Modern Horizons 3 brings us one step closer to Yugioh

Truly, us poor blue players are being left with no recourse but to overload this cyclonic rift
#magicthegathering #mtg #mtgcommunity #cardgame #mtgcommander

[@RogueAero]

Player 1 "I cast my 17th and final spell to go 'infinite' and kill the 3 of you!" Player 2 "nibiru"

[@tumage8592]

You not getting to that combo I opened Infib, Ash, Veiler, Ghost belle

[@blaze3422160]

Always play around the rock

[@kenpokid10]

Bro I can't escape the rock even in a different game 😭

[@seifeir6951]

Dw after MH4 there’ll be enough power creep to play through it

[@shark_2283]

One day magic will have a the rock in it too.

[@frandaesquina]

The feeling was "yay, New cards" and now IS "oh fuck New cards"

[@user-nd1ef8xj6d]

Yeah, unfortunately the power creep is too much by now. Also the people I play with don't know any real restrain. I miss the days, when there were more unexpected combos or draws. Now there are so much tutors and ramp it's upsetting

[@JushakF]

@@user-nd1ef8xj6d pretty much every group I've played with frowns upon tutors. They just make games feel samey if they always tutor the same shit every game.

[@kaipography]

Couldn’t have said it better

[@JJMadsen-gc3ux]

Standard sets haven’t quite been ruined yet tho and I really like those spoiler seasons but the commander/ modern sets are just a mess of thoughtless power creep and I hate it

[@toolittletoolate]

@@user-nd1ef8xj6d You should just go full proxy balls to the walls and then they'll either get hooked on cEDH or get over it and start building for flavor and fun over just winning

[@Manny_lol]

Speaking as someone who used to play yugioh regularly, the notion of MTG getting closer to that game is both hilarious and terrifying

[@shadi_112]

Meanwhile there are yugioh players trying to design a gamemode which is closer to commander

[@sharkplay1261]

​@shadi_112 oh my god yes yugioh is too bloody quick or a slow burn against something I can do nothing agains

[@aaronfromlv1552]

Same bruh im just built a commander deck because i was tired of komoney... be a shame if the ruin it

[@ClubbingSealCub]

im very tired of the constant powercreep

[@Walter-fc3uq]

It isn't a creep at this point lol

[@ClubbingSealCub]

@@Walter-fc3uq Yeah. Powerproliferation? Powerrush? Whatever it is I'm tired.

[@onlystamina5932]

Power leap

[@marcoottina654]

@@onlystamina5932 power slap

[@TheSmartCinema]

funny how formats like vintage and legacy are full of 20+ years old cards and are considered the "strongest formats", yet the majority of the community seems to believe the average powerlevel of today is particularly higher than in previous eras/blocks. lol. the day I won't see any old border cards in strong formats ill start to believe that cards today are TRULY as powercrept as people make it out to be...

[@Quantumhailoid]

Can't wait for the vid over the new simic bird commander.

[@maldhound]

Bruh

[@kindredspirit9703]

@@Brackish-777 Okay, but this one can actually finish a game on time

[@Pluto137]

My favorite is simic and yeah that bird is a bit fucked up

[@TheTransforcer]

Because someone had the brilliant idea that putting annihilator X on a COLORLESS card was what mtg needed.

[@toddpacker1015]

Animar 👁️👄👁️

[@UniversalJuan]

Where the X is equal to +1/+1 counters...FUCKING +1/+1 COUNTERS! Are they fucking serious?!?!

[@terrynichols4509]

My friend and I both agree that annihilator is the worst ability in the game. Flavor wise for the eldrazi it's cool and makes sense for what the eldrazi do in story. BUT it is a stupid af mechanic. It is one of the most unfun abilities to go against. I'd rather deal with someone using an Eminence commander.

[@LibertyMonk]

I'm with you, but why are you emphasizing colorless when the ability literally only appears on colorless. Unless you count Slivdrazi, which isn't real and can't hurt you.

[@terrynichols4509]

​@LibertyMonk At this point I'm surprised they haven't made that card real

[@N.S.M.C1999]

As an original Yu-Gi-Oh player to magic player as a 5 years I would say playing MTG arena brawl already feels like Yu-Gi-Oh sometimes

[@RNG-esus]

What's the difference between brawl and commander? I've been interested recently about maybe getting into arena but I've never played it. All I know is brawl is the commander type mode

[@jmanwild87]

​@RNG-esus Brawl is a 1v1 format. Unlike commander every planeswalker legal in the format can be your commander, you start at 25 life and depending on the format you deal with alchemy cards

[@Innate47i1]

@@jmanwild87 kind of… brawl is a format where players build 60-card decks using only cards currently legal in Standard. Decks are only allowed to contain one copy of each card, aside from basic lands. Decks are built around a "commander" which can be any Legendary creature or Planeswalker currently legal in Standard. In multiplayer everyone’s life starts at 30. Brawl arena is only 1v1

[@jmanwild87]

@Innate47i1 dunno what brawl you're looking at because last i checked the supported brawl comes in 2 varieties and both Are mtg Arena only. One version has cards only legal in standard. The other is that every card on Arena is legal. Regardless, it is a 100 card singleton format where any legal legendary creature or planeswalker can be your commander. All cards in your deck must follow your commander's color identity, and all cards except basic lands can only be run at 1. Life totals start at 25. It's a 1v1 format

[@Innate47i1]

@@jmanwild87That is “Historic Brawl on Arena, but brawl in itself isn’t just a 1v1 digital format. WotC makes physical brawl products that are encouraged to be played in multiplayer and life starts at 30 if you play with more than two players. It’s just not a popular format at all with commander being king.

[@idenongoncalves4398]

Got into magic because i wasn't liking the direction yugioh was going and decided to try a slower, more diverse card game. Well, dam.

[@reeely6245]

Come to the Pokémon Tcg, cheap and slower games

[@idenongoncalves4398]

@@reeely6245 ngl i've been tempted, i checked the prices and even competitive decks are so much cheaper

[@zirilan3398]

Try PreModern

[@idenongoncalves4398]

@@reeely6245 ngl i've been tempted, even competitive decks are so cheap compared to mtg and yugioh.

[@pascalsimioli6777]

Thing is, ygo was always a badly designed game. With magic you can still not use new cards and build decks from 30 years of a good card game. Which yugioh never was.

[@gregperianayagam4522]

As a yugioh player i am offended but happily accept that stray

[@DrAiPatch]

To be fair there is a 3rd option......... stun.

[@edpaolosalting9116]

Stun/Floodgating is also a Yugioh strategy.

[@syrelian]

@@edpaolosalting9116 Stax and Rule of Law shit say hi, the exact mechanisms vary but the core sentiment of "NO" is eternal

[@yamiangelous]

way to fix it is banning most of the "current" meta lists.....and feet...people say the roach is bad NAH! feet made the power creep insane because if a card can't plus you if it's been negated whats the point? Its why branded as good as it is....still ain't that great.

[@ilshail153]

MH4 or 5 are either going to be where magic becomes yu-gi-oh, or where they'll have had a universes beyond *with* yu-gi-oh that will accomplish the same thing

[@ymmijx6061]

there are a couple cards in this set that are just 100% yugioh card design. trap effects from grave on otherwise medium cards, free counterspells. the works

[@iamabucket13]

Interestingly, Yugioh is slowly leaving behind the wombo-combo "vomit your entire deck onto the field" decks in favor of lower to the ground but recursive decks. Sadly, we do still experience that same kind of power creep they use to sell sets like obscenely powerful archetypes and high-rarity must-play staples.

[@VivaLaDnDLogs]

I've played numerous games of Master Duel where my opponent's first turn takes so long I've gotten up, showered, gotten dressed, eaten breakfast, come back, and they're still going. 50% of the time they concede after all that nonsense.

[@stephenpatts90]

^ not at all remotely true I play the tcg and online and that's all people play is vomit your entire deck I win haha hah t1 trash lol

[@stephenpatts90]

@VivaLaDnDLogs bro same that's what I'm saying. This dude is a Yugioh pr bot fr fr

[@relic5752]

Have you not played lately? It's a tier zero format; try-hards are either playing expensive af Snake-eyes or specially crafted anti-meta.

[@syrelian]

@@relic5752 And Snake-Eyes stuff, and the things its mixed with, are not turn-1 fortress boards, they very much are recursive value grind decks that rely on choking you out of the game over turns even if you can blast some pieces and get some things down

[@PimpShrimpin420]

I came to magic last year after leaving yugioh for the same issue, I hate to hear that people are thinking commanders getting closer to that yugioh power creep

[@Nukesnipe]

It's been going on for ages, we had a period where the standard ban list was starting to look like yugioh. Just look at how much stuff got banned from Eldraine through Zendikar Rising.

[@maldhound]

It’s certainly not there yet, but one little step at a time we are getting there

[@zombiemanjosh]

In the same boat as you, Tearlaments vs Kashtira was a tipping point for me. I wouldn't deal with another Tier 0 format and not for that long. I'd much rather pick up some universes beyond or commander masters precons or slap together a 100 card pile of MTG history and play one game for 2+ hours than sit for 10-15 minutes debating on letting them finish their turn before I scoop and go to game 2 all while playing 1 of 3 decks I don't like but have to play to stand a chance of getting past turn 2 into the mythical third or fourth turns of a YGO game.

[@leopardbunny]

​@@zombiemanjoshDamn, YGO really has gotten that bad, huh?

[@zombiemanjosh]

@@leopardbunny Unfortunately. It has ups and downs but the format of the game/what decks are viable is almost entirely dependent on what Konami's marketing department put in the next few sets. It's as close to them making it pay-to-win as they can without just directly selling 3-card playsets of secret rares for the same $360 you'd pay on the secondary market. That's part of why I *LOATHE* that MSRP nonsense with Wizards and them being worried about the value of reprints and how they affect the secondary market. *IT'S NOT YOUR PLACE WOTC!* THE POINT OF REPRINTS IS TO *LOWER* THE VALUE, NOT TO CHARGE US MORE BECAUSE YOU WANT A PIECE OF THE MARKET VALUE! YOU CONTROL THE SUPPLY, YOU AVARICIOUS CORPORATE FUCKSTAINS!

[@benjamintim3542]

I'm sorry, did I just see an Eldrazi with "Annihilator X for counters?" Lovely. I did wake up this morning thinking that Green Ramp Elzdrazi just wasn't strong enough

[@JindraAG]

Yes you did. And its the SANE new Titan.

[@terrynichols4509]

Hey man, you joined the club where we all wish we were hallucinating that card

[@cax1175]

Who needs green for ramp? Colorless itself has you covered.

[@terrynichols4509]

@@cax1175 so many people talk like green is best for ramp. "Colorless in the corner with its 30 mana rocks"

[@benjamintim3542]

@@terrynichols4509 the worst part about the greens is that they run all the colorless crimes, too

[@Jake-kr7nx]

Every day we take one step closer to YuGiOh and one step further from the light.

[@benjaminmark9250]

The set has more impactful cards for commander in it than cards that will even be played in modern. Even fewer cards that will have any real impact on the format. This is commander horizons.

[@terrynichols4509]

Commander eldrazi III

[@Havlark]

as a person who runs painter's servant in my Jaya Ballard deck, im stoked to see all the new eldrazi players find out their spells and permanents aren't colorless

[@codysing1223]

(colorless/devoid) a color? What are you saying... For a friend 😂

[@syrelian]

@@codysing1223 "Devoid" renders the card as "Colorless" for spell synergies, but does not actually strip away the fact that it has colored mana in its cost

[@codysing1223]

@@syrelian oh! That's right! Because it still has a color identity.

[@arcticshade1]

@@codysing1223 Painter's Servant is a scarecrow creature from Shadowmoor that when it etb's the caster chooses a color and every permanent on the field, cards not in play(libraries, hands, etc.), and spells (the stack) become the chosen color in addition to any others. So all Eldrazi and Devoid are now the chosen color, even in hand or even if cascaded to.

[@zombiemanjosh]

As a player who left YGO after staying loyal for decades for the greener MTG Commander pastures due to the Tearlament vs Kashtira Catastrophe, this idea fills me with dread.

[@leopardbunny]

I'm gonna be honest, even as a die-hard lover of Commander, I'd argue that a casual multiplayer format where players intentionally play suboptimally being the most popular format is a sign that something was already deeply wrong with the game to begin with, at least from an accessibility standpoint if nothing else.

[@lancesmith8298]

@@leopardbunnyYou’re not wrong, but the reasoning you gave is. A casual meme format where nobody has to buy cards to play is a solid sign that Magic is too expensive (and unprofitable as a pro player) to play in any other format that doesn’t allow printers or is a mobile game. Every time I look at Standard, I just see people trying very hard to make that set’s draft chaff functional. The most engaging format to play is the one that costs money every time, even online, and is a worse roguelike than fifty things on Steam/Itchio.

[@leopardbunny]

Admittedly, to some degree Commander will have a fair bit of life left to it even after all this, I think. People intentionally play suboptimally for the sake of just having a good ol' time making silly ideas for decks, and if the low end of a commander deck is brought up a bit while the top end doesn't end up too affected, that may not be a bad thing, as in a four player game, being able to compete at all gives you a chance to win. But we'll have to see.

[@EHyde-ir9gb]

Everything approaches the Yu-Gi-Oh singularity. That's just the nature of entropy. Yugioh looked at the safeguards against power creep other games took and said "Lol. lmao."

[@Tracker947]

No, this isn't by nature, this is a conscious design choice to push sales.

[@TaverickMama]

@@Tracker947 it kindof is an eventuality for any eternal format without an insane amount of bans. even if they kept the net power level the same between sets, people would still take the best cards from each set as commander staples. instead of the 10yr ygo destiny we're looking at now maybe it would be pushed back to 30 years... but its still an eventuality.

[@Tracker947]

@TaverickMama Look at the new Ulamog and tell me "it's an eventuality" and not a design choice. There is a HUGE difference between printing good cards and printing blatantly power crept cards. Staples SELDOMLY broke the mould of older sets for YEARS, and for the most part older cards and older formats were actually much more powerful. NOW, that trend is slowly turning around as newer cards are continuing to be more and more pushed.

[@AmbrotosArkhon]

​@@Tracker947It's both an eventuality and a design choice in eternal formats. The only way to prevent it from happening is to either introduce rotations where groups of cards become phased out, making it no longer eternal, or to ban a large swath of cards and continue to do so vigorously every set. The card pools in a format act as an organism and eternal formats like commander especially grow like cancer.

[@Tracker947]

@AmbrotosArkhon The average power level of cards has skyrocketed, that is the issue. There were *decades* where this wasn't an issue, and the oldest cards were generally the strongest as it was a deliberate design and balancing choice not to print cards of a similar power as they learned more and matured as a company. That wisdom is frankly not present anymore, and the trouble began (albeit slowly) when the Wizards started printing specifically for commander in mind. The oldest cards being the strongest tended to naturally balance the format as well, as the price acted as a natural filter, which slowed the arms race of playgroups.

[@otterfire4712]

Modern Horizons could have been an opportunity to offer affordable reprints to meta decks in Modern, offering fresh alt arts and foils for older players.

[@Sona_Buvelle]

Not "could have been". No. That's what Modern Horizons 3 SHOULD have been.

[@otterfire4712]

@@Sona_Buvelle I said could have in reference to all Modern Horizons.

[@sammysammyson]

I think the worst part about the pessimistic side of me regarding current Magic design is that sometimes they hit the nail on the head with a wonderful and fun design that's in just the right spot for casual play. It's both a breath of fresh air and a haunting reminder, y'know?

[@LibertyMonk]

They make a lot of well designed fun cards. But they also use their powers for evil.

[@jdworlow]

Had to rewatch for the content because I spent half the video trying to identify the books behind MaldHound. Paolini and Sanderson, you sir, are a true man of culture.

[@martinfabian2744]

That is why in Magic: The Gathering Commander is Rule 0. Discuss the type of game you want. But power creep is a thing again, and games ending by turn 4, 5, or 6 is a waste of time for me.

[@thatepicwizardguy]

Counterspells continue to become more and more valuable... and graveyard deletion for people trying to cheat out big dumb stuff remains mandatory. Feelsbadman. That being said shit like Voja and Dogmeat exist and can brutally massacre eldrazi decks so... this is just the world we live in now.

[@davidhobbs5679]

Honestly, counterspells and exile instants are at least going to add an element of stability that yugioh doesn't have. That said it's still pretty shit. Magic needs to learn the lessons of yugioh and avoid power creep. It ruins the game.

[@davidevans7477]

Wait how is dogmeat broken? Some of the auras in the deck are strong, but the stand alone commander? I can see Voja, in a non competitive setting, but I don't see Dogmeat.

[@tonysmith9905]

@@davidevans7477 Bro the guy is complaining that counter spells and interaction are mandatory. He's a casual baby that doesn't like when opponents spend 10 mana to try and win the game with a fair card. Ignore him. He just wants to durdle around for hours with their fatties just staring at one another.

[@azelia2464]

I'd hate to have to change my decks up just to compete with people that might possibly be playing new extremely overpowered cards. It really does suck.

[@PrecursorIdeliron]

Oh god, the realization that Magic is rapidly approaching the Board Breaker Singularity. Just one Evenly Matched or Lighting Storm sort of card that’s colorless and oops, welcome to YuGiOh, the suffering is the same, we just have more anime!

[@syrelian]

Cyclonic Rift But Better

[@wickederebus]

MTG's manga that has been in Japan for years is finally getting an official English print.

[@BenderSnake]

​@@wickederebusit's not even a bad manga, just a romantic comedy with the two protagonists playing Magic in '98 and ' 99. The over the top MtG manga was Duel Masters and it became it's own thing

[@Blitz4Game]

Something a lot of people don’t know is that a big part of the yugioh singularity is that every boss monster has built in protection from everything we haven’t seen this in mtg so I’m still very optimistic

[@The_Arisen]

Not to mention yugioh lacks set rotations, formats, and is in magic term, tribal (archetype) centered in terms of card design.

[@PlanetGeoOG]

I mean they are putting ward on so many things now so it’s still getting closer in that respect as well. Just far more slowly

[@Blitz4Game]

@@PlanetGeoOG this can actually be an argument for optimism as wotc is going out of their way to retcon broken mechanics like hexproof but I see your point it is a bit concerning.

[@Blitz4Game]

@@The_Arisen the fact I could never draft a yugioh box is telling of how much better wotc is running other formats I don’t mean to rag on the game as I am fond of Yugioh it felt short sighted in its development

[@syrelian]

@@Blitz4Game Yeah, YGO used to be a lot more draftable but that was ages ago when xeno-locks were uncommon and archetype/tribal synergies weren't make or break for cards, back when "warrior pile featuring The Good Stuff" was a completely solid deck instead of your casual fun pile

[@dely9999]

As a Yugioh and Magic player i must say that's the most acurate explanation of Yugioh actual state: Infinite combos that all end the same way "NO" Hello friendly reminder because it seems that some people don't know what a metaphor is... guys when i said infinite combos i don't mean REAL INFINITE COMBOS JUST LONG ONES... It's something called Exageration... and you can noticed it if you are able to read 2 more words and see that i literally said INFINITE COMBOS THAT ALL END... HOW THA FRICK IS SOMETHING INFINITE GOING TO END IF I WAS LITERAL? AND THAT WASN'T THE MAIN IDEA OF THE COMMENT THE WHOLE POINT WAS HOW THEY END THAT'S WHY IS WRITE ON CAPITAL... BUT I GUESS IS TRUE... YUGIOH PLAYERS CAN'T READ

[@PoeticMistakes]

Dude. Yugioh literally designs the game to avoid infinite combos. Long ones? Absolutely. Infinite? No.

[@dely9999]

@@PoeticMistakes Bro is an exageration of course there's no infinite combos even if there was they aren't infinite because they finish when the game finish

[@dely9999]

@@PoeticMistakes if you read you will see that i said infinite and end... HOW IN THE WORLD WOULD AN INFINITE THING END... well because the infinite part wasn't seriously

[@mrflores6327]

No, we hav you knw what "you triggered my trapped card, now you can't use spell, monster & mayb trap cards

[@-rolyat44]

​@@dely9999me and my six sams would beg to differ 😂

[@icansavehiphop]

its almost like weve all been saying printing for commander cards in general is not a good idea. thanks wotc

[@TheTransforcer]

I’m very familiar with the latter game play. Been on the receiving end a saddening number of “farewell”s.

[@toasti1]

I see the Aragon book in the back lol

[@Sbaskerville]

Take this with a large grain of salt as I have been a life long spike. But I have actually vehemently disliked how so many sets in recent memory have been glorified commander bait. So having a set that isn't to worried about tossing grenades into commander because the set is aimed at modern is cool with me.

[@retronymph]

Unfortunately the set is also aimed squarely at commander, at times at odds with its intended target of modern. Remember Hogaak? That was supposed to be just for commander.

[@maldhound]

My concern is that is DOES have a ton of grenades tossed into commander, many of them just aren’t grenades that win the game. They are things that constantly push the pace of games without being visibly overboard enough to think about banning them, which leads to the power creep I mentioned.

[@vittoriosavian9964]

The problem is that noone has a common consensus on what "Casual" means.

[@lancesmith8298]

If it’s just “I’m gonna do something strong but with a silly hat”, that’s not casual, that’s just being a poser. Casual is “I know this deck is jank, and I don’t care”. “Wearing hats kindred” is casual. A Kenrith deck where every non-land has to be no more than 2 copies of a letter of the alphabet is casual (and a real EDHREC article). My terrible take on Hazeon that tries to gift people Deserts on top of the pocket sand treatment is probably going to end up casual. There’s nothing wrong with the cards being mildly better versions of niche crap (like baby Marionette Maker), but the culture Wizards enforces by, ironically, making sure no Timmy gets left behind, and every generically strong thing has ward, card draw, and a McDonalds coupon

[@migobrain]

Exactly, commander has been "vomit my deck" since day one, is just the people at the table that prevent that, new cards don't change that while ad nauseum decks and storm decks have been a thing from the beginning

[@PlantedZombie]

At this point I don't feel bad about using proxies.

[@LeahChea-xq6lu]

So you have reached nirvana 😌

[@zetta-slow-gobbo]

I will still support a local shop for like the precons that are hella fun but all upgrades are proxies now. I am done paying $4+ for a single piece of cardboard that just got to that price bc of one combo or set

[@krunchyapples]

​@@zetta-slow-gobboI got to the decision to start using proxies for exactly this reason. Because they keep releasing a set or precons every two months and there's always guaranteed to be several cards in there that people find out you can combo with an older card to make it broken and suddenly that older card that was stable at around $1 or so is suddenly $15 almost overnight. It's fkn bonkers

[@zetta-slow-gobbo]

@@krunchyapples The Izzet cowgirl deck freaking made a 0.10c card jump to $10. Its fuggin insane

[@simplyprism5854]

​@@zetta-slow-gobbo yeah your talkimg about "Cerulean Wisps" i had 2 of those and sold them as soon as they spiked in price lmao. I dont play blue, blue is for losers

[@griffinforsgren7720]

As a Yugioh player, I need to ask if you're trying to keep your Blue player instincts in check any. In which case, don't. Be that Blue player that says no to anything they can. If you give a Yugioh player an inch, they'll take a mile, so you need to preemptively stop omninegate boards via handtraps.

[@BeebleBoof]

I switched to yugioh for a bit and then came back to magic and I swear Yugioh somehow made me a better magic player.

[@danielbritt7153]

Or… hear me out. Don’t. I left yugioh because it was so oppressive and games are over too quickly. The card design for some of the mh3 cards is crazy and moves towards games that are one sided rather than competitive

[@NostalgicOccultist]

@@danielbritt7153 There's always the option of just not playing against meta? No one at my locals can even afford a meta deck, the most modern thing anyone here plays is Ashened and it's a lot weaker than most Edison decks. The strongest deck we have between us is Suships. *Suships.*

[@syrelian]

@@BeebleBoof YGO lacks a lot of the universal power-limiter systems other TCGs use to throttle gameplay, instead more heavily relying on the most fundamental resources of a card game Life, Cards, and Bodies, so you become a lot more aware of how to spend and use those, which I think translates well to other games even if adapting to lands and mana can be really stifling and awkward for some

[@NightWing1800]

As a yugioh fan, you forget the third option of putting up floodgates so obscene a blue player would blush and then hoping that the 40 bricks your opponent has doesnt come with any literal bricks for you.

[@lancesmith8298]

And as a Magic fan, it’d be incredibly funny and possibly based if all the power creep in the world leads us to all playing Lantern Control

[@soup3583]

If only Yu-Gi-Oh stun was like lantern control at least (requires brain power)

[@wickederebus]

@@soup3583 Runic + Goddess Skuld's Oracle requires brain power. I have to stack the top 3 of your deck to give you a dead draw every turn, while I exile cards from the top of you deck as a bonus effect for just using my removal spells. Imagine a Demonic Tutor for a series of cards, that also Exiles the top card of you opponent's Library. or an Artifact/Enchantment destruction effect that Exiles them for 4.

[@minhkhangtran6948]

@@soup3583Mystic Mine was the closest thing Yugioh have to Lantern Control actually, and it was a miserable time all around. Thanks god that card is banned

[@shawnpanzegraf5642]

Gotta say, I know in my heart it’s not good for my color, yet I know in my soul I don’t have what it takes to resist Fanatic of Rhonas. Evolution Witness is gonna be great, and I’m sure I’ll buy an Ulamog the Defiler just to shit on the Thoracling Counter-Removal Pile or Boardwipe Tribal deck that makes me feel unduly salty. You’re spitting facts, Mald. We’re just all moths drawn to the flame.

[@casually_lurking]

We've gone full Yugioh good syr; this is the tame s*** compared to the next couple of years.

[@DarkeLourd]

Coming to MTG in Universes Beyond: Yu-Gi-Oh! Nibiru, the Primal Being Legendary Creature - Alien Egg 5CCC If your opponent cast 5 or more permanent spells this turn, you may pay 0 rather than this spell's mana cost. Flash When you cast ~, exile all nonland permanents. When ~ enters the battlefield, your opponent creates a tapped X/X Alien creature token, where X is the combined mana value of all cards exiled by ~. 3/3

[@ThorsShadow]

Oh awesome, I get a 3/3 and my opponent gets a 15/15 or whatever for EIGHT MANA. A 3/3. You exile EVERYTHING and your opponent gets a giant creature from it while you are left with a 3/3 and nothing else. PLUS, if your opponent counters the thing being cast, the trigger still goes off, destroys everything and your opponent still gets his potentially giant egg creature while you get nothing. What the fuck is this supposed to be? Are you just bad at designing things or is this referencing a random YGO card?

[@shuiguilp621]

​@@ThorsShadowThey're referring to a YGO card, yes. Nibiru is pretty commonly used in a lot of decks and is a decent board wipe that can usually be played without a problem before the opponent has a chance at using whatever board they built.

[@behemoth9543]

​​​@@ThorsShadowI don't think you quite understand the point of the card. You remove everything for 0 mana after they spent their turn comboing and leave them with nothing but a vanilla beatstick you can easily block. Their hand is empty or low on cards, their gameplan impacted in a major way and you are able to combo off in YOUR turn. Its a card thats only remotely powerful if people are doing a ridicolous number of things on their turn to win in 1 or 2 turns and singular creatures that are JUST big are near worthless because they're so easy to remove, a state that Yu-Gi-Oh is in right now and MTG is drawing closer to.

[@jmanwild87]

​@@behemoth9543also nibiru should force sacrifice not exile if we're doing a 1 to 1 translation

[@92Roar]

@@ThorsShadow the fact you don’t see how powerful that is just showcases that MTG is still in a hopeful state In YuGiOh, id happily give my opponent a vanilla monster with infinite attack and defence for this effect. The immediate disruption of their board and combo means that many decks can’t do much for the rest of their turn Which is enough time for me to then do my turn and win the game. You have to think of the game as a one round each effect. Giving your op opponent a giant monster isn’t an issue because if they’re alive when it’s their turn again to use it you’ve lost anyway. THATS what people are afraid of MTG becoming, and I’m right there with them

[@Did_No_Wrong]

What kills me is that Modern Horizons 3 is a good set, but its so clear this commander focused. Why are there commander precons in MODERN HORIZONS which is supposed to be a modern focused set. Even most of the promos and leaks are focused on legendary creatures.

[@X20Adam]

As someone who's played Yu-Gi-Oh consistently since 2017, the number of infinite combos in Magic absolutely blows my mind. We ban most of those in Yu-Gi-Oh lol

[@TylerSmith-ge6lm]

I actually quit playing Yugioh cuz literally having to build a huge negate board and that’s the meta is bs

[@ryanderenbecker8837]

MtG infinites tend to be fairer. The resource system helps add tempo to it, it's not just watching someone play Solitaire turn 1

[@josemarioperozofuenmayor3475]

@@TylerSmith-ge6lmyou nnow that hasn’t been the meta in years honestly, and the synchro soup that enabled it just got banned!

[@ImpuneKing]

We cant do them consistently turn 1

[@ryanderenbecker8837]

@@ImpuneKing I'mma need you to define we lol

[@boltzup2274]

Is that ulamog the defiler card confirmed now? Im an eldrazi nut, but that card... that might be a bit much. Saw an early spoiler of it, but it looked fake. If its real im both happy and somewhat terrified/disgusted lol

[@maldhound]

Oh yeah it’s real

[@boltzup2274]

@@maldhound 😬 welp.. time for the boys to hate me even more lol

[@leopardbunny]

Y'know what? For that much mana, sure. At least he'll end the game.

[@lancesmith8298]

It’s gotta be a better spell than Counterspell to be good (defamatory @ Hasbro)

[@TaverickMama]

@@boltzup2274 "thank you for taking the target off our backs" ~Stax enjoyers

[@edpaolosalting9116]

And this is why commander for me so far cannot be replaced in any TCG. With power creep in modern horizons coming in, formats like standard and modern will further alienate or drive people away to commander format or other TCGs because of necessary deck optimization, high prices and card strength.

[@avatarofcloud]

My guy is so stupid he thinks a Horizons set will affect standard.

[@Lightmagician60]

it will take alot to reach the Yugioh singlarity purely because of lands. yugioh became a

[@dorping_Wolf]

yesterday i randomly watched a video about the "Hogaak" time, and therefore makes me question your "land argument". but surely mtg is now days more balanced and though out... is it? just saying once in a while, we are not that far away from yugi tempo

[@totallynotareptilian3453]

I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh player that has recently gotten into magic and I can say that my experience so far has been terrible, I'll admit Yu-Gi-Oh is a faster game but the speed doesn't really matter when you all spend the first 3-4 turns going around in a circle setting lands and maybe playing a card or two only on turn 10 or so to get hit with an infinite that kills everyone. Ftks exist In ygo but they're usually so gimmicky and bad that no one plays then, whereas in magic it seems like if your deck doesn't contain a way to infinite it's a bad deck

[@ARC--5973]

It's hilarious to me when mtg players complain about Yu-Gi-Oh not having a resource system because your precious lands are EASILY the worst core mechanic of MTG. Don't draw enough? You lose cause you can't cast anything. Draw too many? You lose cause you have nothing to cast. "Oh but you can mulligan to get the right amount of lands!" Maybe I'm weird, but being forced to start at a card disadvantage just so I can play doesn't sound appealing. As someone who actively plays both Yu-Gi-Oh and MTG, I don't understand why both sides feel the need to take potshots at each other like this is some proverbial card game pissing match. Both games have their appeals,

[@normieguy3803]

I’ve played a bunch of both games, and I hard agree that lands are fundamentally flawed in magic, there is no feeling less fun than casting a draw 5, followed by a draw 6, seeing no lands in 11 cards despite playing a high ratio, and then just… losing. But unlike yugioh, it’s a slow, painful loss, where you’re always one mana off the card you need to answer your opponents. I enjoy both games, but over my entire time playing magic and yugioh, the amount of times I’ve had a game where I literally was unable to play the game was about the same in both, maybe a little tilted towards magic. Tbh I’ve been getting into F&B recently and it’s really involved, with almost no non-games from my experience so far, and I’m having a blast, so maybe that’s the tcg for me.

[@hatchell18]

@@totallynotareptilian3453build a better deck bro. Add more ramp and mana dorks/tutors. You can easily get a few good things out every game consistently by turn 1-3. If you’re spending 3-4 turns doing nothing but playing lands and then dying your deck sucks no offense.

[@biiill5259]

I like how everyone agrees that yu gi oh has reached. Well I don’t want to say death it’s not a dead game but it’s similar. The end of the line. Power crept to the point that the only way for a new card to be viable is if it instantly wins you the game, gives you a bj and tucks your kids in at night

[@syrelian]

Its not quite that far, part of the appearance of that was just a lack of competition due to power-creep humps around Tear format, we're getting more decks updated and released to that power level so the formats are exiting the Tier 0 situation, but its very much in the right space he alludes where your stuff is either high-value enders or combo material, or its stuff thats stops or breaks boards(Force of Will style Turn 1 negates are very very used)

[@Stopaskingwhyandjustreadit]

​@@syrelianit's not even close - this comment could be written 10 years ago in the middle of BookRuler format and it'd be worded exactly the same.

[@wickederebus]

@@Stopaskingwhyandjustreadit 11 years ago.

[@Anonymous_Eyeballs]

I saw somewhere that the amount of sets WotC sold after they bought the company was astronomical, the path has already been paved. Now we take bets on seeing how long it'll be before MtG turns into Yu-Gi-Oh 2.0

[@MutilatedBunny]

Its taking the casual out of EDH. Its not a format that you throw a bunch of junk cards together and have fun. The instant wizards officially adopted it, is when that started happening. All roads lead to cEDH. Just is what it is. As you collect and upgrade decks logically conclusions on "how can I win?" stop being "make big cresture go sideways". Your upgrades are going to be powerful cards. Oh I really need a cavern of souls so they can stop countering my commander, oh this mox amber really goes good here with my lower cost commander. Eventually you have THE GOOD stuff, and its like "why am I going to run a jank pile?" Which would be fine if people look at other formats as the intended way magic is going to be played. Wizards wants Eldrazi to be a deck in Modern. There are pieces to make it one. Same you see in cEDH, there are a TON of different decks and commanders.

[@leopardbunny]

I've been saying for a while, even as a dedicated commander player, that commander being the primary game format is indicative of something fundamentally wrong with the way the game is handled in recent time.

[@tonysmith9905]

@@leopardbunny No it's not, it's just the coolest way to play the game with a group of friends. The idea of a commander and restricting your deck to it's colors evokes feelings and helps create stories. I'ma tell you right now the majority of the playerbase isn't here on the forums saying you're right or wrong. The actual casuals, the ones that actually keep mtg alive mind you, don't give two thoughts beyond "I like/don't like this product". They either continue to play with the cards they enjoy or toss the ones they don't. They're not on reddit complaining or even praising. They just drop some money on mtg and have fun with their friends at the kitchen table.

[@jamesurbanic1431]

So many cards feel like just intentionally better versions of old good cards, or clickbait like the madness 6 wingdig tentacle monster

[@byotip]

Nada, winged wisdom Simic trying and failing to show restraint (it's twice each turn for each creature)

[@Doug464]

I think that's kind of the issue though. Interest in magic will drop from the people who whale for magic if explicitly more powerful cards aren't printed. Whether it's straight upgrades like the new divination that's just at instant speed or underworld breach which is arguably better than yawgmoth's will or cards that are totally new and have powerful effects on them like dockside extortionist (I know dockside isn't actually very new but it's one of the newer cards to drop)

[@einstein951]

Fwiw Dockside is 5 years old and yet still bloody expensive

[@blue-eyesdepresseddragon3753]

Unironically, do you play YGO as much as Magic? I might be biased but I'd love to see your usual content for any other card game you're interested in.

[@maldhound]

I tried to get into it on master duel, got link or pendulum combo’d a few times straight out of the tutorial and dropped it. I will be trying again though

[@dely9999]

@@maldhound And pendulums are nerfed as fvck so you have seen nothing XD

[@grayw00f]

I see the way of the kings series back there! Such a great read!

[@koragola]

What you described EDH to becoming is what I’ve always thought it was.

[@NinjaTerd473]

You hit the nail right on the head. I've been saying it for a few years now. WotC is gettimg trigger happy with the power creep. It kinda all started around Throne and Theros. I feel like War of the Spark was the last set of an era.

[@greyborg3846]

The people that buy up these sets are pushing the game in that direction though. Everytime wizards prints a set that is slightly underpowered on average, or even just power stable nobody buys any of it and then those that did are whining about how they got stuck with all of these cards and they're worthless. Then when they print a high powered set the collectors and resellers are all like "I'll take an entire shipping container!" The sales are pushing the power creep.

[@slasheztech5390]

​​@@greyborg3846 true. This is what happen with Murders at Karlov Manor. It did really poorly despite being a fun and balanced set. It did poorly because the power level wasn't high enough

[@matthew3021]

I got a little sad looking at the busted one mana creatures

[@VivaLaDnDLogs]

I remember when MTG was a game where you played a card because it had high power and/or toughness, and if it had an ability too, you felt invincible. I miss empty space on cards.

[@dameonpigeon2736]

I can’t wait for my boy Raff, weatherlight stalwart to see the modern horizon for the 3rd time

[@yaboislurp]

Honestly the yugioh card development recently being: 1. Perform a 5 minute combo to stop your opponent playing the game, 2. Wait 5 minutes to lose after your opponent plays through the only interactions you had, or 3. Set 4-5 cards and pass on a floodgate or 2

[@BeaglzRok1]

The newest Simic value engine Nadu breaks Lightning Greaves in half, and I'm over here adding select energy cards to my Lae'zel deck. I left YGO for a reason, damn it.

[@soloist_dee4587]

The yugioh statement is pretty on point as someone who was familiar with it before I was with magic, with one key difference. In Yugioh, there’s extraordinarily few infinites due to the boardstate being finite, and Magic has no such luxury. ;w;

[@steeveedragoon]

The only infinites that come to mind are ones like Destiny HERO - Departed and Wanghu, which doesn't actually work based on rulings, and six samurai, which as much as I love it, is a horrendously designed mistake that is easily the most broken deck in the game. Not the best, but easily the most broken.

[@soloist_dee4587]

@@steeveedragoon Six Sam is truly one of the silliest decks of all time. Played one game against it in Master Duel and went "huh, I wonder what this deck does now?" I proceeded to watch my opponent do and infinite storm off combo that theoretically ends on a middling board, but because of how long it takes that I realized at some point there was a possible FTK line in there that I wasn't going to wait to see if they could assemble (it's technically non-deterministic).

[@soloist_dee4587]

Crazy to think that a deck that can do that is, in fact, extremely mid.

[@syrelian]

@@soloist_dee4587 Six Sam infinite should be deterministic, once you're making a profit on Bushido Counters doing loops, you just cash out, oh around 100 of em pumping your monsters and swing for game It was a lot stupider back when the Gateway of the Six was unlimited, so just owning 2 of them let you go infinite with ease

[@kingflame2946]

I'm a Yu-Gi-Oh player the stuff you guys do does not scare me

[@shadowstep1375]

Me seeing them use a bunch of cards just to get mana to play the game: “Look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power.”

[@mr.valeyard8810]

More times than not, you’re right about the Yugioh point. Unless you have meaningful interaction, it’ll inevitably end in one person doing their combo, then getting hit with the Farewell, so on so forth until we all start shouting Ooga Booga and hitting each other with 3 and less power creatures with commander tax being at 5 for everyone

[@ryanderenbecker8837]

I dunno man, shouting OOGA BOOGA sounds like fun to me. Why yes, I do play a lot of decks with Gruul, how did you know?

[@johndoe6449]

“Sneaky Power Creep” My guy I agree with your message but excluding basic lands, 2 years ago about 25% of all cards played in viable modern decks were from MH2 A while ago I decided I just want going to use cards printed after 2016 in commander. At this point I’m so disgusted with how Wizards is shoveling these sets out I’m just not gonna buy new cards at all. Pre-Modern and Pauper here I come.

[@gabrielsmalley9583]

I know we are supposed to be talking mtg, But I see you are a man of class with the Eragon books behind you. A man of quality

[@lancesmith8298]

If I had to pick anything to be mad about, it’s probably just the flip cards and lands in the set. “Yeah, let’s make sure that we can give people 1 mana Planeswalkers, even more DFCs you can’t proxy, and the second coming of Mystic Sanctuary.” The value engines don’t upset me nearly as much as expensive unproxyable crap and overpowered lands every deck should run. It’s the laziest possible way to move product.

[@tonysmith9905]

proxy dfcs via PUT A PROXY IN SLEEVE AND KEEP ONE IN DECK BOX do you use brain?

[@irishhercules9972]

Problem in my pod right meow. There’s no wincons. There’s just not dying. It’s nothing but board wipes and removal. There’s no attacking. No fights. Just 3 hours of people applying removal of some kind while nobody actually swings. Yes. Commander is already “puke first or die”

[@Sevarges27]

I have a few decks from way before magic was like this and my buddy who has a bunch of newer decks SWAMPS me almost Everytime if he takes the duals seriously with his newer decks. It took me over a year to convince him you don't need to kill your opponent within 5-10 turns.

[@benjamintim3542]

Sounds like somebody in your pod needs to crack out a Thantis deck

[@RoxyGotMoxy.]

​@@benjamintim3542or Rakdos, The Defiler with Assault Suit on him 😋

[@tonysmith9905]

@@Sevarges27 "you don't need to kill your opponent within 5-10 turns." Wot? 5 turns is acceptable...but 10? What is wrong with this baby ass community? lmao

[@bruhschwagg490]

inheritance cycle over the shoulder did you read Murtagh yet

[@masqueraid988]

Yeah, when will companies learn you don't let the YGO singularly happen. It makes a barrier to entry very difficult and will cause most of your players to be iffy at best on actually playing or getting outhers to play. What you do is not make generic support with high draw engines. Even the Digimon tcg is running into this problem with yellow vacancie spam and ukkomon as a draw engine.

[@HeraldOfOpera]

Yugioh is somehow still alive, almost solely because nobody else is trying to compete with them for this niche. The market apparently has room for one game with that level of turbo lunacy, but I doubt it has room for much more.

[@masqueraid988]

@HeraldOfOpera yeah, also a lot of it is proper up on nostalgia and alternative formats. But they can't last forever. You can make the turbo lunacy work, you just have to put a lot of effort into makeing deck more interactive. Where turns are a back and forth of chained effects and who can out play that chain.

[@Jimmy-xe5jd]

Not really? Ukko isn’t really a draw engine except in like one Numemon variant and even then Numemon dies to any kind of wide removal. Vaccine is very much beatable if you go tall and aggro enough

[@Jimmy-xe5jd]

Not really? Ukko and Lui (really only Ukko) are used in like 1 Numemon variant and Numemon falls apart to any kind of wide removal

[@masqueraid988]

@@Jimmy-xe5jd I play on stimulator going up to BT-18

[@absolutionveil8632]

You forgot the 3rd path that you could take from the YuGiOh singularity. You play floodgates, or in mtg terms: Azorius

[@jmanwild87]

Or you play Runick in your combo deck at least back when runick was a good engine because it gave Yugioh decks an incredible grind game and is probably the closest Yugioh got to a mtg still control deck. Admittedly a lot of my commander decks in grixis jund and orzhov are like this where they control the board with interaction and either slowly grind the table to paste or get a combo finish. The Flare of Cycle helps that as does the black pseudo Farewell and there's plenty more deck specific options

[@syrelian]

@@jmanwild87 I think nowadays if you wanna play a grindy control tempo style you probably look at like, Labrynth or cook something weird with Snake-Eyes

[@absolutionveil8632]

@@jmanwild87 I uh, I play Esper. So take that info however you want.

[@sipoffinewine5798]

Just remember, kids'. Break The Ice is a great way to make eldrazi cry

[@UniversalJuan]

Hell, I just bought 8 Infernal Reckoning. Modern legal too, I'm anticipating a nice bump

[@eclipsedarksouls6036]

Ooooo the inheritance cycle in the background! Love those books

[@adrianj8370]

True but to be fair the amount of land/removal dual sided peice are gonna let a ton of people access more removal options

[@dragoknighte48]

Commander players already don't play enough lands

[@chandradefiant595]

honestly its just the cost of the sets. its still just cardboard, 15 cards shouldn’t cost more than 6 dollars

[@byronsmothers8064]

Saw a distributor site had MH3 boxes at a bargain price of$###, boasting the price per pack of that offer at $7. On sale, they're twice the price of packs when I started in 2011!

[@robertmcpherson138]

MH3 really feels like a pay to win set... especially as you will need to sell you spleen, left kidney and some poor kids soul to actually fucking afford it.

[@deejayf69]

I love both Yugioh and MTG. However, I wouldn't want EDH/the other formats to be the same as Yugioh.

[@outsider8209]

Ay another person who likes both games, and can definitely agree that the draw of mtg is that its fast enough not to be slow but slow enough to play something more fun than ash & droll to win

[@ARC--5973]

As a fellow player of both I heartily agree. Both games are great, and the snide comments both sides make at each other really annoy me.

[@merrychristmasreaper]

It’s kind of already there. Go load up any matches on mtga. Like honestly commander is the last bastion of a game with any sort of pace and chill lol. Everything else? Staffed with criminals.

[@ArchRaven]

I liked because I saw your book collection

[@anth9845]

Somehow I've never noticed the Inheritance Cycle up there before.

[@benwood4416]

Wizards is destroying commander

[@aang6631]

Three months ago everyone was saying they only wanted to promote commander.

[@behemoth9543]

Its funny how neither modern nor commander players actually seem to want Modern Horizons to have this much of a focus on commander but Wizards just does it anyway. Perhaps the numbers say it works, perhaps its grabbing as much money as possible no matter the impact on the game, perhaps we're a grumpy minority. I don't even know anymore.

[@Jamison-kh5wu]

We have awesome casual decks in my pod because it’s all under 100 dollars

[@joshsandquist6917]

With the progession of the series. It will surely hit that singularity point where it will then collapse and die. Like how i perceive ygo has.

[@syrelian]

Nah YGO is still doing fine, we had some tier 0 formats, and Snake-Eyes Fire King Whatever stuff is looking like its another one, but the game is slowing down ironically, albeit only a bit(lethal is so easy to hit that if your opponent can't match you in the grind game, it still ends quickly enough), and unlike Tear/Kash formats, there's a lot more stuff thats viable but just not The Absolute Best now so variety is up again The power-creep waxes and wanes, and Tearlaments was a very significant bump in card design ideas that lead to very few things being able to keep up for the time, but was also a really fun deck with a lotta skill if you were playing it, and things genuinely are stabilizing after those now

[@lefloidNemesis]

Believe me, we are not even close to the ygo singularity yet, but given wizards' recent track record, we might get there at some point, but i kinda doubt it. It is, however, obnoxious how fast mtg got. I came to this game to experience a slower type of card game, which, when i started, was absolutely true (mtg is not inherently slow, but ygo is absurdly fast-paced). Nowdays though the game is unrecognizably fast, which i wouldn't have issues with if it just affected one or two formats, but it's pretty much across the board, including limited.

[@pewwwwooop]

Came from yugioh to mtg. At least I got draft

[@gungy_vt]

I played a bit of YGO Masterduel when it came out and the game pretty much just being "combo off and become unstoppable" or "draw the out to your opponent doing the former" seems almost on point aside from the lack of the third, and worst, option: "floodgates lmao". Really glad MtG's control isn't nearly as oppressive as YGO's shit that will sometimes near literally say "only I get to play the game".

[@TylerSmith-ge6lm]

Master duel is also a mix of TCG and OCG banlists so it’s way different then paper Yugioh in tcg

[@JordoOfficial001]

shiiiii, standard kinda feels like that already. Either, you combo off an win, or, counter/board wipe an win. VERY RARE does a game go past turn 5-6 in SCAMdard these days.

[@BREAKERisDEAD]

Best way to play commander is any power level other than CEDH. The most fun games Ive had are with budget decks. As for MH3 I split a box with a friend so I dont have to take out a second god damn mortage

[@saintkupo7164]

I said the same. I was laughed at and belittled for it.

[@daemonxblaze]

A card that won't be in this set is probably Eight-and-a-Half-Tails. It's a shame, cuz he's my favorite commander. You should do a video on him .

[@ketchupthatechos6323]

Can wait for the draft booster packs to $15 each by the end of the year

[@CeltiesSin]

It’s just the little things tbh. Do I think the new mana dork is “broken”? Nah, but it does do a subtle and powerful change. Is the new and improved utter-end “broken”? Nah, but why do you get to cast that shit you just popped? Is eviscerators insight “broken”? Nah, but it’s just strictly better than most of its kind. Do I think Six is “broken”? A little, but it’s a legendary so I can forgive that; it’s still now a staple in any GY deck tho. Yugioh ass plays, my dudes 🤷‍♀️

[@jayharyu927]

Every word is true.

[@arnoldjohannfrancisco5641]

All Farewell needs is the equivalent of Dark Ruler No More to match Farewell as Magic’s Evenly Match equivalent.

[@ahyesexistence1586]

And with every new eldrazi card that drops, my friend continues to wonder why I looked him dead in the eye and said I was refusing to play against it....

[@cloudroth6]

Sounds like you are a blast at parties

[@ahyesexistence1586]

@cloudroth6 i am actually! i just don't want to play against something that is shaping up to be broken enough to nearly warrant a cedh deck to fight against when i'm trying to play casual 🤗

[@KristiStClair64]

Seeing the eragon series behind your head just brought me so much geeky joy! I still have the full set from when i was a kid 🖤

[@mechamanexe]

I saw a post complaining about "commander horizons 3" and the top reply to that was something along the lines of "for a non rotating format, do you really want 300 cards specifically for that format to make the "direct to format cards pushing out old cards" problem happen even faster? Because that's how you turn the whole format on it's head even more than previous horizons sets." That post getting attention and then that particular reply getting the most attention just makes me feel like they can't win. People don't want the non rotating format to get a ton of cards thrown into it, but then when they don't only get cards made for that format, they're kinda pissy as well. (It should be noted I'm a commander player so this doesn't bug me much personally, and I feel like the common sentiment seems to be "wotc making direct to (format) sets or supplemental product shouldn't continue being made/have been made as it power creeps things way too fast/makes deck building too linear or easy" but we are way past that point so we kinda gotta roll with it or just vote with our wallets)

[@owenmeany6482]

Glad someone said it

[@jackehstil7945]

Don't get me wrong I play both, but let's not let mtg become ygo... Then again Im to broke to actually pay for product so that's my b

[@goldsocks9999]

You either die a good game or live long enough to become Yugioh

[@ARC--5973]

This statement falsely implies that Yu-Gi-Oh is a bad game

[@lukacardno527]

This is why I have been playing less and less commander. Sometimes high power commander is fun, but it is often expensive and difficult to play. I wish the power creep would go down.

[@NachoTheDog]

I’ve honestly just kinda slowly drifted further and further away from cards. I’ve come to the conclusion that each time a friend gets me back into magic it’s cursed. So I will now enjoy everyone’s magic suffering through a screen and look at my decks like war medals

[@jayjaydeth]

Remember kids, you can play Crashing Drawbridge in any deck if you don't want to wait to be Farewelled.

[@dislikebutton9571]

Fr people really sleep on crashing drawbridge, that card is basically anger but can go in any deck.

[@ThePsycheWard]

The eragon books on the shelf let me know this is a true man of culture

[@underscore____4060]

Love the eragon books in the background