Moe Norman and Ben Hogan's Lower Body Secret

[@nytrocircus]

Thank you. I am improving my ball striking because of your videos and I am eternally grateful. As a man without two nickles to rub together but a strong passion for golf, I sincerely appreciate your lessons. Thank you.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Glad I can help.

[@brianmorriscey3010]

That was an awesome lesson. You have emulated Moe to a tee. I think it's your best lesson yet.

[@velottatv]

I've pursued this swing for nearly thirty years and after watching this video, feel like I've finally "got it"! The trail leg and hip was the final piece to my puzzle. Following the "brake" concept, I was over-rotating by excessive movement in the lead knee. What I saw in this video is how the rotation brakes when letting the pelvis drive instead of the shoulders. Thanks Todd!!

[@MI07man]

I could watch that swing all day. Thanks for posting a real range session.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

You bet

[@rickroberts8141]

Todd I had medical problems for past 5 yrs. I recently started playing again. I started watching you and your teachings of single plane swing. I can honestly say I'm hitting the ball sooooo much better more often than I ever have. It's fun to play again. I have no one to play with and don't get to practice much. I watch your videos ALOT. Thank you

[@kmotley517]

I love Moe's voice. It's just soooo easy!

[@Moswing]

Merci Todd pour cette démonstration, en vous voyant driver j’ai moi-même une jouissance intellectuelle, ça fait du bien de continuer à bosser pour y arriver. Belle soirée depuis la France. Merci encore

[@billcaddell3848]

It's amazing to me that no one in the PHA uses his simple techniques. There will never be another Moe

[@daviddefeo4364]

Great Video Todd… I have found with my swing that I have to have a little knee flex..straight legs at set up leads to serious issues…plus a little flex leads to a more comfortable set up and for me much easier to keep resistance to the inside of my right leg and thigh on the backswing…no sway

[@jetlee2790]

8:30 this is it, it’s the feel and confidence it gives, it’s the move as u explain (holding the side bend on backswing) very subtle and a lot of feel in the motion, it’s clicked for me and I know before I’ve struck the ball it’s a good shot but maybe 9 times out of 10 I’ll daydream and loose the feeling and hit a poor shot but for an average man (non dedicated player) it’s very nice to emulate the greats for the odd shot and hit a beauty, makes me enjoy hitting balls rather than trying to be robotic like todays pro golfers and hitting crap shots every other ball

[@sfuller94]

Always awesome videos. I rarely watch one of these and don’t learn something.

[@benn6085]

Really cool to see a lot of shots and especially both down the line and face on. Great tip with the bracing feeling. Have heard it so many times think it now clicked

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@lawbinson]

Really liked this video, Todd! Great balance of explanation and shots to watch from both DTL and FO. Thanks!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thx

[@markyoung2981]

Excellent presentation thank you for your time posting this content.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@3for5spotshooter]

I use the foot board that you show in the video. A bit of genius that... Thanks again for all the videos...

[@sdavidjohnson44]

Wow Todd great video. I watch all your videos also have purchased and read your colorful well illustrated book. I wish i had this kind of instruction when I was younger. At 78 tough to put in a lot of practice time. I spend most of my time working on my short game. You have really helped my driving. Rarely do I ever hit snap or duck hooks anymore.

[@latman1]

Dead on! Although I find it one of the hardest things to do! I'll look at a video of myself and I'll be sliding right off the ball even thoughit doesnt feel like I am. I found if I focus on allowing the left knee to move forward that helps me rotate properly instead of sliding. Thx for all the vids!

[@billeppright4802]

Awesome video; thanks!!!! Just now finally sinking in that until get setup perfect every time nothing else matters; thus your domino effect tapes!!! Watching open all weekend every player was perfect address as per their method.

[@manzoorshah3277]

Really enjoyed Ted. Single plane swing. Golf pro Manzolr

[@gregorylatta8159]

Good stuff!

[@SavedInANanosecond.]

Good stuff brother!

[@theskillanalyst]

It boils down to side bend, and sliding off the ball in the backswing doesn't allow the player to get into side bend before the transition. Hogan didn't set up on the single plane so he creates side bend in the backswing. Moe gets into his side bend at setup and that places the clubhead several inches behind the ball. This is so he can rotate back and then slide towards the target the amount of distance the clubhead was behind the ball - maintaining that side bend and firing his hands through the ball from the inside.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

stays in position,,,,,,,,,no hip lift,,,,,,,throw left hand out

[@FASTgraphs]

Todd Lots of huffing and puffing. I guess you are now officially "my old friend" welcome to the club. Chuck

[@염홍서]

Thanks for the excellent clip. The major difference between Moe and Todd is a mechanism producing main power. Moe's power spring is hip rotation moving his parts in their time orders resulting in soft swing which can not be explained in the word 'timing.' Your power well is waist rotation focusing strong impact moment. This difference ends in after-impact-posture that Moe is slanted forward to reduce the final speed and Todd is relatively vertical to stop the swing. If you intended to explain Moe's swing on easy way from the view of conventional swing, you are wonderful instructor.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Cool explanation.

[@richardpascoe1859]

Hi Todd. With respect, do you believe that you could succeed on tour right now and more importantly would you have had better results when you were much younger with the single plane swing.

[@paulmonahan187]

Todd, love this subject... it's precisely what I am working on right now. How much "push" - if any - are you feeling from your trail leg as you move from the top of the backswing into position three and ultimately into impact?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

yes. I feel that it braces my backswing and then initiates the downswing.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

never mind push,,,,,,,,,,,,,,head stays back/down,,,,,,,,left hand throws club at target,,under

[@jamesgander7337]

Hey, Todd thanks for your videos I have questions on my impact goes with a little draw? I see your impact left straight. I want to eliminate.the left side of fairway. What should I do? Thanks jim

[@Rrrossa]

There's no mention of the lead leg, that's what I consider to be Moe's lower body secret. Keeping that trail leg bent, without flaring out the kneecap is just another way for him to eliminate moving parts, and very important for solid feeling strikes. I like how you mention the bracing feeling. Moe's talks about rolling the feet, and the bracing feeling. I only feel pressure on the very inside strip of my trail foot, but by that time, I've rolled most of my weight to the lead side. I haven't gotten to the point where he says he feels like the outside of the lead foot takes the "hit". Keeping my trail foot down but rolled forward parallel to the target is pretty much to prevent my trail foot from slipping out of place and/or over-rotating my hips (less moving parts). I feel like I could lift my trail foot at impact and step through towards the target sometimes, Moe was all about keeping everything straight. *There's a video where he shows his "hip bump," kind of like a hip sway or shift and he almost falls over when he exaggerates that feeling and loads his weight all the way to the left, then a pulling feeling of the arms and that's what starts the downswing for me now too, that's what allows me to lag the club naturally (always square though), meaning my wrists are loose and the weight of the clubhead releases on its own due to rotational forces.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Post your swing so we can see it.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

try keeping head behind ball at right knee,,,,,,,,,,throw left hand,,under,,,,,,,,,left thumb under shaft at impact

[@fairwayfreddy]

Shot 73 today with drives of 265-285 down the pipe. Driver was straight but was pulling my irons. Can you do a video on what causes a pull and what fixes it? Thanks 🙏

[@antap]

For me, left it when the trail foot is no down through impact. Hips over rotate with shoulders, correct spine angle/bend is interrupted. Try quitening the trail foot therby reining in the hips

[@lonmalypich9073]

Pretty to watch...your a machine !!

[@adamvossen9690]

Todd, I absolutely love your videos and I what them repeatedly. I’ve also purchased your book and have been working on this swing for the last 18 months. A question that I have is, are you trying to keep the right/trail leg from rotating while you turn your pelvis in the backswing? Is that how you are able to brace into the inside of the leg? Thanks for all that you do and bring Moe Norman to a huge audience. Godspeed.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

yes. You do not want trail leg to rotate in backswing but your hips can rotate some.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

knees swing club

[@robertdenaro4929]

Thank you for the content. Focusing on bracing your right knee will certainly prevent me from swaying, particularly with the driver.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

yes.

[@ozmoe754]

Cheers Todd, great content. I've noticed that you have in comparison to Moe a smoother transition mainlt with the longer clubs. Moe looks like he has this almost slight pause at the top then an unleashing of power where you have a much more even tempo. Just wondering if you have data on this as its a subtle thing but noticeable.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I'll look into it. Thanks.

[@ozmoe754]

In a musical sense it's like you are 1 and 2, and moe is like a 1 and a 2. Just trying tind a better way to explain what I mean. Cheers.

[@billyphelan7649]

Hi Todd, on your back swing is your left knee going forward

[@windellmcspindell3652]

8:20 golden

[@steveperry1344]

it looks like with this swing you have a wider stable stance and the right foot stays down longer during impact. i've tried it and it works.

[@mjackson21]

Great video Todd, are you ok? I watch many of your videos and your breathing seems labored, don’t be getting Covid on us, we need your content!

[@srvafool]

We're in the middle of a severe heat wave here in central Oklahoma. It's so hot if you're doing anything, it doesn't take long to get tired.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I noticed that too.

[@AtmanGoldenAge]

Thx Todd; It would be nice to see whre you shots go. How far and accuracy... Cheers

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Watch my other videos

[@DASH1ful]

yes, absolutely. the "inside muscles", and all that. and, really the inside muscles should be activated as a player lowers themselves into position, after raising their position to look up at the target, at address. But, for me, there is one thing missing from this method: the right clavicle should turn thru towards the target in the hitting area

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Right Clavicle does turn. Torso is open to 30 degrees at impact, Post impact 65 degrees and 89 degrees at finish.

[@DASH1ful]

@@ToddGravesGolf well, an open torso, at impact, does not necessarily mean that the clavicle has turned thru. it may have been pulled thru; but, it diesn't mean that has turned thru. in the full swing the clavicle can only turn thru when the left side of the forearm has loaded into the clavicle; the forearm can't load into the clavicle if the elbow is in control in the start of the downswing

[@steveperry1344]

i use a regular vardon type grip, i can't do the moe palm grip because it's more like holding an ax or a hockey stick.

[@rajivchandra4321]

Moe Norman talks of body tilt as does Graves. I figure the tilt promotes more weight on the trail side. From this position it's impossible to swing the club without shifting the weight to lead side which we all know is essential to distance and tempo. I tried to keep weight on trail side and found it impossible.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

knees supple

[@segaboy128]

Amazing

[@brentpaschal5467]

Todd, I know you had the Load and Fire training aid available for purchase before. Doesn’t it help with the feeling of bracing into the trail knee? I saw it in your website store as part of a training kit bundle. When I clicked on it there was a “dead end”. Do you have it available for purchase individually? Have you found that it helps a lot with this aspect of the swing?

[@lamprou]

Ive been at it all year, trying to move to a single plane swing. By far the hardest part im having is starting with side bend and getting to the right backswing position. Leaning/tilting away from the target at address and then finding the backswing position that maintains that angle pretty much always leaves me trying to save the shot. Even when the ball is in the middle of my stance, it feels like im so far behind the ball, there is no way to get back to the ball, let alone on a descending path. Right now I would say 3 of 5 shots are fat, 1 in 5 are topped and about 1 in 5 are "okay" hits. However, these days if the ball is 4+ inches above my feet on a slope, I can knock it a mile. But the opposite is true; if its below my feet now, its pretty much an automatic lay up.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Patrick, have you considered our online coaching program where you can send videos of your swing to our coaches for instruction? If you are interested, send me an email at [e-mail]. Thanks.

[@jayingram3326]

Todd, how far do you hit a driver?

[@pgowan357]

If the trail leg straightens or becomes unstable what would the miss tendency be? Or would there be multiple possibilities?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Usually it inhibits hip rotation and you hit it fat or top it because you cant get the hands leading.

[@pgowan357]

@@ToddGravesGolf it seems like I don't get everything you are saying the first time I watch these videos. When I practice and play and have some struggles then come back its all a bit clearer. It's been a process learning this swing after doing a 2 plane swing for decades. But I think it will pay off.

[@danielgibson4413]

I saw in one of your other videos that you stand 37-1/2" from toe to tee with driver. How far away from ball are your toes with a 7 iron?

[@billyotoole-o1u]

all clubs square on ground

[@fullsquare6398]

Todd, how the swing distance compare to conventional ones? If better, why not many use this method? Just curious, thanks

[@ToddGravesGolf]

The swing is easier. Great for aging golfers and those who aren’t Tour Players. If fairways were narrow and ball striking a premium it would definitely be better for the PGA Tour players But as statistics show, accuracy is not a premium for wining on the PGA Tour. All you need to do is bomb it, gouge it with a wedge and make a few putts. If you look at the long drive guys, many of them start with a higher shaft plane at address so Length with a Single Plane swing it’s not the issue. What i have found is that ballstriking as you get older becomes more of a premium. This is a great swing for aging golfers because it easier on the body. As far as many using the swing. I have seen 1.2M golfers come though my teachings. Not all of them are still doing it there are quite a few.

[@deer8730]

there's no way moe thought of/did anything more complicated than turning his hips to start the swing, letting centrifugal force bring the club back and up, then rotating back and letting centrifugal force swing the club through the ball, period

[@greghaefs4677]

I would love to see a video of just you hitting balls at the range…. Seeing you hit most of the clubs, good swing and bad swings.

[@ElGolfeux]

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[@jimrothery1289]

Well done. thank you.

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thank you too!

[@djelalhassan7631]

Great

[@stephenmcdaniel769]

Can you do a new video on the address thank you

[@calvinmaestro3400]

On a separate, but related topic, standing with your eye right over the ball while putting long putts is wrong. Due to an optical phenomena, known as perspective warping, straight lines apprea curved (or warped) when viewed over a distance. (E.g., the ancient Greek temple, the Parthenon, doesn't have a single straight line, but appears straight from far away due to their builders designing it to allow for the effect.) Instead, stand with your eyes a few inches inside the ball when putting to better see the line.

[@ZeebNinja]

I am confused as to what you are trying to teach. I have not seen any PGA instructor that says you needs to sway, so that is not something new. Am I missing something? What specifics beyond your trail leg are you try to convey?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Watch the part about weight shift.

[@randyvelder949]

Whats your avg distance with driver ?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

285 average.

[@srvafool]

Does anyone know what adjustment needs to be made when you're hitting it off the toe?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Hands must lead. Check ball position first before you start making swing changes.

[@srvafool]

@@ToddGravesGolf Thanks! I bought the perfect impact club last week. It has helped.

[@guitar1950]

Swing like me. I can't hit it off the toe. Most shots are towards the heel. Don't know why. I hit a draw on most shots. If I focus on hitting the inside of the ball and try to hit towards the toe I might get a few toe side of the sweet spot.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

try hitting hooks

[@ianpulham3624]

Dear Mr Graves, do you know if anyone teaches this in Germany?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

We don't currently have teachers in Germany, however, we have a great online coaching program where you send videos of your swing to the academy. If you are interested email me at [e-mail] thank you

[@timothyslaughter476]

I watched a moe video recently and just payed attention to his finish position. My eyes were just paying attention to the position of his hands and clubshaft at finish. Exactly the same every time. He ripped off about 50 5 woods in the video clip. Of course you could throw a small towel over the dispersion of the balls. His finish position is not "classic" in any sense.....just machine like.....as were his shots. Excellent!!!

[@roytodd4575]

Does anyone teach this in the UK?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

We have a great Online Coaching program for anyone that can't attend the schools. if you're interested, email me at [e-mail]. The Online coaching program lets you send unlimited videos to coaches and they can personally coach you through the Single Plane Swing. You also have access to Graves Golf on Demand, our membership instruction channel.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

everything along for riide

[@billyotoole-o1u]

shoulders swing club on plane

[@eriklund784]

I have to say I think it's comical how Moe is almost chewing everyone out, like "Why can't you people understand this"?

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Me too. Really funny.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

"i never puts strain on right leg",,,most people do,,,,,their weight is on right leg,,,,,, so they sway,,,and come off the ball,,,and turn putting strain on right hip,,,,,,,,hes always centered over shot,,then flows to bent left knee.......

[@mikeissa7358]

So if there are dozens of videos of Moe and Bryson, how is any aspect of their swings a “secret?”

[@ToddGravesGolf]

I agree. There aren't any secrets, I just used that term because on the video, Moe answers a question about it so he is divulging his "secret" - otherwise nobody would have asked.

[@moenorman6275]

Just because I can see it on video, doesn’t mean I can understand the finer points of what’s going on. I really appreciate Todd explaining these things.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

his base is the left foot,,,"it never moves",,,shoulders swing thru

[@ToddGravesGolf]

What?

[@billyotoole-o1u]

hip movement is "sway"

[@ToddGravesGolf]

No - not true.

[@billyotoole-o1u]

he simply rotates shoulders,back/thru ,,no no lifting or turning of club or body,,,,,like a true swing..... ,,,the club is "shut",,back and thru,,,,,,,or "square" to ball all the way ,,,,,,face doesnt look away or swing up.............

[@ToddGravesGolf]

What?

[@pedroc6823]

Todd even has a belly like Moe

[@billyotoole-o1u]

u hit the ball with yur shoulders,,,,,,,,they get thru first

[@richardcarr9447]

how far are you carrying your driver

[@ToddGravesGolf]

270ish.

[@Sueezedtight]

Common sense is anything but common ... Look to the most efficient, easiest way to hit a ball solidly and you will find a picture of Moe Norman (or even Todd aka "Little Moe"). ;) I switched to this swing for my back and now can play all day without pain and have maintained my 7 handicap at 68 years of age. I took the GGA lessons for a year and that made all the difference. The coaching and instruction were outstanding. Money well spent. Even this week, following through KZbin, I "unlocked" a distance hint that added almost 20 yds to my drives taking me past 250 yds. :) @Todd, can you address Moe's hand speed as it related to his swing and timing? Were his hands and arms faster at transition (club going back, body turning forward) as he generated his club head speed? Thanks for saving my retirement golf! :)

[@staugustinefloridahomes]

Good stuff!

[@ToddGravesGolf]

Thanks!

[@staugustinefloridahomes]

@@ToddGravesGolf I’m looking for a iron clad setup - ball position, feet width, shoulder angle, knee bend, ballast - I’m going to look through your videos. Saw the one on ball position and feet adjustment.