2020 MG ZS EV - what's the TRUE WINTER RANGE? Real world UK winter range test! WILL IT MAKE IT?

[@denniscarvell1828]

Boring

[@briankavanagh7191]

Dennis, "heavy metal" is boring

[@alan17167]

Dickhead comment

[@warsawtugger]

Your videos are my guilty pleasure. I personally find them hugely entertaining. The grumpy, I’ll speak my own mind, Scotsman thing is absolutely a man after my own heart.

[@tweetchris46]

Ditto Half Scots here but equally grumpy

[@CambuGus]

Full Scottish here, what dae ye mean I'm grumpy, eh?

[@wolfonwheels6445]

I love your voice of reason reporting. When it comes to cars I don’t have a sweet tooth. Keep being you.

[@JohnAdams-kc8wx]

Brilliant, real world stuff - I like your style. Yes of course you were absolutely right not to stop, I’m glad there’s more gamblers out there. I actually also thought the range very impressive considering the temperature. I’m new to EVs and just weighing up the options...

[@4wheelsgood]

Keep doing what you're doing and ignore the haters. Good test of range. I was a little disappointed with my Leaf 40 range at about 100 in similar circumstances. Luckily Ecotricity worked for us. Cheers

[@martino9134]

Cold weather long trip :-Warm the cabin up whilst it's still plugged in! Before you leave . Once it's up to cabin temp the PTC heater doesn't draw much energy , I rarely go above 2 red bars . Once it's up to cruising speed even in cold weather it's still efficient. Use Eco in cruising mode .

[@usfouru2]

My only comment I'd like to make is that I recommend to fill up with screen wash before you leave ha and reset both the current and cumulative tripometer which in turn resets the GOM. I think your sensible approach to sticking at 60mph helped massively on range. Another thing to mention is that if you're tying to conserve energy then turning heating off all together will help and instead just use the heated seats which do not use the HV traction battery as they seats are fed off the 12v when compared to the heater in the ZS that pulls up to 4kW when warming car. Good vid!

[@greglewis8843]

A decent result in the conditions I would say gives me a bit of confidence thankyou

[@johndoyle4723]

Screenwash, I was making it around 1986 and bottling a concentrate for sale. I used IPA or Ethanol(IMS) with a dye and some detergent, I sold hundreds of thousands of bottles. People buying ready mixed stuff and paying for water!

[@jamesknightreading]

Just found your channel this week, and have watched a few. They are all very interesting. I think I've been down to 18 miles range in the Fluence, but that is over a quarter full!

[@AstonDB8]

Charlie Brown wants his jumper back.

[@jmiller991]

Love your videos, you've gained a sub :-) Get my ZS (also in black) delivered Wednesday, but due to covid never got the opportunity to test drive, or even sit in one! So been watching every vid I can find lol This vid was perfect, and answered my exact questions regarding winter range!

[@abgmac67]

It's a relief to know I'm not the only one to get shit range out of my ZS EV! I was reassured to see that you too get 2.5 Kwh on a freezing cold day. No idea what it would be on a longer journey because in the six months I've had it I haven't left my city!

[@ModernHeroes]

TBH I don’t think it was that bad for the conditions!

[@wolfonwheels6445]

I actually think, considering the shape of the car, the weight, battery size and temp, it did really well.

[@ModernHeroes]

Agreed. Very happy with its performance. It actually did even better on the way home, granted the temperature was a heady 0 instead of -3!

[@Barrybristle]

A useful test under cold conditions. When you were 2 miles out I was getting anxious myself. Think I'll steer clear of EVs until the range is improved or until a range extender is the norm.

[@ModernHeroes]

Bear in mind this is pretty much the cheapest new EV on the market and I have a stupid commute! 😊. MG5 would do it without breaking a sweat (and is actually the same kind of price as this was) or with a slight increase in budget you could be much more comfortable range wise.

[@danielevans6293]

Just about to buy the MG ZS. Thanks so much for the real world perspective. Good man

[@ModernHeroes]

👍👍👍

[@neddyl1225]

Good video yet again. Glad you made it! Just remind me what the kWh rating is for your battery, please.

[@ModernHeroes]

44. Usable there’s some debate over, commonly said to be 42.

[@neddyl1225]

@@ModernHeroes Thanks. I thought it might have more range for a 42/44 kWh usable.

[@ModernHeroes]

It’s not the most aerodynamic. Significantly more range in the warmer weather though I believe.

[@tweetchris46]

I love your jumper btw, keep doing what you do

[@johndoyle4723]

Thanks, and you are not boring as some rude commentators proclaim. The problem I would have with the MG is the range is borderline useful, just not quite enough, yes I know you can live with it, but it would always be nagging in the background. Fast DC chargers are essential, and as you suggest, pretty soon all the petrol stations will have to adapt and offer DC chargers. I would also worry that depreciation of the MG could be horrific, who knows. Yes I drive an EV, and no not a Tesla.

[@ModernHeroes]

Not terribly worried about depreciation - offset by a lower initial purchase price and a practical short-medium range EV is going to be in high demand on the used market. It is a gamble of course, with a relatively unknown manufacturer. MG5 could be worth a look if the ZS falls short on range - it’s a little short on features though, that’s the trade off!

[@jonstarr1000]

I love the curmudgeonly celtic humour, you say it how it is like it or lump it. I have placed my order for the zs arriving march so will have that pleasure to come.

[@alan17167]

Cheers Man, Forget the hater's they will always be like this, if they don't do it you they'll do it to someone else but What they'll never do is say it to your face!!!

[@MrAndrew941]

Once the ID3 battery is wormed up the range is actually really good in the winter.

[@garalun3978]

You just got a shout out on the MG EVs podcast ✋

[@michael-fisher]

34.30 - not a direct shout out but enough to know who Shawn is referring to.

[@nickevans7049]

Absolutely fantastic my Scottish friend congratulations. This is why I’m getting the MG5 😂

[@stevensanger]

That's interesting to see the winter range not too bad for the price of the car

[@terrylivermore9107]

Thanks for sharing that with us. I find the GOM a bit pointless, until you are nearing an empty battery, then I watch distance left on Satnav to the GOM, then it becomes useful. I would love to see the algorithm used to calculate the Range, must be pretty weird. I find it best to calculate journey range, miles/kw , Eg 42x2.8 = 118 miles. If I could change the algorithm, that is how I would prefer to see the range. Regarding range at higher speeds, it is easy to see the effect, yesterday I was in a hurry to get Covid Jab and got it down to 2.2mile/kw, coming home it brought the average back up to 2.8. I find the satnav pretty good with clear display, however it is a bit painful putting in Postcode or address. I usually set it up before hand save it, then it is easy to call up. Keep up the good videos.

[@janaksodha9582]

Pls can you create a video showing if Mg pilot can overtake on a motorway.

[@ModernHeroes]

It sort of can but not in the way a Tesla can (which is probably what you’re thinking) - I’ll see if I can demonstrate!

[@janaksodha9582]

Thank you. I have a deposit on a new MG ZS EV

[@grahamconnolly3241]

HI great video I was thinking of buying one but have found out that it fails the Thatcham relay test, so get your Faraday pouch just to be on the safe side.

[@ModernHeroes]

I can’t see that the ZS EV was tested - the HS I can see a fail result for.

[@bernardhilton3527]

Brilliant video. You are doing a great job. Telling it how it is is useful to your viewers. As for the screen wash yes you should have checked that. Supermarket prices are much lower. Why didn’t you block a petrol pump and get your own back. You would have enjoyed that. When I bought my Corsa e I made sure I knew how much charge was in the battery for every graticule on the gauge. It is very useful to know. Keep up the good work. 😄😄😄

[@ModernHeroes]

Does the Corsa E have a “fuel gauge” style battery indicator too then? Interesting stuff. I have a rough idea what they mean on the ZS, enough to avoid running out 😂

[@bernardhilton3527]

The gauge is divided into 1/8ths but it is a wide graphic not analog. I have found it to be consistent and accurate.

[@davidsworld5837]

you can buy screen wash in supermarkets may be carry some screen wash then wont need to be fleeced

[@aliatairwatson1849]

we get approx 132 on full charge over Jan/Feb, cat complain for the price point, as you say the car is not perfect but what car is.

[@keithware5314]

Great video, I think the range and boot size for me is not quite there but the MG5 might be the one if they update it.

[@tretty]

I liked the Video, no frills, as is, a spade's a spade, and when I get my MG5 in four weeks, i'll be a bit more confident...........Thanks!!!!

[@TheKayakCoach]

Top tip, do not let your MG5 go below 10% battery. I assumed when it said 18 miles of range, I could drive a 5 mile journey...which I did, sort of. As soon as I reached a hill it went into ‘limp mode’ and wouldn’t go faster than 14MPH until we reached the flat/downhill. Lesson learnt.

[@davestraight8219]

i drink lots of water while driving (for a living) keep one full for the no screen water thing at this time of year - for exactly why you found out (and im no a scotsman) cos the bottle on the van only holds just over a kettle full so if it runs out i can clean it myself

[@malcolmwhite6588]

I Will be interested to know is how far will it go if you just crank the heater up like you would in a petrol diesel car overtake whenever you wanted within the limits of safety ,cruise at whatever the speed limit was and didn’t think about economy what would the milage be then ?

[@marksmith3469]

Screen wash £1.99 from wilkos mate for 5 litres

[@johnmcconville6055]

At the moment I am struggling to get 110-120 miles out of the ZS.Also headwinds can cut the range drastically.Just out of interest in our part of Aberdeenshire it has been -13c and a foot of snow.It was drifting up to 2 feet in places.I have Nokian Snowproof winter tyres fitted and it has transformed the car.Never got stuck in the snow once.I would say 18 inch drifts are getting to it's limit.I would certainly consider all weather or winter tyres as a replacement,as there is very little braking and steering grip with the standard ones in ice/snow.

[@keithshayle123]

The 'GOM' seems far closer to reality than most other EVs. The Polestar 2 albeit with a bigger battery, from what I've seen claims something like 250 miles and only achieves about 180m.

[@petermorrison2647]

Didi you use MG Pilot for that test? Would be particularly impressive range in winter if so!

[@ModernHeroes]

Yes, I was using MG Pilot on the motorway and dual carriageway sections - not so much on single carriageways but occasionally. Not sure it makes a huge difference to efficiency though.

[@davejones4804]

Would be interesting to see what difference it would make if you did the same journey at 75-80mph with heaters etc on

[@ModernHeroes]

I intend to do this at some point (at 70mph obviously officer 😉). Might need to do it somewhere where chargers are more abundant though 😂

[@Lewis_Standing]

The air resistance is 28% higher at 70 vs 60 mph F=0.6x drag coefficient of vehicle x V2. There are obviously other frictions involved eg rolling resistance and in the moving parts but essentially driving at 60 could increase your range by 20-30%

[@СашаИванов-р6ш8ъ]

What is the climate temperature set in the cabin?

[@Lewis_Standing]

Will correct you about the semi autonamous driving comment - my courtesy car t'other day a Kia xceed had adaptive cruise control and lane keep assist starts at 19k to 25 ish I think

[@Testdriver2804]

well done, my car is around the same, 180-200 km in winter

[@jimmcdonald6465]

Really appreciate your candour mate. This winter range stuff bothers me in case my wife is driving on her own. he doesn't compute.

[@tweetchris46]

btw what is the amber light that comes on at times along the motorway (seeing the reflection on the inner window/door edge by your O/S shoulder) ?

[@ModernHeroes]

Someone else asked this too, I assumed it was just some dodgy lighting (really struggled filming at that time of the morning!) but I’ve had another look - it’s the blind spot assist. Little light in each wing mirror, lights up if it detects a car coming towards your blind spot on either side. If you then turn on an indicator, it flashes rapidly.

[@Paul-en9yh]

Would be interesting to know what the range would be travelling at 70, how many miles do you think you got extra travelling at 60

[@ModernHeroes]

In all honesty I don’t know but I’m keen to run more tests in the future. Need a route with more available charging though.

[@Paul-en9yh]

@@ModernHeroes need a InstaVolt route 😁, I learnt in the first day of owning a ev to avoid electric highway 1 out of 4 worked on my first trip never used again!

[@marktoby8113]

Loved the video, actually found myself getting nervous to see if you'd make it! Liked, & subscribed!

[@ModernHeroes]

Thank you!

[@janaksodha9582]

Another request please to consider if the EV battery is maintains the 12 V battery charge if the ZS EV is not used for a couple of weeks. The Kia e Nero has such a feature. Thanks

[@ModernHeroes]

I don’t think that it does - reports of 12v battery issues are reasonably common. I’ve never had any issues with mine despite periods of reasonably infrequent use though.

[@davidpearn5925]

Ahhh my daily wake to a little ray of sunshine......

[@ModernHeroes]

😂 🍻

[@niceboy60]

Some EV owners don't understand the difference between Being Forced to Stop and Optionally Stopping EV's Force you to stop Diesel Cars with 800 - 900 miles range , you can stop only when/where you perceive to be adequate , suitable & safe

[@leenewman5982]

Love true reviews on this, tell it how it is love it

[@davidpearn5925]

Our big trucks in Australia are legal at 100 kph and are perfect windbreakers for the ZS EV we are expecting shortly.

[@electricvehiclelife]

Similar to the figures I got recently. With the 110 miles plus the GOM divided by the 2.9 miles/kWh suggests a 43.45 kWh battery which is more than the 40 kWh size I think it is. 110 miles at 2.9 miles/kWh means you used 38kWh so probably closer to empty than you think. A % figure would be a lot more useful. On longer journeys I calculate the miles/kWh I need to achieve to avoid running out and then use the current journey screen to decide if I need to charge instead of the GOM.

[@0tispunkm3y3r]

I believe full pack is 44.5kwh . Not sure what they leave as a buffer though.

[@electricvehiclelife]

@@0tispunkm3y3r I've seen figures of 40, 42 and 42.5kWh of usable battery. When I did the calculation based on my range and efficiency it was closer to 40kWh.

[@alexdalgleish1061]

Can I ask have you commuted in it before and where do you charge on way home as 70 mile difference between your commute and it's range.

[@ModernHeroes]

Workplace charging means I leave the office with a fully charged battery - it's an absolute doddle in the ZS EV, especially in slightly warmer weather. Bit more hair raising in our other EV, a 60Ah BMW i3.

[@garalun3978]

That petrol station used to be a Total as I used to live near there, blast from the past the Beefeater Stanborough opposite used to be my local 👍

[@ModernHeroes]

Was the screenwash cheaper back then? 😂

[@davidpearn5925]

EVs need an air speed indicator (ASI) in order to understand the drag component being experienced

[@MacBaerFFM]

Thanks again for this winter range review - something that would definitely of concern for me living rural in the low mountain range. We got some decent winters. My feeble Zoe R90ZE40's winter range is - when the going gets tough - about 180km and maybe 200km on a full charge, if I'm lucky. But yes, I can pre condition the car either by the built-in planner or by the (crappy) "MyRenault" smart phone app. As you mentioned ACC - other KZbinrs reported that when using the ACC, the car decelerates using the disc brakes instead of regen as suggested by the needle of the "PowerMeter" not wandering off into the "charge" section of the dial. Now wonder if that's just a display error or if MG, pardon, SAIC engineering just forgot about that or lifted it from the petrol version of the car (which probably has MG Pilot sending brake commands to the anti locking brake control unit for the lack of regen of the engine). If that is true, that would really be kind of a bummer..hmmm...

[@ModernHeroes]

It’s true that it doesn’t use regen on ACC - MG have used an off the shelf Bosch L2 autonomous driving module seemingly designed for ICE cars (I don’t even think you can buy an ICE MG equipped with it though!)

[@MacBaerFFM]

@@ModernHeroes I see...probably cannot be fixed in software...sigh. But then that's one of the toads one would have to swallow...

[@theanorakchannel2496]

That range in cold weather was better than I thought you would get. Great stuff, but your average speed was very low. Normally if one is doing a journey of over 100 miles I think you’ll be more likely to do most of it at motorway speed. Would’ve been interesting to see what the range would have been then.

[@ModernHeroes]

Not sure the average speed was actually that low - the only bit of the journey that you’d realistically be able to do 70mph for a prolonged amount of time was on the M40 which was less than a third of the total distance. Impact on the journey time was fairly trivial in the grand scheme of things

[@amadeuscaydas682]

Hey, I'm looking in purchasing a 2020 MG ZE ev. My daily commute is around 80 miles, mostly on the motorway. Do you think one charge in the evening is suffice for my travels. Or would i need a quick charge? They do have charging points at work, but no one uses it. I can ask if i could charge it everyday. But not sure if they'd be annoyed? Also, in your opinion charging the battery 100% every night be an issue? Thanks for the content

[@ModernHeroes]

It’ll be absolutely fine, even in winter. I wouldn’t worry too much about charging to 100% either, a lot of people get wrapped up in all sorts of worry about battery health but chances are it’ll be fine.

[@amadeuscaydas682]

Thanks for the reply and reassurance. I think I'll go for it! 🎉

[@parvezahmedjalil7310]

​@@amadeuscaydas682How has your 2020 model been? Happy? I'm looking at picking up the same soon

[@ssingh5694]

I bought this car 4 months ago and it only drives between 110 and 120. With full charge

[@NaughtyGoatFarm]

You make me laugh. Thank you for your dry humour.

[@davidpearn5925]

I take it that you set a comfortable temperature ....with ac selected ?

[@ModernHeroes]

Yes - I was using the heater and AC to a point where it was comfortable, warm and dry.

[@davestraight8219]

also question about the motorway thing - you were 2.3 per kwh - were you doing 60 mostly if youd been doing 75 how less would it have been? if youd done that journey in june how better would it be? thanks

[@micrashed]

Nowt wrong with that as a range on a winters day. Ive a mate with a petrol engine version of this he has had for 3 or 4 years IIRC - hes impressed with it so far. No rot/ nothing fallen off & he lives by the coast at St Annes - so lots of salty air. The only downside is recharging time before you can go home. But Meh. At least you have an excuse to have a brew and a natter.

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah I was pretty happy with it. Free charging at the office made it a pretty cheap journey too! Efficiency is improving massively as things warm up slightly, too 😊

[@johnathankain8033]

Lack of screen wash indicator is not a cheap MG issue. My Jag XE lacks one, and it is infuriating.

[@ModernHeroes]

Yeah, I was surprised to find the BMW i3 doesn't have one either, when stuff like the 3 Series of the same age does!

[@Lewis_Standing]

Ooo I've never come across one of these - but then again would you expect a saxo, megane or swift to have one?

[@wolfonwheels6445]

Compared to the system in my Skoda Superb the MG Sat Nav is actually really good but I’d use Apple Maps or Waze too.

[@happysporran]

I'd call that a decent result in those temperatures. The range is still a stumbling block for me, which is a shame given how much car MG are offering for the cash. You're not alone in criticising the infotainment system, but the fact that you can reliably connect with carplay is a plus. I've seen reviews of other car makes where they have trouble connecting carplay/auto.

[@ModernHeroes]

MG5 might be more suitable on range if you can live with the slightly more basic equipment level?

[@happysporran]

It's certainly on my radar

[@tweetchris46]

"Careful with the loud pedal"....well played mate

[@lookoutleo]

funny i have family in welwyn , so your day car is a mgzs they seem pretty good but i like your super cheap leaf aquasition :) find me one :) thanks for posting, i'll be buying an mg in about 5 years :) they do seem pretty good cars and yes i hear the satnav in mg is meant to be crap:)

[@elongatedmush7805]

I'm turning mine into a pickup truck.,oh wait!?... It already is! It's the family taxi and skip truck. 2.3 miles per kWh. Lol 🤣😂

[@ModernHeroes]

Drive it like you stole it! 😂

[@elongatedmush7805]

@@ModernHeroes done my best!?....it won't break! ( I've managed to KILL several Toyotas) so l regard myself as an expert.

[@skimmingstoness]

Rumour has it the MG EV has a built in mood detector and reduces the range to further piss off the driver.

[@ModernHeroes]

😂

[@MrHsv123]

What is the temperature at the time please?

[@ModernHeroes]

-3c

[@davidpearn5925]

What cabin temperature did you use ?

[@ModernHeroes]

ZS EV doesn’t have climate control so I have no idea!

[@Lewis_Standing]

Does it have a heat pump? Last time I got range anxiety in my kona (I had to do a 208 mile trip on 234 miles of charge) I ended up slipstream a lorry to eek out range. I was down to 5 mile leeway, and got it up to 10 in the end. Definitely saved my bacon.

[@ModernHeroes]

No heat pump here, just a PTC heater. Gotta get that cost out somehow!

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@ModernHeroes probably the wrong thing to cost save on though. Can't believe vw charge 1250 quid for one though shocking.

[@Gdank72]

@@Lewis_Standing I think it should be an option on any EV, but not fixed either way. There will be some people living further north than others that will have 3-6 months of colder weather, where people in the south might only get 1-2 months or really south none. Therefore it would be a waste to carry around the extra weight for no benefit for 10-11 months a year. So I'm all in for it being an option ... but a reasonably priced one.

[@nigelweir3852]

Typical , Zoe 50 same , 140 miles at that temp , maybe going slightly faster on motor way

[@keefbrown]

Unshielded lithium can lose up to 80% of their rated capacity in the cold. They need warming circuits ideally - consider them battery bum warmers. Lithium fork lifts often have warmers when they work in cold conditions

[@ModernHeroes]

ZS EV has battery heating capability but it’s under-utilised. MG have a software version that allows it to be manually enabled but it’s strongly advised against in the U.K. 🤔

[@niceboy60]

I wish battery Chemistry favoured winter even at the cost of a Worse range on summer 🤔 . I mean who wants to stop more often in the Winter in the Freezing Cold 🤔

[@wobby1516]

Love your comments, it does seem there are those who believe only they have any sense! the rest of us are plebs. Sadly there are those who see their car as an extension of their manhood! wow betide anyone who make a negative comment. LOL. Oh I drive a Kia Nero so that’s me shot 😂

[@ModernHeroes]

It’s alright Colin, according to one commenter I’m paid by Kia to rubbish the MG (that I own) and boost their sales, so you’re in good company 😂

[@WTFaq]

Loved the anxiety lol

[@enfield7123]

Well I did look at this car to change my 1.7tdi vauxhall mokka to go electric 🤔 that will be a no then

[@ModernHeroes]

🤷‍♂️- all EVs suffer from reduced range in the winter, I don’t think it did too badly. The MG5 might be a better fit if you need more range.

[@enfield7123]

@@ModernHeroes 🤔I will go back and have a look

[@lovemetender1954]

I am looking for a car and I'm looking at mg I am grateful for the videos and please don't listen to 1% of idiot

[@nigelweir3852]

What were they thinking, dashes not a percentage , just stupid, no cure for stupid

[@ModernHeroes]

It is daft. I kinda hope they’ll change it in the future with a software update (the “battery” button on the centre console is pretty redundant since they moved the range indicator permanently to the cluster). MG5 has a % indicator.

[@TheAlien1974]

Shame they didn't fit climate control as it's more efficient

[@Lewis_Standing]

Haters gonna hate

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@stevezodiac491 about what? Nothings perfect. Much more fun to drive than petrol cars. Much cheaper to run. Still harmful to the planet but much less so. I can live with the flaws.

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@stevezodiac491 I fully accept that EVs are a rip off. I've got one because I believe it to be the socially responsible thing to do. Not everyone is going to do that until its more affordable that's okay. I don't get anxious with my range, in my old petrol car I'd drive 30 miles past the warning light. I'm a respiratory doctor, I felt super guilty pumping out air pollution giving my neighbours asthma and leading to early deaths unnecessarily. 🤷‍♂️. These were my reasons, they are good enough for me, they don't have to be for you for now. But we've convinced the government to take that choice away from you in the future. It's not announced that deisels / petrols will be fully banned from our roads but do you honestly not see it coming?

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@stevezodiac491 active transport definitely > cars you're quite right. For the next 18 months I'll swap between trains, a bike and my car for out of hours call outs to commute. We should be convincing people to actively travel, but failing that EV > combustion. People are still going to buy new vehicles, they should be encouraged to be EVs. Although they are still huge chunks of steel they do consume less than combustion vehicles and the emissions assoc with the fuel are more easily managed.

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@stevezodiac491 whilst it's true they are expensive, actually the avg cost of a new car purchased in the UK has been over 30k for a couple of years. Which just reflects that its not the new car price that reflects affordability for lower earners - the used market plays the main role. Which is what our Scottish friend was telling us. There is a reason why I got a 64kwh car rather than a more affordable 30-4th one. I've got 0 anxiety in mine, can get to all my family spread out across the UK in 0-1 recharges. We don't therefore need an ice alternative which saves money

[@Lewis_Standing]

@@stevezodiac491 even if by some miracle you averaged 70mph that means a 550 mile journey took 7.8 hours. I suspect the real time figure was at least 10 hours allowing for lower speeds. I would want more than a 10 minute stop. Frankly your concentration would not have been up to scratch at various points what you did was dangerous. Ona 10 hour trip id be happy stopping much longer than that. Two hour stops would be fine by me. I believe you have unrealistic expectations or are not being wholly truthful now. Edit. The dacia sandero has a 50l fuel tank, it claims 40 - 50 mpg. It therefore has a range of 50/4.5 x 40-50 = 444 to 533 miles. You're claiming 580 miles of range. So you also on a super fast high speed journey got super high mpg. Did I catch you in a lie?

[@johnvennell7311]

We need Far more Strategically placed Card swipe E.V chargers , It’s going back to the 19th Century ,Stupid Damned Apps to get a charge , Encouraged by those Nerds Who love all that Apps nonsense, I’m thinking of going back to Diesels, Too much of a worry,

[@pt6423]

All subjunctive and not scientific for a 'real range' test. Too many variables.

[@ModernHeroes]

🙄 most people’s journeys aren’t scientific or under prescribed conditions either.

[@yaronvasker5105]

חחחח

[@enchantress7940]

So would you recommend the car, or is a pile of shite?