Marc Andreessen on Elon Musk, Nietzsche, and America's Thousand Year Empire

[@kwameadjei3504]

The philosophical and historical context you guys provide to current affairs to better explain where we are today, what it means and predict where it could lead us, is the deluxe version of ‘All-In’ that I think you should hone in on and makes you unique. Love it, subscribing now - Marc please stay 👏🏾

[@SageShepherd241]

excellent show. I like hearing the discussion but it would be good to get a little more debate and less group think. Marc Andreessen's view of history seems blinded by Ayn Rand. Its a little more a reading of her philosophy and a little less reading of Nietzsche. Using Niethzsche's name to argue for fascism is an age-old misreading only one aspect of his writing. You have to read him in context. Taking his writing and placing it in modern context to argue for a strong arm leader of centralized fascist ideology that runs rampant in business community is itself a derranged religious morality. Only Marc Andreessen can complain about victim culture in one breath and then center his own "hero" archetype of privledged opressor is the true vicitm. Its an astonishing level lacking self-awareness and self-delusion.

[@kreek22]

"to argue for a strong arm leader of centralized fascist ideology" A childish misrepresentation.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

These guys zero about Christianity like Nietzsche

[@SamuelHauptmannvanDam]

Come on. Really? No one arguing against everything being a sign of Christianity? Seems super lazy.

[@kreek22]

Secularized Christianity.

[@silverc4s146]

Fantastic synergy here. Good brains at work, not a lot of ego involved, and there is a lot to learn. Please meet weekly and give us a treat like this again!

[@cactustree918]

This is the kind of thought leadership we are missing in the public discourse.

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

Just in case anyone was wondering why they are talking about religion, it's so they can better explain Elon who is giving his fortune away to save us from our sins on Twitter.

[@zelda7239]

"God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us?"

[@justtestingonce]

Why is this so boring?

[@bleacherz7503]

It’s the exhaust of speech drag racing

[@dmosher]

Great discussion of the professional managerial class and how Elon has upended that. The first few weeks of attacks against him owning Twitter was the PMC trying to reject him to no avail.

[@therealjayz8036]

So you think Twitter is still worth $44 billion as we speak?

[@swish6143]

@@therealjayz8036 Net worth is something the PMC worries about. Do you care about the market value of a car if you bought one last week?

[@jasonoconner7863]

Heck yeah! Listening to y'all while I'm building. Good stuff.

[@jasonoconner7863]

Damn, I want that grey, "There Will Be Blood" final act sweater Dan's wearing.

[@zdmc23]

Antonio mentions St. Paul being responsible for Christianity finding market-fit, sure, but then you all proceed to discuss Christianity only in terms of the Crucifixion and never mention the Resurrection. It was the same St. Paul who said: "And if Christ has not been raised from the dead, then all our preaching is useless, and your faith is useless. And we apostles would all be lying about God-for we have said that God raised Christ from the grave... And if our hope in Christ is only for this life, we are more to be pitied than anyone in the world" (1 Cor. 15:14-15,19) There is plenty that could be said and done in WEIRD societies if we stopped decoupling hope from victim morality. The hope that "moral arc of the universe is long but bends towards justice", or the hope of "a more perfect union" being formed, or the hope that reconciliation is possible and that historical sins need not be atoned for indefinitely in some quasi purgatory, etc... That said, if we are looking to Christianity simply as a model to describe (or even to shape) modern societies, rather than actually believing in the Messiah, then "we are fools to be pitied" PS. Christianity does recognize heroes and individual capabilities (see: Parable of Talents), it's just that when you zoom-out and compare humans to God and to the Messiah, then those capabilities are insignificant and make the human hierarchy very flat. Genghis Khan, Alexander, others commanded empires. Jesus commanded Nature ("who is this that even the wind and the sea obey him?!"). Not even remotely comparable

[@TedRicasa]

Really great discussion. Would someone mind telling who these guys are? I only recognize Andreessen.

[@Eternalspring22]

His disciples?

[@jimmyjimmy5574]

So let me get this: Low-production podcasts are the biggest cultural contribution the 'dissident' Silicon Valley tech bros have decided to make? Like seriously, that's all the contribution you believe you can make? What the f*** is all that money good for then? Just end it and let them win.

[@kreek22]

What a whine.

[@bleacherz7503]

managerial class doesn’t invent anything - Apple is the Worlds largest managerial lead company ???

[@kreek22]

They invented a few things under Jobs, but then...

[@byroncrowell1127]

Saint Paul as a growth hacker. Now that's a new one. Jaded and cynical but a somewhat entertaining and a thought experiment. Cheers guys.

[@flourking]

Cool new podcast guys. Hoping for better results than all in which has turned into just a politics banter & Elon simpfest

[@kreek22]

Cool comment, except for the grammar.

[@julius422]

This was incredible. Can't find this type of discussion anywhere, and with smart good people. I would love more of this type of content. Thanks gents. Keep talking about NIetzsche!

[@19battlehill]

You must be one ignorant person. These people are pure evil and you think they are good? Try learning something yourself instead listening to half truths and lies.

[@dave7244]

They had no idea what they were talking about.

[@abel.3000]

Best podcast I’ve heard in a long time, so refreshing. Keep up guys ❤❤

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

@41:01 - WHY... 😢- Why punish us with ads and promo material. It turns a great conversation into "just another podcast"

[@MomentofZenPodcast]

Gotta pay the bills

[@user-wj8pi5bj3k]

What in the all in podcast knock off Is this

[@pranavpalasamudram6119]

This is so boring!

[@로악귀-u9w]

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[@smitacharya6024]

Love the deep-dive into philosophy and history. Think it differentiates from just commentating on the week's current events (All-In) given there's likely a lot of overlap there between the two "pods"

[@warrenwelsh]

is this part 2 already !?!

[@ChrisAthanas]

7:19 yeah religion is not a thing for most people Most people are just trying to survive So the grift is normal Ethics are secondary

[@ChrisAthanas]

If you want to be a part of the cathedral you are likely going to be singing in the choir and nodding along to the sermons It's not mysterious

[@thephilosophicalagnostic2177]

And then there's the WEIRD societies. AKA Minnesota Nice. Hi dere. Goin' fishin'? Ya, up to da lake...

[@MrBSmizzle]

20:00 Prince Harry!!

[@slamslidestyle]

YES and pt2 the next day? Thank you! The combination of humorous and playful conversation, mixes well with the high level explanations and breakdowns.

[@NuanceOverDogma]

What popular and respected Christian uses victim narratives vs popular and respected Jews or atheists who are known for their victim narratives thru the woke cult movement

[@thephilosophicalagnostic2177]

I love this. Say the magic incantation and people will do what you want. Much snickering. :)

[@calvincoolidge6627]

This was better than all the discussions in all my college classes.

[@ezyryder11]

39:51 according to David Sacks on All-In they don’t work lol 🙄

[@dave7244]

I listed to a fair bit of this. The concept that Jesus was just an obscure criminal is so reductionalist is asinine. I am pretty sure that these are 4 dudes have no idea what they are talking about.

[@AminCad]

Christianity doesn't elevate victimhood. It elevates sacrifice, which is deeply linked to human compassion, which in turn is a uniquely warm-blooded-animal trait that is essential to child rearing.

[@kurtjohnston8370]

People were compassionate to their children long before a jew supposedly performed magic tricks.

[@nicholaselliott2484]

@@kurtjohnston8370 way to add snark to change hearts and minds!

[@kreek22]

That begs the question of the origin of the victim morality hysteria operating today in the West. If its ultimate genealogy is not Christian, what do you suppose it is?

[@frankjennings4489]

Christianity is not a single philosophy. Some iterations promote victimhood more strongly than others.

[@AminCad]

@@kreek22 I think the rise of the victimhood culture is a hack on the empathy-for-young-children instinct. By triggering that instinct, opportunists can evoke panic and shut down critical thinking.

[@loudmanCA]

Re: Elites and revolution: A lot of that discussion reminded me of Anne Applebaum’s Twilight of Democracy. Could you guys invite her on and just do a fireside chat? Would be dope to hear her and Marc chat about modern day elites, power struggles, etc.

[@kreek22]

Applebaum: another neocon. Neocon = Trotskyist. Evil and boring people.

[@LaceMuzic]

real review here: thanks guys for uploading the second part, i think the first part is amazing and perfect how it is, and a new fan like me can click into your page and watch another hour of this second chunk here, it is probably more concise this way and i absolutely love the convos and info i'm gaining from watching and listening, thanks guys!

[@BYZNIZ]

Twilight of the idols Was a good read in Highschool

[@reedjohnny4635]

Well, I was most excited when you mentioned Burnham!

[@MomentofZenPodcast]

Well I have another hour of Burnham discussion coming out in the next few weeks, stay tuned - Erik

[@Ellerich800]

Mark needs a better mic. He sounds muted

[@Ztube111]

People can't care for the sake of caring?

[@tomm5905]

Fantastic guys, great competition of the All in pod. No annoying Jcal.

[@eric.aaron.castro]

“God is a conjecture: but I ask that your conjecturing not reach further than your creating will.” - Thus Spoke Zarathustra

[@kreek22]

It may be that almost any morality, when unloosed from pragmatic pressures such as state survival, pursues its principles to the limit and becomes destructive and insane. The American ruling class has been wallowing in a low threat international environment for 30 years. They have lost their sense of what is necessary to ensure long term survival of their state. All of their institutions are devolving into morality plays that entail incompetence becoming a virtue. Merit is demoted in education in favor of the promotion of arbitrarily designated "victim" groups. The military expends significant resources on ever expanding social programs rather than focusing on its quite crucial mission. Intelligence agencies are warped into tools for enforcing "victim" obsessed speech codes. All of the institutions are homogenized into this movement, their functionality and credibility simultaneously impaired. Something analogous happened when China under Mao attempted to take communist morality to the limit, and achieved the madness of the Cultural Revolution. The people suffered, the state was weakened. What followed was Deng's wise confinement of communist morality to the realm of rhetoric, whilst in the world of action he undertook thoroughly anti-communist revitalization of state and society.

[@mechhyena6957]

This is the "All In Podcast" on Wish. The off-brand "All In Podcast".

[@irmazandl]

LOVE this podcast, guys!! However, re ChatGPT, I've been using it for the last few days and it's been SERIOUSLY DEFICIENT. I'd dial back my expectations on that one!!

[@landonh]

Confusing this was broken into two episodes. Why do they start the same. I skipped this because I thought I had seen it

[@antoniof6952]

This type of conversations is EXACTLY what we need. I like the all in pod but please keep this format, it's 100x better than just talking about the news/current thing

[@sucim]

What the hell is this?! And why is it soo great?! I‘m hooked!

[@Gutenmorgenside]

Not a patch on the All in podcast. Lacks eloquence.

[@tylerbranch6082]

You guys tackling philosophy and religion in episode 2 is bold. All In guys would never ;) Love the show.

[@sebastianaguiarbrunemeier9192]

Cool that Marc Andreessen is becoming radicalized... You should have Balaji on also.

[@EFCasual]

Imagine if this guy read Imperium instead of Dominion.

[@ArtMun79]

Great show! What are your Twitter handles

[@jijomathew613]

😎

[@auroraideas4409]

My new favorite podcast! Keep it going!

[@aliomar9622]

A thousand year empire?

[@ronf28]

You've got a new sub!

[@quaidcarlobulloch9300]

30:00-32:00 = beautiful

[@bleacherz7503]

Hey - we are only losing $1 Trillion a year - that is one trillion is being scooped up the corporate takers

[@kreek22]

meaningless blabber

[@ethanherdrick9950]

Where is part 2?

[@michaeldimatteo8290]

Great podcast!

[@quaidcarlobulloch9300]

23:12 Steve Jobs!

[@ryanlasek4199]

So good

[@daveweinstein6434]

This is great, keep going!

[@angusnunn5844]

Great content - keep it up

[@BurningQuestionLLC]

Bravo!

[@wantstocomment7092]

what sets humans apart from other apes is the use of ideas about the collective. slave morality unequivocally is core to the universal ideal of democracy. I don't think I like how nietzche's moral philosophy is used here. I can make a more compelling case on the opposite side of the spectrum that also accommodates a notion of progress.

[@kreek22]

I can make a more compelling case --so do it.

[@swish6143]

Then please do

[@commentstan]

@@swish6143 philosophy degrees are expensive. 10k.

[@f18a]

Great discussion of religion -- if one ignores Confucianism, Hinduism, Buddhism, and many other activities of the Ancient Era.

[@joshreji7510]

Yes

[@loudmanCA]

Moment of Zen > All In because at least these dudes don’t pretend like the world started when they started paying attention-appreciated the history lessons. Keep it up. Also, can you invite Timothy Snyder on to dunk on David Sacks’ and Elon Musk’s takes on Ukraine please? :)

[@kreek22]

Snyder is a propagandist for the neocons. Boring and predictable. Why not just invite Dick Cheney on? Or raise up Rumsfeld?

[@swish6143]

Just watch both. Diversity of opinions is a great thing.

[@markwalker1152]

right? right? right? right? right? right? right? right? right? um, right?

[@Kid_Ikaris]

Someone killing themselves is hilarious? Right off the bat these guys are openly admitting they are evil.

[@notwilliamlee]

Marc is goated

[@suleimanpeshawari1032]

SBF did a favor to humanity! He ended all the hype around crypto. Done and dusted forever

[@kreek22]

Perhaps hyperbole.

[@beaubeau6498]

Tell us you missed the bullrun without telling us you missed the bullrun

[@suleimanpeshawari1032]

@@beaubeau6498 I did miss bullshit run and for sure don’t miss missing it

[@abbefolkseger6927]

17:50 doing that as Adult is different- Consent for physical Harm ;)

[@trumpyla]

The Darth Vader! #Pmarca