The Worst Character Design Tropes According To Twitter Artists

[@MohammedAgbadi]

*_what do you think is the most toxic zodiac sign?_*

[@winiity5761]

None zodiac signs are not real they don't determine ur personality Edit: BUT SOME OF THOSE ZODIAC VIDS ARE SUPERRRR ACCURATE!!!

[@marie-vr3cj]

cancer (just based off personal experience lol, I'm sure there are many cancers who are very good ppl)

[@kathe7086]

​@marie I'm cancer I don't really understand this zodiac stuff but ok👍

[@jjdraws410]

genimi personal experience

[@sloane3571]

Capricorn because I'm a Capricorn and I'm toxic 😎

[@Donika691]

a good example of not doing the female animal overly curvy is Tigress from Kung Fu Panda. She just looks like a tiger, they didn't need to give her exaggerated feminine features for us to know she is female. Also at least some of these pet peeves are just due to things animators do to make their job easier, and I think we should give those animators a break cause they tend to be overworked.

[@Tenshii_Artii]

Yes! Tigress is a beast! She’s not far from being built like Tai Lung, but you can still tell she is female. Just one with absolute discipline. I loved the characters in KFP for the reason that they just looked like their animal counterparts in real life. But from their personalities and nature alone, you can tell how Unique each of them are. I personally loved Viper. The way the animators execute a snake to be so feminine, elegant and graceful without needing it to be exaggerated. They could have gone with a ‘sexy snake’ trope, but I love how calm and sweet she is.

[@Donika691]

@@Tenshii_Artii yeah! Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite film series. All their character designs are awesome.

[@ngocunmei8378]

@@Tenshii_Artii

[@trixxart777]

Honestly I think that it's not that exaggeratedly feminine and in some instances it can look more like fluff wich can make them look more fluffy and adorable I just don't like it when they add like actual breasts on a animal character it just look a little strange

[@mysryuza]

I love her design for this reason!j

[@SuperMaster000X]

Not gonna lie, i like the Dark skin-White hair trope, the characters look so cool

[@MohammedAgbadi]

faxxxx

[@mysryuza]

I like the color contrast. It just feels good to look at

[@Shunsuka]

yessssss,, it's more than anything the good contrast they have in their colors, honestly I never get tired of those types of designs.

[@pigcatapult]

@@mysryuza Yeah, high contrast designs just look good.

[@LuniIsHere]

i love white hair in anyone

[@blacktogami3811]

Talking about impractical and oversexualized clothing whilst drawing Leon in a crop top and thong is hilarious 😂😂

[@noodlesandwich2945]

Well, at least he's not fighting in that right now

[@Takejiro24]

He got mad 🍰 though! 😤

[@Weskin_Time775]

When it jump cut to the image I got flashbanged I’m lucky nobody was around

[@mineralwater6736]

@@noodlesandwich2945 still oversexualized but it’s ok because it’s a male right??

[@SeuSav]

​​@@mineralwater6736 One thing is drawing for fun...or...other purposes,Or even being in character and not feeling gratuitous(that sexy,not sexualized thing) Other is a character being like that 24/7 when either doesn't make sense or when is clearly the creator doing fanservice and nothing else.

[@paintedjackal7157]

Funnily enough, I really enjoy the “out of place textures” thing in some contexts. It reminds me of the Cartoon Network show “Chowder”, and can add some pop if it’s intended as a stylistic choice (ie. Not someone just messing up on a clothing pattern because they don’t understand folds, but rather something to intentionally make a character stand out, like the scrolling textures in Chowder.) It takes some time off of the animation process, and can add a level of visual flare because it is so obvious that it wouldn’t normally be that way.

[@niccilefevre]

I was just about to bring Chowder up! I honestly love their use of that and Im kinda sad I havent seen any others since try. I talked myself out of doing that when I was younger because I figured everyone would be doing it XD

[@JamesTDG]

Indeed, it does work, but god damn it really needs to be executed right to look good rather than jarring.

[@benhillman8384]

Imo even the visual clarity of a flat pattern is preferable to noisy or artificially warped pattern textures trying to make something *very* 2D look barely 3D. You see it a lot in those flower-filled comics from Japan where the artists put pre-made patterns from a tone sheet directly on top of their work.

[@padung6018]

Mononoke anime and the Count of Monte Cristo anime have done this. But this is more inline to Ukiyo-e style.

[@danemeow8]

Or the anime "Gankutsuou The Count of Monte Cristo" is frickin gorgeous and it uses that 2D texture pattern overlay in an artistic stylized way and it's sublime.

[@azumaneasahi3719]

leon be carrying a whole damn bakery

[@MohammedAgbadi]

ong

[@GOUdamn]

yummy

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

"You may spank it. Once."

[@VinoDanasri]

​@@MohammedAgbadi nah a whole damn factory

[@benjaminmaher8896]

Leon lookin fresh

[@nope6021]

I love keeping the eyes visible, I just make the parts covered by hair like 80% opacity, so they look like they're kinda "behind" the bangs. Like the hair is not super opaque, it's just a thin veil of hair. The only time I get rid of the eye is when the character has super thick hair that would obstruct their vision- like emo side bangs, or a character intentionally covering their eye because of tattoo/demonic seal/blind eye/etc.

[@MohammedAgbadi]

same! i just love when you can see the eye through. the hair. it just makes the character look a bit more, i dunno, complete in the face.

[@GoingSwimmingly]

Oooh might try this- I actually keep the eyes fully visible bc I just like the strength of expression lol Then I made ONE exception recently because it was one of em: “Character with their eyes obstructed by hair as a main design trait” So that was the only exception, I laughed with my friend about it too bc underneath it mind you,,, there’s a whole ass sketched expression There’s a REAL face in there and nobody will evwr know lest they ask me

[@LuniIsHere]

i only let the eyes visible if its a tiny part thats being covered (i usually put more expression in to the lashes so if i cover it wont look like i wanted) if the hair is fully covering one eye i just eliminate it LOL

[@mildlymarvelous]

I agree, I hate the eye over hair trope but quite like it when it’s just low opacity!!

[@error-try-again-later]

It's fine when it's low opacity but imo it's always SO distracting when there's an eye where an eye shouldn't be 💀

[@Ikesfavpen]

Tbh dark skin with white hair is a really good combo due to the contrast, but i see how its really overused. More natural haircolours for darker skinned characters would be nice. I may be biased since i adore white hair on any anime character really (gojo,tomoe and noé🛐)

[@sinfulloccultist950]

I usually view light hair/dark skin younger characters in more fantasy/modern-esqu media surrounded by other characters with dyed/"oddly" coloured hair. And while it would be nice to have more natural hair for darker character, I'd rather be in a show with fairy floss for hair than have darker/muted hair when those around me have neon pink or baby blue hair. I guess it's a case of context

[@Ikesfavpen]

@@sinfulloccultist950 Yeah, that food wars guy they used as an example is far from the only person with unnaturaly coloured hair, he is not even the only white haired one. It looks good but it does get old, overall there is not that much diversity in hair textures either though there is some and i appreciate that

[@Thollis1987]

I don't mind it I just wish they more of a natural hair color on dark skin characters.

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

​@@Thollis1987 like black...? imo that's just boring if the rest of the cast has unnatural hair. I'd like darker characters to be treated the same as the rest of the cast plus, white ain't even remotely the most common hair color for dark characters

[@Cage-CatYT]

Honestly same, it itches my brain in a good way! A few of my ocs have like a darker warn tone with white hair, it makes me happy to draw

[@Hyper_Inkk]

Are we not gonna talk about how caked up Leon is looking in these drawings??? I mean....😏

[@grapejuice8900]

😧

[@NotCumin]

I'm looking respectfully. Yup.

[@MohammedAgbadi]

leon be doing the audience mad

[@Sarah-hs8ir]

When he started on the second page I was like how much cake does this guy need??

[@lunselene2502]

Not my gay ass paying half attention to the vid and half attention to Leon-

[@Alezeh_]

I had no idea that dark skinned people with white/light hair was something that's disliked I find dark skinned characters with white hair or white clothes to be so fucking cool and majestic in a way, I'd probably say even god like, same for if they have black clothes with gold details its just so... *chef kiss*

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

ukr, I'm dark skinned and white hair looks so good on tanned characters because of CONTRAST when I start designing characters I will definitely make the white hair-dark skin combo just to piss Twitter off

[@gonzalotorres5282]

So, Enrico Pucci. Godly!

[@Alezeh_]

@@darkpinkgirl6684 !! Pf yeah piss them off, they can't handle the absolute stunning beauty of dark skin and light colors Also you draw? Do you have any socials where you post so I can possibly mm just maybe have a look at ur art 👀

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

@@Alezeh_ lol yes i draw! traditionally at least! i would've loved to tell you and I'm super flattered but unfortunately i haven't gone through with making a platform to show my art :')

[@darkpinkgirl6684]

perhaps someday in the near future lol

[@Frallicus]

Agbadi: talking about tropes Me: staring at the Kendussy

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmaooooo kendussy...i can't lmao

[@Frallicus]

@@MohammedAgbadi my friends call him Leonussy Sussy Kendussy... and that word just sticks in my head

[@Yuuji-ES]

@@Frallicus tbh thats just cringe-

[@Frallicus]

@@Yuuji-ES dang bro man has me simply destroyed, murdered, decaying, dead on the floor Cuz he called me cringe 😭

[@Kennisaurus]

​@@Frallicus You only cringe because Leonussy Scussy Kendussy is the superior name

[@Chaakkun]

I'm a very anxious artist, so most of my ocs are quite simple cause I forget super easily the small details I can put on them. I like drawing them often, it would be a nightmare if I put them so much details but I've e seen people who enjoys putting lots of details on their ocs and honestly, I envy their patience 😭

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

My ocs are quite simple too, there is nothing wrong with that For me, Simple = the best, because they're easier & can be fun to work on too

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

Simplicity or complexity don't make an oc fun to draw. What matters is that you enjoy drawing them. Some artists have detailed ocs because they think it's fun to draw that much. Some don't like to spend as much time on the drawings and that's okay too. If you're simply anxious because you don't want to forget details, make reference sheets of your character. Or, as I've seen other artists do, make a character and *keep remaking that character* until you have a design you're fully happy with. By then, you'd have drawn the character so much that it would be engrained in your muscle memory, but you'd also have found a design that you enjoy enough to draw repeatedly.

[@kofi_k1st]

🤣

[@mysryuza]

@@nomoretwitterhandles oof I can relate. There was a time I kept messing up the design of her tank top because I didn’t have the reference on me at the time. Then the wrong design stuck because it was easier to remember 😂

[@Chaakkun]

@@nomoretwitterhandles Honesty I never make reference sheets for my OCs cause I'm lazy 😆 Plus I have really not enough time to draw them. I'm an artist that gets bored if I don't finish a piece in a day or two, if it takes me more than that, I end up abandoning the drawing. Probably that's why aim not into very detailed OC's/drawings. It happens that I forget small details, like the the shape of a strand of hair or something like that. I end up deleting that detail if I keep forgetting about it. My oc has to be simple enough to be reminded properly when I draw him 😆 The ocs with "complex" designs usually are drawn less often cause I need to go back my first drawings to draw them again q w q

[@mariogariazzo2024]

I love when the Baki author draws real people in his style, it's always funny

[@MohammedAgbadi]

looks cool doesn't it

[@mariogariazzo2024]

@@MohammedAgbadi Yeah, Itadaki's style is so good and carries so much weight to his characters, it makes the absurdity of it all that more sincere Also, I'm going to sleep now, I don't know what time is it where you are but good night :)

[@uh-ooooh]

I feel a lot of these can have nuanced takes on them and are acceptable to a degree. Some are egregious certainly, I'm not denying that, but for the most part, I don't feel overly concerned by what Twitter feels as "bad" character designs. Sometimes these things are alright in my opinion.

[@Scruffy-qi3ik]

ya, like the anthropomorphic character one definitely matters based on how every other character looks, if every character is pretty humanly detailed, it's definitely fine.

[@PipPlaysvideogames]

They examples weren’t necessarily people’s thoughts on bad character designs, just pet peevs they have. I have a pet peev for colored line art in most cases but that doesn’t mean I think it’s bad.

[@NUISANCE_ANIMAL]

excuse me, i feel obliged to point out that your username is pronounced “uuu ooo,” not “uh oh”

[@BiBiren]

I like that in some anime, they show anthromorphic characters in which male characters have animal heads and body but still act and stand like human.... Meanwhile female ones just put animal ears and tails with humanoid faces and body shape lmao At least in Beastar, they don't do this in female ones, thank goodness.

[@Solomons_Descent]

Tell me about it, either go all the way or not at all.

[@owenleal]

Beastars is the perfect example of male and female animal characters done right.

[@StarstormAnimations]

I actually quite like the side mouth thing, i tend to only do it in panels in my comic since its quicker and it can be useful in a cheery or jokey manner. I do agree it can look abysmal sometimes tho 🤣

[@FelipeSouza-gk8uk]

Well, neither the OP or Mohammed said it was bad itself, the actual pet peeve is when the (closed) lips are still drawn despite the mouth being supposed to be moving. The lips are pointless, since this type of design inherently makes the mouth look flat in the face.

[@gabriellaibet7093]

12:29 The cartoon "Chowder" actually did this with a lot of its characters, so whenever they move the pattern on their clothes "stays" as if the characters are walking in front of a pattern layer. But they did it beautifully and it always looked cool whenever they move and the pattern "stays"

[@Theohybrid]

I always counted that as lazy but…I suppose…whatever?

[@adronius147]

I loved that too! Found it low-key hypnotic sometimes.

[@TuesdaysArt]

It added to the surreal and other worldly feeling to the show.

[@soup1102]

Phineas mustve not been fun coming out imo

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmaoo

[@BrocksJellyFilledDoughnuts]

😵

[@V.U.4six]

Giving birth to a human dorito 💀

[@KBumbleKat]

The double lines in the drawing are just perfect 😫

[@MohammedAgbadi]

hahaah thankyou! it's usually because i can't decide which line to go with hahhaa..but it looks cool now i guess!

[@Lizardkitmin]

I love how the speedpaint is literally just Leon in countless sexy poses and Underwear and we all just accept that

[@Moonleii]

I love the sketches you did and the line work :0 the effect looks really cool!

[@grapejuice8900]

Yuck

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

Ignore assjuice, I totally agree with you. His line art is really well done, it gives kind of a 3D effect.

[@Extrelll]

Pretty good drawn sketch but wtf

[@MohammedAgbadi]

thankyou

[@MohammedAgbadi]

thankyou guys

[@cizineczvesmiru953]

Finally. Part 2 of Leon speedart came out. And together with an interesting topic!

[@MohammedAgbadi]

yesss! i was contemplating not posting it actually but i just decided to anyway

[@no.energy]

I actually like detailed character designs. I know that sometimes characters may become a mess that is tiring to look at. But if you combine the details properly, it becomes delightful to see the character. Giving the characters detailed clothes and complex designs can build a clue about their aura and what kind of a person they are. Also, it is one of the best ways of giving your character a memorable appearance

[@vickypedia1308]

The only time I've seen a "corporate artstyle" pulled off well is in Kurzgesagt's animations, but I'm not sure if their artstyle even counts as corporate. Their art has a few differences and actually reminds me of a German news channel that was designed specifically for kids. It simplified complicated current events for children to understand and used a similar artstyle, if I remember correctly. Given that Kurzgesagt is a German studio as well, the origins of their specific style might not be the corporate style, but those German animations meant to educate children. Edit: the children news show is called "Logo!" and I just remembered that Kurzgesagt used to be a German PBS. I don't know if Logo! is one too, but if that's the case maybe that's why their art feels similar to me. They would likely have similar people working on both.

[@DreamyyArt]

MAN KURZGESAGT WAS MY CHILDHOOD!! binged it all on youtube

[@icephoenixcom]

Hello, fellow eye-over-hair artist. I totally do it as well; for the purpose of expression. Sometimes things just don't look right or show the wrong expression without the second eye.

[@DreamyyArt]

As another eye-over-hair, also for the same reason. A lifesaver for me since It fricks up my proportions (I draw damn cartoon chibis or SMTH) and makes me screw up the hair (if there is one, can affect the hat. yes im kinda just a beginner)

[@trixxart777]

I hate when the style unintentionally inconsistent like all the characters want to look soo unique that they look like from different shows sometimes it can work if intentionally but if it's not it can look strange and take me out of the world

[@trixxart777]

This also can happen with colour as having an inconsistent style can work if they have similar colour palettes but if they have completely different colours it can look out of place

[@insertunoroginalnamehere6189]

Gumball does this and i think it does it well

[@15two]

@@insertunoroginalnamehere6189its intentional in gumball

[@insertunoroginalnamehere6189]

@@15two yes i know which is why it works well

[@error-try-again-later]

It used to drive me CRAZY in old webcomics where the men were drawn in a bland, Western art meets anime kinda way, and then all the women were like ✨ K A W A I I D E S U ✨

[@TheIcecypher]

Corporate art style does not work, but they are not asking us if we want them to keep using it.

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmaooo

[@eva1585]

I would love to see a corporate video with the same ukulele background music and goofy voice but the art is just pure anime. Characters doing shit in really exaggerated ways. Making coffee in the break room but its drawn like its some intense battle scene.

[@Dragmiredraws]

I missed this trend on Twitter and I’m kinda glad I did. All of these just seemed to be, “I hate the thing that makes the art style the art style”

[@Lloz404]

EXACTLY!!! At least over half of these were talking more so on art style things they don's like and then we got like two actuallly agreeably-disliked tropes.

[@Mentallyheld]

except the anime mouth thing,that shit just looks bad in general

[@error-try-again-later]

@@Mentallyheld I think it looks okay in super simplistic chibi drawings, but any other time I haaaaate it 😭💀

[@lav-kitty]

​@@Mentallyheld it looks ok to me

[@MariusKennedy]

yep. same.

[@glitchkapish6428]

I personally do the textue that doesn't move or curve with the character, its a style choice and something I chose to add some more detail to my animation, also I just like it

[@MohammedAgbadi]

i guess that works as well!

[@LikaLaruku]

11:54 How can anyone complain about Captain Britain & Captain America having their country flags as their costumes? I just wanna know why Captain America is holding a Superman logo shield. Also that union jack bolero jacket is so cute.

[@frost9421]

The reason why Cap is holding the Superman logo shield is because that’s actually Super Soldier from Amalgam Comics, it was a short lived series back in the 90’s where Marvel and DC were mashed together into one thing :D

[@bibule]

oh I’m early 6:31 in the Naruto context it’s actually on purpose. Most cloud ninjas have dark skin and white hair, that’s just how you recognize them and I find it cool 7:46 in miraculous it happed multiple times. And the best part is that the celebrities voice themselves.

[@MohammedAgbadi]

yeas!!! thankyou!

[@DeinosDinos]

Personally, I really love it when the plaid doesn't fit the clothing at all. There's something artistic about that, and I can understand all too well why someone would do that to save time and effort, especially in manga production where you're often on a tight schedule. Depends on the medium I guess.

[@laisphinto6372]

2:27 the irony of this criticsm with the drawing in the background

[@kimaly7718]

I.. am also guilty of eyes piping out from the hair trope.. It just looks fine to me 😅 I just thought, in real life, when hair covers your eyes it doesn't really actually coveres the eyes entirely.. And you can still see the eyes behind all that hair.. sometimes.. Anyone else thinks so too?

[@MohammedAgbadi]

hahah yes! i'm so glad i'm not alone lmaoooo

[@pillowmoment]

The eyebrow thing only bothers me with humanoid characters My favorite video games include characters that are not human and are not humanoid. So their eyelids are responsible for emotion, Take, the bishops in cult of the lamb. No eyebrows because they are non mammal anthro animals. No hair..They also just look menacing in general. Their only other expression is “angry” Robot designs do this well. While some of portal’s robots have some eyebrow equivalents, some of them don’t. So the eyelids are also used in the expressions. I think the design really depends on the character over all. Some things work better in some scenarios.

[@dunwallsfinest]

ngl itachi in the thumbnail looks cool as a black guy

[@Lavenderina_Garden]

What!? Nah...

[@MohammedAgbadi]

hard edit fr

[@MohammedAgbadi]

nahh? why

[@jackblades90]

wrong... is a girl

[@xXVibrantSnowXx]

Agreed

[@rupertdriggs8104]

i love the fabric just being texture! like in chowder :)

[@MohammedAgbadi]

yeas chowder looks cool and some of the textures move as well

[@pogpurin]

Absolutely love the smiley Leon's, so cute!! I can't stop watching how you draw, your lines are so beautiful!

[@FrozenCampbellSoup]

Honestly my main issues with sexualizing female characters is: A. it's most of the time just the girls. Gimme more sexy men! B. Why are they doing this to minors and C. It doesn't fit their personality or occupation (newsflash: shy or military girls aren't likely to wear a chainmail bikini) and whenever they do have a reason for why the character is like that it's always some bullshit like: "Oh yeah she has powers that require it she's totally not a slüt" or "She does it purely to distract her targets she's totally not a slüt" IF YOU'RE GONNA MAKE A SEXY CHARACTER GO ALL THE WAY YOU COWARDS! GO DO IT LIKE PANTY ANARCHY AND MAKE HER WEAR IT BECAUSE SHE WANTS TO SLEEP AROUND! also make her leer at hot men like how men leer at hot women pls and ty

[@stardy316]

Literally Bayonetta. In the first game she admits to having "an interest in not having babies, but making them", so... Yeah, there's that.

[@Totallynotredtail]

Honestly I never really understood why the designers apparently just have this inate instinct to make these characters "sexy" like GIMME A WOMAN IN FULL FREAKING BATTLE ARMOUR PILOTING A TANK!

[@yayamiki]

Momo from mha lore:

[@smokeyskeet1694]

@@Totallynotredtail that’s way more attractive than a fully naked woman imo

[@Cubicflow]

for B: because someone that doesn't exist or look like a real human is a lot less weird to be attracted to than a real, living, underage human being. At least, it's less weird for them, who drew those things. But I agree that it would make more sense if a character with huge "assets" were 21 instead of 17 or suchlike.

[@random-_-dude]

Really, my biggest gripe with the art community is when people complain about characters being sexualized, and then they draw seriously buff dudes with biceps bulging and such. I don't think they notice that really buff guys are also sexualized (especially when they are showing off muscles like a model). I'm fine with people drawing sexualized characters (unless they are minors), just be a little consistent.

[@jinxie712]

For comic book design to movies, I saw it like this. The movies are the actual look of them. The comic book design is how an artist would draw them for comics if they only got a glimpse of them. Like, say, you saw Superman flying around and drew a cape on him, but he’s actually wearing a red long coat with blue sleeves.

[@sugarstar09]

I get slightly annoyed when someone re designs some random character (ex: Luz Noceda or Amity Blight are some I've seen the most) and they just add tons of detail. I don't really have a big problem with it but my eyes get slightly confused trying to find where to look. Remember kids, just because a character design is simple doesn't mean it's bad.

[@error-try-again-later]

It's because nobody knows how to use detail 😭 Basically our eyes will naturally travel from the most detailed areas to the most simplistic ones. You're supposed to leave the most important parts of the design as blank as possible (so they're easy to read at a glance) while the detailed parts either frame them or flow towards them. What you're _not_ supposed to do is cram a million ribbons, buttons or jewels onto every part of an outfit.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

Bruh, the "dark skinned characters with white hair" trope isn't really a "trope" lmao. It's just a character design choice. Like, I have a lot of different characters, and quite a few are on the darker side of the skin tone spectrum. But because I have a lot of characters, some of them just happen to have different colored hair lol. This is true for my lighter-toned characters as well. Also I just really fucking love white hair. Naturally, I'll have characters with white hair with a vast range of skin tones because that's.. just what I like to draw. As that one person pointed out, there are a lot of other black or brown anime characters who have dark hair and varying skin tones, but there are also plenty of anime characters with white hair who are pale.

[@ixxyrodrigo]

I think every time I see corporate art style, it burns my coroneas because of the bright ahh colors popping out of my screen. :/

[@gingeremu4475]

Anytime I see a character with dark skin and light hair I immediately love them. My fiance has been going gray since 16 and has dark skin and because of the association, It's become one of my favorite character design tropes. He has a similar new found weakness to any ginger or redhead character lol

[@delphidivinity2]

I am trying desperately hard to focus on the topic being discussed in the video but the cake you gave Leon is making this an impossible challenge

[@misfits9294]

The OG Puss in Boots also actually had Kitty look just like a normal cat that still you can tell is female. Which is an accomplishment given the time it came out, and how designers treat female animals today.

[@ananiasford]

I like the dark skin white hair trope. I like white hair in general and a have bleached my hair platinum white a few times and my friends and I liked how it looked. I get how it can be annoying though.

[@ReichanK]

I actually really liked the "hair over the eye" style, I remember retro animes doing that and it looked so pretty! I wouldn't recommend it all the time but in certain styles it made it look like their hair was silky/sheen-like. I had no idea it was critiqued as a "lazy/inaccurate way of drawing"

[@Sakuuura673]

Aye Leon back! :D Also love the video, I was waiting for a characters design pet peeve’s video and your feedback on it!! 13:10 I’m also guilty of doing this so hi! And I agreed if I’m going for a realistic look I would cover the eye. Sometimes I even forget the character eyes are cover when I’m drawing 🥲

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

To be fair, anime hair are just chunks of where hair would theoretically go, so technically speaking, it's not a terrible idea to keep the second eye visible under the hair because it may be more sparse or soft in real life. If you want to know a life hack for how to get away with this while also making it look nice, just take your eraser and make some "invisible hair strands" by erasing parts of the eye/eyebrow that follows the hair. For example, if you have a clump of hair that goes over the eye only partially, use the eraser tool and erase the parts of the eye that touches the inside of the hair chunk. Do this for every chunk that overlaps with it. If you are feeling fancy, erase a few more bits of the eye to make it seem like there are more strands. Now you have an eye that doesn't look super out of place!

[@Sakuuura673]

@@nomoretwitterhandles oooo that good tip to keep in mind, I’ll try it!!

[@MohammedAgbadi]

ahahaa thankyou! the eyes look better that way!

[@evelyn_foresis]

As a character designer, This video was a bit frustrating. It should be said that all of the above trends are valid. Even if many are not my preference, I will defend them. Moreover, many of these 'tropes' were critiques of art styles, and not character design. Regardless, we shouldn't be judging creative visions because they're not to our tastes. A lot of work goes into character design, because it's incredibly complicated. That said, I sometimes have 'too much detail'. I find these designs funner to draw and look at. They give more, the more you look. Never had a problem redrawing them either.

[@kimaly7718]

Also about the characters design gets extra details after they turn into live action movies.. I think it's actually a good thing! Like the comic version is so simplified because they had to draw them over and over again for so many times that it's just impossible to give them details.. But movies can just make 1 costume to use for the entire movie and even the next one! And besides.. If you really sticked to what they really look like from the comics.. I can only imagine it will look terrible.. Like some of them only use tights with stripes on them and boom done.. It will not translate well in the movie.. So yeah.. I think the costume looks great with all the " unnecessary" details 😅 it's just my opinion tho haha

[@goj1_lag00n]

You really need to do it sparingly. Some things may look great even if they're comic-accurate and some are Aquaman. The problem with most live-action superhero suit designs is that they all look the same. They just take OG design and add a bunch of lines without putting any thought into it. And desaturated colors, of course.

[@1131k]

Damn looks like twitter gonna hate my OC XDD

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmaooo oh no! what did you do?! lmaoo what did you draw

[@sawk1875]

Just linked this video to my friend whose a huge Leon fan earlier today, with no prior warning. It's been a few hours and they're still crazy.

[@AceMadness59]

I have a lot of Ocs, and one thing I noticed about what I tend to do is that I try to be minimal with colors on their clothes, hair, and eyes. I don't like adding so many colors that it's eye numbing. Also, Leon got one hell of a cake.

[@AshyKnees004]

I love how you made the sketch before the final line art! The drawings look so great and the way he is hauling that DUMP-TRUCK makes him look… Scrumptious, delectable and juicy.

[@frustratedsquirrel]

What pisses me off is that a lot of newer artists don't seem to understand that sexualizing characters is not a bad trope, it's an entire stylistic choice. They've just been taught that 'sexy = bad' but if the entire point of the character's aesthetic is to be sexy for a production that's mean to be schlocky, then sexualising them is the entire point of the artwork. Just because you're one of those artists who likes to pretend you're a sfw cinnamon roll who'd never draw anything risque yet still draws buff muscular pokemon morphs with ken doll crotches and tries to claim it's wholesome, doesn't mean more confidently sexualized characters aren't legit. a lot of these examples are likely coming from unconfident artists who are trying really hard to be 'proper' without understanding why a lot of these older cliches and aesthetic tropes are timeless. There is an art form to doing good schlock, and once you can understand how to purposefully straddle that line between tacky and tasteful (or just outright embrace tastelessness in a way that turns it into flavor) to play with the viewer's expectations, you won't truly be at peace with the universe. Using your 'warrior princess' example: why does it have to be practical? Nobody watches anime and power fantasy because they want to see 'practical'. You want that thrill of seeing the warrior princess/prince dressed in harem silks about to fight a dragon and think to yourself "wow, she/he is so confident and powerful that they're wearing attire for THEIR pleasure in a life or death situation, that's absurd and not something that would happen in real life, and that's what makes it cool."

[@ceratozillarex]

thank you my good sir!

[@loudgamerindonesia4485]

But in the end is the same thing, “sexy= Bad” or what’s it called Oversexualized.

[@KnoKei]

An example would be Bayonetta. She was created with that purpose, and the neat thing is that the character herself knows how sexy she is, and she's still a total badass!

[@SethVanSythe]

@@KnoKei YEAH that's the specific case of Bayonetta. A god level character who truly isn't concerned with how her movement speed is affected by her outfit. Not only that it has game mechanics so the level of realism is already being pulled into question just by being a video game and we all accepted that before we played. Being oversexualized or even a little inherently sexy doesn’t take away from someone being a badass. We aren’t talking about badassery equating to realism here. What you said was not revolutionary. 98% of purple who liked this video agree with you. Would you please repeat the 4 areas where oversexualization was identified in the video so you can continue this thread on the same page with me

[@SethVanSythe]

@@loudgamerindonesia4485 You must be confusing us with youtubers and (left leaning ideologs of the mid 2010s) who criticized people for playing video games with sexy characters like in fighting games. The reason why we paid no homage to their opinion is because they weren’t part of the community. Only once they began affecting age ratings and sales did we come out to defend ourselves on their turf. That’s not who we are. 2 Things 1) Just cause it doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean others aren’t affected like yourself. Since females are sexualized vastly more than men u able to brush off the problem whereas they can’t. So I can already sense your indifference to the topic thus your opinion wouldn’t matter like how u believe it should. 2) Maybe you’re thinking but I do care. Yes u do. When the media u enjoy changes to have less VISUALLY Sexy people; then u will make some noise bc the content WE all get from creators doesn’t give u ideas about what type of women want to be with, how they dress, or the plethora of images you’ll find on the nsfw side of the internet.

[@h3artz.and.st4rz]

The content the video is talking about: don’t sexualise characters! It is better when they have realistic proportions. The drawing in the background: 🥵🥴😩

[@agnesleuenberger3713]

I don't mind most of them. They're just stylization choices, and if it fits in the context it's fine by me! Also, dark skin and white hair is a gorgeous combination! But I agree on ridiculous male-female design differences. It's quite irritating... Males don't need to look like ugly distorted monstruosities with no charm. Show them some love too! Or, as they said, make everyone ugly. XD

[@error-try-again-later]

I think Beastars struck that balance very well in both the anime and manga.

[@Misile91]

Sometimes twitter artist…aren’t always artist

[@MohammedAgbadi]

yeesh!!! you had to say it lmaoooo now they'll pick on us!

[@froznpyro]

LMFAO!!! The husbando Leon S. Kennedy art is perfection 💀🤌

[@winiity5761]

Bi panic.... At what he drawing 👀

[@MohammedAgbadi]

shhhhh

[@winiity5761]

@@MohammedAgbadi 😂😂❤️❤️ w content tho!!!

[@crownedoll]

The way you do those double lines are so interesting, I love your art

[@Aku_Karya]

i agree with a lot of these, ond I would like to add is usually found in anime where the face of the characters, specifically the head, are all the same. I know that they used cats as references in order to make them cute, thats fine and is a form of creative genius, but you do that with every character and so the only way to tell them apart is by very specific features like hair and eye colour.

[@amethyst.dawn.fanning]

Me at 13:29 when you adjusted the character’s torso: 👁️👄👁️

[@mysryuza]

God I agree with the gender anatomy complaint. It gets so annoying fast and maybe kinda sus too. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone called it “transphobic” or something relating to body dysmorphia. 💀 Not that I entirely agree with it, I’m just expecting the ridiculousness. The memes are hilarious tho- As someone who is tan, it would be nice to see more black characters with a variety of skin tones because not every black person has either just dark tan. Like, have you seen a group of black people? They come in different tones because every bloodline went through different directions. Where are the character with REALLY dark skin? Similar case with Asians, where are the dark skinned Asian characters?? It’s annoying that if someone is racially ambiguous, they’re automatically headcanonned as Black, even when the character is in an Asian country. It makes me sad because there are so many Asians out there that are tan and a lot of people just think of Asian as light skinned.

[@AtesSu2006.]

I understand you. People act like everyone else is the same. I would like to see more characters from middle east with white skin like me.

[@starstorm1267]

Funnily enough, the trope where they make female non-human characters so exaggeratedly feminine is more homophobic than transphobic. The trope originated mostly in the 1920s, where artists and animators wanted to add features to female non-human characters to tell the audience that this character was female so that people wouldn’t think the couple are gay (ex: Mickey and Minnie). It got more extreme overtime however, where they would exaggerate the features of non-human female characters so much to the point that it just looks so incredibly awkward and sometimes uncanny.

[@DreamyyArt]

We need our tan ppl here rn Calling fellow Filipinos

[@cripple8339]

3:24 also missing a huge opportunity to have legitimate dimorphism. Changing pelt colour or tweaking the shape slightly is much simpler and also looks better than just sticking some tids and lashes on and calling it a day

[@Bobo-Nose]

6:51 I think it's just stylized rather than done to have the audience understand because I'm pretty sure the audience is going to assume the character has bad eyesight right of the bat just from the glasses alone. The small orbs for eyes just make it more exaggerated.

[@nico_guy189]

I love your context and your style of drawing, i just found this channel and i arleady want to watch every video

[@heribertosalais4678]

European and Asian characters in some anime shows keeps the standard manga style with minimal change , but the African characters has an almost western style design with Jojo style lips.

[@AZUROVE_]

god i am mesmerised by the brush you use 👀 also the over adding details i am so guilty of that lmao

[@GremlinTime]

Chowder had the unmoving texture as part of the show theme and it was kind of epic

[@SpicyPimkin]

You knew what you did with the video in the background…it really caught my attention *thumbs up

[@toxicsugarart2103]

My favorite example of a clothing texture that doesn’t move with the fabric is Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. I just love how it looks in that style.

[@dizzyclown7131]

Not gonna' lie, the whole "tiny eyes after they take off the glasses" trope is really funny to me and reads more like a visual gag (pun intended). Like, in comparison to other more harmful tropes, it's not that bad and as a glasses owner i don't mind it - i think it's hilarious!

[@Nephelis]

Let's just all agree that majority of these ''issues'' aren't, in actuality, real issues. If it looks good, go on with it, use it as much as you like. It all depends from person to person, not everybody will like a certain style or design, and that's alright. I hope these ''pet peeves'' don't disappear, if it happened it would only mean that ''original'' choices of design would also be overused. I like to embrace variety in all forms, rare or cliché.

[@elijahbanks1947]

As a dark skinned guy I love the dark skin silver hair combo. Super cool and im definitely adding it to my work.

[@lithreeum]

I'm gonna be honest, I was only barely paying attention to your words. That Cake-nnedy be doing unholy things to my head

[@NChrysostomides]

I don’t even care about the drawing twitter comunity I just really love your voice

[@MohammedAgbadi]

wow thankyou so much!

[@tristandaries1129]

JoJos is one of the only examples to consistently avoid over clutter, there is so much going on with Bucciarari for example, but it all thematically makes sense and fits his character well

[@aetaur]

I really never run into the eye over hair problem. I usually know beforehand if my character will only have one eye showing. Definitely get it, though.

[@u235-guzzler]

Just found your channel today but holy moly, that Leon line-art is absolutely gorgeous imo! I very much dig your art-style.

[@ninjaeagleart]

I used to hate the hair covering eye thing lol. But I managed to use it in one of my OCs, and it's pretty clever-- Whenever he's acting "Normal", he has both visible, despite bangs covering one. So, because you can see more of his face, he looks more trustworthy. But whenever he acts more deranged and psychopathic, his eye is not visible under the bang anymore.

[@Shovel________________]

as a person with glasses, i think the trope where a character with glasses which fall off to reveal just little dots is actually really funny. like, it sort of holds true to real life because you just look like a completely different person without glasses, and your eyes look a decent bit smaller, especially if you are farsighted. also i am slightly guilty of the whole eyes showing from behind hair thing, except i only do it when the hair covers up like, the edge of the eye. if the majority of the eye isnt covered, i'll still draw it. my particular pet peeve with design is when characters dont look distinct from each other. sure, characters should be similar in a way that makes them fit in the setting, but i want to actually be able to differentiate them from each other. i can excuse same face syndrome for really stylized and simple designs, but i often see it in anime where so many characters just look the same. like, i see a lot of anime just give their characters super complex outfits and extremely multicoloured hair but like, they look indistinguishable from each other. the absolute worst case of this i've seen was in Hetalia (which i only know because my friends wanted me to see how bad it was), and by god, almost all of them are the same blonde man with the same face and hairstyle. hell, even the guy meant to represent china looks like a white dude and has the exact same face as the others. another thing i hate is when characters never make any extreme facial expressions in order to stay looking pretty. characters just making the most visceral expressions is so much more entertaining and just fun to draw. it just irks me a little when an artist never strays too far from the same plain expression in order to preserve the character's look. i wish less people were afraid to ugly up their characters a little because it makes it so much more enjoyable to see.

[@billmorse5724]

I used to do the side mouth. Happily, I got guilted out of it by a tutorial on Lackadaisy.

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmaoooo dayumm

[@jellyfish1213]

It was so nice watching your drawing process! Your art style is so pretty!!

[@imliteralyjust3405]

I kid u not as soon as the corporate art style was mentioned I got an add with a corporate art style 💀

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmaoooo what the heck!

[@SanitelTheSanitiser]

Mohammed looks so done with life in the thumbnail

[@Edtizerion]

Me who adds a bunch of random details on my characters: 👁️👄👁️

[@MohammedAgbadi]

👁 👄 👁

[@crybabyyprod]

A good exemple of just throwing textures into a cartoon is Chowder. It's basically part of its identity. I think it fits perfectly.

[@error-try-again-later]

Detailed designs are only a problem when they're not balanced right. Many artists seem to think that the important parts of the design (like the face) should be the most detailed, when really, the exact opposite is true. The important parts should be distinguishable at a glance. But adding more details _elsewhere_ can be great at directing attention to where you want it, because our eyes will naturally travel from there to the clearest areas! One of my favourite examples is Sailor Moon's hair. She technically has 2 hairstyles at once (plus accessories) but her iconic twintails flow down alongside her clothes, so it's like they frame whatever outfit she's wearing. Plus, it's not all crammed into the same area. The long parts add some balance to the chunky headpieces.

[@WHTJunior]

For adding elements to superhero costumes, they have said that simple spandex doesn't look good on film, when it relates to normal humans. So, they do their best to try to make the costumes look plausible. When I saw that you included patterns that don't match the contours of the character, like the guy's shorts, it reminded me that I have been seeing this more lately, and it feels so lazy to me. When it's aimed at animation, I get it, but these were for final digital art pieces. I have seen tutorials on how to properly warp textures to match your subject, so I'm not sure how these other artists are getting away with this. lol On a final note, people should be able to express themselves through art in any way that makes sense for them. While we might not like these things, it doesn't make sense to attack them into doing it differently. It falls into the same category of advice that was never asked for.

[@Protocurity]

I'm going to be obtuse for a bit and justify the whole sexualized armor trope. What it comes down to is metaphors in aesthetics and the idealized form. All of our creations are fantastical in some way. By the nature of them being detached from reality, ultimately their dress is metaphor. We have real life examples of people fighting in impractical outfits: Bull Fighters. They wear lavish clothing while fighting an animal that can weigh over 400kg, and this is done for a couple of reasons. First, it is all ceremonial performance, so aesthetics are important. Second, against large beasts things such as chainmail and plate armor offer almost no protection. A bull would completely crush somebody wearing full plate mail. Armor was designed to fight against other humans, and as such it offers very little protection against other things. Character design is ultimately idealized, driven from conceptions in our head and put to pen. Naturally, we default to the idealized forms of men and women when conceiving of them. This can create an internal mental conflict between what we want to see and what is practical. This is partly why we see the hourglass shape put into animals: it is visual coding. The idealized form for women, that is the hourglass shape, and all of their distinctive features that differ from men. Thus, we get the whole bikini armor dilemma: We have the idealized womanly form, coded with other features to indicate that they're a ninja/warrior/fighter of some kind. Idealized forms are attractive, but not necessarily sexualized. The qualities that drive human sexuality (health, cohesiveness, status) also drive our concepts of beauty. Beauty is aesthetic morality, after all, so our preferred shapes are naturally going to be attractive. All people naturally are naked, and adorn clothes to hide ourselves. There's power in attractiveness and sexuality. To boldly display the human form often times is to assert the inherent strength possessed by an ideal body. It isn't just women depicted fighting in bikinis and form fitting clothing. Look at Conan the Barbarian, for example, to see men fighting in loincloths. Hell, the ancient Greeks used to oil-wrestle completely naked. Humans are naturally oriented to want to have sex, so our aesthetics will incorporate these desires. This is what I mean when I say that the dress is metaphor. The bikini armor warrior lady says several things about the character. It depicts femininity, strength, boldness, and either the luck or the determination to achieve such a shape. It is also very pleasant to look at. There is nothing necessarily wrong with it. Now, I don't want to delve too deep into ad hominem, but I find all the people who hate this kind of stuff are usually self-conscious girls, or enthralled by an ideology that purposely wants to destroy the concept of beauty. Beauty creates inequality, after all. I can understand the practicality argument in a certain sense, since it can be given that certain degrees of realism will require a certain degree of practical design. However, given that all art is fantasy, the level of realism given is the one that is clearly drawn on the page. Thus, most arguments for practicality are self-evidently wrong. Practicality gets hijacked by other ideals that use that argument disingenuously, instead of being direct and objecting to the ideals and level of fantasy depicted. This is all a lot of fluffy words to say that there's nothing wrong with something like bikini armor.

[@starstorm1267]

There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do bikini armor, it just becomes a problem when that’s ALL the armor design for female characters. What people mostly have a problem with sexy female armor is that most of the time, it’s so blatantly done for fan service and nothing else. There are no other designs for armor for the female characters that isn’t made to be sexy in some way. It’s important to have variety in the armor design for both female and male characters, for some battles require a full amount of armor for protection and others require little for more movement. That’s how I see it anyway.

[@harley8047]

... Twitter artist? Is that some kind of a new insult? I remember some of these "Twitter Artist" "Fixing" other peoples art. Not for nothing, but "Twitter Artist" has the same energy to me as "Armchair Critic".

[@neu_dae]

what does a "reason to be sexy" even mean? like two people could look at a character, and one could say "there's no reason for this character to be sexy" and the other person could say "the character doesn't need a reason to be sexy, they just are" and both could technically be correct? so what's the point in even bothering to have an issue with "sexy" characters? The artist just wanted to draw a sexy character - people like sexy - it's not that deep.

[@greguardian2]

the drawing in the background while talking abt characters being sexy vs sexualized has me cackling

[@Lanternnn452]

Dark skin with white hair characters are so fine actually I love them sm they always end up being my faves lol (Like Noé and Archer 🫶🏻🫶🏻)

[@quinndepatten4442]

My brain perceives phoenix wright from a 45° degree angle as a different character than phoenix wright from a forward facing angle.

[@PreciseSpace]

I don't usually draw eyes over the hair (depending on the piece) but I do always draw the eyebrows over the hair.... just cuz the hair usually covers the eyebrows (unless the hair is pulled back completely) and you lose a lot of the expression when you can't see the eyebrows :(

[@luminescentpurr]

I CANT FOCUS ON THE AUDIO WHEN THERES A CAKE LIKE THAT