The Tumblr Artist Who Was Cancelled For Making An Animated Series

[@c0rnichon]

A scam is when people take money and run off with it but since the project goals weren't even remotely met, it's not surprising that the show hasn't become a reality. Also, 80k is not a "ridiculous" amount of money for an animation project. People have this idea that artists should ideally work for free (because "passion") but in the end it's a proper job that requires insane amounts of training. The bullying that allegedly went on behind closed doors sucks though. However, the way I see it after learning about it in this video, the project simply failed because of the lack of experience of the people involved and wasn't a criminal endeavour that would justify the label "scam".

[@remuvs]

People are also ignorant to how much work, effort and money animation actually takes to produce proper animated shows at 12-24 FPS. Actual industry level animations are a completely different ballpark to KZbin videos like Jaiden, Emirichu and Domics.

[@ManicPixie-bb7wc]

My dude, $80K for a 7 minute pilot episode is a RIDICULOUS amount of money. That episode could be done by a single animator who has well rounded skills. The designs are simple. The backgrounds are simple. The physics and motion are also simple and cartoony. Overall it is an easy project. There was no need to go full on big studio mode and set aside money for merch and hire a full staff and buy ToonBoom (most expensive of all the animation software) licenses for a 7 minute pilot project. 🤦🏾‍♀️ Bruh. Here on KZbin, there are animators who have made short studio-level animations by themselves or with a small team of animator friends using KickStarters. None of those kickstarters came nowhere close to $80k (most are below $10K) and they *delivered* the promised product.

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

@@ManicPixie-bb7wc My dude, it is not. Kickstarter takes a massive chunk - and fullfillment can cut your number in half. Even a small number of people working on this, plus sound, plus voice, plus music.... nope, you'd be in the red before completion EASY. Especially for Episode 1 where all backgrounds, rigs, designs, and quality control is built out the first time from scratch. For animation - that still would have been ridiculously UNDER funded. And as an animator - I am speaking from an indie animation, two man shop perspective - not a large big studio.

[@mpGreen03]

@@ithurtsbecauseitstrue Of course there are people who do this kind of stuff on their own successfully but it's very rare, and often times it's talented teenager - who lives in his parents home and doesn't have to work...

[@exchangediary968]

@@ManicPixie-bb7wc show me you know NOTHING about animation without showing me you know Nothing about animation

[@teamili7957]

This is why not every meme from the internet needs to be a show

[@Kiralmao]

i contest, we NEED a big chungus show.

[@RipRLeeErmey]

​@@Kiralmao Warner Brothers: *can you don't*

[@This-is-a-commentt]

@@Kiralmaojust watch looney tunes

[@cdau5513]

Fr the amount of people I see saying “this needs to be a show” under the most random things, some of them do seem like they could be but most don’t.

[@lilkeyla5769]

@@cdau5513 it's somethin they just sayin as an passin, an idea- but not somethin that should always happen, if not planned already

[@adrichiii839]

I feel that if this project started as something smaller like a mini-web comic series (with a few animated moments), it would have been easier to manage and MAYBE they could have pitched it as a TV show afterwards (similar to Vivziepop’s Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss). But the team was young and had big dreams so it’s understandable that they wanted to see how far it could go.

[@sonicsnake44]

I agree and was thinking the same thing they should have did this as a web comic first and use that as a launching pad for bigger things.

[@bluetiger2468]

This stuff happens often when a show idea blows up too fast and then there's a rush and pressure to make it a reality. It might have been better if this was just turned into a comic instead of a big project like an animated show.

[@audreyyale2363]

*cough cough all or nothing cough cough*

[@larrackell]

@@audreyyale2363 first thing in my head

[@vixelzzz]

I thought the same thing. This would have been great to carry out through a series of short comics

[@jasperjazzie]

@@audreyyale2363 honestly while miss officer and mr truffles could have been interesting and unique, all or nothing didn't even seem like that great of a concept, it was never going to happen, but even if it did happen every joke would basically be "this extrovert is aroace, isn't that wacky??" or "these two characters are opposites but they live together!" and it'd get old really fast lmao

[@3xfaster]

I don’t think anyone had any ill intentions, I think everyone was just in over their heads.

[@Telarii]

I was there, Gandalf. I was there, 3 thousand years ago... I remember reblogging the original comic. Anyway, people who say it was the worst tumblr scam, must have been living under a rock for "All or nothing"

[@catkilled]

Or that one furry convention that was the literal definition of a shit show

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

@@catkilledtumblr has nothing to do with Rainfurrest. Maybe the con attendees frequented tumblr, idk, but the con was not affiliated with tumblr in any way.

[@skatepunk4853]

@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle I think they meant DashCon and just confused it with furries for some reason. Dashcon *was* the largest scam on Tumblr, hands down beating even things like All or Nothing, because Dashcon actually convinced people to show up to it.

[@tdl487]

Remember when people lost their crap over "Bee and Puppycat" being put on hold for a decade? Yeah, that was a heck of a lot more money and an actual studio failing to deliver. I really think this was more of a legit fall through of the creator being overwhelmed, not experienced enough in animation and production, and not getting the proper help. $88k is a lot of money but idk, the creator didn't deserved such a community meltdown. This is why you just don't throw money at every passion project or silly meme.

[@ChisomagaIhezie]

Natasha Allegeri worked on Adventure Time, so she DOES have an experience in animation.

[@elfi643]

80k is really not that much for an animated show.

[@hoodsu]

i was a big fan of this artist in the early years of tumblr and i watched real time as one of my favorite artists' life plummeted and got dogpiled on like she blew up an orphanage or something. the things people were saying about her were so unbelievably nasty and hateful and it upsets and baffles me to this day. very happy she was able to move forward and is successful now. i hope people who act like theyve never done anything stupid in their lives and feed off cancel clout get humbled.

[@bungiecrimes7247]

Tumblr in a nutshell

[@UsernameNotTaken2]

I mean, I don't blame the person. Running an animation project at 18 is an insane undertaking- it's easy to imagine just whapping something out but it does take a lot of money and people. Background art can cost a few hundred, each staff member would probably take around $3k a month in both benefits and pay. If you have 10 staff members it'd be $30k a month. Plus, toon boom is expensive- if they're doing multiple licenses then it might add an extra $3-$5k a month. They also will probably be looking at office space, electricity etc. Which is all very understandable. The issue is, it's an 18 year old getting pushed forward and ramped up towards making an entire studio from scratch for something that likely doesn't need an entire studio. They also probably felt the need to include the people that pushed the campaign forward- so producers etc were added when they too were probably not needed or qualified. I feel bad for the artist, hopefully they go onto making some cool stuff. I don't think this was a scam though- and can see the logic in their funding goal

[@ScooterCat64]

I don't get what the big deal is, it's a failed project and non of the fans had lost anything unless I'm missing something

[@growingsage]

Tumblr users have a reputation for being especially illiterate and jumping to the wrong conclusions. Basically Tumblr was proto Twitter in that regard.

[@leoanimefan444]

The fan just didn't how hard production for project is.

[@Crusader316]

​@@growingsage🤢🤮🤮🤮

[@foisopracurtir6389]

@@growingsage Heck, people keep saying that Twitter became the cesspool it was/is BECAUSE a bunch of people migrated from tumblr after it banned porn

[@yellowcard8100]

Many tumblr users moved to Twitter after the exodus on tumblr. It sucks, I wish they had stayed in that bubble. @@growingsage

[@ectoplasm8682]

Right show, wrong hands… truly a shame, I don’t blame tea though, she’s still young and learning.

[@Damascene_]

Oh my god, this project. This is INFAMOUS in the art community, like, the second you think about art scams in the community you think of this project. It really feels like the embodiment of “we cant have nice things”…

[@MohammedAgbadi]

This!! sadly i feel like it would have been a great series tbh if only it was handled better

[@Damascene_]

@@MohammedAgbadi Especially in regards to the potential in diversity. It seemed like the creator really wanted to care in that regard, at the very least? Maybe. I feel like we could have really had something, if only things had gone the right way. I do think it would have worked very well as a graphic novel series, TBH.

[@VaporwaveLover2000]

ive never heard of this tbh guess i need to look more into artist drama lol

[@C-Farsene_5]

@@MohammedAgbadi atleast we bear bears exist, and was okay for a bit

[@Thewaterspirit57]

It’s not even a scam. People had FAR too high expectations for something that got only 80K for a full fleshed out series, with a crew that was smaller than when Disney started out.

[@cidevant002]

Excuse me, but she was 18 YEARS OLD??? I didn't know about that! Everyone always talked about this like a huge scam that it was done intentionally, but a literal kid that just stopped being legally a kid last week is literally the LAST person I would ever trust to take off such a massive endeavor. Viv, the artist who made Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss, worked for years on her own projects and spend a lot of time learning her creaft. Whether you like her or her project, nobody can deny that at least she has experience! Of course that kid wasn't going to do much of anything, they didn't had any clue of what they were doing! Oh, just knowing that I feel truly bad for this person.

[@toriburgess605]

I mean 80,000 is a LOT, but 8,000 couldn't have ever been enough to bring it to life the way it really deserved. I don't think it was a scam so much as a LOT of poor choices made in desperation that did not end up working out. They had a vision, it was far above what they could realistically achieve- and they learned that the hard way,

[@ithurtsbecauseitstrue]

80,000 - they would have ran out way before completion.

[@Thewaterspirit57]

80k still isn’t enough for this project.

[@MetalGearsOfThought]

People upset at the user names kids on tumbler once used, often slurs that were lobbed at them, are pathetic. Go after someone who actually has hatred or nefarious intentions. Not someone who's actively supporting LGBT people. What kind of a world do we live in that the stupid things kids say are held against them for the rest of their lives?

[@MochaSlushes]

That’s tumblr for you

[@breanda]

yeah like, doesnt it say shes in a relationship with a woman too? if thats true its not like shes cis/het and saying it 😭

[@ኃጢአተኛነፍስህከመዳንበላ]

@@breanda She was dating a transwoman, so basically a man. She was never actually LGBT she just went by "they" pronouns and dated a man who went by dif pronouns. I used to be a big fan of hers back in her "Villainous Storyboard" days and she was always really laid back and kid. I think she just got dealt a really bad hand between the fact she got popular on Tumblr of all places, and the hellscape that resided there in its prime.

[@cheebuu3360]

​@user-xo9ov4gl7q what's not bigoted: Lemontreeflower's old user name What is bigoted: this reply. What the fuck

[@based980]

go after someone whos actively supporting lgbt people, its fun

[@grimace9670]

I don’t think it’s a good idea to make a full length series off a random funny animal picture, the premise is so basic and generic bc there’s next to no source material lol

[@pyradragon]

The other one being the ‚All or nothing‘ idea of a show. Literally just a prompt/ concept with nothing else. Like no actual script or plans. Even a game concept that promises representation for lgbtq and bipoc as far as i remember from izzyyzzyy‘s video didnt have anything else in terms of ideas just past representation

[@This-is-a-commentt]

Solution: make stuff up

[@RipRLeeErmey]

​@@This-is-a-commentt Yeah this genuinely could've been a good show had the writer had a bit more creativity and made good use of the concepts

[@This-is-a-commentt]

@@RipRLeeErmey and it looked like they were

[@xduwu4257]

I don't really think this is a major issue, or doesn't have to be ig. The issue is these creators didn't treat it like a prompt/inspiration and instead tried to build the entire show around a simple concept.

[@js66613]

"Passion projects" meaning you can't be paid reminds me of people saying things like "if it's a vocation, if you're doing the job you want to do, why do you want a pay rise?" I think that attitude sucks. Granted, I don't think this was handled well - why does merchandise have such a stupidly large section, considering the goal of this was mostly to bring a cartoon to life, not sell merch -- but also, like, wouldn't that pay for itself? (if it's good). I think this was mishandled, yes, but I also think people hate its failure to deliver their expectations in excessive amounts in calling it a scam. I mean, this was essentially started off by an eighteen-year-old - someone who is barely a young adult and for argument's sake is still likely to be impulsive compared to longer-lived adults. It's not surprising they jumped headfirst into a project without actually using that head to think things through sufficiently... Also, I do think they could have covered their fund allocation more explicitly and with more clarity and had more of a plan, but... like, dang. And if that mistreatment allegation is true, that sucks. This is a good learning experience though for any up-and-coming animators and show creators.

[@elenatheartistandgamer2001]

As a future animator I know animation takes a long time too make and especially if you don't have time and your doing everything by yourself. So I would be surprised if the artist got overwhelmed or got to ambitious to quickly and then all of a sudden you know what to do with the project. People can't except a show to be done quickly like do you want it to look like a mess? Plus it cost a lot of money for production to even start and it would be the equivalent to selling your soul to company you give you creation too and hoping it will sell. So I feel bad for the artist in question. This is actually the shit that stresses me out ;-;

[@leoanimefan444]

I agree hope the artist can recover from this, I don't think this failure should weigh her down forever.

[@CidZero]

As a Canadian: Yes. We actually do see Bears within urban areas. My parents always had Bear problems where they worked. But regardless, we still need to request aid as they will cause panic.

[@Melon_Soda5]

You were actually spot on about the bears. They just kinda wander around and do stuff.

[@dermond]

OK, it is so weird watching this video about an artist whom inspired me to study what I do, to find my passion but I completely missed this thing, since I only used Facebook and she had a fanpage. I even remember drawings about her and Anna Pijamas, since back then (2016) the latino Facebook art community was really small, so many artist talked to each other. I was wondering where has she been all these years, the last thing a knew was that she worked on Villainous, which really inspired me to pursuit my dreams and stuff.

[@aninamated3984]

Yeah, this is one of the reason I'm hesitant to do a kickstarter 😅 I think I'll just keep doing animation without it for now, so I don't feel too pressured. Quite the story this was, and I had never even heard of it before. Thanks for sharing!

[@MillywiggZ]

Well, at least Sam Hyde’s scam only affected Bronies.

[@MohammedAgbadi]

lmfao

[@HarmonyHope7534]

Fun fact: That wasn't technically a scam, because he had been aiming to hires programmers before everyone pulled funds out due to fear of a scam. Honestly kinda wish we lived in the timeline where the game had been made, even if it might've been bad.

[@TheSlipperyNUwUdle]

Still shitty they were targeting a community of people and just mocking them for liking something unconventional. I know everyone has met a shitty brony but I’ve met many shitty people from many fandoms and they’re rarely branded in quite the same way bronies are.

[@skatepunk4853]

@@TheSlipperyNUwUdle Bronies "are"? Are you commenting from 2012 or something? Back in the early 10's, Bronies weren't just weird, they were *invasive*, and on top of that entitled - there was no fandom they wouldn't crop up in and them get upset when that fandom didn't make them its centrepoint. If you don't believe me, go into the Know Your Meme images, sort between random images (pressing "R" when looking at an image will load a random one) and see how many MLP-themed images you get. I can promise you, it's going to be *a lot*, and this is with ~10 years of new memes and images being created, because again: Bronies were invasive and unable to tolerate a fandom not being "MLP-adjacent". Since then, they've calmed down a lot, though, and as I said at the beginning: the hate has died out since they're not being annoying anymore.

[@KO_Star_boi]

It’s an evil world we live in

[@MohammedAgbadi]

fr fr

[@nottired6205]

I LOVE hearing different perspectives from the art community on wtf happened with that whole project since it's p joked abt💀! Glad to see one of my fav KZbinrs covering it!

[@soloscape3]

I actually recognize her cause she worked on villainous, I don't know if she's still on the team

[@westvirginiascoolestcanadian]

this was actually such a cute premise for a show and i’m sad it didn’t work. but ultimately she was 18 and her followers were definitely expecting too much of someone who’s quite literally fresh out of high school. also lemonteaflower is queer herself, as was stated in the video, and it’s commonplace for queer people to use homophobic slurs as a way of “reclaiming” them.

[@fatcat5817]

Looks like I gotta reclaim my sacrifice pass since I am of Aztec descent. 😈

[@Zman201]

I know Queer was originally a slur but it has since been "reclaimed" and is actually used very often it's literally in 'LGBTQueer+'

[@westvirginiascoolestcanadian]

@@Zman201 yeah like i can tell you from experience that gay men say the f-slur all the time.

[@C-SD]

02:33 had me lmfao 💀 I'm not in Canada but pretty close, once in a while you will see a bear come through an urban area. I lived about a half block from a fire department hall. One year a bear was wandering through and kept going to "hang out" at the fire hall. 😂 They gave it a day hoping that it would just wander off. When it didn't, they tranquilized it and moved it to where it was headed. Things I've seen roaming free in the city: raccoons, skunks, possum, hawks, turkeys, occasionally chickens, geese, a couple different types of snakes, groundhogs. There are things like rats that are in pretty much any city. Can't forget the deer. Usually just one, but sometimes 3-4. My mom used to work at a furniture store and a deer somehow got into the building. The weren't sure whether to call animal control or wildlife, fish and game.

[@charli3charlieeeeee]

OMG can't believe this is THE same person who now works on A.I Studios 💀 w/Alan Ituriel's "Villainous"

[@Psycul]

SERIOUSLY?

[@charli3charlieeeeee]

@@Psycul YEAHHHH

[@_BubblGum_]

whats that?

[@StickmanStrozzi]

i mean i wish they would've just settled on making a webcomic, its much less work, and it's probably going to end up looking better

[@c0rnichon]

Yes. An actual animation studio could have turned that into a real show later if the comic turned out to be good and popular. Much less risk and more financial stability for the creator.

[@panda.with.a.pencil]

OH MAN this was a wild event to live through. I saw the thumbnail and had FLASHBACKS.

[@J1mmySticky]

Fr

[@MohammedAgbadi]

😭😭

[@ajthewildwolf]

I feel so bad for this poor artist. They were put in a really shitty situation. Some people forget that becoming a legal adult doesn't automatically change the way you think or the amount of experience you have. A 17 year old and an 18 year old aren't that different.

[@Iuxinterior]

let’s be real this would not have been a good show

[@cow-stealin-gal]

The part about drawing alone: heyll nah, it’s awesome. Quiet enough for me to focus. But for real tho, I recently became a bit more comfortable drawing in a public space or with people nearby.

[@cow-stealin-gal]

Oh shoot…I just finished watching the video. And the fact that the campaign completely folded in on itself from the inside is crazy, especially at a point where the 18 yo artist had most of her control taken away during the whole thing.

[@Snack_Pack_Attack]

I actually really relate to that drawing alone part to be honest. I was surprised he said that but I always feel anxious when drawing in public 😅

[@cow-stealin-gal]

@@Snack_Pack_Attack speaking of which, have you found any comfortable quiet drawing spots? So far, I’ve found a few quiet spots in a community college but they don’t stay quiet for long.

[@macgyversmacbook1861]

If I saw the animation first before being told it was from tumblr I’d know where it was from already

[@animedemonlenz]

I have never even heard of this. Wow. I can't believe what absolute crap I missed. 😵‍💫

[@MohammedAgbadi]

😭😭😭

[@panda.with.a.pencil]

Oh man as someone who lived through it, it was an adventure

[@animedemonlenz]

@@panda.with.a.pencil must've been.

[@thealpacaofsupport258]

Rn i am abouy 21 years old, and the amount of change in my mentaily from when i was 18 is insane I feel bad for what Lemon had to go through here, she was a kid having big dreams and commiting mistakes bc she was a kid I am happy she eventually was able to get into the industry she wanted to be a part of, i hope she was able to learn from these mistakes

[@Y0ur_Fell0w_Art1st]

This is really sad tbh

[@MohammedAgbadi]

it was pretty sad!

[@NelsonStJames]

Most people have no idea the actual amount of work that goes into any film let alone an animated film and what that would cost especially if they’ve never done one which is why the first thing I want to see before I consider funding anybody’s film project is “what have they done before?”.

[@Thewaterspirit57]

80k isn’t actually a lot for an animated show. People here clearly just had too high expectations for such little money, or even expected really high quality animations for a small sum. Most people online who make really good animations usually have a really well paying job, so they can do this in their spare time (and also) take a long ass time. Like this one really high quality Sailor Moon animation I found apparently took the creator 6 months to make in their spare time… and it looks really amazing.

[@marie-vr3cj]

I live in Canada and can confirm it's pretty common to see bears just hanging out (in my area at least)

[@dennispatzelt7160]

Something similar happens with the project Canon Busters. The pitch was fundet by a kickstarter campain, but the backers never get the pledges.

[@joshdewitt8796]

Canadian here in an area with lots of black bears. I can confirm you just see them walking around, sometimes in the city. They get into all kinds of shenanigans.

[@magicalcapi9148]

the fact it was NOT funded was so LUCKY! Lemon Tea dodged a MUCH heavier bullet if she actually had to deliver it Animation and crowdfunding are no joke. You NEED to know very well what you're doing or you'll be crushed Glad everyone had the chance to move on, all the best

[@wilt_ed]

80k is such a fair amount to ask for, I've aided animations with Kickstarter goals of 120k USD before. It's so much more than people realize. The artist was given way too much shit they didn't deserve, they had a realistic price in mind and people with no background knowledge just took it and ran.

[@Bigbunnyhoppers]

VERY off topic but I actually like watching your videos- your voice sounds so satisfying🧍🏾‍♀️

[@MohammedAgbadi]

😊 thank you sm~!

[@cosmolosys]

A lot of kickstarter projects are basically just investments. There's always a risk of losing your money

[@PizzaTramp]

Am Canadian, can confirm they always doing silly things. One time a bear stole my dad's deep fryer.

[@kirbyjoe7484]

When it comes to creating an animated show, $80,000 is a ridiculously low budget for even a single 10 to 15-minute episode. To put it in perspective a 20 minute episode of most Western animated shows runs between $1,000,000 and $2,000,000. Even little indie studios doing it on a shoestring budget will need around $300,000.

[@ericpratt984]

What in the world? Why do they cost so much? Or better yet, why don't they use that money to produce goods instead? I know cartoons can be cool and all, but what good is it if people are dirty & starving to death? Like come on.

[@artikulv731]

⁠@@ericpratt984I know this comment is a month old, but animation (especially 2D animation) costs a lot because of the sheer amount of effort that goes into it, such as making character designs, storyboarding, rough animation, cleanup and colouring, lighting, etc. takes a LOT of time and effort. But people still try to make in big in indie animation because of how a lot of studios (especially nowadays) are pretty in favour of making boring or inoffensive content to make it as marketable as possible, which is very creatively crushing for a lot of people and pushes them into trying to make it big on their own.

[@baalfgames5318]

Honestly, there should be more environmental shows. There's too many shows, games, movies, etc. that depict nature as inherantly bad. I'd love to see more media that shows you why nature matters.

[@This-is-a-commentt]

May I interest you in the Lorax perhaps?

[@piretiris8223]

​@@This-is-a-commenttwhich one?

[@This-is-a-commentt]

@@piretiris8223 both

[@piretiris8223]

@@This-is-a-commentt the 2012 one is kinda shit tho

[@This-is-a-commentt]

@@piretiris8223 your right, the old one I recommend

[@hypyman45]

I remember this on a tumblr post 10 years ago and even then, i always knew it was going to fail😅

[@Thewaterspirit57]

Dude very quickly offended the entire Animation community, by assuming 80K is a “ridiculous amount of money” despite the fact that’s what professional Animators with tons of experience SHOULD get each year, for a regular 9-5 5 day work week. They actually get paid on average, 30k or less across a 6 day, 12 hour work week, expecting to make incredibly high quality work with their team. You couldn’t be any more of a representation of how little people value the work of Artists.

[@jackkyle8414]

I live in New Brunswick (atlantic canada), and I remember one time when I was a kid walking on a trail, we saw a bear cub. They're rare, even in rural areas, but if you're lucky (or unlucky) you'll prolly see a black bear once every 10-20 years. In more populated areas like Toronto or Ottawa, or Moncton or Edmonton, you'll never see them. You'll see rabbits, skunks, coyotes, and sometimes deer in those areas. I've lived all over Canada, so I'm speaking this from experience. What you said at about 2:20 isn't inaccurate.

[@lia-brisa8073]

OMG! I know Amy and didn't know about this!! we worked together in Villanos!!

[@Galaxxi]

I was actually around for this whole thing front to back lmao, I followed the old production tumblr and if I were able I would have backed the kickstarter. I still stand by the opinion that it could have been a cute indie project, it was just badly managed by inexperienced people and they should have made more example material instead of jumping straight into the kickstarter off a trend. If this were somehow rebooted, I would still be interested in it, especially in this day and age where indie animation has more of a chance than ever. It really wasn't that bad in hindsight, or perhaps it just seems that way because there's been so much more insane drama since lmao.

[@narly.noodle]

Just want to remind everyone that the people who made the Velma reboot show didn't have any good intentions. Not for representation and definitely not for fans of the scooby gang. They admitted to hating the original and I think they showed their hatred well. Them changing her skin was most likely to get it the amount of attention it got, before ppl successfully forgot it's existence.

[@spideyosiris]

Haven't seen your channel for a while and seeing this video feels surreal because I know Lemonteaflower in person (not friends or anything) and there's a lot of people in Mexico that really hate her or have a bad image of her. Seeing that a bad image of her reached your channel and more people in another countries feels strange, but I think it's okay to give advice on people that makes really bad mistakes.

[@maximillionchaoswolf]

i'm surprised their account is still around, and they are a Disgaea fan too thats pretty cool, glad they got another chance to work in animation after all that.

[@DanksterPaws]

80k isn’t much at all. Lackadaisy’s goal was 300k and they ended up with 2 million bucks

[@darklordganondoofus]

But the chunk of money for merch makes sense for me, you make merch, sell it, and earn profit as the merch will be a marked up price, this profit could be put back into the project to generate consistent income for the project?

[@therealopaartist]

This is like how ‘ALL OR NOTHING’ went down.

[@jadeL1351]

This is why believing that you can change and create anything with only the internet is purely delussional. All the successful things that happens in the net is just the surface and the real deal always happens in the offline world. Touch some grass people.

[@grim8074]

I agree.

[@Theaissu]

In 2018, Family Guy cost 2 000 000 $ per episode to produce.

[@maximus0wls6415]

I feel so bad for the 18 year old animator (as a 19 year old majoring in animation and hoping to make my own animated show one day in the future). If my art would have gained this much popularity I would have been so excited and it would be so unfortunate and sad for it to flop. The artist's career is just starting, however, and I'm sure they will make great things in the future!

[@BooziUzumaki]

She could have paced herself and did a comic instead and got funding to do it full time eventually i feel like this is a classic case of taking on to much to fast

[@JesusMartinez-rr2ry]

I told you people. Never speak of VELMA EVER AGAIN!!! I already had more than enough of that nonsense and I'm already sick of it!

[@rummycake]

Idk why I thought of the twelve forever creator when I read the title

[@crisgriffin3042]

Velma and the new Scooby Do was anything but representation.

[@lilkeyla5769]

watchin as i draw lol 7:26 9:39 well making merch helps support show- well would have helped basically, havin merch is a way to make more money, like a loop? which is how alot of youtube series run (take helluva for example or even hazbin, maybe lackadaisy) but thats usually for AFTER a pilot lol which is why its alot of money, which shouldve went into other stuff too it sucks this never became a show, there's so many fandom animations i see being made, these days as a starter, but still need a better team

[@Kelekona]

Naw, bears roaming is common in Canada, as well as other wildlife. The more near a forest (which at least in my province is everywhere) you are, the more likely. Literally pokemon hiding in all the wild grass. Also even at the time, I thought the project was kinda cringe. I don't have much faith in what I feel was a cash grab, no matter how well intended to follow through, it is what it is. I say that because banking on a meme really is that. Sad the artist lost money on it.

[@HMDcat]

the artist also used to sell baby clothes with the word "SHOTA" on them...

[@Quailbbu]

☹️

[@Cosmicoded]

Wait what

[@AxiEisa]

So people got mad for buying a meme essentially?

[@swagbexr.]

I only entered because I saw that she is part of the Villainous staff lol, good video

[@baalfgames5318]

Also, the bear kinda reminds me of that chonky one Markplier voiced. I forget the name of the show.

[@ScooterCat64]

The show was named Villainous

[@user-x7dc2pq7n]

I don't see how its a good idea. Its just the "regular person and their wacky animal companion solve crimes" trope from the 70's

[@Nightmarc369]

It still could've worked in the artists own interpretation if it had made it.

[@artbeeverything]

great video. thanks for the captions! i know a lot of deaf and hard of hearing folk that will really appreciate it.

[@DarthRiley]

this is honestly just sad, it mostly seems like it was canceled because people just thought animators work for free. That budget seemed pretty reasonable IMO.

[@Ally-ek9ue]

i love ur captions, i always watch with subtitels on, so its nice to see some polished nice captions

[@nope6021]

It is pretty normal to see bears in Northern & rural Canada. Small towns, small city suburbs, along highways, on walking trails. Its also very common to put down bears who get too confortable entering human spaces. The consensus is that if they know human homes/towns/garbages = food then they'll just keep coming back because its easier than hunting. If a bear is gonna be relocated they have to *really* be relocated, far enough from wherever they were getting into human stuff that they wint be able to (or wont bother to) make the trek back. And all of that process is more expensive and time cinsuming than putting them down. I personally believe in relocation but I know from experience that its usually not what happens with them. Maybe they'd bother to do it with a cub cause it has a whole life ahead of it, and may struggle more to find its way back to human towns. Buuuuut on the flipside the cub now knows human towns = easy food and it is at higher risk of coming back to that town, or another one, as an adult. 🤷‍♂️

[@lavender_lights9193]

Probably would have done better if they started it out as a webcomic instead but oh well

[@user-rh1kt3pq2s]

80k is the budget you get for animated film from government institutions (in bulgaria)...

[@dogstarlite]

Great video! I think about this whole era of Tumblr a lot LMAO. What a wild ride. Also, in a similar vein, if you found this interesting, you'd LOVE diving into The Arkh Project. That was a whole mess in a different sort of way.

[@BakedBuddy]

I remember Ami and spoke to her a few times. She's doing great now, working for cartoon network making cartoons haha

[@XenoSOL985]

this reminds me of detective tomska and tanya bear. just basically a joke about a youtuber called tanya burr and tomska just wanted it to be a bear

[@luminosity2989]

Off topic but, your voice is so relaxing!

[@V4MP_WHAT]

hey mohammed im your fan i watch your old videos they are so funny and make me laugh

[@reng.2588]

Hello I'm new to art and because of you i decided to avoid the Art Community and will publish a comic series someday. I can't deal with people who are chronically online and will just demoralize you. No wonder social media platforms ignore these problems cause they think art is.just copy and paste which is insulting.

[@PhilBo-fp9mz]

Man,, this would’ve been a fun episodic show. Live and learn

[@This-is-a-commentt]

Hanging on the edge of tomorrow!

[@reinerbraun9103]

I find it quite humorous that people had to complain about some kid's account containing a slur when there was much more bad things going on. Was promoting the project on that account professional? No, but I find it ridiculous that, that was being pushed as a complaint when there was worse going on in the background.

[@-ZeBiggestBirb-]

normally you see more deer than bears in canada but if you live up in the mountains you might see a bear sometimes, sometimes even a moose. had a moose stuck in a fence once, my neighbour saved it luckly.

[@SleepyRulu]

Oof 60k for this man that sucks damn

[@MohammedAgbadi]

😰

[@SleepyRulu]

@@MohammedAgbadijust damn that sad it’s depressing to dreams died like that

[@watermelonuu]

as a canadian, i had a teacher who had a moose family living in their back yard-

[@AnthyLoneExoria]

Back in the day, I had heard the big controversies were: - She verbally abused her animators (screaming and insulting them) and failed to pay them - The picture that inspired the memes actually had a much sadder ending (the bear cub died) - The real life person didn't give their consent for their image to be used in the animation - She used designs that she didn't come up with without the permission of the creators. - There were legal reasons why you can't just reuse official uniform designs without permission And that's just the stuff I remember.

[@Miku_lover281]

The finances section reminds me of the hannah swem Minecraft mod (rattle made a commentary if anyone wants to check it out)

[@ኃጢአተኛነፍስህከመዳንበላ]

Lemon always got dealt a really bad hand, honestly. She used to work on the show "Villainous" by Alan Ituriel as a storyboard artist and I remember (back when it was still small), people were threatening to boycott it and rate it badly simply because she was on the team. She would get so much hate that it was always ridiculous. None of it ever made sense either, like seen in this video. She was always kind and chill when she was in on Villainous and I hope she's doing better now. Her art is great, her style is unique and recognizable, and she's never done anything intentionally malicious.

[@VworksArt]

9:03 Instantly knew something was up.

[@12toro]

If everyone got there money back. Was it a scam

[@This-is-a-commentt]

No, not really

[@solanelukoperse5815]

Nooo, there are a lot of great shows with queer and poc representation, don't let this badly written cartoon (Velma) be the face of it X)

[@DeaditeCaz]

Bears are kind of common here it depends on if you live in a city

[@Long_May_They_Raine]

That picture of the officer was published on my 11th birthday, slay.