Modern Sonic Is TOO FAST

Gotta go fast!
BUT NOT TOO FAST!
The modern style of gameplay is REALLY fast, and it's all fun and good.
But I can't help but think about some of the negative aspects it brings to the series.
With the increased speed, many other aspects had to be compromised.
In this video we go over the history of Sonic's speed, how it evolved, and where it can go from here.
-----Table of Contents-----
0:00 Bit
0:30 Intro
2:14 Modern Sonic's Speed
3:16 Sonic is Too Fast
3:46 Drawbacks
6:48 The Sweetspot in Speed
8:44 Fan Games
10:38 Conclusion
11:15 Outro
11:54 End Screen
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[@TeamAPS]

As a huge lifelong Sonic fan, I'v been binging this channel for the last hour and yet to be disappointed. Keep up the great work, my man! 👊🏾

[@chaomix]

Thanks!! 😁

[@lauridsen1381]

Damn man you're here? Always fun having a subscribed to channel crossover in the comments

[@CryoComedy]

Yesss I binged it like a month ago and loving it

[@ashketchum6585]

I think the Adventure style + large areas and scenery + Sonic's friends + a little more momentum would probably be a perfect Sonic game

[@apollyon6855]

+& knuckles

[@Adam-go7dw]

so basically a non rushed sonic 06

[@ashketchum6585]

@@Adam-go7dw yes

[@blackcat2333]

@@ashketchum6585 i think you'd like p-06

[@ashketchum6585]

@@blackcat2333 yes I do 😎

[@BillehBawb]

you are the first sonic fan ever to actually have consistent good opinions, looking forward to your new videos

[@chaomix]

Thank you! 😃 Trying to do at least 1 video per week.

[@ThatsATHICC_RAY]

You sure do know a lot about bad opinions, “blue spheres is bad” guy

[@AK46supr]

Ah so only opinions that align with yours it seems. I think someone can have a fine opinion while also disagreeing with almost every statement.

[@ThatsATHICC_RAY]

@@AK46supr It’s a joke.

[@AK46supr]

@@ThatsATHICC_RAY wha? No not you the main comment

[@SBMBMPSPPS69]

When the cat jumped in: *Best Friend Named Tails*

[@geniuskhan2520]

All roads lead to Sonic Adventure

[@techno5468]

Sonic is not about boosting but about momentum. Momentum is the key in making Sonic fast and there needs to be a balance. Going off of the limits can cause some problems. Boost is far from bad but at the same time not quite ideal.

[@techno5468]

Everything you said in this video makes perfect sense

[@vinkennest3274]

I like the boost trilogy more than the adventure games But thats cause im a speedrunner.

[@RaiginAnimator]

Sonic is about speed. It always has been I’m not saying the boost games are objectively Better but Too many fans disregard them like they’re mistakes

[@DigblizzFTW]

I've recently been replay Adventure 1 and I love the speed in that game. Spin dashing can accelerate you alot but you still have so much control, the biggest issues is the camera and collision which is way the game seems so glitchy. Obviously all those things won't be an issue now so I really hope they do go with the adventure formula for the next game.

[@BlastKetchup]

yes! That's the thing i like about that game

[@SonicCentral]

Chaomix out with another great one. Absolutely love the content man. 🙏

[@chaomix]

Thanks, that means a lot! 😎

[@idunnowhoiam5894]

@@chaomix one thing I have got to say is your opinions are actually pretty right and I don’t know why these videos don’t get as many views

[@chaomasterzero4610]

@@idunnowhoiam5894 he only Really started 2 weeks ago he is doing really

[@crispy9542]

S

[@remmy626]

Hi central

[@freyaljones7368]

I miss the adventure era I think that was a perfect balance

[@bigfishafro6343]

I think the boost formula can work well but you have to have good level design and smooth controls

[@bigfishafro6343]

Personally I don’t like the adventure controls because sometimes when they make it more narrow and that doesn’t work well Also when they go fast sonic turns instantly In the boost formula the turning is too wide but they kind of fix that with the drift but the bad controls doesn’t really matter with the level design

[@bigfishafro6343]

Also the collision is bad

[@jamiegioca9448]

@@bigfishafro6343 It's all about -speed- refinement

[@bigfishafro6343]

@@jamiegioca9448 yeah

[@JustAnotherMike_]

I think people forget that high top speed and acceleration isn't the *only* way to give that sense of speed. Slowing Sonic's top speed down, but giving him an expansive moveset so that he can overcome/avoid obstacles without being forced to slow down or lose momentum would still keep him feeling fast Look at Mario Odyssey or even 64 for an example with all the dives, rolls, and wall jumps that pros do, especially in speed runs. Mario feels quick, nimble, and unstoppable and I think the same idea can apply to the Blue Blur _The key is to make Sonic feel nimble, agile and athletic._ If you do that by giving him lots of movement options, I do sincerely believe that he'll feel really fast and fun to control, even if his top speed isn't as high as the Boost games. I think it's very important for his character and game feel that we get that sense of agile athleticism in his moveset, abilities, and animations _side note: I think Heroes is really close to ideal Sonic speed and control. Just a tad overturned in the speed, acceleration and control sensitivity, but lower each just by a _*_little_*_ bit and I think he'd feel just about perfect. Though SA2 is still my favorite due to the spindash, bounce bracelet, etc. Like I said in my main point _*_more movement options_*

[@JustAnotherMike_]

Important to note, that much like Mario, those movement options have to be useful, fast, and flow nicely with each other and main gameplay. They have to be purposefully designed for common situations and to mesh together well; so they can't be too niche Otherwise they just feel like a gimmick like Lost World's parkour system

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

The adventure games have better stories because those games have multiple characters to work with. The boost games only have Sonic, and Eggman most of the time.

[@BitchChill]

They're still not very good through

[@superhedgehog6447]

@@BitchChill Yeah, your opinion. Not fact

[@BitchChill]

@@superhedgehog6447 It's a fact

[@superhedgehog6447]

@@BitchChill No, it's a opinion. If you think the adventure games is trash than fine. But remember YOUR OPINION. To me the adventure games ARE NOT perfect by any means necessary. But there still fun games to play.

[@BitchChill]

@@superhedgehog6447 I'm talking about the "Stories"

[@littenfire3563]

I miss the Adventure era of stories and gameplay and yeah I feel like Generations was the best Boost game

[@meowsquared]

Lemme hit y'all with a Sonic game concept that I've been stewing over for a few days now: Imagine a game with co-op potential where Sonic's friends have certain specialties that they can use to blow open a region for Sonic to run through. -Knuckles could specialize in tracking down certain objectives, and would have gameplay mechanics centered around racking up score/combo counters by taking down hoards of enemies on his way to said objective). -Rouge could specialize in stealth-based infiltration designed to avoid conflict and quickly lower defenses of areas so that her homies have an easier time navigating it. -Shadow could have a polished run and gun style where he moves at a more methodical pace than Sonic normally would, clearing out powerful enemies and mini-bosses with specialized gear and technical skills like his arsenal of chaos powers. Instead of the edgy guns and weaponry of his namesake videogame, he'd maybe use a refined multi-tool wispon like the weapons from forces, with him going into each scenario with a limited amount of energy/ammunition, and using that weaponry to build up to devastating chaos powers to completely crush the opposition. -Tails could work mostly from the background, running surveillance and hacking Eggman's forces and defenses as a support character, but could occasionally be required to either get in his mech and fight his way through the frontlines, or using his flight to navigate the more obscure routes while his friends raise hell out in the open for him (You get the point) All of this would culminate for one major purpose: Open up a variety of routes in an area for Sonic's team to mitigate Eggman's influence and create an ultimate route(s) for Sonic to run through at super speeds. Sonic's gameplay would revolve around choosing the fastest and most challenging routes to rack up score while racing toward the end goal. All of his friends' efforts would be noted by certain routes that would normally be completely closed off, being able to be accessed. Perhaps certain enemies who would usually seriously hold you up and hurt your time bonus, would be either absent or severely damaged as a result of an encounter with knuckles or Shadow. This would create the impression that all of his friends are working toward an overarching goal and that they are instrumental in his ability to take down Eggman. Sonic's gameplay would be high speed platforming where instead of a boost meter, he would have an adrenaline meter similar to the time break from Sonic and the Secret rings, with the purpose of temporarily slowing events down to let him choose the optimal routes and platforming sequences and spacing without giving up momentum. Momentum would be instrumental here; while Sonic wouldn't be able to freely boost, he would be able to gain a ridiculous amount of momentum, which would allow him to achieve absurd speeds that he would be expected to maintain. Your friends' objectives would assist in limiting the amount of things that can actively stop Sonic's momentum, allowing you to organically achieve a sort of power fantasy of running through this mangled base at breakneck speeds, putting the finishing touches on Eggman's territory and crushing his influence. This game could theoretically allow for co-op by allowing a group of up to 4 other players simultaneously complete objectives to open up the map for the one playing Sonic to get through, and their actions would actively influence other parts of the map, making allies' tasks easier or more difficult depending on the state of completion. Because of the wide variety of roles that could be achieved, there would inherently be a ton of replay value here. Perhaps you want to challenge yourself by running through the level at max difficulty by just gunning through as Sonic, from the get go. Maybe you want to do every single objective for maximum completion and have a real power trip as Sonic, moving at hyper speeds and just blasting apart everything that gets in his way. In concept, I'm thinking of a much more sophisticated game that builds on the concept of SA2's Canon's core, where everyone is completing seemingly imperative objectives to get to the end goal. Thoughts?

[@vivasornaviv8940]

SEGA hire them now

[@Jamseth_Ingramious]

Neat

[@nygul]

You gotta show this pitch to Sega. An idea this good can't go to waste.

[@DemonDethchase]

I agree that the Adventure games seemed to have right, but yet when I shout about bringing back the other characters into the next mainline game - because like seriously its been 14 years since Sonic 06 when Tails, and alot of the others, was last playable - I have people say: I think Sega should focus on getting Sonic right in 3D first. But they already did! It was called Sonic Adventure. But I really hope we shoot for the next game they shoot for that style again, along with the other playable characters because this past decade - ever since Black Knight - has been Sonic or bust and what's the point of having these other amazing characters if we're just going to be stuck playing as Sonic forever? That seems pretty lame. Plus a positive side effect of the other characters being playable could allow the story to be expanded upon, to reflect what they're doing in the game.

[@YujiUedaFan]

The issue with games that only have Sonic playable is that they're always way too short. I know Forces had Buddy playable too, but Forces has the issue of stages themselves being too short.

[@caron27]

Yeah, no... Sonic's gameplay in Sonic Adventure is not that great.

[@TheJadeFist]

I long had the idea of what if the world around Sonic slowed down once you got to a certain top speed, it would still be blazing fast but you could go faster than the top speed. Such as hazards would slow down, rain drops would hang in the air and such, and if you stopped a sonic boom would come rushing by as the world returns to normal. This would give you both the feeling of speed, and kinda alleviate the problem of being too fast to react and control.

[@chaomix]

Let me know which game YOU think has the perfect balance between speed and control. It's definitely personal preference so I'm curious what everyone else thinks.

[@EmperorKarino]

I wouldn't say there is exactly one game that has the perfect balance. Maybe for the style of the game there is. Like Sonic 3&K for Classic, Sonic Adventure 2 for Adventure, Sonic Generations for Boost. I would have put Unleashed instead of Generations but Unleashed is a weird hybrid of Adventure style and Boost style.

[@4ndrelus]

I choose P-06. It utilizes many great ideas buried in the original 06, so it's meant to be a fusion of peak elements from Adventure 1&2 and other previous titles. However it also has a bunch of sections specifically designed for ultra speed, which feels really satisfying once you get used to it. So we've got: - free all-directional movent, wonderful control, e.g. really great SA1ish spindash - ton of movement options (not only 5 normal attack but also the freakin gems!) - super-speed sections (which are getting better and better) Also what I really love about this game is that it doesn't have that annoying slow-down moments like waiting for the dang platform every 2 seconds or having to play the level 10 times to memorise unnoticeable obstacles that throw you down on the lowest shitty part of the level. And this is the only game I know that doesn't have the Homing Attack lag and have such a clever placement, that you can smash through enemies just like in the CGI.

[@chaomix]

@@4ndrelus I absolutely love P-06. Super excited for whenever the next update comes out!

[@4ndrelus]

@@chaomix yeah can't wait for the ultimate lifeform in the next release ^^

[@chaomix]

@@4ndrelus I know I’m so excited!!! Can’t wait to see how they improve him, I think he’s going to have some cool new mechanics.

[@EmperorKarino]

You had objective points backing your opinion, so don't worry about being accused as a fan boy. I think something people forget is that Sonic started as a momentum based platformer. While speed is a characteristic of Sonic, his games were about using momentum not necessarily speed, to progress through the stage, avoid obstacles and defeat enemies. Sonic Adventure and Adventure 2 being the sweet spot of speed and control is part of the reason why those games are so beloved, and why a significant portion of the fan base want a return to the adventure formula in future titles. The fact that Sonic Forces has multiple play styles and an attempt at serious story telling like the Sonic Adventure games makes me think that Sega and Sonic Team are aware of this and do wish to return to the formula or at the very least something similar. There have been hints and signs of a Sonic Adventure remake in the works, but who knows. (sorry if this comment seemed like a rant.)

[@AK46supr]

Very subjective. Alot of it comes down to personal preference and personal wants. A lot of the "drawbacks" aren't even draw backs. Its skill level and his isnt that high. Its not to insult him, but just seeing what it is. If boost sonic is to hard for someome then they should have the adventure to fall back on for a slower easier sonic.

[@EmperorKarino]

@@AK46supr what did @chaomix say in his video that was subjective? I'm pretty sure 90% of the fan base would say that the boost formula games have been the easiest in the franchise.

[@AK46supr]

@@EmperorKarino umm.. Not really. A lot of fans have varying difficulties for every 3D sonic game. Some think unleashed is the hardest while the adventures some of the easiest. With a slower sonic i can imagine why. And 90% of the fan base dont hate nor dislike the boost- thats your perception of ppl you identify with and *assuming* thats most fans because of the *environment* you surround yourself with And a lot was very subjective. Faster sonic blazing through a level isn't an issue. Its an issue if it is to *you.* alot of his "draw backs" come from him honestly not being that good at the game. No hate- but its honest. Stuff he struggles with and has trouble doing me and many others dont have. And he contradicts himself at times in the video. Sonic is a speedy platformer, when you *memorize* the level layout, and *react* accordingly to obstacles and enemies you're *rewarded* a speedy *forward progression* by *mastering* the *controls & physics.* thats exactly what the classic sonic games were about. Games like unleashed, colors, & gens replicate that very well for people who prefer a speeder sonic. Also the adventure games can be very tunneling as well. Sa2 had some of most linear stages. With looong pathways just to see sonics speed. Sa1 had some of these but not as much. Basically summed down with all the complaints he has- a slower sonic will suit him well. Theres so much more i could go into but its pointless for a youtube comment that someone will TL;DR because it seems im opposed to the adventure games when im not If modern sonic it to hard for you to handle, thats fine. If its not your taste, thats fine. If you prefer the adventure formula, that is also fine. I dont understand where we got off thinking peoples *preferences* can somehow be *"objective"* if someone finds dark souls "to hard" for them or "not their preference* id just recommend something like kingdom hearts or devil may cry. I wouldn't call someone a fanboy if they prefer the adventure games. They just like what they like. But it is annoying when some lie on the boost games, saying crap thats not true. That does annoy me. Ngl

[@soooooowhat4604]

@@EmperorKarino sonic unleashed would like to talk to you Also half of your comment and video was subjective

[@alexaipaw]

@@AK46supr I mean yeah, and for someone who is good with the boost formula, disregarding forces, of course, you can go through levels relatively quickly on your first try without having to slow down too much, and when you do, it's usually just because you ran out of boost, you can still keep a good pace without having to slow down and regain your boost, and often you don't really miss out on a lot of gameplay just because it's too fast. The boost games are largely based on your mastery of sonic's physics and controls and can be enjoyed even though sonic is extremely fast. I say the only issue with sonic being too fast is in the case of heroes where he naturally moves at mach speeds with just a few moments of acceleration and there's no way to really slow down

[@hay6780]

such cute animals in the beginning wow

[@chaomix]

My pride and joy 😭

[@freyaljones7368]

Why can’t they take notes off sonic 06 yes it was rushed but it had great story great character development and got sonic both speed sections and adventure styles game type

[@freyaljones7368]

All why they have to do is give sonic the same speed as the adventure styled game when her running abs not slow like in 06

[@jasonnguyen1072]

It really didn’t tho. 06 had great CONCEPTS and BASE CHARACTERISTICS. But not good development. If it had good development, why does this game get shit on when Elise kisses Sonic? I’ll tell you why, because the development between them was forced and of course underdeveloped. While the reason is there, in all of their scenes together they don’t really give a reason why Sonic he would dig a girl like Elise other than she’s a vulnerable girl who needs to open up. Which goes against his character HARD. And Elise while more reasonable doesn’t get enough scenes to make that feeling of closeness with Sonic turn romantic. It just doesn’t make sense why they love each other. Silver also has some good characteristics with a cool concept for an arc. He’s a naive boy who gains more knowledge about what has to be done to save his world. The problem is that his arc has him go from zero to a hundred A LOT. Like that scene where Silver was going to kill Sonic then Amy steps in and suddenly...he goes into a crisis about the needs of the many vs the needs of the few??? Again I get it but they didn’t give enough info or time to show significance on the words she said that made him go to that point. So it feels like it came out of nowhere. Which resolved almost immediately when Mephy just comes back and says kill him again. To make things worse, he pretty much never completes his arc in the end, as his solution pretty much backfires so hard he cries to mama Blaze to come solve his problems for him. A touching scene yes and could’ve worked if built upon properly but ALL OF HIS STORY WAS BUILT TOWARDS HIM BEING MORE EXPERIENCED AND LESS NAIVE. So it makes him look like a giant idiot who didn’t learn a damn thing. Shadow’s was the best story out of the three yes. But his arc still kinda sucks. Mostly because it’s delivered the same way OVER AND OVER AGAIN. So often that it becomes really boring and really predictable. Someone says something about the future about how humanity will turn on him. Shadow gets sad OH NOOO!!! Then someone says something nice I guess which calms Shadow down and makes him confident immediately no qualms about it. Rinse and repeat three more times and you get his entire arc. It might be about a slightly different subject, but it’s basically the same structure over and over. This is a problem all the stories have but it prevents Shadow’s story from being any good especially. So no dude, 06’s story sucks all the way through. It had some good sparknotes and Wikipedia articles but some subpar story. Also the reason SEGA doesn’t take notes from 06 is because the mainstream hates it so they want to distance themselves from 06 as possible.

[@dragonmaster3030]

I'm sorry but I didn't see any reasonable character development, I mean it did happen but like in chunks, in a cutscene or two you go from find Elise to a date in windows XP background

[@billyjack403]

I agree that sonic adventure 1 and 2s gameplay was the best maybe they could make each level have a little bit of boost parts and mostly the adventure style game play

[@bleakburd4965]

That's what I was thinking as well

[@TDRR_Gamez]

Would be best if they brought back 06's mach speed sections, except they control like the boost formula games do.

[@ViltrumiteIsRite99]

@@TDRR_Gamez oooh, that’d be sick. Adventure style, then it switches to Unleashed style sections. THAT’D be something to experiment with and perfect!

[@gachaevil1773]

These ideas are actually really cool and good balance for both momentum and boost gameplay, hope sega uses this idea in the future

[@pande_ellol1354]

Project hero (another sonic framework or fangame) balances everything, speed from momuntem, amazing physics, better controls then even the adventure games If they could make more open levels and ditch the boost I won't doubt that this may be an amazing sonic game

[@Fatalcharmanimations]

Also sonic gt

[@LittleLexi24]

The speed feels so good in Sonic Generations, the levels are just so big and have so many details. It’s my favourite Sonic the Hedgehog game ever!

[@sonicmaiden2871]

I wish that Sega would came back to the adventure gameplay style. It controlled so well and had good level design as well! Sonic forces just had short and linear level design. Even sonic didn't control well in that game. He was too heavy and the 2nd jump was barely useful.

[@YujiUedaFan]

Yeah, Sonic is way too heavy from Colours on. He literally controls like a car and feels like he should be as fat as Eggman with how fast he plummets after a jump.

[@sonicmaiden2871]

@@YujiUedaFan yeah. It seems that Sonic ate to many chilly dogs after Colors 😅

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@sonicmaiden2871 Actually I had that problem with Colours too.

[@sonicmaiden2871]

@@YujiUedaFan he seems heavier in the games after Colors tough 😅 But I'm not a huge fan of how sonic controls in the boost games. He controlled better in the adventure games.

[@YujiUedaFan]

@@sonicmaiden2871 Sonic's double jump in Colours has Sonic drop so fast and the platforms are so narrow, sometimes it takes me 20 attempts to do the platforming at the bottom part of the first level.

[@StarDragonNova]

So like sonic Lost world? They did that in lost world where you have 3 levels of speed. A walk for precision platforming, a run for going fast while still having control, an infinite spindash that is literally a slower boost. You can also use momentum to launch off ramps (like sonic utopia) if you are skilled enough. Since that game got lots of hate I don't see sega doing this any time soon.

[@chaomix]

No, I think the controls for Lost World are kind of unintuitive, especially for a Sonic game. Sonic Team just needs to find the right way to program the physics so the controls are responsive. You should be able to do everything with only the analog stick without having to press several buttons to adjust your speed. It just has to do with the values in top speed, acceleration, deceleration, etc.

[@StarDragonNova]

​@@chaomix Oh, then I think you should do a video about twitch reaction based gameplay (like the classics and boost) vs precision-platforming path-optimization gameplay (by path-optimization I mean the act of finding the fastest path to finish a level). If you change the speed then the whole objective of the game changes. I feel like the first 2 classic games and the boost games are similar since the gameplay is about memorizing the stage and have the fastest time. While Sonic 3&K and the adventure styled games are more similar to eachother since they are more about platforming than reaction time. Both styles use different types of platforming to achieve "speedy gameplay". Obviously different fans got introduced to the series from different games , meaning that their preference between the two types of platforming differs. Not saying that "the boost ability and sonic's mobility makes the game different because it's hard to control" or that "the adventure gameplay is slow and boring" . What i'm trying to get at is that sonic doesn't have just "two gameplay styles and we need to keep one", it has 2 totally different platforming genres in disguise, no wonder the fans are so divided. I don't think we can overlook how Sonic Team introduced us to 2 different genres. The fans aren't just debating because "one gameplay style is more boring than the other", but because the whole objective of the game is different. How can sonic team implement both genres of platforming? I think that once we figure THAT question out, then we can have a sonic game that most fans can all agree is good. Perhaps a video idea? I mean, I can't think of a more intriguing video title than something along the lines of "Sonic : Two Genres in Disguise" I hope it all made sense.

[@voltricity1942]

@@StarDragonNova we'll see how frontiers does it, i imagine the open world sections will be closer to adventure/momentum style platforming, (though it won't be exactly the same since it's well, open world heh, but probably similiarish) and there are rumors that the special stages will effectively be boost stages, which i think is a great idea if true. going forward i think that sonic games should have the main part of the level be closer to the adventure style gameplay, and having mach speed sections from 06, but actually good and pretty much boost gameplay, and specials stages too if they'll stick around. though if they could find a way to combine the 2 styles that would be great, just dunno how they would do it

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

They need to go back to the adventure formula. Let us play as Tails&Knuckles and other characters.

[@chickyproductions4347]

You will be able to play as tails in sonic colors ultimate and idk play as all charecter in sonic rangers

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

@@chickyproductions4347 You can’t play as Tails in Sonic Colors Ultimate. When you collect his medallion he picks you up and makes it so you don’t die.

[@crashban4t.f.s.b783]

@@chickyproductions4347 The 100 coin invincibility is dumb in my opinion unless there is an option to turn off the invincibility for it.

[@TrafficConeArms]

Thanks for always including the timestamps in the video. It's a nice little touch that makes it easy to go back and find a certain point you were trying to articulate!!!

[@username5155]

Sonic in the thumbnail be like “who put you on the planet?”

[@mr.lizard666]

The beginning is adorable “gotta go fast”-the dog I love how the cat reacts to that dog running so much

[@K9jp8406kane]

i think that’s part of the fun part, is knowing how to control speed , i see it as part of the challenge. i primary play unleashed and adventure 1 & 2 , you could throw in the Story book games (but those are controlled differently...(so i don’t think they should count…)

[@lnsflare1]

I think of Boost Sonic gameplay as being something like a rhythm game. You just keep playing the stages over and over again, getting better each time, until you're able to look completely badass as you hit every single he beat. Unleashed also offloaded most of the platforming elements to the Werehog sections, which was basically 3D Collect-a-thon Mario meets My First God of War.

[@sonktheoverlord2076]

Sonic on the thumbnail: Sega don't turn me into a Sonic marketable plushy! AAAAAAAH!

[@user-sp2jg9rx8r]

XD

[@BESTOFJSB]

Subscribed! Great channel 😄

[@Snoc75]

Very good video! Deserves way more views

[@DemonDethchase]

I seemed to think as well the best way to sum up dropping the whole "gotta go fast!" of the boost style, and returning back to the Adventure pace: less speed more haste.

[@bradleyellis5590]

Saw your posts through Facebook. Good quality stuff.

[@chaomix]

Hey thanks Brad!

[@user-og3ye8xl9y]

We should make him even more faster I’m tired of going at the same exact speed every single time I hit the boost button I wanna go even faster but this time so fast that I have no regrets

[@garumi100]

To me the perfect formula, is sonic project hero, a fangame that perfectly balances speed, control, sensibility and platforming, give it a try, is amazing

[@chaomix]

Yeah, Project Hero rules! I also like Sonic GT!

[@flex9663]

Nintendo. HIRE THIS MAN

[@erugurara8235]

they already try to make more slower in sonic lost word to have more plataforming and people often critizes that sonic feels off in his movement for that.

[@LevinAquilaEXE]

Great Video!

[@BadBoyBird]

i agree

[@myleswelnetz6700]

This is something that every Sonic fan, no matter where their opinion stands, can agree on.

[@zokiamv]

Love the videos dude glad i found u

[@darkhorse744]

I don't know if it was mentioned in the comments, but when you reach top speed in the Adventure games, Sonic became a lot harder to control. That's because he still had the same turning arc as when he's at his slower speeds. Which is also why SA2's Sonic stages were much more railroaded when you were meant to go fast, so you wouldn't accidentally go veering off a cliff.

[@lunearcana]

finally someone else says it, everyone talks about SA1 Sonic being excellent to control but I never see anyone (outside of one KZbin video) mention how Sonic at top speed feels incredibly slippery Sonic Team should try to reach a balance between Adventure and Boost movement, keeping Sonic able to turn easily at low speeds like in Adventure, but have him control more like the Boost games at top speeds Sounds like a nightmare to code honestly

[@artisthi151]

I love this channel as a sonic fan I have to expect that sonic has it's false alarms but has his good moments. Thank you, your the only person who actually explains the improvement in sonic games

[@artistanthony1007]

Nonono he's not too fast, he's not too fast ENOUGH.

[@pyrofur_nx]

A note on Sonic not controlling as tightly in the Boost games: in Unleashed, his turning at low speeds is a lot more tight and responsive, just try walking in circles in both games.

[@chillax7345]

0:00 chaomix please bring this back it was amazing and pretty funny!!

[@kaexewires7531]

you killed me in the beginning with cuteness... alright subbed btw

[@brovideogaming9447]

There's also another Sonic fangame that pushes Sonic's momentum to it's limit like Utopia. It's called Sonic GT and it is a very fun experience. It also feels like the speed is limitless, like Utopia.

[@TZMHBT]

Did not expect to see my 2 year old clip featured here, good video yo! Speed is definitely something 3D Sonic games need to properly address these days. Should make a sequel featuring Adventure 1.

[@JamesChessman]

Love the intro! :D

[@Neeksgamingstuff]

Loved the video man. :^]

[@MLPPixel727]

This is a great analysis.

[@AdachiSimp]

After binge watching your videos, I came to a conclusion. *You just hate the boost and want adventure back*

[@calamario8]

I need a full video of chaomix getting his ankles broken by his pets

[@floofycupkim1197]

If i had to change the boost mechanic. I was thinking that it would be more of a "use when neccessary"

[@bluerift16]

OMG that bit seen was amazing (he so adorable, and the cat :P)

[@hakizanr_alt]

I love the intro XD

[@bluewulv]

I don't mind the speed as long as good tight control is added with it

[@missbattyone]

This video sums up my personal opinions on boost It would of been nice if you mentioned Sonic GT

[@chaomix]

Finally played through GT for the first time today and OH MY GOD it was incredible!

[@VampireA1056]

Best intro ever

[@saucykage5843]

Bro i bought all the adventure like 9 months ago bro I used to love the cutscenes when I was like 6

[@RealHyperHedgehog]

I love that dog!

[@KeyBlueG]

Good Plataforming + Good speed + Good physics and controls = Sonic Lost World

[@kidman1312]

Even in sonic unleashed they made the boost super epic by making the music change as if sonic is running faster than whatever is playing the music and I live for it

[@fabiofanf3e813]

dont forget that the more assets you have on a game = more storage that the game will eat

[@artsmakesmusic7990]

I think a great example of speed balancing is the fan game Sonic GT. It doesn't have the boost game play, and has massively expansive levels, designed to make you gain your own momentum. It managed to be platform-y enough, while still going nearly as fast as the boost games.

[@dragonmaster3030]

Imagine unleashed speed, doubled

[@CaliburnEditz]

Chaomix: Modern Sonic is too fast Movie Sonic: hold my beer....

[@calzonecave]

honestly I feel like Boost always worked better in 2D with the Rush games. Designing levels for Boost is easier when you're using tilesets instead of making huge 3D levels and since you're always going in one direction anyway losing that extra dimension doesn't really matter much. Plus the Tricks system added a more satisfying push and pull to boosting that isn't really replicated with Wisp capsules or rings.

[@OlayinkaEssien]

Just the start of the video was very dramatic. out of the jokes what a wonderful vid 💯

[@modest9584]

I think the boost shouldn’t have a meter, maybe sonic could build speed and when he gets to a certain speed he gets the boost aura, it’ll make it more rewarding and less linear

[@TERMINXX101]

I prefer the insanely high speed sections of the boost games, but I think this is a decent take. It's just that I honestly like sonic being an OP speed god. As a fan of the comics, it just felt odd see otherwise in the games considering his feats in both mediums. I wish some of those fan games could make their way to console so could give them a try.

[@supermousepeepeepoopoo64]

You need way more subscribers

[@chaomix]

Thanks! Working my way up now!

[@God-xd1wr]

Not really, if the boost games focused on making Sonic feel like a race car like something out of Trackmania or Distance, that could work really well. And Sonic UnWiished already translated the more car-like gameplay really well. Sonic being a 3 foot tall rat while behaving physically like a giant race car could even be a funny character trait.

[@cosmickid23]

i think sonic frontiers COULD take some notes from sonic utopia and a mix of adventure and boost gameplay imo would be really cool

[@classicspeeder]

I think it would be neat if there was a game like the adventure games but it would switch what would be a mix of Mach Speed and the Boost games if you are capable of going fast enough and finding new ways to go across the level also opening up new paths you can take with that speed if you are able to control it so it would be more like a reward. The acceleration would slow down after you reach what would be a speed cap in SA2 and would grow if you could keep moving and finding new ways to progress without stopping

[@StarBird06]

We have reached the peak of intros.

[@user-bb2op9he1x]

cant we just turn the boost gameplay into a spin off I dont want it to go away

[@spadezap9728]

Should we talk about lost world? They tried exactly that but it didn’t work too well

[@taylord5381]

Corgis are one of the cutest kind of dogs ever.

[@rulasmania]

Im really proud of sonic frontiers for doing boost and fast platforming fun again it’s the best sonic game I’ve played since unleashed and I fucking love it

[@Shyborg0]

thats what im sayinnn

[@nazomius7033]

You know that’s BS

[@dragonmaster3030]

I feel like people say adventure controls are perfect because they've had like 20 years of experience with them, in my opinion they are way to sensitive at high speed, any corner in windy valley you just have to rub up against or bounce off of

[@bananaeats_33yt71]

0:01 best Chase e v e r

[@customknight7475]

Morden sonic more like morden dog

[@bluespeed7406]

I agree on some teema i think what should Be some is to Jeep The boost and Make IT faster but Make mutch better controling so it whould Be exsitremly fun

[@goofball2237]

Matpat: *Impossible*

[@JayRedGear]

Shia Labeouf: *NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!!*

[@nicky_creates2763]

I like your opinions! I definitely agree with wha though have to say. People should not be rude to you over your thoughts. I think there great!

[@KhaosKontroller]

Basically, just make a big budget Sonic GT. Adventure level of precise control coupled with very momentum based speed and larger mode explorative level design that warrants multiple playthroughs.

[@Ashly-28]

This man just predicted Sonic frontiers 2 years before

[@eeriestar9153]

Holy shoot he has a yamper

[@Pytatoon]

Awesome vid hope SEGA listens to your words :)

[@MondyArtizt]

Also nice video

[@crustykeycap5670]

What if they make a game where sonic goes fast, like super fast, but then they have other characters that go to like adventure speeds and those characters can be more exploration based.

[@that1zombi3kid]

I believe that's called sonic heroes.

[@peagamer67]

That’s why I love the modern sonic games

[@b0xE_]

Speed is a reward for building up momentum!

[@Hyp3rLynxOfficial]

They can add boost on Sonic Adventure style speed maybe? and then add a blur effect to give the appearance of speed?

[@Jac808b]

You are very underrated

[@chaomix]

Thanks, I appreciate the kind comment! 🥺

[@goku9569]

1:25 Silver, Shadow and Amy would like to have a word with you

[@supersonicstyle5177]

Bro did you see sonic project hero? It's a fanmade engine test for sonic and it has SUPER amazing controls for sonic and has the that sense of really going fast like in the boost games. It's more like the marvel's spider man of sonic games and it's extremely underrated. It would be the best engine to make a remastered adventure style sonic game