem is absolutely true. Especially open world games.

[@robhulson]

In fact, as I think about it, I became aware of this initially back when I got the Assassin's Creed Ezio Trilogy for my PS3. I thought I'd never be bored again. Played right through Assassin's Creed II, LOVED IT. Got through Brotherhood, also enjoyed it immensely. Started playing Revelations, and as soon as I tried the tower defense levels and trying to liberate different districts... I tuned out. Never beat that game. And that's when I realized that video games were starting to become less and less fun.

[@pancakesean6888]

I still have to play Metroid Dread, but I think the Metroid series is a great example of this. Most games are short but they're so well made you can just keep playing and have fun.

[@tomparkin2068]

Same here with Dread, it was that damn addictive that I started a second playthrough instantly after beating my first, and I did it entirely without thinking, didn’t take long to reach the halfway point and then I realised that I was on track to beat it again - and it was even better given that I’d skilled up considerably. Now that’s a sign of true quality over quantity to me! I’d often rather replay the same shorter games over and over than play a single game that is huge. Unless I’m really feeling it, chances are I’ll pass - I borrowed a friend’s copy of Spider-Man 2 a couple of weeks ago and it’s sat untouched, I have genuinely no desire to play it so I may as well give it back.

[@E579Gaming]

it depends on the genre but 10-20 hours to beat the main story in a game on your first try isn't bad if it is condenly packed high quality content

[@travesty-studios]

Im going to watch this later, but i just wanted to say that my girlfriend has never really played any games before Breath of the Wild and she 100% that game in the time it took to release the sequel. Worked out perfectly for her lol

[@spacecadet2226]

Sifu Main+Extras is 14 hours. It has 5 levels and barely any storyline. I’ve put in over 150 hours all because of the amazing gameplay.

[@SamDavies94]

I've been in the 'Quality over quantity' approach. There are games I love that are approx 60 hours, like Elden Ring, but, the quality of the game is so high I dont realise the time has passed. Recently I played Alan Wake 2, and the first 12 hours felt great, the last 4 or 5 felt like they dragged a little. This is down to story/mission pacing and repetition, but it also brings to attention the time spent playing. Open world games mostly end up being over long too, as you address in the video, too much filler and 'stuff' to do that doesn't add to anything.

[@GraveUypo]

to me alan wake 2 is... idk. i hated the first 2 chapters with passion. it got better after we started to control alan and the game became more linear, but i'm like 5 hours in and it's already starting to feel grating. idk i feel the first game was much better. but i'm also in a much less patient place in my life for games.

[@vitorf2303]

I couldnt beat Alan Wake 2, Alan's part is so fucking boring

[@SomeGuy97669]

Sounds like someone realized they can't dump all thier time into games anymore. FF16 only took me 40 hours to beat, and I took my time... for a JRPG that's kinda short if anything.

[@playalot86]

I just keep playing Metroid ‘86.

[@gamerinatrance3618]

I've been playing games since 2006 and in that time I literally never saw the appeal of big open-world games. Even now anything 100+ hours that's outside of a live service or mmo I just ignore. And frankly even games that are above 30-50 need to make a strong case. It's honestly shocking how much history of the video game medium literally could not exist in today's landscape because of how "value for money" seemingly has come at the cost of everything else.

[@TopFlightSecurity415]

YESS!! lord have mercy i feel like i have been playing this game forever , when you're hoping a game will end soon thats how you know the future of gaming is in trouble

[@pancakesean6888]

It's been happening to me more and more as I get older and I get less time for games. I'm totally fine with a game having ebbs and flows, I'm playing through metaphor right now and it's like an 80 hour game that is great throughout, but when it's clear the limits of the plot or gameplay has been reached and there's still a massive amount of game to play it just doesn't become worth it to finish.

[@IskandarTheWack]

A video that felt like it came out in the 90s with its sensibilities fr, but with modern KZbin format complaining about modern gaming. Play indie games, they’re better

[@Kitty255Again]

(Unnecessary rant incoming) Tears of the Kingdom's issue wasn't length, but the fact that it was more Breath of the Wild. I hated BotW for changing the formula in a detrimental way, removing the linear but fun dungeons that felt like they were part of Hyrule and replacing them with generic 5 generators and enemies that didn't fit the area. The world was barren and the story was destroyed too, since everything already happened and you need to confuse yourself with out of order memories. I don't want old Zelda back because i got attached to it, I want old Zelda back because it was good.

[@chaosenforcerdhm969]

Ok but the reason it was more breath of the wild was because more people liked that than the old formula I hope they make a new Zelda game for you and the new style

[@Kitty255Again]

@@chaosenforcerdhm969 I like the new style but I just don't think they pulled it off well. A hybrid between styles would go really hard tho.

[@chaosenforcerdhm969]

@@Kitty255Again they should give him train while their at it

[@KairuHakubi]

i think more broadly, the issue is A) open-world games being inherently problemy, and B) trying to appeal to too broad an audience at once. They are TERRIFIED that any player will be unhappy, so they try to please the long-game and short-game people at the same time, by putting in enough that you CAN keep playing for hundreds of hours, but making all of that very optional so the short-game people won't be sad. Just pick your niche and fulfill it. To me, the REAL problem with these long games is... it's really hard to feel 'done.' and if you actually HAVE done everything in the game, it feels... weird.. like this has become an every day part of your life, making tiny little slivers of progress toward completion, so once it happens, it didn't warm you up for it properly. Quite the opposite, the content tapers off, instead of building up for like, a congrats.

[@carlosmelendez8317]

I agree. In 2024 with such shorter attention spans I appreciate 30-40 hr games now

[@CthuvianCultist]

This feels less like an issue with long games and more an issue with bad games. I guess this is less of “long games are bad” as much as “not every game needs to be long”, which I respect

[@BrookMesfin]

I agree, even BG3 which was long as hell, only got boring towards the end because of the level cap.

[@rattlehead999]

IMO 10-20 hours is the ideal length for non-RPG games. For RPGs 20-40 hours. Edit: Open world non-RPG games can push for 25 hours maximum.

[@BlueMagicite]

by sheer algorithmic coincidence, I'm recommended your vid. I noticed your name and felt like watching a certain KH vid because of pancake in the name. What a surprising turn of events this has all been

[@Ji99i3]

I like games about 2-5 hours long. 8 hours is when i start not being too interested

[@derekbrown6319]

30-40 hours worth of content is enough for me (not including dlc or multiplayer progress

[@Robert-vk7je]

Fun isnt the goal for AAA games. Its "player engagement".

[@mememachine-386]

5:13 this whole bit is too real lmao

[@NiniNoUnlocked]

Probably your best vid so far, good balance of jokes and commentary. Keep it up👍

[@pancakesean6888]

Thanks! Got an animation coming out in twoish weeks then another vid after that

[@Airfighter271]

There are plenty of short games that exist in today's age, 50ish hours for FFXVI is short for a final fantasy game if we're being honest. I think all of the people complaining about the length of games just need to look outside of the RPG genre (Final fantasy, BG3, Starfield etc.) go play Stray, or Insryption, slay the spire, Hades, or any other shorter game and don't pressure these companies into shortening games that don't need it. Imagine if Larian thought BG3 was "too long" and cut 50% of the content?

[@sawdust8691]

I'm perfectly fine when games are longer, but only when it feels right. And there are just too many long games. Unless the game in question is particularly fun or interesting to me, I just want it to end by the time I reach 25-30 hours. Thankfully most games I've played seem to end around this time frame or earlier. But man, after playing a massive game like Zelda for 100 hours, as fun as it might have been at times, it just feels so nice to play a game that is shorter and a more cohesive tighter experience. Most recent example is Armored Core 6. That game freaking rocks. It is non stop action. It only has a few mechanics but is in depth and basically perfect im what it wants to be. It takes around 15 hours to beat. And it also has strong incentives for more playthroughs with both story and gameplay. Before that, Hi Fi Rush. Like 8 hours of pure fun with a good story and characters that don't overstay their welcome. From all the games I've played through the years, I absolutely prefer quality over quantity. Even if it's one of the rare ones that have both, if the game is too big I just start not caring as much and will probably never replay it.

[@pancakesean6888]

You bring up an excellent point. Whenever I play a super long game the next game I play is always shorter. Massive long adventures that are done well can be fun, but I remember after I beat Tears of the Kingdom I went and played through Dave the Diver. It just felt so nice for a simpler and faster experience

[@Frankthegb]

“There are too many long games” then don’t play them all lmao? They exist to cover all niches of gamers wtf

[@etownshawn]

Agree, there are a lot of games today I get exhausted towards the end and become okay with not finishing it. I loved Fallout 4 but learned to ignore "clearing out my quest list" and just went for the final kill. Elden Ring I played for 4 months and loved it but I couldn't beat it. An example of a short game that's still great to play is Stray. I hate games where to constantly have to gather loot- check every room- follow up on your kill to loot the body- craft, cook things. I did play No Man's Sky for a bit- and yeah- it's all those things. Some games try too hard to be everything at once and end up too exhausting to play (GTA 5, FF15...ugh dont get me started on that mess) cheers

[@FAH_26]

Yes, I dont understand why these companies keep wanting to make long games that end up being played once, and not only that, they will also make a sequel to the previous game with a bigger map but literally the same thing. I couldnt finish Tears of The Kingdom because it was literally the same experience and gamplay not much different, I passed out on Spiderman 2 because when I saw it I knew it would've been the same experience as the first game, I couldn't finish Horizon Forbidden West for also the same reason. If I wanted to experience the game again, then I'll play the first game. I enjoyed playing 16 and loved the gameplay, but it was just stretching the story and adding boring fillirs to extend the game and dont even get me started on the side quests I'll never want to do that again it was so boring if I wanted boring side quests I'll play an MMO gamr seriously dont waste my time making me a fetch boy! I enjoyed racing the game more than my first run, skipping all cutscenes and side quests except chocobo and ending the game in approximately 6-7 hours! It was such a satisfying run. Then, I'm playing FF7 Rebirth with the same issue. I already played FF16 the game of side quests. Why would I enjoy doing that again? Rebirth didn't feel at all like the remake. I finished it and didn't have fun at all, unfortunately. The changes in the battle system mostly delay issues, and the boring side quests just made it a bad experience entirely it felt like a copy of 16 mimicking the gameplay of remake wasn't satisfying at all. I've been playing the pixel remaster lately and was having a lot of fun currently on FF4, and im just thinking about how my friend will react to me hearing spoilers about FF6 lol but aside from that these games are tond of fun and I'm enjoying them a lot!

[@elhazthorn918]

Although some modern games are great, the SNES era was golden. My favourite was Terranigma. 40 hour action RPG but sooooo good.

[@berg450]

One of the reasons why Mass Effect is my favorite long game series. It's about 90 hours for the entire trilogy, and since everything is bundled in to Legendary Edition you can play it like seasons of a TV series. You have so much replay value, you can experience the story with femme shep or male shep, renegade or paragon, different classes. It's very replayable. If you wanna get 1,000 hours out of it you can. Or you can play it once.

[@isaiahgeorge906]

Same. I'm addicted to playing Mass Effect because of the so many different ways to play out the story. So many subtle changes you can make one at a time until it all folds together.

[@NoahiShere2667]

Im just old and occupied and even wheh im free i can no longer sit and play 200hours of the same reppetite useless quests, i even struggle to finish mid sized games, i have been playing a plague tale requiem for 1 week now and barely made it to mid game.

[@falseprophet6031]

Don't play them then. Indies are sweet and short

[@nikkoduran]

I think that playing several hours just for some extra levels, or slightly better equipment means nothing to me if is the same thing over and over, like in tears of the kingdom, is not the main story is bad but the docens and docens of repetitive secondary missions and things to collect. This didn't happened when i also played The Witcher 3. I'm just tired of those empty games, sometimes a indie title is the best, good narratives, good gameplay and some experimental stuff here and there with less hours.

[@pancakesean6888]

I think The Witcher 3 is a perfect example of a good long game. The game with its expansions is well over 100 hours but the story is insanely interesting and all the things you do are so unique and great it never feels its length. Meanwhile FF16 could have been 30 hours and not lost anything

[@radicalcentrist4990]

I think there is no good reason for a single player game to be over 50 hours. And 50 hours should only be acceptable if the game is an RPG as they've always been traditionally long games anyway. But if you want to go over that, then as you said, better make it a really engaging experience like how Witcher and Persona did.

[@chocobro3198]

LOL WOT P5 is a slogfest to get through too though. And the characters in P5 are the worst I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with in any RPG I've ever played and that is over 200. It's like everyone is just so stuck in the echo chamber of praising P5 they just do it without even knowing if they actually agree. And they are blind to the flaws due to all the flashiness of the game. But stylish menus don't change how garbage and cringe the writing is. Also, the graphics are actually really bad, too. For one, the character models look weird as hell, their eyes are spaced too far apart.

[@Frankthegb]

I work 10-13 hour days and I still love long games 🤷

[@tracialx]

Haven't watched the vid yet but if you’re paying $70 for a game wouldn’t you want it to entertain you for awhile?

[@E579Gaming]

if you're are paying $70 for a game wouldn't you rather a impactful, memorable and high-quality dence set of content for 10-30 hours than 150 hours of doing the same quest and fighting the same enemies when you want the game to finish up 20-30 hours in it

[@the.Redeemer-l7t]

You nailed it on the head my man.We want games NOT BUGGY Showpieces.Gamers are being so ripped off these days.You dont need to be though.Stop buying their games,GET A PC AND EMULATE FROM THE PAST!!!! ITS MORE FUN

[@ThousandairesClub]

*I been saying this about GTA for 20 years, that's why ive never beat one* 😂

[@nikolagvozdenovic940]

I don't like when i spend money and game is over in few hours. My favorite games can not be beaten. Like mmos, arpgs, fps, card games etc. There are some exceptions of course like GTA.

[@E579Gaming]

I feel like the main story line or objective of the game (only offine mode ofc), should be a high quality content rich story that is short and sweet but the focus of the game should be the meachiacs and how good the gameplay is meaning you can have a strong online component and a reason to keep replaying the game

[@Ghost-ul8eu]

So many of the best critically acclaimed games now take too long to finish. Elden Ring is one for example I enjoyed it and got 167 hours out of it but the idea of replaying it is just no. I still haven't finished Baldurs Gate 3 I got it when the game awards were out and I still haven't finished it. Every big game now requires you to have no life to actually play it.

[@rattlehead999]

Elden ring is about 60 hours if you literally do everything that is non-PVP related in the game. I cleared absolutely everything and did almost all quests in 50-55 hours. If you do just the main story it's 20 hours. That said even with these numbers it's too long. I like Dark Souls 1-3 and Bloodborne, because I can beat those games in 8 hours or so and replay the hell out of them. I've replayed Dark Souls 1 probably 18-19 times. Dark Souls 3 7-8 times and Dark Souls 2 6 times. Bloodborne I've replayed 6 times too. Elden Ring I've replayed 2.5 times. 1 was my first run where I did everything, big mistake. The second I focused on the main story and getting the items needed for the build I was playing and the 0.5 was the co-op mod where we didn't finish the game cuz it glitched.

[@nopeISdope96]

Ghosts of Tsushima

[@Rihcterwilker]

My man comparing Tony Hawk to rpgs 🧐

[@rattlehead999]

To RPGs that have pointless tasks in them.

[@Rihcterwilker]

@rattlehead999 but it is a weird comparison. By default, rpgs have a tendency to be long, even if following just the main story.

[@rattlehead999]

@@Rihcterwilker Yes, but but back in the day they were long due to have lots of fun content(the good ones), nowadays they are filled to the brim with boring side-activities and have the rockstar plague of making you go from one side to the map to the other all the time to pad out the time.

[@sonicXstarhedgehog]

Sorry, but all I can hear is "BWAAAH! BWAAAH! GAMES ARE TOO LONG AND I DON'T FIND MYSELF ENJOYING MY FAVORITE PASTIME BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE PATIENCE! BWAAAH! BWAAAH!"

[@samselah]

i like long games get money's worth.

[@rattlehead999]

At 5-6$ per 1 hour you get your money's worth if the game is fantastic.

[@OgreDLink]

I ran out of steam on totk. Been playing xenogears on my vita then actually going to ff6 on switch 😂

[@mdjey2]

Funny, but Final Fantasy 6 seems too long for me. Maybe that is mostly due to random encounters.

[@rattlehead999]

In general a classic final fantasy games is good when it's 15-25 hours long. FF6 is a little over 25 hours which makes it drag out a little big, but it's fantastic, best game in the series along with 9. FF9 is too long though for sure.

[@mdjey2]

@@rattlehead999 I liked FF4 better. Clear roles, clear story and you can escape most fights more easily. Still with Final Fantasy for me it is love and hate relation. A lot to learn and random encounters are tedious. It made slow game in the end. Even when I played FF6 after FF4, I still had not learned everything.

[@rattlehead999]

@@mdjey2 They upgraded the game from 4 to 5 a lot, then took out some mechanics from 5 to 6, but added other ones, so it's normal not to know the entire game. Also I like random encounters as long as they aren't too frequent.

[@mdjey2]

@@rattlehead999 What I meant by learning is that I have no prior knowledge of Dungeon and Dragons. I didn't really knew how elemental stuff works. Just recently in FF5 I realised that you can use some items as magic. Also some of it is lost in translation as I don't really understand words like Berserk and some other so I need to look them up, but still don't get how it works in game.

[@ecikowaty]

It took me 51 hours to complete FFXVI, how is it too long compared to FFVI over 40?

[@rattlehead999]

FFVI is 25-30 hours long if you have played JRPGs and even shorter if you've played any of the other classic FF games from 4-9.

[@DibsEquipped]

There's the word ass in it twice for a reason. And also Creed.

[@drannoceremat574]

Agree 100%

[@Rikard_A]

I came to Baldurs Gate and stopped. I had lost intresse in the game. Assassin's creed rouge is still a better game than Assassin's creed valhalla.

[@Ghost-ul8eu]

The game should have ended with act 2 or ended earlier into act 3 Baldurs Gate is an insanely long game. How did people manage to beat this game in like a month.

[@rattlehead999]

AC Rogue is better than AC4 too. XD

[@tetsuoshima2314]

100% hope some devs out there see this

[@lord_cobi]

R2R 🔥

[@ThuglasElBosso]

> Too long to beat > Shows TOTK on the thumbnail > "What's going wrong? Maybe it's me?" Yeah, I bet it's the games which are wrong. Especially when you can beat the Final Boss from 40 minutes onwards.

[@quailchicken7517]

Longer payments 👏🏻 Equals more time 👏🏻engaged on a subscription service 👏🏻👏🏻 I keep trying to point this out. Because yes, that’s what we’re moving towards. Or companies like Microsoft especially want us to move towards. Game Pass isn’t for impassioned gamers. It’s for casual players that can jump in and out of games when ever they want, which not to be offensive, is sending a message to devs from these types of players that they can get away with skimping on quality. Especially, when devs are pressured by publishers that content needs to be addictive, not fun. Why? Publishers want people glued to that subscription model without realizing that’s what’s glaringly happening. So bloated, dlc loaded, mile wide, inch deep games pumped out under crunch and then turned into live service so the game never ends and CEO’s can feel good milking a title for all its worth. Meanwhile, the devs attention is being split between the live service game and the upcoming game. A dev literally can’t devote their full attention on their next game if live services are involved and if their studio is small. But then theirs also management issues that stifles creativity with larger studios. No matter what the conditions for creativity have been absent for years for a lot of devs and perhaps that’s why everything feels so samey and why hardly anything new is innovative. We’re in a creative drought and if you look around, that most media these days.

[@KingKnowledge245]

Too long and repetitive af. I would rather play a shorter game, especially when the game play is repetitive af.

[@JahCrashedOut]

i dont think TOTK is a good example to use for "taking too long" you can beat this game the moment the tutorial is over granted its not ideal its still possible

[@VictoryReviews]

Keep it up my guy

[@idontknowwhatname2632]

final fantasy 7 takes 50 hours main+side 16 takes 57 main+side. side missions are irrelvant if the game is good. red dead 2 a game that is a top 10 of that decade has boring hunt quests with mediocre side content of you just helping someone not die or finding some random thing yet its amazing story makes up for it because even if the side content sucks the main story can be amazing

[@Airfighter271]

The side content of RdR2 is incredible what are you on?

[@idontknowwhatname2632]

@Airfighter271 90% if the time its been "hey i can't find (insert someone they know) can you find them and turns out their dead

[@GraveUypo]

i hate long campaigns tbh. prefer 6 hours ones I'm older than most of you, and this impatience for padding, or things getting samey, only gets worse. some of the "good examples" everyone cites annoy the hell out of me with their padding. I just gave up on forcing myself to end games. when they annoy me, i drop them. it's that simple. i got to chapter 10 of plague tale requiem, loved the game, but it was getting stale 2 chapters ago. so i dragged myself through it to finish the game just to learn there are 7 more chapters. I just stopped playing. no way. i've been through enough shit already, just let me have a W and end it ffs! It was the same with ratchet & clank. loved the game, but dropped it right at the end. this one i'll never resume because i loaded an earlier save, it overwrote my main save and i lost 3~4 hours of progress. i had done all the things to fight the "final boss", both characters were heading there already. my progress was at 65% completion or something, but i'm assuming it only goes 100% for completionists since that felt like the end of the game. But redoing those 4 hours? nope, bye game. it's been fun, but too long. As someone who has played all sorts of games extensively, i COMPLETELY lost my stamina to play a game hours at an end. i usually stop after an 1 hour session. if i play 2 hours, i already feel like i wasted my day and get super tired. so a 40 hour game will take me MONTHS to finish. that's just... no. i don't want it.

[@antepa112]

I disagree that its a problem since there's still variety. We get bad long games (Starfield) and good long games (Elden Ring, RDR 2). We get good short games and bad short games. I think some of these new games are way too short while being too expensive for what you get. I mean look at the new Spiderman games. You can beat one of them in like one or two days. And why would I pay 70$ for Spiderman 2 when I can get a game like Elden Ring and for 40$ which is a way better, longer and a replayable game. Yes I know that it came a year or two before but why would someone eho doesn't have either want to buy a 70$ two day one filled with propaganda when you have a god like game like Elden Ring

[@gamerinatrance3618]

Propaganda?

[@antepa112]

@@gamerinatrance3618 Yes, propaganda.

[@Hugh_Jainus]

Agreed id love more 25 hour rpgs

[@rattlehead999]

Me too. With a compact, dense, content rich world, fun system progressions and minimal menial tasks.

[@ItsAmateurHour101]

Nostalgia simps lol

[@RocBoy374]

Lmao so? Go play something else

[@shobitchouksey3442]

Yup witcher 3 is perfect example that makes long gamea like that or dont make them long at all or make games with so many replayability but shortee game like detroit become human