Unlocking the MYSTERY of Medieval GUILDS

[@ModernKnight]

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[@chrisdooley1184]

@@ModernKnight wow cheers for this effort! I’m definitely going to peruse what they are offering Jason! On another topic I sure hope you make similar videos regarding everyday, life like what to expect from staying at an inn or how to get food to go etc…..

[@soul0360]

​@@chrisdooley1184Go to his back catalogue and search for the video "What happens when you visit a medieval inn" As I recall, it explains. What to expect when you arrive, board, food, drink. If you're a merchent, how your pack animals and wares, are taken care of.

[@Strash1892]

I completed an apprenticeship as a painter on stained glass and porcelain. In Germany, the apprenticeship for each trade now takes three years and if you pass the final exam and the journeyman's work is accepted, you receive the journeyman's title. I am a journeyman glass painter now and although there are no longer any craft guilds here, I am entitled to use the coat of arms of the German painters' trade. This is a red shield on which three small silver shields are arranged in a triangle shape, with two at the top and the third at the bottom.

[@hemaccabe4292]

That's very interesting! Thank you!

[@parkerbrown-nesbit1747]

Congratulations!

[@debbiecurtis4021]

I would like to learn to make stained glass making.

[@TomLaios]

I envy you.I've been making stained glass for nearly 30 years and have done a bit of glass painting .I'm strictly self taught.It is a really difficult art to master.Unfortunately the demand for glass painting is very limited here in Australia .

[@cyberflightfpv4184]

That is epic! I took a blacksmithing class for a week a few years back and i thought that was pretty brag worthy🤣🤣🤣 I’m very impressed with your dedication to those trades. Please keep those skills alive in your life

[@nancypine9952]

When I was working on my genealogy I came across a case where a man died, and the people of his town were responsible for ensuring that his family survived. One of the things the town did was arrange an apprenticeship for the oldest boy with a highly regarded blacksmith. From what I've read, such apprenticeships often cost money, and in this case the town covered the cost.

[@liberatumtaiwanae3580]

Love from Taipei. Amazin share! tks!

[@TadeuszCantwell]

I remember from my history class that later in the guild system fees to join were introduced which barred some from joining as they increased their monopoly, so that there were some that had better skills than a guild master, but were unaffiliated. I think being a freeman of the city didn't become such a big thing anymore etc, the power of a guild to stop others not doing a trade decreased and they became more exclusive.

[@kellydalstok8900]

Just like Pip in Great Expectations.

[@sirloin8745]

Did the old man just invent the first Royal Family? 😂

[@alexinfinite7142]

Modern day world needs to think more like this

[@Swedishmafia101MemeCorporation]

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[@jennifertalwar6099]

Perfectly said!!

[@Illusionistofthecourt]

Hear! Hear!

[@minerwaweasley1008]

As a masterpiece?

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

Too right!

[@tyree9055]

The Unsubscribers Guild takes offense at this, good sir! Take back your remark or face our wrath! 🤣👍

[@boku5192]

In the kingdom of Hungary the guilds vere often in charge of maintaining a part the city walls. To this day you can find things like "tailors battlement" or "tanners tower" deriving its names from the guilds that build them and took care of them. Many churches have side altars or stained glass windows donated as a collective gift from some guild.

[@midyson]

I live in oxford New College bought land about 700 years ago, and as part of that contract they had to maintain a section of the city wall. That section is still in place and maintained today

[@BlackReaper0]

"I was thrown out of the hat makers guild so now I'm a wild hat maker" does sound like a rpg character backstory.

[@Nyeupe-Nguvu]

. So...... a *_Mad Hatter ??_*

[@NamelessVoice]

Well, where else did you think all those outlaws and highwaymen got their hats from?

[@neilbodwell9172]

Either that or a television show so bad it's good.

[@harveywallbanger3123]

Pft. A mere Hedge Hatter.

[@MannyBrum]

​@@Nyeupe-NguvuFun fact, hatters in the 1700s and 1800s used mercury in the process of making hats which would put them at risk of mercury poisoning which causes brain damage that results in various symptoms such as twitching, slurred speech and mood disorders that made people believe they were crazy. It was called Mad Hatter Disease. Just another one of many things in history that makes you wonder what we're doing today that is harming us that we haven't yet traced the cause to out own technology, because pretty much every period in history has a great number of these.

[@AnUndivine]

I am a tradesman, and in some trades it's feast or famine. During some times of year there's so much overtime that you'll never see your family, and during other times there's basically no work. I don't know how things were in the Medieval period, but it can't be much different for some tradesmen back then. So I can see why guilds would be valuable for their support of their members during slow periods.

[@Yora21]

I'm a gardener in the trade of growing potted plants. We have that big, but at least it's predictable. March to May it's regular overtime every week, then there's a big slump June and July, and we're basically closing down during December and January. But at least we're working in greenhouses with automated watering systems. II imagine the farmers have it considerably worse with their grain fields.

[@SierraNovemberKilo]

I've come across sources where they calculate the labouring people only worked (as in employment) for 14 weeks of the year and hence were available to contribute to the building of civic buildings such as churches and cathedrals. (the latter would be voluntary )

[@michaelj132]

I think Jason has another video referencing 'duel traded' people, for want of a better term. Performing one trade in summer using the light and another in winter when conditions do not allow the first. Quite interesting and maybe not as common these days. Perhaps more common with young people working in holiday summer jobs and then working a ski resort in winter.

[@shelbynamels7948]

@@michaelj132 you just described what Major League Baseball used to be.

[@agentm83]

A lot of people who work in construction here in Canada get laid off for the winter every year. Definitely a lot of ups and downs...

[@StarlasAiko]

Journeymen did have to go on a journey, a Walz, to become a Master (at least in Germany). They had to work for five different Masters for a minimum of one year each, and those Masters had to be based a minimum of 50km (31miles) apart from each other. This is to give the Journeyman experiences from outside their local region and become Masters of their craft. To this day, in Germany, Craft Journeymen have to be working in their craft for 5 years before they are allowed to start the training process for becomming a Master (basically, business management school for small businesses), but for most part, they no longer have to go on the Walz. Many towns and cities still to this day have bording homes for travelling journeymen, called Kolping Haus, named after the founder of the hostel chain, who didn't want Journeymen to suffer homelessness like he did during his Walz.

[@sebastianlucius1259]

In England, too, obviously. That's where the word comes from.

[@MlorenDraymeer]

@@sebastianlucius1259 It's not. "Journeyman" comes from the French "journée" which means "whole day" because they were paid a daily wage. It has no connection to the English word "journey" and the spelling is a coincidence.

[@sebastianlucius1259]

@@MlorenDraymeer One never stops learning.

[@myriamickx7969]

In France, they still have the same process as described by @StarlasAlko for Germany for skilled craftworkers. A journeyman (called "compagnon” in French) has to perform his Tour de France (nothing to do with the famous cycling race!), working for several different Masters and going from place to place. I don't know how long it takes, but at the end of his journey, the journeyman has to produce his masterpiece, after which he is admitted as a Master.

[@HauptgefreiterB]

@@myriamickx7969 Couldn't help myself but to envision French craftsmen in traditional clothing, all merrily biking away and ringing their bells while competing for the win an obscure medieval version of the Tour de France... On a more serious note, thank you for contributing your pieces of information. That sounds indeed like a somewhat universal requirement or early "standardization" for European craftsmen.

[@parkeryourefired]

Feral haberdashers wandering the wilds to hat an unexpecting adventurer sounds like the kind of story we need.

[@MonkeyJedi99]

So... mad hatters?

[@davidtauriainen9116]

Dire Haberdashers

[@peterlynchchannel]

@@MonkeyJedi99 Somewhat irate hatters, to be specific.

[@CoedtwrchWild]

“Monstrous Milliners”? “Hoary Haberdashers”? “Chaparral Cappers”? Sorry 😂

[@kingj282]

There are a ton of history channels on YT, and this is one of my favorites

[@damienomen68]

Close to the most immediately fascinating.

[@Stefon02554]

im a farrier. i started about 5 years ago, inspired by the master apprentice bond and living closer to ancestors as they did. its definitely a different mindset in the work environment apposed to a more modern job. theres a lot of comradery and your name means everything.

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

How does anyone even get started with a career putting shoes on horses?

[@woo1818]

@@MatthewTheWanderer there are farrier schools

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@woo1818 Really!?

[@woo1818]

@@MatthewTheWanderer yeah, check out the American Farriers’ Association

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

@@woo1818 Interesting. I don't actually want to become one, I'm just curious.

[@sparsh415]

Hello Jason, I know what our family role was back in Medieval Times as our surname is Sparshott. In old English it was Speresholt which means shafts which were made from wood which were used for Spears so we were Spear makers. I think this would gave been a good trade considering the amount of conflict in the Medieval times + we wouldn`t have been used for the actual fighting as we were supplying the Weaponry to our Lord. 🙂

[@LynneFarr]

Another winner! As a Genealogists, I'm familiar with the 7-year Indentured servitude contracts and the bound apprenticeships of Colonial America. Now I know where the idea came from. Another thing that moved across the pond early on. We'll done!

[@geoffpriestley7310]

My parents signed indenture for me when I started work apprentice. i was16 it lasted still I was 21 years old on reduced pay. This was back in 1971 we had to pass 2 City and guilds exams as a minimum to get full pay

[@evanray8413]

@@geoffpriestley7310 C and g is over 50 years old? Da hell..

[@geoffpriestley7310]

@@evanray8413 they can be a thousands years old but some still operated the indenture system up into a few years ago . I've had apprentices. the best one was an adult with in a year of doing the 18 month course he had a job with the local council and 6 months later he was the supervisor. I've had a few that did make past the 3 month mark. Said it was boring they must have been watching confessions of a plumber

[@kellydalstok8900]

Many young European men who went to North America in the late 1940s and the 1950s to work for farmers were indentured servants who had to work without wages until they paid off their fare. Since the wages were very low anyway, this period was quite long, and because they didn’t speak the language and the farms were often quite remote, running away wasn’t an option.

[@rfvtgbzhn]

​​@@geoffpriestley7310something like this still exists in some countries like Germany and Austria. For example in Germany they still have this 2-tier system, so you have to do one exam to become a journeyman (Geselle in German), which is enough to be employed in the crafty and another one to become a master (Meister) for which you also have to learn accounting and a bit of economy (but also sometimes deliver a masterpiece) and with that you can open your own company. The main difference to the old guilds is that the power of the modern equivalent is greatly reduced, especially the state regulates what they can do and what crafts they cover and how long apprenticeship takes (usually 3 or 4 years), they have no power in your private life and if they sanction you in some way (which they can do for illegal business practices) you can go to court. Also you don't vote individuals into the councils, but lists, and not only masters are allowed to vote (though 2/3 of the votes are reserved for employers, so employees are essentially powerless im them, but they have trade unions).

[@LyneaFlynn]

Depending on which profession you choose, you still have the opportunity to be a journeyman here in Germany. Especially woodworkers still do it, though it has become way less common nowadays, of course. They always stand out on the street because they wear their traditional black corduroy clothes. We call them "der Wandergeselle" or just "der Geselle", which equals the rank of journeyman in the trade hierarchy, though there are a couple of regional names, too. According to Wikipedia it seems to even be part of the Intangible Cultural Heritage by UNESCO since 2015. It can be compared to a foreign exchange year: Learning new techniques, training your social skills, making connections with people, learning independence, and so on. According to the people I've talked to, it can also be pretty straining, though. Still, it's certainly an experience that can shape the course of lives.

[@marisahokefazi4735]

American Unions have them, too. I enjoyed feting a building engineer friend at his graduation to Journeyman in the International Union of Operating Engineers.

[@walkir2662]

Yeah, I bet more than a few of them got a job that way - doing the Walz, train at a place, the Meister teaching yo udecides to retire and has no heir interested in taking over... and/or maybe married that way.

[@katthompson3852]

As a law student with a deep seated fascination for medieval history this is so informative on many levels. ❤ this channel!!! Thank you so much. ❤from NZ 🇳🇿

[@1Clearwords]

Deep-seated😊

[@katthompson3852]

@@1Clearwords yep... study fatigue... 😄

[@MarvelDcImage]

Bar association is a guild.

[@joanapastor7485]

@@MarvelDcImage In some terms yes. In Portugal the training used to be paid or unpaind. My was unpaid. The lawyers have specific social welfare, which did not cover in case if you get sick. sometimes I jock that the medivel guilds would procted more members than the portuguese welfare which are provide the welfare fund that lawyers are cumpulsory to pay every moth.

[@flapjakhatstak]

I’m a drain tech, a roto-rooter guy if you will. My profession is definitely a descendant of the gong farmers. We still do well. The guys who deal with septic tanks are the true heirs though.

[@AdventuresofVindalf]

A wild hatter living in Sherwood, and making hats for all the Merry Men could be a fun story.

[@JohnyG29]

Making rubbish hats...

[@sp33kz]

Rebellion Entertainment presents: Wild Hatter

[@tommeakin1732]

"The Bad Hatter"

[@4thllamaofthealpacolypse712]

Maybe he was reduced to making hoods?

[@clueless4085]

​@@sp33kz I'd play it. Sounds like a cross between Fable and Monster Hunter.

[@robingray5037]

Thank you for all the research done and presenting it in a relaxed manner.

[@thurayya8905]

A commercial suddenly came on and I had to stop it and go back to replay the end and make sure I hadn't somehow cut him off.

[@stephenbenner4353]

As a Master electrician, all I had to do was take another test a year after my journeyman’s test. A modern master’s license doesn’t mean anything in regards to skill, but it is importan for various business/legal purposes. I wish there were more skill based assessments for journeymen and masters. As it is, there are kids taking electrical classes I high school and graduating as journeymen with no skills or experience. Years after obtaining my master’s license, I feel like I am a master now, but there’s really nobody to assess that.

[@walkir2662]

In which country?

[@debbiecurtis4021]

My son starts his course in September. He'll do 3 years on electrics.

[@stephaniewilson3955]

The Anglo-Saxon Frith was a way of maintaining order. Once a boy reached maturity he was initiated into his frith. This would be a group of about 10 men who were held responsible for each other. (If one misbehaved they all got punished.) They would range in age from what we could consider a child to the oldest man in the village/town. This was peer pressure used to ensure orderly conduct.

[@celestialceilagor3802]

I think this idea but where everyone including the wrongdoer is also rewarded for outing them would work very well today, how could you be mad at your frith for snitching if you also profit a little in the end not so much that its encouraged ofc

[@KwadDamyj]

Possibly related to the ritual of decimatio in the Roman Legion?

[@zimzob]

@@KwadDamyjthe more apt analogy would be to the Roman _contubernium_ ,a grouping of 8 legionnaires plus two supporting slaves who all shared a tent on campaign ; the punishment of decimation involved each _contubernium_ drawing lots for the one unfortunate soul would suffer the _fustuarium_ at the hands of his tent-mates.

[@Takame7]

What a smart system

[@hadesmcfadden2982]

@@Takame7 sure, if you like authoritarian systems that tamped down anything that was considered "out of order" and maintained a status quo based on what exactly? What a bunch of old men thought was appropriate? Probably worked well enough for the period but yeah, no thanks.

[@misolgit69]

there's the Ankh-Morpork Seamstresses Guild, also known as Ladies of Negotiable Affection

[@CeciliaKronvall]

Ha ha, I got that reference!😉

[@cweaver4080]

Guards! Guards!

[@kellydalstok8900]

And also the Assassin’s Guild and the Clown’s Guild.

[@karensumpter7752]

Yes, I’m surprised that that profession didn’t get a mention.

[@J_A_W_]

@@kellydalstok8900 Don’t forget about the beggars guild, which happens to be the oldest biggest and richest of the guilds.

[@zactorbeam3809]

I love this guys enthusiasm. If I had a teacher like this I would have stayed in school.

[@JoshuaTootell]

You probably did. You just ignored them like the rest of us.

[@kathleenorr9237]

Very interesting to learn about the Guilds and how important they were. As you say being an apprentice could be hard but a roof over your head and food in your belly was a big plus then I’d imagine. Gong farmer and nightsoil- how wonderfully polite terms!

[@claymor5057]

Literally subscribed last night and have been binge watching your videos, love your stuff Sir!

[@ModernKnight]

Welcome aboard!

[@AVKnecht]

In my hometown of Nuremberg the guilds were forbidden because the journeymen lost a fight against the patricians in 1348.

[@Yora21]

And over in Lübeck, the merchants guild had hired mercenary armies on their payroll and once send a raiding fleet to Copenhagen to raze the Danish king's castle.

[@loreman7267]

​@@Yora21Epic DnD story, right there!

[@ryan.1990]

German history is amazing

[@changeintheair9648]

@Modern History TV - Canadian high school teacher: LOVE your videos. I use them in many of my school lessons. This one is wonderful as I don't have one for guilds. Going to use this video. THANK YOU!

[@ModernKnight]

Wonderful, please do, and say hello to your students from me please!

[@Bjarkenb]

11:03 "We grant you the title of Master, but we will not grant you a seat at the council"

[@Yora21]

That's outrageous. It's unfair.

[@loreman7267]

'Qi-Gon's defiance I see in you - need that, you do not!'

[@Beryllahawk]

Great topic to discuss!!! I love the idea of Wild Hatters making bad hats for adventurers honestly, haha! It seemed to me that if the guild system had perhaps been refined a bit more, there could have been groups like that for sell-swords and other unusual professions. I think one reason the idea of adventurer's guilds is SO popular, too, is that it gives a way for the highly chaotic effects of adventuring to NOT wreck the local countryside and local economy, haha. You bring your loot to the Guild, and *they* handle whatever needs to be done with it (whether that's acting as a fence or something simpler). I recall reading a book on 1500s France, and being astonished at the huge list of something like 75 guilds present in the city. (Can't remember now if it was Paris or not, I read this over thirty years ago!) And it made me understand even more how specialized certain things could be - that there were guilds for no less than eight different "stages" of cloth-making, which a fantasy setting would simply lump all together under "Weaver's Guild." But it was VERY plain that the people of the 1500s did not see the process of cloth making as all one big streamlined arc of industry. It really got me into examining all those things we modern folks take for granted, from the bits of lace on a garment to the shapes of candles to well - you name it, it probably has roots somewhere in the medieval/early modern transition! And the guilds must have influenced a lot of what we see as normal.

[@CricketsBay]

Probably Nime. Cloth manufacturer was very big there in the medieval period. And, yes, the people definitely did not view each step or process of Mali cloth as part of one big happy community.

[@ccityplanner1217]

1:00: I can't imagine any sort of guardroom or armoury in a mediæval city wall being so cluttered, because if you're attacked, then you're going to be in a rush to get the weapons, & you don't want to stumble & hurt yourselves.

[@hauntedbarbiedoll]

I was not expecting to hear my job come up, but I guess it makes sense. Scrivener work has been needed as long as bureaucracy has existed and nobody wants to deal with that for free xD.

[@debbiecurtis4021]

It's a big business in Japan. If you want to buy a house in Japan, you must pay a scrivener to draw up the paperwork.

[@songofshadow5043]

Is there a difference between a scrivener and a scribe?

[@hauntedbarbiedoll]

@@songofshadow5043 it looks like a scribe was mostly associated with people that make copies of documents before printers, but it also looks like that a scrivener can be a scribe. I don't make copies of documents so much as I take information that's given to me from organizations and plug it into all the different government forms while knowing all the different quirks and unwritten specificities that they want about it.

[@songofshadow5043]

@@hauntedbarbiedoll Thanks for the response. That's interesting

[@jamesanderson6769]

Another fantastic video, thank you. I think my next d&d character will be a gong farmer apprentice.

[@Snackbar916]

This video was brought to you by the guild of millers, true bread for true romans.

[@Glimmlampe1982]

Unlikely, as millers didn't have guilds as they were seen as outcasts, similar to executioners. Even their kids weren't allowed to join other guilds therefore ;)

[@A.J.1656]

Mockery of their one god will be kept to an appropriate minimum!

[@Lee-jh6cr]

HBO's Rome!

[@josxxiv]

Am I the only one who thought the video started suddenly, without the introduction montage, and ended abruptly without Jason’s usual sign off?

[@feliciagaffney1998]

I definitely noticed it cut off suddenly. I thought I missed something. When the commercial came up, I thought there would be more of his talking.

[@allieeverett9017]

Just a thought...he doesn't really need either...

[@ezforsaken]

beware when wandering in the woods at night, a wild hat maker can suddenly appear and sell you a poor quality hat.

[@paulamcclure3402]

The Mad Hatter, perhaps?!! 😄🎩

[@tylerphuoc2653]

@@paulamcclure3402 Mad because they're huffing shit like mercury or arsenic in making such debonair garments

[@Wintermute909]

No, no, no they were just trying to stand up to big-hat-industrial-complex and the men-in-black-hats were clearly trying to discredit these brave truth-hat-seekers!

[@davidgee1451]

Though born in London much of my working life was spent in Dundee, Scotland. There they still have the 'Nine Incorporated Trades' - guilds that in the middle ages virtually ran every aspect of trade and life in the city. From running apprentiships; maintaining professional standards; keeping city walls in good repair; running the courts and imposing punishments and fines (even to witch trials!) Largely now the 'Nine Trades' has become a symbolic group, yet still they exert influance for good and fundraise for local worthy causes.

[@eloquentsarcasm]

My Scottish ancestors were Rankins as part of the MacLeans, not sure about my English side but I DO know they were the Horne surname. The Rankins were distillers of fine whisky and it seems the Hornes did just about every profession from cobbler to soldier and everything in between. All in all, good "salt of earth" folk, craftspeople and humble tradesfolk, I have nothing but pride in thinking of them. I'm an amateur smith, and spent a good chunk of my life as a fishmonger/butcher and baker as well as my best years as an Army Ranger, Pity I never picked up candlestick making, could have scored the Holy Trifecta! Hopefully my ancestors look upon me with pride for carrying on in their fashion. The closest "Guild" I've found in modern times was the training I went thru as a butcher, we had the classic Apprentice/Journeyman/Master rankings years ago, but nowadays everything is pre-cut and packaged, the young guys don't even know how to pull the chain on a tenderloin or remove the silverskin, let alone know how to skin a salmon without a knife (sigh). I'll always be thankful to the old neighbor I had who taught me the basics of smithing, that mentor/apprentice relationship is a special one.

[@raindancer6111]

When I was at school in the late 60s I was part of the school choir. We would sing in the church services for the Fanmakers Guild in London. My late father was an apprentice, then journeyman printer. His apprenticeship lasted 9 years. He was payed while he was indentured but one of the terms of his apprenticeship was that he was not allowed to marry during that time. An apprentice's pay would not support a wife and so they had to wait until they became journeymen.

[@rhysodunloe2463]

We had a similar system in German towns too. Although Gilde (guild) refered only to merchants, while a craftmen's union was called Zunft (medieval expression for "something done the proper way", "fitting" or simply "according to the rules"). In the 19th century the Zunftzwang ("guild obligation", you couldn't work in your profession unless you were a member of your local Zunft) was lifted and since then trade unions are called Innung (an old expression for connection). Many craftsmen like plumbers or electricians still organize in a local Innung. The controlling instance (aprentice and master exams, work quality) is done by so called chambers (Kammer) on a regional or federal state level.

[@Yora21]

Many of their functions are still very much continued in the Chambers of Commerce and Trade. Like the whole apprenticeship and master system.

[@nahte123]

This is very timely! Yesterday was opening day of Blade Show in Atlanta, Georgia, where bladesmiths present knives to a panel of 7 master bladesmiths to decide if they receive journeyman or master smith ranks in the American Bladesmith Society.

[@silverback888]

Again, first class delivery of medieval information on our ancestors daily lives. A pleasure to watch and listen 😁

[@carinanderson8239]

I'm a member of a modern guild, The Animation Guild in Los Angeles. Started as a trainee/apprentice (after going to art school) and worked my way up to journeyman. All the big studios have contracts with the Animation Guild. The guild looks out for the artists, the studios would have us work for nothing if they could.

[@peterlynchchannel]

Guilds also played an important role in medieval militaries. Guild members formed the town militias and armed themselves according the the requirements of their guild. When towns fulfilled their military obligations to their ruler (king, duke, count, prince), the guild members went to war. The guild members of some towns would hire themselves out as mercenaries to fulfill the obligations of another town.

[@eplumer]

Though not called as such, many modern trades are still effectively guilds. Electricians, plumbers, etc.

[@missioncomplete420]

I was thinking the same thing with unions and stuff

[@iDEATH]

@@missioncomplete420 I think that may have been the case with early unions, but today I think they're more lobbyist groups that grew out of those local unions as travel became cheaper and easier. I don't think the modern iteration of unions is all that great, to be honest. They're as big a recipe for abuse of power and corruption as government itself.

[@torianholt2752]

And they still use some of the same nomenclature, journeyman for example.

[@SuperFunkmachine]

one does an apprenticeship and if your know for doing crap work or being crap to work with your not going to get much work.

[@bostonrailfan2427]

@@SuperFunkmachineunless you have clout, in which case they look the other way and continue to turn a blind eye until you lose it or quit

[@paulamcclure3402]

Outstanding historic snapshot of the Medieval Guilds and their enduring influence into modern times. Thank you for the wonderfully enjoyable video presentation as well. Best regards from "across the pond". 🇺🇸 🌎 🕊

[@bookwormaddict3933]

I have a Master's Degree in Ancient and Classical History. I find channel's like Jason's useful in filling in the blanks that are not fully covered in history classes. I have an abiding fascination for the Medieval Period as well as the Dark Ages and especially Rome.

[@BlaBla-pf8mf]

In many cases Journeymen were supposed to travel for a few years and learn new stuff, see new things. This tradition still exists to this day for some crafts especially in Germany where is called Wanderjahre.

[@Takame7]

A precursor to the gap year maybe?

[@Forester-]

@Takame7 I think it's more akin to a study abroad program. The purpose of traveling was to learn new methods and technologies in your craft. I can see how useful that would be back then given the slow speed that information could travel.

[@lubbertdas3797]

Guilds left lots of written documents which have alowed for a better understanding of life in the past, they can be as valuable as religious records to reconstruct the biographies of artists, printers, bookbinders, and other makers from before the renaissance.

[@MrRufusjax]

These guilds sound like state bar associations for attorneys. They seem to be exactly the same thing. Pay dues, set standards, make rules, dole out fines for noncompliance, protect the public and the profession's reputation in the community, etc.

[@genelane2243]

Lawyers are a bad comparison for guilds simply because of the internal corruption of their governing boards (bars) in the US.

[@MrRufusjax]

@@genelane2243 you think the guilds weren't corrupt?

[@genelane2243]

@@MrRufusjax I think the State Bars, Medical Boards and labor unions are more corrupt than the guilds are likely to have been. Power corrupts, so the heads of guilds were likely skimming and scamming their way to wealth.

[@joshuawine5123]

@@MrRufusjax or marine pilot associations

[@mr.r2362]

@@MrRufusjax Guilds are actually more like modern trade Unions, mainly due to the fact that quality work and not being a legalistic parasite on the community was valued in the medieval and middle ages. Lawyers are verbose, sociopathic chihuahuas that don't produce any works of art or useful services to the community, they take instead of give 9 times our of ten. So the question I have for you is: what do you have against being useful and productive?

[@deborahdanhauer8525]

I had always thought a guild was much like our unions today. I now see they were much more powerful than most unions ever became and really held a different role altogether. Thank you for the wonderful video as always. I truly laughed out loud at that last bit!❤️🐝🤗

[@blackeyedlily]

I recently watch a video about the Goldsmiths Guildhall in London. It went over the history of the site and that three subsequent buildings have been built on it over the years. Then they gave a tour of some of the rooms in the current building, which were quite spectacular! And it was my understanding that in addition to being the site of their regular business, the rooms can be rented for events like weddings. It was a very interesting history.

[@minerwaweasley1008]

Thanks, great video! I like how you slowly introduce us to your castle 😃 You have a beautiful chair, quite like it was made by a talented member of the Throne Makers Guild. I just wanted to add that the various guilds also had defensive duties to the city and their members were required to do military exercises. In medieval Krakow, each guild was assigned a piece of the city walls, which it had to defend in the event of war or armed invasion. Particularly powerful guilds even had their 'own’ towers within the city walls: the Shoemakers‘ Tower, the Saddlers’ Tower, the Needle-makers‘ Tower, the Passamonics’ Tower.... Some of these have survived to this day.

[@claudiuleucuta1883]

As well in the cites of Transylvania

[@PalleRasmussen]

Congrats on your new horse Jason. He is beautiful.

[@TheZackofSpades]

It’s always fascinating taking stock of how far worker conflict with “foreigners” goes back…even when said foreigner was some bloke a half-day’s journey up north

[@clueless4085]

I absolutely love your videos, Mr. Kingsley. Endlessly fascinating and wonderdully shot and presented. Cheers from the Great Lakes.

[@ItsASuckyName]

Imagine traveling through the wilderness, and suddenly you hear a person from behind a bush say "pssst, hey, want to buy some bad hats?"

[@HosCreates]

😂

[@bolengerin]

maybe not the wilderness, but you will hear those very words in Jamaica

[@Zarl451]

Great video and an intriguing topic! Lots to take away for the next D&D city I need to create!

[@Hondo79]

Love your channel and all of its content! Throughly enjoy it w my sons . Thank you for all you have done !

[@amnesiai]

One of the only channels I watch every video all the way through!

[@Carnivorousplanthelp]

I have been watching this channel for a long time and watching it grow too! I am so thankful for the history you teach, your positive, uplifting attitude and just the overall enjoyment of the channel!

[@Darkwolfe73]

You have a perfect balance of interesting and informative material and tone of voice. Loved the vid, and the fact that you didn't make absolute statements about things you weren't sure about. Excellent job, definitely subbed.

[@brightantwerp]

Nice information. I practice archery at an archtersguild, which is existing for centuries.

[@kasandramckenna3250]

I’ve just discovered your channel. I’m not sure how the algorithm has missed bringing me your videos before now since I watch tons of history KZbin. Anyway, I watched two videos and subscribed. As an American who is fascinated by English history, I appreciate a fresh perspective and your ability to paint a scene with your story telling. Cheers!

[@ModernKnight]

welcome!

[@Takame7]

What a great video. I’ve always been fascinated by the Guilds, specifically after living in the City of London many years ago. There are references everywhere to Guilds. I also loved that aspects of the content made you, and us, laugh. It makes history so much more relatable and enjoyable.

[@nodarkthings]

Very interesting, thanks! Here in Beverley there's a medieval guilds trail with 40 sculptures depicting the different guilds. I'll have to check them all out!

[@thurayya8905]

Thank you for this lovely overview of the guilds.

[@ModernKnight]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Drety6]

Good video, the pace was conversational , well done

[@Arkantos117]

With the amount of dodgy plumbers, builders, roofers etc around I'd welcome back some guild monopolies.

[@mathgasm8484]

I am a beekeeper and a honey guild would be interesting.

[@Bildo1986]

Aren't they called unions now. 😝

[@CrizzyEyes]

it's called licensing, that's what's replaced guilds

[@Arkantos117]

@@CrizzyEyes It's really not the same thing.

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@Arkantos117 you were talking about shady tradesmen, that's what both guilds and licensing were designed to prevent not sure why you would want price fixing to make a return, which is the other thing that guilds were known for

[@FancifulSKey4468]

Another interesting vid so thanks. On the note of Dung guilds importance, I was told Ghandi championed attempts to collect gas from dung to be used for cooking. The stuff still trying to be utilised in the modern day! Too right i guess... still odd to think about.

[@walkir2662]

Guilds in the HRE and modern Germany As for social stuff I know about their HRE versions, they organized Masses for the members and had their own tavern (rooms), which often (it's the HRE...) even served as organizational sub units. And also meant traveling guild members (apprentices, for example - you occasionally see someone go so traditional they travel the country in the guild’s “uniform” to learn from different masters. Obviously hasn’t been required for a century, but it’s apparently still useful as it became relevant again in the 80s?) didn't need a "public" tavern. Crossing the Guilds... yeah, some places lost influence because industrialization was prevented *way* too long. Even in Germany today, the old guild structure still partially exists - and not just in the entire vocational training with apprenticeships being at least as important as universities. The ranks of apprentice (Lehrling), journeyman (Geselle - which is when you travel for 3 years or so. I though that’s were English “journey” in journeyman comes from; sometimes had their own unions to balance out the masters) and master craftsman (Meister) are very relevant; you need to pass your apprenticeship to become a Geselle, then graduate a special school that includes business and legal training to become a Meister and train apprentices. It even counts as a bachelor’s degree and some jobs even require being a Meister to open a business today - and after liberalization, it was recently agreed to reimplement it for a dozen jobs because quality suffered too much. ...you could argue goldsmiths turned into bankers? The master goldsmiths would be very intrigues by that idea...

[@sharonkaczorowski8690]

After returning from WWII (Navy bomber in the Pacific) my father apprenticed to become a meteorologist. Always found that fascinating. He ended up running experiments in situation where everyone else was a PhD. The Middle Ages have long been a sort of hobby for me in part because they are so important to the development of modern history. Though it really started as a child reading the Robin Hood stories and stories of Arthur. When my sister insisted on playing princess I invented female medieval knights, lol. Princesses were boring…who wants to wait for rescue? Not moi.

[@bigjo66]

I love your videos about medieval life, absolutely top work Jason, thank you.

[@Philipk65]

That was a very interesting vid on guilds. Like all the videos on Modern History I always learn something interesting. This one was about apprentices and what mischief they might get up to.

[@harleylivingstone1504]

We all need to get this man knighted. all his videos, research, physical training and persuit of sharing knowledge . By far the most resourceful channel on the whole of youtube

[@CricketsBay]

In case you didn't know: In addition to being CEO and Creative Director of Rebellion Developments, Sir Jason Kingsley IS A KNIGHT. He and his brother were appointed Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE) in Queen Elizabeth's 2012 Birthday Honours for services to the economy and Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE) in the 2024 New Year Honours for services to the creative industries.

[@CricketsBay]

Also, his KZbin handle being ModernKnight should have been a clue. You should Google him.

[@ionacjohnj.59]

How I missed this. I have seen pictures what you shared with us. But this information video. Thank you!

[@philipsmith7913]

A well researched piece, presented in period style. Thanks

[@Gagefrederick]

The channel rocks. Love the content. Thanks for all the information!

[@ModernKnight]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@MrBigCookieCrumble]

I found this to be an incredible interesting video and topic, would love to learn more about guilds and their activites. I'm somewhat familiar with the hanse, as it had a big impact on swedish and baltic sea history (myself being swedish), which was potentially one of if not the largest and most 'extreme' (for lack of better words) version of what a guild system could evolve into. Love from sweden!

[@ModernKnight]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@jacquelinetaylor8683]

Preston, Lancashire has been holding a Guild Fair since 1179 and since 1542 it settled to approximately every 20 years except for 1942 when the war intervened and the Guild was moved to 1952. The Guild Court still convenes every 20 years and freemen confirm their name on the roll and also included the names of their offspring in a new roll. The town has a Guild fair in September when the Guild court is officially opened for 2 weeks when many attractions and functions take place including trade floats in large processions. The Guild courts closure is announced after two weeks and the process of arranging the next Guild starts again.

[@maxasaurus3008]

We still use all this in the Trades to this very day. You rock Sir J!

[@Gabrong]

growing up in a village and visiting a big city for the first time still hits the same

[@Chaddalf]

This video made me reconsider everytime I say "I'm gonna farm some gold." in videogames.

[@wesmaass4669]

What a great video. I love stuff about Guilds, I like to see some detailed videos about medieval contracts. And the role of a medieval Notary.

[@eepee_eepee]

I recently looked around your channel for a video on guilds just like this! perfect timing :)

[@harag9]

Great episode, very interesting view, many thanks!

[@aubarlowe]

thank you so much!!! I've been pushing off deep-dive researching guilds because I was having a lot of trouble with it before. This video has helped a ton!

[@segomatu7063]

Bonjour Chevalier ! In France in the middle age we had the famous "Compagnons du tour de France" mostly in the Construction field. They still exist today as Builders, Carpenters, Joiners, Plasterers ... They are a kind "secret society", I like to call them a sort of "working class aristocracy". During the 18th and 19th centuries they were known to often have between them, violent and dangerous fights sometimes leading to the death of one of them ! Lots of police reports attest that. Voilà !

[@MH-gb5ky]

In Germany something like those guilds still exists today- they are called "Innung", and there is one for most traditional crafts (like carpenter, blacksmith, baker, etc), and they are in charge of the regulations for the apprenticeships in their craft.

[@ross-smithfamily6317]

There is still the Journeyman stage for electricians here in the United States. "To become a journeyman electrician, you must complete a rigorous apprenticeship program that includes classroom hours and supervised work experience. The required number of hours varies by licensing jurisdiction, but typically includes 500-1,000 classroom hours and 8,000-10,000 hours of on-the-job training."

[@Mikeztarp]

I love that you dug into the etymology too.

[@thesparkypilot]

This is really cool. I served a 5 year commercial/industrial electrical apprenticeship and can identify with the frustrations and also people having their apprenticeship extended 😆. We did get paid though, and once we were close to finishing we made really good money. It’s the original trade school, a system that works well and that I wish would attract more young people looking for great careers!

[@ModernKnight]

did you fight with the fishmongers?!

[@retroarcadefan]

Thanks for each and every one of your videos! Very informative and engaging!

[@carlettoburacco9235]

Sure there were abuses and injustices according to the modern view but there were strict rules against them. Regarding the "guilds" in Italy that had other names, I have read many times about a motto "Burdens and honors". ( "Oneri e onori" it's difficult to translate. Burdens in the sense of duties of the leaders and honors in the sense of money and power) As you said the leaders had the duty to educate and support apprentices and members and only if their actions were "right" could they have the honors. At least in theory. Nowadays we might need to move things towards this type of balance again.

[@jdstocco84]

This was very educational. Thank you for the video, Jason.

[@bobholly3843]

Supposedly had family members from several generations ago help work in beer brewing in Bavaria. Not only was there laws to upkeep the quality of the beer, but apprentices were not even allowed to be left alone in the room with the beer until they had something like 10-12 years experience. I'm sure the number had been embellished a little each generation as the stories got passed down, but the point was apprenticeship was taken very seriously.

[@redsimonyt]

In continental Europe, particularly in the Holy Roman Empire, in Renaissance and also into the Napoleonic era, criminals were very well organised and could be seen as a kind of "thieves guild" with local, regional and even some international leaders and chapters, encompassing many groups (thieves, beggars, robbers, small merchants, jugglers, in general nomadic people, and as you can guess they also worked together with gypsies, in particularly exchanging information). I read a history book about it, but didn't delve deeper into the subject.

[@GigaBrowser]

Freaking love this channel. Awesome video

[@WayneBraack]

Love this sort of history. Makes for great background knowledge for my RPG playing and world building.

[@susanscott8653]

Great timing. I was wondering when you would post again. I have missed your informative episodes. My parents were both apprentices - my dad as a joined, I have his journeyman papers, and my Mum apprenticed to her father as a hairdresser.

[@janerkenbrack3373]

As you were describing guilds in the medieval times I am reminded of modern labor unions (at least in America, where I live). Except having armies. But the similarities are great. Establishing a standard of quality, promoting training of members and apprentices, negotiating with "royalty," insuring their own members, civically engaged, and so on.

[@CubeInspector]

Modern unions are just Marxist hellholes they're nothing like the guilds

[@walkir2662]

Well, the armies was probably about the Hanseatic League, where they ran the cities (a city had to leave the League when the local noble/bsihop took it over again).

[@Yora21]

Unions are very different from guilds. (Despite some American unions calling themselves guilds.) A union is an association of employees for collectively bargaining for acceptable labor conditions. A guild is an association of business owners for suppressing competition from outsiders and fixing prices.

[@Glimmlampe1982]

​@@walkir2662not just. In cities with guilds, at least in the holy Roman empire, the guilds had to be part of the cities military. Sending members as soldiers or paying mercenaries to do so. Often they had a specific part of the city wall they had to care for and defend. That's why citizen in "German" cities (and even wealthy farmers outside) were armed to the teeth. Depending on income there were regulations on what type of armor and weapons they had to own. Those times were even for all female guilds, like the weavers in Cologne or Frankfurt I think. Even though they didn't had to fight themselves, they were expected to pay soldiers

[@janerkenbrack3373]

@@Yora21 The similarities are great. Both control quality and wages, both protect members. I never said they were identical.

[@briq4339]

I began my apprenticeship 43 years ago and became a journeyman 4 years later. I appreciate the many close connections between guilds, unions and fraternal organizations and how they created the middle class of society. Terminology from naval guilds in particular permeated the industrial revolution as maritime engineers turned their skills towards steam and rail. Thanks for this fascinating look at medieval guilds.