Modern Trivium Part IV: Rhetoric

This lecture explores the lost art of expressing ourselves orally and why we might want to cultivate this skill.

[@obrotherwhereartliam]

Great that you’re back posting regularly again. Some of the most thoughtful content on KZbin.

[@DBD120]

I think that public speaking's decline can be clearly seen in many professors who lecture as they don't engage, stumble over their words, and basically copy and paste from the book.

[@klosnj11]

To offer what feels like a cliche idea to me; I have long felt that learning to write is the same as learning to speak, just more slowly. It is the tai-chi of communication. To learn to speak, learn to write. And to learn these things, you will learn to think with clarity, as the Tai-chi master moves with confidence and grace even when not going through forms.

[@scoon2117]

Some language lives better on the page, some on the tongue.

[@klosnj11]

@@scoon2117 I am not sure how to interpret that. Can you elaborate?

[@otakudoomer646]

Great video on rhetoric

[@bc-cu4on]

But what exactly did you like about it?

[@Great_Olaf5]

14:00 I have felt this kind of thing on both sides. I'm self aware enough to know when I don't know why I like something, and it's frustrating. But it's very frustrating when others can't explain why they like something. Or, to an equal extent on both sides, dislike something. It doesn't help me that my mind is effectively a black box, I have no inner voice, no inner speech, no monologue. What I like in a story is marginally easier. But most often, the best explanation I can offer for why I like a thing is because I like it. It's especially problematic in persuading contexts, where people are trying to recommend something to me, and, teaching tried it, I found something about it I noticeably disliked and, after spending quite a bit of time working out exactly what 8 dislike, the conservation falling apart when no one else had a problem, no one being able to recognize the problem, and insisting I should keep trying it because they liked it so obviously whatever my problem with it is all in my head, as of likability is objective and that in my head is irrelevant.

[@TomRauhe]

You can see what you talked about in the beginning very powerfully at work in toddlers between the age 1.5 and 3. They basically know what they want to say, but they just can't, either because they lack the words or they just can't formulate them with their mouth. The result is they get REALLY angry at themselves, you (why don't you get it?!) and the unjustice of the World.

[@HerrEinzige]

Liking and commenting for algorithmic purposes

[@staygolden77]

well said......amazing we don't even consider public speaking @ all; intelligent/wise people really dislike 'small-talk' NPC's so often pit into cliches. Thank you for reminding me what to focus/contemplate.... [a] ''lost art'' well put brother.

[@supergamesgaming5677]

I study rhetoric pretty heavily esspecially acient greek-roman rhetoric I havnt watch it yet, so I'm exited to see what are your opinions!

[@ronwiesel5120]

I assume you're not studying in english, but this comment is quite ironic because of how many mistakes there are😅 *especially *ancient haven(')t *watched *ecxited *your opinions are That being said, you do succesfully convey your thoughts, which is what this video is about. Please don't feel offended. I simply thought it a bit funny and odd 😬

[@supergamesgaming5677]

hey look english is not my first language acient rhetoric and rhetoric as a whole is not limited to English.​@ronwiesel5120

[@ronwiesel5120]

@@supergamesgaming5677 I'm aware of both (which is implied in the first sentence) and my comment wasn't directed at you, but it is rather about how your comment can be conceived (Like in my case) in a vacuum (this comment section) I'd say grammar can be as important as the terms in order to convey meaning. Not in this case though

[@supergamesgaming5677]

​@@ronwiesel5120 fair, my comment was a bit rushed because I had other things to do at the time. Sorry if you felt me lashing at you, it's hard to convey tone through text.

[@ronwiesel5120]

@@supergamesgaming5677 yes exactly. I didn't feel like you were "lashing"at me. And maybe I should have explicitly stated in the first two sentences, that I wasn't aiming the comment on you personally. I actually think this is a good example on the importance of rhetoric. And how it depends on all participants, not just on the speaker, which is why the speaker has to adapt to what he knows what and how the other person(s) understand