Modesty: More Than A Dress Code, with Jamie Geller | Deep Meaningful Conversations Ep 7

[@susanjablow8618]

Great conversation! Thank you all for being candid and tsnius in discussing this sensitive topic!

[@alexfleksher1276]

Thanks Susan!

[@gilashroot8697]

Hashgachah pratit: I saw this link today after I asked myself how much to reveal about myself in different relationship contexts and what boundaries are in relation to Sniut. Thank you for an amazing job on, as you put it, a difficult topic to deal with positivity because of associations some people experience in different areas of Sniut. I think because you covered so many areas of Sniut in 1 podcast it was/is very helpful to explore and deal with creating a more comprehensive and positive view of Sniut.

[@alexfleksher1276]

Thanks for that great feedback! I’m glad the timing worked out so well for you!

[@freddiek797]

I support your show very much

[@carollynch9654]

I have a practical question regarding clothing. I am menopausal and often get very hot and therefore wear sleeveless clothing. How does one remain modest when going through hot flashes?

[@alexfleksher1276]

Probably loose, light clothing made with breathable fabrics.

[@salampakistan3691]

Interesting to listen to jewish women talk about "shanaa'ss" (I know I am spelling it wrong) as a muslim women, its like looking into alternate universe. We have the hijab and concept modesty too, similar struggle. I wear the burqa without veil in UK, I was born here to a pakistani family. I love the hijab, I feel like myself when I wear it, feel at home and just comfort. If I did not wear it, I would feel naked...for me its strange not wearing it. As I am a very spiritually inclined person, one God made complete sense to me even when young. When my athiest teachers questioned me about evidence and say wheres is the proof, for me it soo bizarre because I can see signs everywhere pointing towards God and signs even within myself. The athiest teachers used target me the most to draw me into a debate, soon as I walked into class they would drag me into a discussion involuntarily before I even get to sit down in my chair. I used you wonder why me, why not the other muslims, I am very shy person, getting attention on me was not fun at all. So when people tell me seculars school are neutral, I completely disagree, they watch you if your getting religious. I think now I get why they targeted me because I was getting really into practicing, I used pray in empty class rooms quiet young. I started praying 5x a day and extra voluntary prayers and reading Quran daily before going to my secular school. My parents were traditional but very religious, my mum, grandmothers, aunts never wore it. But as I studied and researched to my religion through reading the Quran, more I fall in love with Allah swt, as he was more intelligent then my parents and it felt like He (swt) opened me up like a book. Islam centres around character building, correct your internal state of your heart, cleansing spiritual diseases like jealousy, anger, backbiting, pride etc, being just and fair in all interactions individual to society. So you will muslims that the more they practice the more down to earth, easy going and kind and generous they become. So you will noticable the visible hospitality and generousity in muslims, this what draw me initially about islam, the kindness and sisterhood and brotherhood, the warmth of the people no matter the race. My approach towards modesty is pretty chilled and relaxed, I find children need to enjoy childhood, I think at this age, I let my daughter dress the way she wants as she only 5yrs old, she can wear whatever colour she wants, just not clothes that make her look cheap and just loose clothing, which she can play without worry about underwear showing etc, practical cute clothes. She is used to loose clothing, she does not like tight clothes now, she already showing interest in hijab, but I am not pushing it. My main concern is giving her basic knowledge and growing her spirituality, answering her questions, building love and trust in our relationship. I want to build a good character and humble human being for now, I am just leading by example, she tries copying me anyway even in prayer. Malik reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “I have been sent to perfect good character.” Source: al-Muwaṭṭa’ 1614 Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Ibn Abdul Barr

[@alexfleksher1276]

Very fascinating. Thanks for sharing your story, and best of luck guiding your daughter!

[@salampakistan3691]

@@alexfleksher1276 God guides, we do not, we pass knowledge on to our children, the wisdom to handle life, so they are not ignorant and advise, thats all we can do, the rest Allah (swt)does, He (swt) is great at it.

[@Louise-gg4mf]

Wonderful info! Any suggestions on where to buy clothes? Thank you

[@eddiemuniz761]

Was there ever a minhag to sit Shiva when their was an intermarriage????

[@deborahgreenberg-addi3777]

What does this have to do with this podcast And ask an orthodox rabbi this question

[@kristinesharp6286]

What I do not understand is why the dressing style doesn’t seem to change based on climate. Why on earth is modesty including tights and pantyhose on the Mediterranean? Poland in January and Israel in July are not the same at all yet the dress seems to be the same. I doubt the matriarchs wore tights. Pantyhose and tights have to be close to the body unlike clothing for other areas. Can not be loose to stay cool. Then there is that roll over thing socks sometimes do and you are stepping on it and it’s uncomfortable. The boys and men don’t seem to have to cover that 6 inches of lower leg. Some even can wear sandals with no socks.

[@michellelansky4490]

Covering the LOWER leg (as long as the knees are covered even when sitting) is an extra stringency that has been taken on by some communities. For those not living in those communities and not wanting to take it on by themselves, it is NOT a requirement.

[@kristinesharp6286]

But you are at the mercy of the community you are born into. @@michellelansky4490