AKB48 members being shook by the cultural difference on Produce 48

[@JassPurr42]

"whatever, let's all go for an F" THIS IS SO RELATABLE

[@ravanelli5039]

Jasper Aecil savage Saho xD

[@glennzagelasius643]

Me for exam

[@nurdalyena9061]

My inner spirit

[@itsleahhh9810]

Me with my friends knowing we’re all gonna fail our exams.

[@eri6984]

Do you knoe the name of a gril right next to her? Girl with bangs?

[@erikaallen9595]

"Let's go back to Japan" I felt that.

[@monikayourg]

I felt that and im not even from Japan, nor am i Japanese😂😂

[@llIIllIlIlIlllIllIIllllIlIllIl]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kai596]

Moon Jar 😂💀

[@CutieRingoJoy]

I felt that too and not even Japanese or from japan. But I always feel like I need to go back to my own country whenever I travel I feel I’m stand out too much because I look different or culture different.

[@CutieRingoJoy]

Moon Jar same

[@엄복순-i6n]

Imagine being insecure and feeling shitty and then you discover it's all rigged anyways

[@nurnadhirahsaing6169]

That must hurt a lot of the participants ☹️

[@blackshade1463]

The things is people were complaining there should have been more Japanese in the group but because it was rigged they didn’t get in. However that was proven wrong because the participants that failed due to the rigging were both korean

[@엄복순-i6n]

@@blackshade1463 lol ya really think the jpn participants weren't mixed up a little? I mean istg sakura's a sweetheart but she was really bad and she didn't deserve that A more than any of the other jpn trainees. I'm sure they stirred up the pot quite a lot.

[@blackshade1463]

@@엄복순-i6n I mean in the end it’s a popularity contest doesn’t really matter if your good or not(although it was still rigged). My point essentially was people were saying there should have been more Japanese and saying a lot of crap about Koreans rigging it for Koreans, which I kind of disagree with. My point was ,in the end , there wasn’t anymore Japanese people who were supposed to be in the group anyway. In actuality there could’ve been less Japanese in the final group. Also don’t understand what you mean by the jpn participants being shake up.

[@maplesyrup2986]

In the first place I think it was unfair because the japanese contestants where already celebrities and the fact that it was a popularity votes makes it worse. The talented got pushed aside even though they good. Even though it was rigged it was very unfair even from the start

[@ainurmaisarah8456]

"Its important to show that we are having fun rather than sing or dance perfectly", "mm yeah because that's what entertainer supposed to do" Sometimes, people just forget that music are created for us to enjoy and not for competition for who on top or bottom tho,

[@rikaze]

I think that depends on what the intention behind a piece of music is. Music isn't always for enjoyment, sometimes it's for expression, other times it can be for communication. I think the disparity here is that idols in japan are entertainers, whereas idols in korea are performers/(highly manufactured) artists. Yes, both provide entertainment to people but they do so in drastically different ways. You'd notice the gap between musicians/artists in korea japan isn't quite as big.

[@selenacabello5278]

Yes music is for enjoyment but if some idols have fun performing doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fun to watch so it really depends

[@nolongerasimp2041]

I LOVE dancing and singing and have fun while doing it, but I sing and dance like a dump truck. Is this really enough to become a musician or an entertainer? I don't think so, maybe just for a comedian

[@selenacabello5278]

@@nolongerasimp2041 hahahahah facts

[@unjungkim1526]

Sorry but I don't enjoy bad music or bad singers. That's my personal opinion so... I guess some people might like how j-idols entertain people

[@tommynguyen767]

The Japanese girls are so genuine and so funny. I’m going to get an F. Whatever let’s all go for an F That’s loyalty right there. One fails, we all fail together 😂

[@valdusoswald7130]

My thoughts exactly, the Japanese girls were not afraid to express their true feelings wow. Compared to the strict manufactured girls of K-pop

[@YusufAlMansouri]

Valdus Oswald you can’t compare people who had several years of stage and cameras experience to trainees (most of them) who never got TV or stage experience.

[@iknowyoucanhearme6483]

@@valdusoswald7130 In Korea, to debut is the goal. Whatever it takes. Even suppressing your feeling.

[@epiphanyrose8150]

Me with my friends on a test 😂

[@grayft]

@@epiphanyrose8150 😂

[@joy1857]

It’s because of the culture difference. Let’s be real the Japanese idols are not bad they are actually good. It is just that the kpop industry like to start perfect while the jpop industry likes the process of becoming perfect.

[@redfish337]

The point of 48 groups is never to be perfect. It's designed to never be able to reach perfection. Getting too good at the new song? Well here are a bunch of newer ones... music video is filming in 5 days! Theater getting too polished? Let's shuffle up those members a little bit! It's not aiming for perfection- it adds chaos and makes them roll with it... and that's a lot of the fun. Since they aren't auditioned for the exact same thing, K-pop members probably have higher peak song and dance skills on average, but a lot of AKB can be pretty good it you actually let them just practice the same few songs with the same few members. Different groups have different concepts though of course.

[@hazelcrisp]

The whole watching them grow and improve is a thing about Japanese media an culture. If you look at Japanese wrestling andd compare it to the WWE it less of your fave becoming champion but more of the journey and story of the Japanese wrestler and their image. A lot of the most popular wrestlers/idols are the ones with an interesting story not necessarily who is most talented which gives the relatability aspect. If you want a good look at how some groups work I'd suggest watching some jpop idol anime like B-project, Uta no Prince sama, Tsukiuta, Love Live, but I'd heavily suggest 'If My Favorite Pop Idol Made It to the Budokan, I Would Die', which has very good satire about fandom culture but does have a lot of heart to it as well. It why idol anime works so much as it's about the story, fun and journey of the idol group be it underdog, personal struggles. If it was a kpop group anime that focuses on the main appeal of the group it would probably just be perfect animated performances.

[@akaRyuka]

Most of koreans are already talented before becoming trainees. Just look at BTS, the members were already in classic dance schools, or street dancers, classical musicians, part of the underground k-rap industry, etc... You're not trained to be perfect, that's BS. Japanese idols are just dreaming about becoming an idol, they get scouted and then they work to have a level decent enough to be considered as professional and okay for stages. Where korean idols are people who actually work the sh*t out of them since childhood. Not because it's "like creating a product". They are still people, they want to achieve this perfection. I just don't like when people talk about idols like they're plastic dolls without emotions. Yeah reaching their level is not easy but they're still humans enjoying their idol life. The standards are just different in both country but there's also political issues in that.

[@hotmariani4239]

But Johnny Idol have trainee system not like Akb48

[@user-ip8bw7gt2x]

Japanese pop groups will never reach Korean pop The amount of work they put in will always be over shadowed They debut after a month Seriously thats their standard?

[@cocopuffs7465]

K-Idols: The perfect person you want to date. J-Idols: Your best friend on a spiritual level.

[@ahmadfadelyusuf4003]

@Alice They cant LOL Kpop idol fundamental is A perfect i dol that expected to do everything right and perfect.

[@huyennguyenthu8394]

not J-idol, it 46-48 group idol :)

[@no-ku6jp]

​@@ahmadfadelyusuf4003 no? they have personalities and are humans. kpop idols are some of the funniest people. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rIu4l2N8bLFkpqc this video is my proof.

[@moqtada5370]

@@no-ku6jp it's just a joke calm your tits

[@mistermean4205]

Christopher Columbus yesss

[@정은영-m1j]

Japan: _"Idols are _*_singing ENTERTAINERS_*_ "_ Korea: _"Idols are _*_entertaining SINGERS_*_ by dancing or etc"_ So j-idols have to make fans happy and k-idols have to be good at singing and dancing because this is their job and they are all professionals not amateurs. This is just a difference in the point of view between two countries so please don't fight.

[@bb-tt3te]

PERIOD. ikr? their job is not to make people happy or smile. their main job is singing and dancing. this people....

[@Vivisheyislonger]

Only overproud fans that always fight about that 👁👄👁

[@MarauderPeter21]

well not exactly it depends on their company, not all japanese idols are mean to be just entertainers, that's the principal point, yes, but, Project 48 never, never trained well their idols, there are some gems that have talent, but are so few tha the only thing they do was show a bad side of j-idol, when in E-Girls, Fairies and Specially Hello Project girls you have better singers, better dancers, just see this video is from 2010, group C-ute members age in that time 18-14 years kzbin.info/www/bejne/eHPTfXavbtGUq6c they sing and dance very well live or this kzbin.info/www/bejne/hoGxlal3ZdqEiac Morning Musume (red) vs AKB48 (yellow) both are Idol groups, but Morning Musume sing better in a lot of ways, also the past leader from Morning Musume Takahashi Ai were always compared with Taeyeon because both of hem were the leaders and main vocal of their groups between 2007- 2011, so NO J-idols also trained

[@XXXKaruXXX]

At least the japanese idols dont try to hide that they do lipsync, they even make concepts about it like perfume singing with robotic voices,while kpop idols try to fool you with "the backtrack", wich means that they sing but you dont actually hear them

[@user-nv3tz2hu4u]

@@XXXKaruXXX well it is true that some kpop groups put backtrack. BUT they put it usually because of their performance. It is difficult for most kpop groups to keep up with the choreography sometimes if they have to do hard tricks like getting back up from the floor at the stage while singing. That's why their decision was to put a back track during their performance to make the overall performance even enjoyable for audiences. And also japanese singers lip sync during their performance as well. It's not just kpop but all artist/idols around the world. It really depends on the singer if they are confident and professional enough to choose or not to lip sync.

[@alex-os5en]

J-pop idols are supposed to make you feel happy and have fun with them. K-pop idols are supposed to amaze you with their talents. Both are hard-working performers, but it's not fair to judge them in the same light.

[@scarletm9091]

exactlyyyy

[@btsnctg-idle5102]

Agreed!

[@jannatnaz4862]

Yup

[@Ymanyyyy]

You are right. Yet you can't blame the judges since they joined a k-pop show.

[@reharm_reality]

Yes!!

[@SameReasons]

Did anyone else get sad listening to them realize what they’d gotten into? It kind of broke my spirit a little 🙁

[@engnder]

Yeah, it really wasn't a show they should've been on imo. I feel like there's too big a difference in the entertainment industry in jp and kr. They expect different things, this must've been awful for them :( Harsh

[@wavs3608]

Yeah. That was harsh tho' but this would be a good experience for them.

[@AAA-ub7wh]

Cultural difference? It's just plausible pretext. If J Pop idols wanna call themselves singer or dancer, they have to do it well. They're "idol". They have to be superior to other common people in singing and dancing. Oh yes, someone says that the purpose of J pop idol is to make someone happy. That's funny opinion. If we listen to Beyonce's music, we feel happy, don't we? Because humans feel katharsis when experiencing some artistic things. The people who keep saying cultural difference between Kpop idol and Jpop idol just want to hide Jpop's problems.

[@vip5hawol-deehirota]

@@AAA-ub7wh I think you replied on the wrong thread, m8...

[@imnotdaredevil3714]

@@AAA-ub7wh i really dont think akb48 is to jpop what kpop idol groups is to kpop. like for korea, korean pop IS idol music. and no, beyonce isnt akb48. its more like saying well broadway, rap battles and ariana grande are all music so why cant eminem belt, why cant ramin karimloo make a good diss track and ariana cant act? (well ig ariana actually is an artist. but like. Nickelodeon.)

[@donut.covers]

To me, it was really unfair, since as they explained, Japanese idols learn as they're in groups and improve, while in Korea you have to be PERFECT before you become an idol.

[@MissyxAkunai]

There's merit in both systems. This is only the pretty portrayal of the Japanese idol system. In Japan, you don't get teachers, you don't get help. You could be singing or dancing irregularly and straining your voice or body parts and cause permanent damage and no one will correct it (because no one knows what's proper and what's not). You learn by watching (it's every trainee for themselves), unless you have money. It's taboo to teach another trainee dance moves or help them catch up to speed in order to prepare for a song (if you watched the series there are many points when the AKB have stated it was unusual to get help from someone else). As well, in Korea, at least larger agencies, they will provide their own training sessions because they see potential in investing into the soon to be trainees. At least in Korea, if you're picked up by a proper agency they will let you go if they don't see merit in keeping you. In Japan, you might be debuted/considered an idol but never have been on a stage before in AKB.

[@fayebae4005]

@@MissyxAkunai That was actually one of the most interesting things i learned while watching the show. How touched and surprised the Japanese trainees were by the help the Korean trainees were giving them because they hadn't gotten it before. It was surprising. You're right that both systems have the merits but the thought of them getting permanent damage to themselves is something i didn't think about.

[@TERRA_-uk5gg]

@@MissyxAkunai I agree in you that there is merit in both the Japanese and Korean idol system. However, its not like in Japan that idols don't get any formal training beforehand. I don't know about other Japanese idol groups, but for AKB48 and its sister groups, when they are kenkyusei (understudies, trainees) they do receive coaching and are taught dance moves or choreography. Even when they are full members, all of them will go to their respective studios to learn new choreography or to relearn choreography from past shows and the teachers will help them. Also, some members (ex. Takamina, Sayanee, Yuko, Sayaka) will teach members, but yes I agree for the most part they have to learn the choreography on their own. Also, in Japan one of the fan attractors is to see the idol mature and grow in front of them, so its okay if they seem inexperienced at the beginning. Lastly, when they covered some of the trainees in NMB, their dance teacher was saying that once they stood up on that stage, they were professionals so it was up to them to do the work and as a group figure it out to make the best performance possible.

[@eunhaec.4084]

um why is it unfair? It was their choice to come on this KOREAN program.....they should've been prepared to accept a cultural difference. Yes it's sad but it's their choice and honestly, kpop is booming and there's a reason why korean music is being recognized in the US. I think it's good for these girls to recieve these kind of critiques cause they will improve later on

[@rodrigoesc3747]

@@eunhaec.4084 well they did choose to come on a korean show but also the trainers should have prepared to accept cultural difference, not only the AKB girls. Most Times they all got Fs and I felt like it wasnt F worthy just cuz they werent in coordination with One another and this kept going even after they explained that back in Japan, coordination didnt matter as long as the fans were happy

[@queenning28]

I would say that Kpop/Jpop/Cpop are essentially founded on every different entertainment values: Kpop idols - Competitive and spectacular showmanship with high-level professionality in singing/dancing/rapping skills etc. Jpop idols - Relatability and companionship like having a cute friend/child and supporting them as they grow up Cpop idols - Insane visuals who make you wonder "are they gods/goddesses???" and often shine the brightest as actors/actresses rather than singers

[@joliejarina1696]

Cpop idols are really great performers even before they debut they're already talented and even 1 month of training their skills are already showing how powerful they are

[@afrilS]

Is cpop idols really that good looking? For me kpop idols look more like God than them

[@Vivisheyislonger]

Even if i'm not cpop fans, i admit they are very goodlooking

[@joliejarina1696]

@@afrilS both kpop,jpop,cpop have really great visuals if you ask me ,all of them are goddess and gods of beauty

[@aprilmaejune967]

A lot of cpop idols actually have extensive musical and entertainment education. For example, most of them went to an arts school since they were young, learned different art forms, and probably also have a degree for acting or dance.

[@todayiglowup4286]

they did those japanese girls so dirty by putting in a show like this. imagine the insecurity they felt

[@thaothelazycat930]

As highly flawed as the structure of this program is, the fact that they could overcome the insecurity and even debut is great in itself.

[@bttnat439]

LOL It seems that you didn't watch the show. Joke on them, the Japanese were way more popular in the show than the Koreans

[@neqproa]

@@bttnat439 and most of the viewers of this show are Japanese.

[@bttnat439]

@@neqproa The Japanese viewers/fans had no influence over the show or the Japanese girls popularity among the Korean viewers whatsoever, cause they were not allowed to vote. Only the Koreans were allowed, beside this show was also simultaneously broadcast on Japanese TV subbed in Japanese and the rating was low.

[@M2GTJ]

Hmmm maybe you should blame the AKB48 producer for ALLOWING such a program and allowing those idols to feel the insecurity. They knew what they were in for going in.

[@anmol7060]

Sakura : We are done for Also Sakura : Gets the 2nd place

[@clydep1670]

😂😂

[@kekw5153]

Me: *looks at friend* we gonna get at least B don't worry Also me: Gets a D

[@nataliey2851]

netizens: sakura can only do cute concept ddu du ddu du sakura: hold my hotaru

[@emme6080]

tbh she only got 2nd place because they didn’t want a non-korean idol winning 1st. she should’ve won 1st no shade

[@gowonshealthyscalp2127]

the original center

[@melody1743]

theyre so humble they keep praising the korean trainees 😍

[@mikek1635]

melody Well because Korean trainees are fucking awesome compared to them. They’re being honest.

[@raindomthings7913]

Mike K true. Even you have a pure heart but you didn't have talent at all, you are not an artist

[@hlly20]

Mike K I know, that's why I'm more excited in watching these Japanese trainees when they improve. Makes the show more interesting to watch. (Edit: I like Sakura btw ❤)

[@mikek1635]

Heina Lyllan Lets hope they improve tremendously cuz they got long ways to catch up.

[@hlly20]

Mike K I believe they will, just by waching the episodes, they're really persistent and hard working. 😊❤

[@lissethesquivel8542]

Y’all know there were many times the 48 girls had to learn dances in less than 30min, and that they have to dance and sing on a stage with other 20 girls at the same time, with almost no practice, akb48 concept is based on this “Idols you can meet” Aki-p (their boss) said that he wants akb48/48groups to be an experience and a way to help the girls understand what they want and to find themselves. This is just a comment so people can understand how akb48 works

[@Funkopedia]

Not to mention, AKS groups have like... 1500 songs at this point? Nearly every single one with a unique dance, unless it's a solo. The style is just different, is all. It's about moving and shifting into and out of position as a cohesive unit, not as 9 individuals. It's sending football players into a basketball game.

[@mojataxko3802]

@@Funkopedia and then imagine being Jurina... 😅 She's been in two group at the same time as well as been the senbatsu member + her schedule at the theater. That's a lot of song and dance formation to learn and remember. And she's also the center as well as Acchan's stand in.

[@somethang9264]

"Understand what they wants and find themselves" Didn't one of the members getting in trouble for dating a guy

[@gierer797]

@@somethang9264 she still supposed to have commitments to the group so if she wanna date she can graduate (leave the group/withdraw, etc) otherwise get in trouble

[@somethingsfishy8477]

Seriously, you guys really believe in this idol bullsh*ts? There is an idol (1st or 2nd gen) who isn't very famous and get bullied by the industry because of it.

[@scenerybyv5902]

6:42 she just threw a shade on JYP without knowing lol

[@istanlegends8456]

tea. OMG I LOVE HER ❤

[@rditapr.7709]

knowing what?

[@marixcx]

SCENERY by V It’s because she did have the jyp vibe

[@nekomimi387]

[mari]- girl groups she was a former trainee in JYP

[@limevine2245]

@@marixcx not just jyp vibe

[@angelinebeltrn]

*My goodness. I can see myself getting an F.* *Whatever let's go for an F*

[@abbyrmx8316]

Me and my friends in school

[@Ksueme]

Same thought haha

[@caterina3706]

My life summed up

[@FollowNRBH]

The ones saying that, Tomu and Saho didn't end up getting Fs. Those liars. You always have these type of friends in school who pretend to be bad but they end up doing decent for themselves smh

[@k-musictrash356]

XD big mood

[@azmaliestylx5468]

My heart honestly broke for the J-idols. They’ve never had any training whatsoever and it was so difficult for them bc everyone criticised them for doing this wrong or doing that wrong. The cultural difference between both Korea and Japan is so big. Korean idols have to be perfect, if they do one mistake, they’re put on the spot and cancelled for not being good enough. In Japan all that matters is that you’re having fun, your fans are enjoying your concerts and fanmeets. It must’ve been so hard for them :( I hope all of the participants are doing well now. I hope that this show didn’t affect them in a way that they want to give up. I hope that the only thing that they took from this show is that they’re improving as idols, and that’s okay. You could be the best dancer and still want to improve. As long as they’re happy, I’m happy

[@imthecoolest50]

ღAzmalie Stylxღ it’s like a 6-year-old starting school but is already forced to study a middle school syllabus.

[@XMissGX]

Also in Korea not all kpop groups can sing and dance lol

[@phonkearl3581]

@ Did it look like it didn't when it comes to Japan? Cuz it's like you're trying to imply that J-Idols don't have talent.

[@hermawansusanto6028]

@ Yeah, and then they kill themselves and who's the fault for that, The Kpop Industry, all this fucking cunt producer who doesnt give a fuck for their talent mental health and well-being.

[@PalitoSelvatico]

@ yeah thats why they are basically slaves who starve themselves, cant get a romantic partner and end up wanting to commit suicide. So much talent!

[@GleeChan]

Coming back to this 4 years later, Sakura gave an interview sort of talking about this. Like several had said in those interview segments, she was already an idol for seven years and felt completely outclassed by "trainees". And like everyone she was breaking down crying, feeling that all her experience meant nothing. However, she also said seeing the Japanese participants looking so defeated lit a fire in her. She decided that even if she couldn't make it, she would fight her hardest to represent all the Japanese idols there. She also said that the Japanese idols were basically all cheerleading each other, regardless of the competition. They just wanted to show that someone from Japan was worthy at that point. So with Sakura advancing in ranks, improving massively, and nearly winning the thing, she said it felt like she was doing it for all the Japanese idols there, more so than herself. Now she's in LE SSERAFIM, after IZ*ONE disbanded, a group that's in the top three of rookies as of 2022. With such a successful debut year, and with no cracks show yet, the group might be posed to be one of the top groups of 2023 as well - they admittedly it too early to call that yet. Point is that Sakura has been a Japanese idol and succeeded there, been in a beloved K-pop group who's members are still loved way after disbandment, and is in a position to repeat that process now. This was all due to her hard work and determination - and of course her love for entertaining and the fans.

[@NihilistAlien]

And you believe that nonsense? They are idols, marketable clines, all of this is just PR and votes meant nothing, producers decided everything and probably banged one or two for extra favors. There is no passion or magic nor talent in that industry.

[@itsot12]

@Glee-chan one of the best comments here

[@muhammadfauzan2575]

Why am i crying while reading this 😢

[@qraee]

They were all so proud when she became popular on the show too it was so sweet

[@downundabrotha]

The results were rigged. Apparently Sakura had the most votes.

[@ice-choco-Icecream]

Actual footage of me and my friends watching Kpop surviving programs for idols

[@PuthyStuntin]

OMG TRUE DAT!! 😭😭

[@aini6570]

J idols are so relatable lol

[@baekchoi4389]

Can’t understand how idol is not good at singing and dancing. It’s basic things have to do.

[@yellowrose9580]

baek choi They don’t get trained in AKB48 and sister groups, They have to practice and train themselves

[@jo_han_na1359]

Lmao this is a Fat check for me😂😭

[@kimberlygaviola2865]

While watching this I remember Chaeyeon saying "Japanese are celebrities, while Koreans are trainees" and it broke my heart💔 knowing Chaen is so perfect but she's insecure too😭

[@CloudX3r]

What does he mean by that pls explain??

[@zakeernalir2871]

@@CloudX3r japanese are entertaining while korean idols are working too hard for perfection ,it not fun anymore because it always makes you anxious

[@anikassa]

I think she was referring to the fact that the Korean participants were all still trainees whereas the Japanese girls were all already celebrities who had already debuted long ago, who had real experience and were known to the public

[@fleija482]

@@zakeernalir2871 That's wrong, she was saying that Japanese idols have already debuted more than 5 years ago in Japan so they already have fans to vote for them.

[@imthecoolest50]

@@fleija482 aren’t the voters only Korean?

[@BrokenNoah]

1:34 "Let's all go for an F" And that is how I coast through life lel

[@Pashmimi]

I hope all the commenters laughing in korean and saying that j-idols are talentless can continue to laugh knowing that AKB48 sells well over 1 million albums in their first week each release ♡ they can make fun of them all they want but they're more successful than most kpop groups. I say this as a kpop stan btw, I don't even listen to AKB48

[@Momosaurus]

Pashmimi all the Japanese trainees care about is making their Fans happy w their music which I love! People who laugh at their “lack of talents” make me sad cause either way they are doing what they love and that’s what matters

[@Pashmimi]

@@Momosaurus exactly! if it were true that j-idols have no talent, then how do you explain all the people who are fans of both jpop and kpop, or even people who stopped stanning kpop groups and switched to jpop? or all the korean AKB fans that exist, even though they have a """"superior"""" domestic market of idols? even off-stage they're talented, I've watched clips on twitter of the AKB girls on variety shows, and they're such funny entertainers that it made some of my favourite groups look shy or tame in comparison. they really love what they're doing and it shows. edit: fixed typos

[@jaehoonchun8439]

No they’re actually talking about why are Kpop idols have to be so strict (I think) and pls don’t hate on all Koreans we aren’t all that mean also Japanese people hate on Koreans to and I’m not trying to attend you if I did sorry

[@akaRyuka]

well, ask someone in the street to name k-pop groups and then j-pop groups... they'll be able to at least say BTS, Twice, BlackPink, but for j-pop maybe no group at all... I'm not saying koreans laughing in the comment are good, but thinking AKB48 rules over k-pop is a complete lie. K-pop groups are way more successful. BTS even rules over legends like The Beatles and Michael Jackson. A j-pop group would never reach that.

[@Pashmimi]

Jaehoon Chun don’t worry! I don’t think all koreans are mean of course, I just saw a lot of comments that were laughing at them back when I posted this :( I did see some nice people too!

[@justminteu]

Japanese trainee have positive atitude!!!i love it

[@mikek1635]

just mint Yes they do. But they’re far behind.

[@raindomthings7913]

Positive attitude is not enough

[@justminteu]

Rainier E.L enough for me

[@mikek1635]

just mint Then You don’t care about talent.

[@ryanfathurrahman490]

Mike K great talent but with bad attitude is hopeless

[@jooesubliminals6581]

"Whatever, let's go back to Japan" MEE.

[@hdjdxyxcck1596]

I was crying then I saw this😭

[@akari707bangtan]

They have decent skills of singing and dancing just by watching their senpais. Just imagine how much improvement they'll get if they actually got real vocal and dancing trainers in this show. Plus their charisma is smth you just can't deny. They'll get better. They're hardworking talented young girls who just want their fans to be happy.

[@thrynx]

*"For us, it is more important to show that we are having fun than to sing or dance perfectly."* This is the thing some kpop idols lack, sometimes they sing and dance so perfect on repeat that it makes the stage boring. Imagine watching same robotic stages over and over again. Having fun on stage makes it more lively and enjoyable to watch.

[@Kyong008]

True, even I have some Kpop groups that arent my cup of tea in terms of music and talent yet perfectly understand the fact that they're popular because of the way they interact with the average people and their fans, and I respect them for it. If only Knetz decide to just not do occasional witch hunts and unnecessary harsh criticism everytime a Kpop idol has personality and is just being a normal human being then things would definitely be better

[@C-eo1rt]

Kpop idols aren't banned from dating or made to shave their head if they get a boyfriend. They don't stab each other in the back by leaking band mate details to "fans" to assault another band mate. Only for that band mate to apologise for complaining that they got assaulted.

[@Hellokitty_391]

That's why there's a thing called stage presence, idols need to be good at singing, dancing, and having good stage presence, i could say Wendy Shon is the perfect example of a perfect idol.

[@joni4867]

The Japanese girls were so kind and sweet! And the Korean girls were so hardworking and beautiful! I'm glad this season was mixed, it was so much fun watching them interact! :D

[@이다은-f6r]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@lionelmessi1928]

Fact: No one in Korea is interested in Japanese idols. But the Japanese envy K-pop idols. Japanese idols can't have concerts in Korea. However, Korean idols sell out their Tokyo Dome concert.

[@whippedforminhee4626]

ok... so? theres a difference between kpop and jpop. kpop aims to be a global group because they wont make a ton of money with just fans from korea. jpop tends to make music that japanese people like cause they make a lot of money with just japan. yes kpop is known better than jpop but that doesnt mean that kpop is better than jpop. different audiences, different needs

[@xecillmaze4740]

Sakura: I'm gonna get an F Also Sakura: *Gets an A*

[@tannedpotato5375]

Weiss Frost Sakura was already decided even before the show

[@SaveMeMoon]

@@tannedpotato5375 Easily!

[@xecillmaze4740]

@@tannedpotato5375 dude that just sounded shady

[@unuboldlavien9281]

We all have that one friend

[@MyRedgurl]

Somi and her have something in common, they have star quality.. that's why they were given an A by BYJ

[@stannctorbeasquare]

I felt so bad for the Japanese trainees. They never got formal training and they do what they do for fun and entertainment. They really suffered a lot with the cultural difference.

[@CutieRingoJoy]

Alex. This reminds me of the time in primary school, over graduation year, our class is the dumbest class. Our freaking teacher freaking trying to make fun of us by bringing kids 2 years younger and from smarter class to compare with us and tell us why aren’t we like them. I’ve been to choir , dancing too. There will always be people who have more experience and made you feel your not good enough, the most I can do is try harder. Still I feel not good enough.

[@the.antihero0]

they're NOT trainees

[@ihateallrace.soimnotracist550]

자꾸 문화차이 계속 말하는데 개소리마라 문화 차이라면서 열심히도 안해. 대체 왜 프로그램 나온거냐? 일본아이돌은 실력이 박살나서 내세울게 귀여움밖에 없는거다.

[@yuzurucorner]

@Alex sis it was rigged from the beginning. The ones being ripped off are majority of the Japanese idols some korean trainees and the public. :/

[@nicos9163]

@Alex koreans have their nationality. producers are more biased towards koreans.

[@hiraidiamond5933]

"whatever, let's all go for an F" I FELT THAT

[@beautifulthanyoubissssess6734]

GUYS THIS ONLY THE AK48 TRAINING PROCESS NOT THE WHOLE JPOP WORLD

[@marumaru4001]

BALDSOO COMING FOR YOU That's exactly what i wanted say

[@mikek1635]

BALDSOO COMING FOR YOU Stop making excuses. These Jpop idols on Produce48 represent the majority of Jpop in sales and popularity.

[@alexdhamp]

Mike K How'd I know you'd be here hating on Japan and spreading misinformation? XD

[@alexdhamp]

JUNG KOOK'S NOSE SAVES LIVES Don't bother with the hater. They're _everywhere_ hating on Japan and giving false information about them. Look up any J-pop vs K-pop video and you're sure to see them there doing this.

[@reyanime]

Most Jpop idol groups are like this. It's not just the 48 groups. They have very minimal dance and vocal training.

[@applejuice2423]

Over the years of Japanese kpop members joing groups I've noticed they all like to say one thing... *Eh?*

[@barrierosen3673]

That's just Japanese in general. That's their version of "What the...?"

[@maiseree1511]

You'll hear it in anime often too

[@moon-lo8ic]

*EEeHhhhH?* *nANi?*

[@SingAlongKara]

nannniiiiii?????????

[@Mika_Mika06]

As an American who lives in Japan because of my dad’s work, and I’m learning Japanese, it’s formally written as “ええと“ or ”ああの“ which is just their version of, “ummmmm” or “let me see.....” え(eh) is just basically shorting ええと…

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

The comment section speak like experts😂😂😂

[@ben-kn8bt]

hahaha so truee honestly

[@f.j.9391]

Kpop & Jpop fans are educated in the countries ent. (Contracts, process, business) Unlike American media where its one thing :illuminati & rumours.. Really? They actually go throught the same process just not really focused on performance more like drama played.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

F. J. So youre an expert too🙄🙃?

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

jkk jkk Its dumber to act wise pal.

[@Written_in_the_Starss]

jkk jkk i just dont guve statements that are not proven. Like alot in the comment section that acts like economist, lawyers, sociologist😂

[@user-kw4wc1he4h]

The Japanese girls are real and genuine and wholesome AF. I think it’s amazing that they get to grow throughout the years after debut, while making people happy along the way. Chasing perfection and only valuing perfection from a young age is so damaging mentally.

[@rexana]

"We only debut after a month", "we never had any vocal training" As a Jpop fan, this is true. Morning Musume for example has often just had girls with absolutely no experience debut almost immediately at age 11, 12, 13. They learn "on the job", as it were. Tbh, I kinda prefer it that way - you really get to see the members grow and improve over the years, from basically not having a clue to becoming much better singers and dancers. Not saying there's no impovement with Kpop idols, but they train so long and hard they're practically perfect when they debut. Also, as others have said, Korea and Japan expect different things when they hear "idol". In Japan singing and dancing ability is FAR less important than personality and character. There are incredibly popular idols who couldn't sing a note, even after years - for example, Michishige Sayumi. The first line of her graduation song after being a member of Morning Musume for 12 years was literally "I can't sing, but I'm cute!" If you're *kawaii* (cute) and *genki* (energetic, happy), that's often most important in being a Japanese idol. Also, she turns freaking *30* this year. You look her up and tell me that girl is 30! lol Of course, that's not to say that ALL Japanese idols are unskilled. There are plenty of great singers and dancers in Jpop (just a few examples from my favourites, Oda Sakura from Morning Musume, and Danbara Ruru and Takagi Sayuki from Juice=Juice are great singers, and MM's Ishida Ayumi and former MM member Sayashi Riho are great dancers), but it's just not as important. A group might have just a couple of really skilled singers and the rest average, but have other qualities like being cute or funny.

[@angienatoyn]

I personally love the concept of an idol in Japan. It's basically like a girl next door type of thing. Imperfection is intriguing. And growth is glorious.

[@billmitchell5465]

See, there's a reason why J-Pop never caught on beyond weebs, while K-Pop has become a worldwide thing. BTS filled the Rosebowl, no J-Pop act has ever achieved that.

[@lillieslollies]

hello haropro fan!!

[@vivianne434]

@@billmitchell5465 i saw some of japanese show the host said like japan idol dont need go overseas cuz why do you need go overseas when you can get a lot of money and fans in japan //sorry if rip english

[@jhrodriguez8603]

@@billmitchell5465 well, i'm army but BTS and all International kpop idols are copy of US artist, the style, music, etc, they lose the real kpop music, now they're like american singers and shows... Just they need better vocals, it's like japan idols are cute, kpop idols are visuals and american idols are good singers...

[@bangtan9606]

How did this video turn in to a Kpop vs. Jpop thing? I see people saying Jidols are unskilled and Kidols are plastic. Very rude of these people to assume and generalize many things. My K-Idols make me happy whether they focus on the camera or not. Your J-Idols make you happy whether they perform well or not. Don’t go attacking people because they like something else. These girls are coming from different music industries where things are very different and sometimes a bit similar(both are quite strict and if you tell me these J-Idols like AKB48 have more freedom in their musicality and image than kidols...we both know they don’t). Let’s appreciate these girls and see their efforts. They all have a dream let’s all root for them and please go support Miyu Takeuchi🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💜

[@grape4858]

ok this needs more likes

[@chris-id6vk]

compared to jidols, kidols are plastic? lol all the top acts in jpop are hella plastic, some even more so than kidols because kidols are trying to avoid scandals now

[@spoopyjhope]

@@chris-id6vk you literally missed the whole point

[@chris-id6vk]

​@@spoopyjhope I got the 'whole point' but I don't have to talk about it. Or else you technically missed the whole point too

[@uniGABB]

Kpop is gae

[@SerenaPro]

Someone should have warned them how different the idol industry is in Korea vs how it is in Japan.

[@benjaminlucau1027]

That's the thing. They were supposed to see that on the show so everything would seem "real". The japanese Idols were supposed to be suffering..

[@luanunes14]

And they all should be judged in both standarts

[@intreoo]

I actually feel really bad for them. They should've at least prepared a training course to prepare the Japanese idols for Produce 48; this was brutal. While I doubt Girl's Planet 999 is not rigged, I appreciate that the Japanese idols there are at least prepared.

[@claireshi7384]

the Main thing is pd 48 japanese trainees are all members of akb48, where they recieve different training and have different debut expectations compared to kpop idols. While the j group trainees in gp999 are just japanese trainees That are interested in becoming kpop idols. so they could be anybody. We have some trainees from kpop companies in jgroup (sakamoto mashiro - former JYP, nonaka shana - mld, sakamoto shihona - jellyfish), and some That have debuted in a kpop group (may). and i Also heard somewhere That some j group contestants are from famous academies in japan which Also impacts their skills and confidence

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@claireshi7384yes there were very few who were in other j groups as they wanted to be kpop idol

[@claireshi7384]

@@gwenmloveskpopandmore Yeah right. Produce 48 was really unfair, the Japanese trainees weren't prepared for Korean style training, and it's not their fault they weren't prepared.

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@claireshi7384 yeah and this was like 5 years ago and GP999 wouldn’t come til years later

[@gwenmloveskpopandmore]

@@claireshi7384 instead on GP999 they had to watch all the drama from everyone and everything that was Evil edited

[@AsukaEnergetic]

I feel ma Japanese ladies... Singing and dancing weren't really taught. K idols just are more skilled with their harsh training.... But I don't want ma ladies to become exactly like k idols 'cuz I love their songs too. More work in singing and dancing and that's all I need

[@Momosaurus]

AsukaEnergetic I feel like the girls will be able to learn some good basics to really improve their skills but still keep the fun energy we love

[@alexdhamp]

What gets me, though, is they didn't have to go to Korea to learn this, though...there's plenty of great trainers in Japan. Just look at the LDH groups and other "non-idol" groups like FEMM or Faky.

[@redfish337]

They are going to Korea to test the ground for J-pop style groups. They're in process of expanding to Philippines, Vietnam, India, Taiwan, Thailand and returning to China. This year was technically an international sousenkyo, though with JKT out of play it was relatively irrelevant. But expansion is the play now. Korea is a bit harder to crack though, so they're doing it this way. For 48 management, it'd probably be ideal if they can NOT be the most skilled, and still pull votes. That's what they'd probably most want to see cuz it'd probably mean they could just open up shop as normal. But in any case the results will give them some information and gives them some exposure in Korea that would be hard to get without this sort of setup.

[@purpleskullz3577]

Kpop is basically looks over talent if you don't have none they well make you have some.Yg and jyp dropped a lot of talented one's

[@alexdhamp]

Naruto The op father of boruto Well, that's because they seem to have this mentality that talent can be trained into the hopeful, would-be idol...at least, I always heard that was SM's way of doing things.

[@Zatch6060]

After reading all the comments below, you're forgetting that the 48 Group girls are self taught. OF COURSE, they aren't gonna be as good as the Korean trainees. But I think they have the SAME potential as the Korean trainees. Evidence @ 1:57

[@alexdhamp]

Chiba Erii's fancam certainly shows how much they're capable of improving.

[@niccolom4556]

Sure they will improve but they shouldnt get special treatment. The Korean trainees have been practicing for a long time and deserve to debut. The level of performance needs to be met, period. Performers in the music genre need to have a high level of singing and dancing no matter what.

[@kukuruchutensei5376]

Nobody is saying that they should get special treatment.

[@alexdhamp]

Mockavel Velli Everyone in Class F gets "special treatment", though...regardless of whether they're Japanese or Korean. They have much more to go to improve so need more training. Also, many of Japanese girls have been practicing for a long time, too...just not at the same level and on their own or under senpai's instructions. Starting to think this was a bad idea because of people like this...

[@gelay808]

Meh i dont think so lol same potential?

[@FOLIPE]

It has to do with the strategy the entertainment companies have in Japan and Korea. In Korea they are going for perfection in entertainment, while in Japan, AKB specifically, is trying to build a pseudo-personal relationship between idol and fan, and thus, technique is not as important. What matters is how involved the fan feels. As an analogy, imagine two retail companies, one, let's call it SKmarts, focuses on huge supermarkets that sell everything, but only has a few chains in every city. JPstores, on the other hand, focuses on small local stores, having one in every neighborhood, and building a local relation with the community. They look very different, and a naive person may think SKmarts' stores are more professional looking, bigger and more successful, but JPstores is intentionally going for that approachable "second home" feeling, and make no mistake, JPstores has a huge value as a corporation in the stock exchange. That small local image is nothing but a façade, a strategy to get customers to like it better and feel more attached to their brand.

[@nakqalzaki]

Great analogy.

[@user-pz4jn4jt2b]

Ohh, now I realized why BIGBANG is so big in Japan... BIGBANG loves to have fun on stage. Yes, they do have choreos but everytime they perform it's like they're connecting with the audience and at the same time they release a huge ball of energy that will surely entertain everyone. Kudos to these girls tho :>

[@Momosaurus]

I remember when Big Bang members saw girls generation live, there were amazed at how fun they had! Shows what matters is if you enjoy what you do as an idol and showcase that it will go a longgg way 😊

[@Niki91-HR]

Having great choreos is cool and it can be fun too BUT not the whole concert... the best concerts, regardless where you are from and what type of music you listen to , are those where the artists be it solo singers or groups have genuinely fun on stage and have great interactions with the audience even without all the special effects and what not.

[@lankyalpaca]

rewatching this while knowing it was rigged is so weird

[@snowragi]

i mean we all knew it was rigged tho lol, just not to what extent

[@snowragi]

@@emilyn3081 one of the producers admitted to manipulating the ranking for Produce 48 and Produce X 101. a contestant of Produce 101 also came out and said that some of the girls were well aware of the Pick Me choreography before it was revealed to the rest of them, tho nothing about manipulation in Produce 101 has been confirmed. there are articles online on the investigations that you can keep up with.

[@chelsea-tr5if]

Sophea Teng I believe one of the people who work for the Produce series also stated that during Produce 101, there was a company who paid to have 1 out of their 3 trainees that were sent to debut into the final line-up. I don’t know if this was confirm already but wasn’t really surprised about it.

[@snowragi]

@@chelsea-tr5if idk about that specifically, but it has been confirmed that there was manipulation of some kind in Produce 101 seasons 1 and 2. Mnet has also discontinued all VOD services for the Produce series, and have stated that IZ*ONE and X1 are currently on hold (with BLOOM*IZ being postponed). on a happier note, Produce 101 Japan has announced that they are working separately from the Korean Produce series, and stated they even have an outside lawyer working to ensure partiality.

[@Kan-ol7uj]

ella don’t say that and chaeyeon is the only one that gets too debut too

[@nuriindahsari5133]

can't they look into the unit judges? instead of blame them with such words, they're encouraging them by told "what is wrong and what is right". glad to know that they're improving and steal our hearts by their pure action and work harder

[@Raidanzoup]

In season 1 the strict dance teacher mentioned how many hours she had spent encouraging and teaching the trainees, but none of it was ever shown on the show, so she jokingly said she wondered why she even bothered. Mnet just want you to have a strong reaction to what you watch so they only focus on overblown drama.

[@issalalkordi5279]

Much much far away...seem the korean trainees more much ready for the battles..,i only can see sakura with full packaged in japanese teams..even jurina much more senior n the most popular but the korean trainees still much more make heart ponding....but jurina relly trying harder on stage to tackle the viewers....only a few from the japanesse trainees really for the war...hope the japanesse trainees really work hard with pure heart to win the challanges againts each others...i am not the hatters......i lve to see them...just give something really extreams on stage....,we lve to see something new n good luck....fighting..!....

[@biazacha]

If you watch ep 2 you can see they teaching the girls one by one and doing a great job... you're forgetting that they put hours and hours of evaluation + introductions on a single ep.

[@issalalkordi5279]

We will see who is the most likeble person n captured the viewers heart...we really understood about the show well...,even in my country have this type of show we call academy fantasia..,

[@tepuntopunto]

The unit is a program for already debuted, experienced and skilled enough idols. They dont need to be pushed because they already know what the business is and what they need to give to make it. You're comparing two different things and two different states in the life of a profesional.

[@gitapinastisumarna4483]

i love how japanese doesn't give up just like that. They just come to korea and forced to have the same level of dance and singing with korean trainee. I could see they sincerely for being an entertainer. And they efforts omg, even there's korean trainee that couldn't remember lyrics but japanese trainer kill it. And always love they stage presence.

[@SophiaChu]

Gita Pinasti Sumarna because japanese girls already have years of experience on the stage...

[@004kim]

J-idols care more about making their fans happy rather than being perfect.

[@andredrw289]

The standards and cultures between South Korea and Japan are sooooo different it’s like apples and oranges. I hope both can learn from each other

[@mikek1635]

Andre Drew As far as pop idols go, what can Korea learn from japan? Nothing. Korea already does the cute stuff on top awesome dancing and singing. Japan is far behind.

[@alexdhamp]

The very concept of what an "idol" is differs greatly, too.

[@andredrw289]

Kami Nana right?? Like I’m into a lot of Jpop outside of the anime related ones but to hear them say they focus more on being cute and loveable to fans without barely singing well or dancing is astounding to me for some reason

[@andredrw289]

Mike K I mean the language thing for starters

[@mikek1635]

Andre Drew What do you mean? They obviously speak different languages.

[@hlly20]

Japanese idols like AKB may nt be as skilled as Korean traineese but there is something in them that makes me want to cheer them on cause, really, I can see the potential. They just need more training and practice 👌

[@fikachoo5562]

Heina Lyllan r

[@strangehooman3972]

Heina Lyllan some years ago I wanted to become an idol just like the girls in AKB, they looked so happy, and then I discovered what happens in the backstage ._.

[@alexdhamp]

Strange Hooman That happens in entertainment industry everywhere, period...even in K-pop. "Casting couch" is universal...

[@firdanjulian8277]

Kpop was inspired by jpop+american pop in 2000s, but now kpop is more advanced than jpop, japan music is kinda stuck in 2000s, idk why..

[@purpleskullz3577]

Fds key word inspired by american pop aka following us (hard) japan idols isn't like that

[@Marisanrisa]

I wouldn't say it's culture difference. I think it's their concept to be lovable and have fun with fans. There are Japanese groups like E girls who focuses on dancing.

[@alexdhamp]

E-girls are artists, too, not idols. At least they're not considered idols. That said, AKB is the most common model for J-idols. The others are exceptions.

[@bunnyhop6911]

Kami Nana Would Exile be considered as idols or artists? Or SMAP, Hey Say Jump, Happiness...?

[@redfish337]

All the Johnny's groups are literally sorted as Johnny's. There are other boy groups but Johnny's dominated so much for so long that they often pull a shelf just for themselves. Others are sorted into J-pop. For girl groups, the LDH groups and Perfume (despite their idol roots) are sorted into J-pop. Almost everyone else is sorted into josei (female) idol groups. Unlike Johnny's, H!P lost their grip on the girl group scene. AKB showed it was profitable again in 2009 and there was a mass proliferation of groups. A few groups like Fairies, GEM(issues, now disbanded) and Tokyo Girls Style consider themselves as performance or dance/vocal units... but are still basically run as idol groups and so are still usually sorted into josei idol.

[@alexdhamp]

redfish337 Would AKB48 be considered Josei idol groups, then? Also, didn't know that Johnny's were sorted into their own category... lol Kinda makes sense, though, with how they're always held separately. XD

[@redfish337]

AKB is sorted into josei idol. But sometimes H!P and 46/48 get their own sections of the section if the store is big enough. Stardust can have one too.

[@spookyshark632]

Was the whole point of the show just to make the Japanese idols feel like shit? Why did they think this was a good idea?

[@redfish337]

The point of the show was to debut a group that would be popular in both Korea and Japan. Moreover, K-pop is it's own niche in Japan and no K-pop group has managed to tap into the J-idol market of fans. Korea's MNET had the ulterior motive of gaining money from producing a show. Japan's AKS had the ulterior motive of promoting Japanese style idols internationally as they made a strong push into southeast and south Asia. However, since MNET was basically responsible for the show portion, the show's producers got greedy and leaned it in a way that would immediately favor their company, and even simply just their own pockets through illegal manipulation. So, no, I don't think that was the point. That's just what it became due to mismanagement- a failed opportunity.

[@applebee39]

@@redfish337 can you define what you mean by “no kpop idols have tapped into the j market?” Numerous k idols have gained extreme popularity and commercial success there. Boa, Kara, SNSD, TVXQ, SHINee, 2PM just to name a few. They’ve topped charts even when competing against top Japanese groups. And by no means, am I trying to push the generalization of k idols > j idols. And I pretty much agree with the rest of your points, I’m just confused over this one point in your argument.

[@redfish337]

@@applebee39 You omitted the key word. Idol. "J-idol market of fans" not " j market" Idol means something different in Japan, and even more for the girl groups from around 2008. It's often literally sorted out in stores as a niche fandom, same as K-pop. K-pop fandom in Japan isn't the same as the J-idol fandom in Japan. K-pop fandom has a core group of young girls. J-idol fandom in Japan has a core groups of 30+ guys. There are other fans of course- the stereotype is an exaggeration but it's still rooted in reality. If a new K-pop groups debuts in Japan it is NOT competing against Nogizaka46 or AKB48 or Momoiroclover Z or BiSH. It is mostly competing against other K-pop groups, and maybe to some extent Avex groups or LDH and such. Momoclo isn't afraid of competition from a new K-pop group because the fandom overlap is almost nothing. This show actually took J-idols who already had J-idol fans. It had a chance to tap into that fandom in Japan- get actual J-idol fans to follow their group. And it more or less failed. It was just another K-pop group taking money from K-pop fans in Japan.

[@applebee39]

@@redfish337 I see what you mean now! So then would JYP’s NiziU be considered in that category? I’ve heard their debut song was extremely well received by the public. However, I’m not sure if that is limited to kpop fans in Japan.

[@redfish337]

@@applebee39 My opinion, is no. For now anyway. NiziU hits the regular J-pop market a bit better- if they can keep it up they would basically just end up as J-pop despite the K-pop flavor so long as they stick to focusing on Japan with Japanese songs. My impression is their stuff would get sorted into J-pop in stores but like most of us, I'm locked out of the country now so can't actually say one way or the other. So it's not just in the K-pop niche. But it doesn't actually try for the J-idol niche. While I don't know if it gets the K-pop or J-pop designation, I highly doubt it would get sorted into J-idol. They do seem to be fading quite a bit though so I'm concerned they might not have been able to develop loyal fans in the age of covid. We'll see how the next big release goes. I know many of the most popular groups don't often actually appear at TIF but AKB and it's associated groups do. I kind of think any major group that isn't obviously J-idol needs to appear there or something similar to show that they are serious about promoting to that demographic. IZ*ONE actually did... but as far as I know, only in 2020 when it had to be online. And it was like a 10 minute performance rather than a serious setlist. Too little, too late- it was after their scandal and shortly before disbanding. I don't know if they had planned to do so in 2019, but it would have run into their scandal anyway. Again, some idol groups are known to be under known J-idol companies and do their own thing. But for everyone else, appearances at stuff like TIF or Jam Expo or Sekigahara or the other biggest festivals shows that the J-idol fandom is at least part of your desired demographic.

[@stanloon4]

I DIED WHEN U ADDED THE WII BGS

[@damicouldyoujuststeponme9471]

ur not the only one that died, hope you have a comfy coffin

[@armandiicyclamen9549]

Is nobody gonna talk about that last line of the video ? JYP let go of another talented trainee XD I'm screaming

[@tiasm919]

tuan nguyen so am i XD

[@MrMo0nlight]

So many former JYP trainees have gone on to successful careers. If JYP had actually used them and made them into groups then the company's resources would be stretched thin and the quality would likely suffer. It's better for many of them that they left. If anything, the statement is a compliment to JYP's eye for talent and training system.

[@onthescene7897]

@@MrMo0nlight The only one JYP regret letting go is IU, the rest is for the good of both JYP and the trainees. But seriously, IU is a such a loss to JYP, wtf did they even do.

[@cc-co3gk]

Doggy the Doge JYP constantly beats himself up when he sees IU being successful 😂😂

[@AlexBsSecret]

when the audition hype on TV in Korea started years ago, BoA was a main judge and everyone said she's the most helpful and fair judge among the big 3, but SM never recruits trainees from these kind of shows, prefering to chose kids from their own auditions or headhunt them (SM has undisputeably the best all-rounded training system in Korea, but also the hardest because there's thousands of kids who want in). It's a pity BoA couldn't help get some of the kids into SM. Just think how much support Park Ji Min and Lee Hi would have gotten there, getting the chance to promote and put out music regularly instead of rotting away. I mean even less-known SM artists like Luna, Zhoumi, the TRAX, Dana, J-min release music and get station videos and perform at concerts or even music shows.

[@overtiredcuh]

They say Bae Yoon Jung is scary? *gurl you haven't seen Jessi yet*

[@MsSKim1]

Raven Takuo yess😂😂

[@stanpentagonandx1663]

yEs

[@honetlyreal]

yo Jessi is nice but look intimidating watch Sister's Slam Dunk

[@SinisterApple_]

Petition for Jessi as a rap trainer for season 5

[@stanpentagonandx1663]

@@SinisterApple_ yes

[@佐竹春香-w6g]

こんなにたくさんの人に日本のアイドル達が頑張っている姿を見てもらえてなんだか嬉しい♡

[@이하라4848]

Sometimes I think the reason why Jurina left PD48 is because she kinda knew that the result is already decided. She doesn't really like having something she didn't worked hard for.

[@garibi1407]

일본은 팬들을 행복하게 해주는게 중요하고 한국은 퍼포먼스위주라고?? 한국은 둘다 챙겨요. 애초에 아이돌이라는게 그런거 아닌가. 영어 댓글보니 일본 연습생 말보고 진짜 그 차인줄 아는거 같은데 한국 아이돌 무대를 제대로 본적이나 있는지

[@누-w7d]

ㅇㅈ 그리고 팬들 행복하게 해주면 뭐함 여성인권의식 낮은 개저씨나 돼지새끼들이 성희롱하는게 현실인데

[@a0531210]

ㅇㅈ 한국아이돌들은 퍼포먼스만하고 우러러 존경만받는존재인줄아나 ㅋㅋㅋ 그냥 노력해서 둘다하는거지...

[@gracethespace6186]

wut da f..

[@user-lq3mx5wm1q]

저 지금 이거 한줄정도 읽고 좋아요누르려 고 했는덱....200개라서 못누르겠어여... 근데 몇줄 더 읽고나니깐..저절로 좋아요를 누르게되네..이거뭐지... 혹시 읽으면 좋아요누르게 되는 마법걸어놨나여?....크흠

[@미녕-k4p]

인정 아파서 실신해도 팬들 위해서 무대서고 팬싸에서도 진짜 쉼없이 계속 웃고 그러면서 문화차이 이러는거 웃김 걍 지들이 못하는거면서 열심히 출 생각도 없는거같고ㅋㅋ

[@lusayacassandragracem.8059]

This vid makes me want to watch produce 48 even more

[@mikanlin]

Cassandra Lusaya I was in the middle of this video when I stopped and decided to watch Produce 48. Now I'm updated, I cam back to finish the vid. 🤣

[@linaslifex]

Then watch it

[@lusayacassandragracem.8059]

jjjchisoo i will. When the show ends and when there would be complete subs

[@AnneClaudeBaran]

+Cassandra Lusaya But you will already know the final lineup... It's worse cause you will get attached to some contestants, knowing that they will not debut.

[@lusayacassandragracem.8059]

anne-claude Baran it's actually fine, I've been through it since produce 101 season 1 and 2

[@Loey_sJem]

It's actually so unfair... I was an AKB48 fan during the early generations and from what I remember, they barely had training before debuting. On the other hand, most kpop idols were trainees since they were young and undergo brutal training. You really can't compare :/

[@ericsohn5084]

AKB already been active in real entertainment for years while Korean trainees are just trainees. Even with the consideration, the standard is just too far off, its crazy.

[@lue-rjeatumpalan1363]

I hope both fans of Jpop and Kpop will be kind enough to realize the culture difference and hoped the 48 girls and ktrainees will benefit of each other's strengths 😊.

[@rkhandle]

Lue-Rjea Tumpalan true. Korean singers have a thing or two to learn about Japanese facial expressions

[@Ash2theB]

R Kim I don’t know about that. Me and friends were talking about how many japanese dancers/artist/idol artist tend to smile more especially during hip hop/rnb performance or dance breaks and how off putting it was. We tended like gravity to Kpop because the facial expression were more versatile.We like it when girl gave more attitude in their performances from aegyo/kawaii to edgy. When it came to jpop I tended to gravitate toward E-girls, Morning Museum, Perfume, faky and etc. Many older girls edgy jpop groups (like Dream and BRIGHT) pretty much fell out popularity for more cuter images like akb48. But everyone has their own opinions. I think when e-girls debuted I was so excited that jpop was getting back it’s edgy attitude.

[@alexdhamp]

Ash2theB Wut? Even AKB48(with all their ultra "kawaiiness") have different expressions depending on the kind of song they're doing...just look at "UZA", "Juujun na Slave", or "Bokutachi wa Tatakawanai"(which actually has fighting scenes) and songs with similar fierce moods.

[@rkhandle]

When AKB48 singers perform, it really looks like they are having fun. It makes sense if you think about it since they are trained to focus on that aspect of performance. Of course, some Kpop singers are good at that too (like Kim Doyeon from Weki Meki, Yerin from Gfriend, or Kang Mina from Gugudan), but you can defn tell there is a difference. I'm not saying that's better... just that kpop singers can learn from that.

[@lovechronicle1682]

Is it only me who thinks those Japanese trainees are naturally cute and seems like enjoying the survival show while Korean trainees look so serious and nervous

[@mrmkrocker]

sebinnocent the Japanese trainees are already pros while the korean trainees are desperate to debut. Some kpop idols train for 10 years before debuting.

[@bronymon08]

@@mrmkrocker pros but their vocal and dance skills are mediocre if you ask me. Pro=/= actual technical stage skill

[@davidbig8661]

Japanese have home they can go back. But korean have their real home..

[@mrmkrocker]

@@bronymon08 That wasn't my point. I explained why the Japanese appeared to be enjoying themselves more than the Korean contestants.

[@pinkeupanda6265]

mkunited Korean trainees are very desperate to debut, while Japanese trainees are already debuted and can still go back to akb48 after the show. thats why koreans look more nervous than japanese

[@amytruong7801]

Im so sad! Of course i root for them and im here to watch them improve BUT they do deserve SOME credit for actually enjoying themselves on stage and caring about the happiness of the fans. I think the Korean trainees can learn from the Japanese trainees and vice versa. I hate seeing the Japanese trainees so down when they are just lacking in some things :((

[@irenemap4368]

Amy Truong what do you mean lol caring and tending to fans is literally the first priporty of every kpop idol?

[@amytruong7801]

Lolid Overlord - It is, I'm not saying its not. But through the audition process, the trainees are being judged on their singing and dancing skills rather than how much they actually enjoy performing. Which I know is how auditions are suppose to go but it's sad watching the Japanese trainees feel like they aren't worth anything.

[@termoscoffee251]

errr go watch Bigbang concerts

[@leechrec]

You can't underestimate J-idols because they are also used to being thrown into difficult situations without long preparation. They are faced with obstacles very early in their careers and are equally capable when push comes to shove.

[@itsot12]

Can you give an example of the difficult situations/obstacles?

[@NihilistAlien]

​@@itsot12 none, they are just marketable fake singers.

[@itsot12]

@@NihilistAlien...? what does that have to do with undergoing difficult situations

[@miadavis4837]

@@itsot12 This is an old comment but, as the J-Idols explained a little during the show, they are brought into groups with little to no training and then have to sink or swim on their own. No one teaches them anything other than maybe some of the older idols in their group. Then, after about a month, they're thrown up on stage to perform every night. Some of them are naturals and become successful right away (like Sakura) and some have a difficult time getting noticed even if they do have some talent (like Miyu). I don't think that AKB ever kicks anyone out after accepting them unless they do something wrong but that just means that some of the members languish in the background for years without ever becoming popular. Of course they can leave any time they want but still, if it was was your dream it'd probably be hard to give it up and just as hard to keep going like Miyu did. AKB also has a general election (which I think was the inspiration for Produce 101, if you look up 'AKB general election' you'll see what I mean) every single year where all of the members in all of the groups are ranked according to popularity. The most popular members form the 'senbatsu' and appear in one of the upcoming music videos. The election was so famous that they used to actually broadcast it every year with commentary. Imagine being someone like Jurina who got accepted into the group at 11 years old and was specifically positioned as the 'rival' to the most popular member at the time (Maeda Atsuko AKA Acchan). She got a crazy amount of hate from Acchan fans and was always compared to her, all while she was still in Elementary school.

[@imthecoolest50]

AKB is just different field of idol industry, idols who are just there for people to admire and confide in. Japan has the 2nd biggest music industry in the world, how stupid do you have to be to think AKB groups are the best they can offer? Japan does hip hop, rock, and everything else. All the Japanese K-pop idols are so much better at dancing, didn’t your narrow minds notice that? Now we have XG. You’re all assuming sht about these Japanese trainees just because you’ve only been exposed to K-pop. Japan never needed to go global like K-pop because they sustain themselves well, meanwhile K-pop fanbase is filled with international fans consuming content illegally and leeching off K-pop’s hard-work. But that’s the best fanbase K-pop can get so they settle with it. Either way, XG is showing what Japanese girls can really do, as if Japanese K-pop idols haven’t shown enough. Korean trainees can only dream and cry about perfecting their skills to the same level.

[@marianax03]

“Let’s go back to japan” me when I feel uncomfortable at school

[@rosepeniel5688]

Japanese trainees shouldnt feel bad for this. I know they can do better. Its not always the talent that counts, or how good you sing or dance. It's how you influence the people as an Idol. Imho, some koreans look so boring even if they perform well enough and talent-wise.

[@imports4lifetoyotalexus98]

Rose Peniel Baracheta what are you talking anout? Korean fans vote for Somi when she cant sing, dance and dance ot talent and she still wins KPop. It is ashame that other idol are more talented that can sing and dance better than Somi flower snake but she still wins and debut in a girl group. I hope Somi get severe injury that prevented her to debut any girl group at all. I pray it obhappen in 2018. I like Japanese better because Korean always copy from Japanese concepts and take it as their own.

[@rosepeniel5688]

WRXIMPREZARED2018 SUBARU i dont get your point dear. And i am not talking about Somi i dont even know who she is. If my comment is not clear to you, i am supporting japanese trainees here because they obviously feels a little bit nervous about other talented trainees. They need not to compare theirselves from others because they are unique in their own way

[@sabrina16477]

WRXIMPREZARED2018 SUBARU That is bullshit lmao. First season, international fans could vote. If it wasn't for the fact that she was already famous she wouldn't have standed a goddamn chance since she is mixed.

[@sabrina16477]

WRXIMPREZARED2018 SUBARU Also, praying that she'll have an injury?? The fuck is wrong with you???? You sick minded get yourself some help

[@sabrina16477]

윤현우 I don't think he/she will understand what you are saying!^^

[@OrbitOnceAround]

Now I know half the Japanese contestants in an instant compared to 2 weeks ago when I only knew Sakura, Jurina and Miyu.

[@berlista3415]

Same xd

[@ruriva4931]

Idk if it’s like this for the entire show but compared to how Kpop idols normally behaved you can really see how comfortable the AKB members are with just joking around and chatting in this video

[@Zeighla]

You can't blame K Idols. Korean netizens are a little...insane

[@ruriva4931]

@@Zeighla that’s true but the idol industry in Japan is a unique brand of crazy

[@Zeighla]

@@ruriva4931 TRUE!

[@dhflwhfl]

뭔 쟤네가 문화충격이여 우리가 문화충격이지... 세계 그 어느 국가도 받아들일 수 없는 문화....

[@gwajadanji]

문지현 거짓말은 하지 말죠. 제이팝 팬들도 세계적으로 있을텐데. 본인 생각이 모든 사람의 생각은 아니예요. 물타기식으로 몰아가지 마세요.

[@고구마맛줄]

@@gwajadanji 저게 무슨 제이팝이예요 제이팝 모욕ㄴㄴ

[@고구마맛줄]

@@gwajadanji 등신오타쿠 모임이지

[@jalesswa5032]

저건 애들 재롱잔치지 뭐가 jpop이냐ㅋㅋㅋ

[@Mr_Chuu_astronaut]

ㄹㅇ맞음

[@yoyou3264]

AWWW THEY’RE SO SUPPORTIVE, I LIKE THAT ABOUT THE JAPANESE TRAIN, ALWAY SO SUPPORTIVE OF OTHERS LOL 😂

[@Momosaurus]

“Let’s get an f together then” my fav moment honestly 😂😂😂

[@yoyou3264]

Nick Jodlowski that would be me if I join the show lol

[@r.barvitz5929]

Aw they're so cute and relatable J-idols always have such a genuine feeling to them If anyone was wondering, yes most idols in Japan are taught to be interactive rather than talented to build a relationship with their fans, but that doesn't mean there aren't j-idols who are taught to be talented. There are many J-idols who learn to sing and dance more expertly, specifically the boys.

[@yamaryo2062]

Yes..they just being their self and let their charm draw more fans😊 Maybe they are not the best at dancing & singing but their charm make us as fan want to know them better & support them😊 They have the talent to draw people to love them

[@zukitosama298]

@@yxnotmin9814 Why so salty? Lmfao.

[@tis_but_a_name3745]

@@yxnotmin9814 I um..? What? It's the exact opposite. The only kpop group I can think of that truly, 100% represents who they really are even on camera is Super Junior. And that's because they geniunely don't give a fuck about their reputation. I'm not saying this to bad mouth them btw, I think it's great and they're hilarious. But they're some of the only ones. Korea is strict af and even the smallest "mistakes" kpop idols make can turn into huge scandals, so there's a geniune reason to why most don't show their true selves on camera. But think about it for a second, do you really think every kpop group out there is 100% honest with their fans? Of course not. The only ones who have that luxury are 2nd generation idols. Current generations are fucked, even at the top level. Even cursing is seen as bad, but idols at the very top can at least get away with that. I'm guessing you mostly follow old groups/very popular groups, because cussing each other out is VERY rare. Super Junior are again the only ones who do it so much that you can call them honest. But holy fuck, expressing frustration on camera WITHOUT A CARE? Are we even talking about the same industry? It took Twice, the current no.1 girlgroup in Korea, so fucking long to start talking about their long hours and being honest about how stressful their job is. And even then, they still try to sugarcoat it, because some fans will bash them for "not understanding their privilege", or any other honestly stupid reason. They've been humble for years, but the moment they express even a bit of discontent, they get hated on. And obviously, Twice aren't the only ones. Joy got hated on for joking about not getting an award for her first acting gig. Got7's Jackson was mocked for years by Koreans for his energetic persona, so he changed his persona to a snobbish producer who never fucking smiles. They don't even complain when the hate is stupid. They just take it, and sometimes even change themselves to fit whatever Korea wants. Some don't, sure, but the vast majority do. And dude, one more thing. The "goody-two-shoe/girl next door (boy next door) or straight out babyish" persona that you accused ONLY Jpop idols of having? That's the most fucking common Kpop persona out there. I love Twice, but if you watch reality shows with them (or honestly reality TV shows with most groups) they'll use either one of these two persona : either the "goody-two-shoe/girl next door" type, or the baby-ish type, that does aegyo every two seconds. It's a defense mechanism, I get it. The reality shows get featured on TV and they don't want to show a non-Korean society approved persona to a nationwide audience, I get it. BUT THESE ARE STILL SUPER OVERUSED TROPES IN KPOP. They use it, and they protect themselves from criticism. AND SO DO JPOP IDOLS. So really, what I have to say is, I don't think you've spent enough time in either industry to judge. You accuse jpop idols of using 2D personas while not realising that most kpop idols do that too. And honestly? Jpop idols do comedy better. Aqours' sexy teacher sketch is still one of the best things on the internet. That's just my personal taste though.

[@NLTops]

This is directed at the responders in this thread, not the OP. Never knew there was such a battle between jpop and kpop fans. Can't you just enjoy what you like without tearing down things other people like? Seriously you're like the Mac vs PC commercials. I'm not that deep into idols but I just enjoy many kinds of music. You should just enjoy what you enjoy. You gain nothing from looking down on others.

[@tis_but_a_name3745]

@@NLTops "You gain nothing from looking down on others.".... Which is, ironically, exactly what you're doing right now. White knight-ing the situation while keeping yourself at a distance to not be grouped into either camp. Gg, you played yourself.

[@cutiewoogi]

*“Whatever, let's all go for an F”* That friendship right there, i love it😂

[@fantasy1714]

Guys dont forget this only for akb girls this isnt the entire jpop

[@madina4311]

Jhen Lam except for LDH. Exile, E-Girl, Flower, Happiness etc have strict training period like korean

[@Ash2theB]

It depends on the company. Avex has probably the strictest training systems in Japan. That’s why all the top Kpop companies usually partner with them.

[@KizunaCare]

Ash2theB Avex is a famous record label, that's why the kpop companies partner with them, it's a shorter way to spread their name plus leverage on all the existing facilities they have. I doubt it's the training systems since Avex has many artists under their record label whereby they don't control their training.

[@redfish337]

Avex has money. They can afford to have a farm system . And they can afford to have a separate idol label. That's why they also have Super Girls, Cheeky Parade, GEM (disbanded), and Wasuta. Which are all run as lower upper/upper mid-tier idol groups. Super Girls was formed by a super-wide 7000 person audition, membership decided June 2010, first live August 7th, 2010.... 1-2 month turnaround. I think the other 3 groups were formed out of their farm system though. 48 groups can just give an old stage to any newly formed group. So the creative part that would normally slow a new group just isn't there. The material already exists. Once the girls are signed and learn enough material to start performing they start performing. And... most other groups have indie roots. They have no capital... they can't afford to bleed money. They just need to get them out there ASAP.

[@baekhyunsahwooh3483]

Madina Mustikamaya how did they train? been liking all the groups you just mentioned since last 5 months but can't find any info

[@elianadeshli5963]

Mmm I watched all evaluation videos and girls from both sides were good/bad, out of tempo, with the cracking vocals and making mistakes. Don't believe everything Mnet is feeding you. Boths sides have talented idols and the ones, who will hopefully improve with the help of this show

[@harinmin4095]

Eliana Deshli yeah mnet always do evil editing. They makes japanese idol look like a shit and all they do is crying. But some of the japanese idol is really good. And they put too much screen time for sakura. I know sakura is good but japanese idol have more. I hope the japanese idol other than sakura got more screen time.

[@alexdhamp]

Harin Min Yeah. Like Takeuchi Miyu.

[@youngjin3807]

where can I watch the evaluation videos?

[@infinacity]

Did anyone in the comment section watched the show ?? The hate towards the k idols in the comment section are unbelievable. It was not only akb members that struggled, surprise the k trainees did too specially during the japanese verse of nekoya while akb idols are slaying it. Watch the show and watch all of them improve. I came for the k trainees but i ended up rooting for the japanese trainees as i see them really trying their best to improve. Scenes of k and j trainees helping each other makes me really happy too.

[@ahmadfadelyusuf4003]

Hahha k trainees nekkoya ? Even eunbi cannot sing a single line hhahah why ? Because she didnt try harder than akb48girls. Stop with we 48group fans bashing k idols when u as kfans always saying 48group idol inferior

[@barrierosen3673]

Actually, the friendships between the Japanese and Korean trainees that we watched develop over the course of the show was one of my favorite things. Both groups grew and improved. Watching the Japanese girls work their butts off to improve, with the help of their Korean team mates warmed my cold cynical heart. :) I really felt like those girls were reaching across every barrier to support each other and be the best they could be. It was delightful.

[@jamie-vm6dr]

InFi _ the k trainees struggled with the japanese lyrics, big deal. the j trainees had to completely flip around their lifelong ideal of “idol” into someone who wasn’t just an entertainer but a singer, dancer, rapper, everything.

[@dididogster9994]

I mean if someone can give me the link??

[@no-ku6jp]

@@jamie-vm6dr as the person above said, korean trainees have been training for years just for moments and opportunities like these despite the fact that more than half of them won't get to debut, ever. the japanese trainees are not the only ones getting critiqued. everyone struggled.

[@amerie__]

when the lady said they would never be able to perform on a stage, i laughed. they’ve been performing on stages for years🤡

[@IO-hh3gw]

Friend: I think I'm getting an F Me: Whatever. Lets all go for F Idc if I got an F as long as my friend is with me!

[@moon-lo8ic]

"Were in this together pal"

[@Andrea-rz4ty]

The 48 girls are too precious to be in a show like this one, seeing the girls crying because their told that they don't belong on a stage or whatever truly breaks my heart. I mean idols in Japan and Idols in Korea are two completely different things. I love Japanese idols because they are close to their fans, I love seeing young girls being lovable and cute improve over the years it make me really proud of them, this is not something I can feel with Korean groups. They will never reach the same level as the Korean trainees because their goal is not to be badass dance machine but to be able to make people smile and forget every bad feeling they can have at the moment.

[@alexdhamp]

Exactly!

[@jellyfishwithwifi6870]

True. It’s a shame that they (to me) are just as talented as K-Idols, and yet they are seen as unworthy or unsatisfactory

[@owwsas]

Take a positive side, after this show theyre got some precious moment, learn how to improve their sing and dance skill for their performance, also got a lot of korean friends and fans

[@ds-lb6ms]

when I first heard about produce 48, I thought it would probably be bad and too much drama for me to handle and so didn’t really wanna watch it. I think in general the reason why I didn’t start is because of I recently watched Produce 101 China which the same concept here but taking place in China. i loved all the girls but what set me off was one during a relay race, one of the girls fell and got injured but the other girls just ran past her and were only focusing on winning. some of the girls on there were too ignorant and shallow for me and so I stopped watching all together. I had my doubts about this show but seeing AKB girls on here kinda makes me want to start watching it because of how genuine they are. god I don’t know anymore, I need help. they just so adorable and I relate to them so much.

[@_Betelgeuse_.]

Aah....I remember that on PD101 China. When the girl fell,nobody help and Tao got mad.

[@ds-lb6ms]

cx533 Wow you must be fun at parties. yeah I fucking know it’s a competition but you at least have to have some fucking human decency to check someone if they fell or injured. go fucking see the clip your goddamn self and hear what the mentor says to them because I’m currently not in the mood to rant

[@ds-lb6ms]

that bitch deleted they're comment, not surprised

[@PongoXBongo]

That's what I liked about Sixteen as well. So much of being an idol is being a part of a group, being a team player, caring for your members, leading by example, etc. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, so reinforce it before it breaks. ;)

[@YG-nm1ts]

celine They did it on purpose. Someone working there said after the girl fell the camera crew told the other girls to not help her.

[@子-w1s]

やっぱりアイドルってキラキラしててアイドルの笑顔でファンが幸せになれる。アイドルってそんなイメージ。推しの子観てて思った

[@mingdliu4626]

The company chose to enter a korean entertainment show, this is expected. But the girls are clearly not well informed or mentally well prepared, that's the only unfair point I see.

[@kyokugo6460]

Companies, NMB48 wasn't under the same company as the other 48G

[@ekasaja1405]

From season 1 i know its really not fair for them. Just see it if korean trainer on japan trainer position, cant dance but must go to figt with them who can dance well.

[@essbachiller25]

They're so cute. That girl in green is super pretty.

[@dinishahirah987]

Is it just me feeling all motivated to study even harder through this show? Hahahahha

[@biterry123]

i wish nothing but happiness and good life for these Japanese trainee/idol. Cant imagine how does it feel to be so discourage after training for so much time or enduring hard times. They deserve to be happy 😁😁

[@XoAngelFanyXo]

“Lets go back to Japan” me when I’m faced with a minor inconvenience

[@SashaWhaleFluffy]

Yo guys stop this fight between Jpop idols and Kpop idols. We get the point that both countries have different standards. But have you ever thought about just enjoying, loving, whatever you like? Scrub all the random comparisons, just like what you like, and enjoy it. I fairly love both.

[@Gfriend_Buddy99]

5:00 you guys can literally see the tear that flow down her neck.. How hurt must it be for them...

[@peachiemin9169]

produce 48 really feels like a rollercoster of emotions and stories, that you'll literally want to rewatch it a thousand times. for me, this is the best season of produce 💖

[@randysatrya]

Dont be perfect, perfect is a dark place. Its a place of loneliness and full of depression... (Edit : this comment was made after I read Go Hara suicide news. Its not about K-Pop vs J-Pop.)

[@el6700]

Randy Satria that’s some edgy shit right there

[@kozuta8858]

@@el6700 xd

[@vladimirtschavosky9411]

And also boring.

[@yummychips_]

i felt that

[@musicfriendly12]

@@el6700 but it's true... When you want to be the best and want people to see you as the best you become alone, and you become obsessed... Being average is alright, being good is very good, being the best is bad...

[@토끼몰랑이-w5c]

애초에 무대에서 노래부르고 춤추는게직업인 아이돌이 노래나춤을못해도된다는게 이상함 일본연습생들도 한국에서 배우고 연습해서 퍼포먼스 충분히 잘해낼수있는걸 보면 재능없는애들도아닌데 소속사가 애들관리를 아예안하고 악수회같은걸로 돈벌고 상품화시키기만바쁘고 보컬안무 안가르치고 아이돌은 이런거못해도팬들 즐겁게하는문화라고 가르친게 잘못인듯

[@루디빵]

일본 아이돌 문화를 옹호하는건 아니지만.... 일본 대중은 완벽하면 싫어해요. 이유도 우리식으로 표현하면 다잘해서 정이 안간다? 이런 느낌;; 물론 요즘 일본 젊은층은 k아이돌을 좋아하는 경우가 더 많죠. 예로 드라마 마더에 나왔던 아역이 연기천재라고 인기 얻고 예능 나와도 어른들 말을 잘 받아치고, 여기저기 부르는데 많아지면서 티비에 자주보이고 나서 어땠는지 아세요? 비호감 연예인 2위에 올랐어요. 이유가 애같지 않아서 ㅎㅎ 아직 어린 애한테 그렇게 말해요. 일본 문화가 그래요. 어설프지만 열심히 꿋꿋하게 밝은 그런 이미지를 좋아하죠. 저 친구들도 그런 환경서 커왔고, 특히나 애같은 이미질 소비시키는 akb라서... 우리나라처럼 소속사가 전문 트레이닝을 하는 것도 아니구요. 그룹에 들어가면 선배가 후배를 가르쳐주는...마치 학교 동아리 들어갔을때 선배가 가르치는 그런거죠. 전문적으로 배울려면 본인이 스케쥴짬내고 본인돈들여서 보컬학원 댄스학원 다녀야 되죠. 저 친구들도 익숙해져 버려서 당연하게 생각하는거죠. 개인적으로 안타까울뿐이죠.

[@mooon_dae]

애초에 즐겁다는 걸 보여주는 게 일이라고 하잖아요 외적인게 다인거임 춤노래에 비중을 두는 게 아니라...

[@t_r_kj]

@@루디빵 완벽한 걸 싫어한다고요? 과연 자격지심과 열폭의 나라

[@다욧기록무뚱]

우리도 보아님 어릴때 미워했잖아요. 물론 저는 아니었지만 그때 시대가 보아님이 너무 잘하고 완벽하고 아이같지않아서 다들 미워하규 루머생성하고 그랬었어요.. 옛날 우리느낌 립싱크로 해도 즐기는

[@shinwoo2]

모닝구무스메가 첫발을 그렇게 내딛어서 그럼 오디션 떨어진애들 모아다가 일본식아이돌 운영햇더니 인기가 폭발을 해버려서

[@anb00]

댓글들 웃기네 ㅋㅋ 누가보면 진짜 한국아이돌들이 완벽하기만 해야되고, 웃음 재미 부분은 일본아이돌이 뛰어난 거 같이 얘기하는데, 무슨 술집에서 고객 상대하는 접대부처럼 하거나 방송에서 머리 처맞고 이상한 가학적인 행위를 당해도 웃기만 해야되는게 즐겁고 웃기게 해주는 거라면(= 일본아이돌이 주로 하는 것), 그건 너의 생각이 잘못 된 거라고 생각함. 그리고 한국에서 연예인 하려면 저기 보이는 정도의 실력은 기본적으로 갖춰야 하면서도, 거기에 더해서 재미와 쇼맨쉽까지 갖춰야 됨. 왜냐하면 모든 가수 지망생들이 저 정도 능력을 가지고 있으니까. 그들보다 더 뛰어나지 않으면 가수되기 힘드니까. 에초에 한국에선 어느 분야에서 돈을 벌고 싶으면 기본적으로 저 정도 노력은 해야 되는 게 당연한 나라임. 아니 그리고 무슨 돈 벌어먹는 '아이돌'이 할 줄 아는게 남 웃기는거나 즐겁게 해주는 거 뿐이면 세상에 돈을 얼마나 쉽게 벌고 있는 거야? 그리고 애초에 한국은 저런 연습생들조차도 완벽하다고 여기지 않는다. professional 이라고 불릴려면 적어도 미국 메이저 pop singer들 정도 수준은 되야 이제 좀 잘하네 하고 인정받지. 서양도 그렇고 다른 나라는 저 정도(한국 연습생들 같은) 노력도 안 하면, 다들 인생을 얼마나 쉽게 살고 있는거임? 한국이 달리 'country of overspec' 인게 아니었군

[@user-pz1ye6vo1f]

그니깐 ㅋㅋㅋ 그래도 확실히 블핑이후로 여팬 모으려고 걸크러쉬가 대세긴해도 아이즈원이나 오마이걸처럼 귀여운컨셉도 얼마나 많은데 ㅡㅡ

[@t_r_kj]

아 속시원합니다 별 이상한 일본빠들이 넘쳐나서;;

[@thankuoh6652]

제말이 그말입니다. 아니 뭐 노래도 잘하고 춤 잘춘다고 팬들이랑 거리가 멀고 엔터테이너가 아나냐고... 일본 아이돌이 추구하는거 당연히 한국아이돌도 하는거임. 기본전제가 노래랑 춤일뿐 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@star_parfait]

이 말 그대로 영어로 써줄 사람 없나ㅠ

[@학이학학]

@@star_parfait 이말 그대로 번역해서 올렸어욥!

[@shunuuu]

It's hard when you're suddenly questioning yourself on something you've been doing and probably loved doing for years now.

[@KaylahH]

"jurina is the japanese version of Kahi" OMG YES

[@seritonintv]

케일라Kaylah ngl I was disappointed when she just left the show though

[@laviender]

Yess!!

[@thedinosaurkidharun6533]

@@seritonintv it couldnt be help, I heard she had health issues?

[@lorenzoalfredo6923]

@@thedinosaurkidharun6533 rumour says she was pulled from the show cuz she's one of the remaining ace members in 48Group that need to lead the group since most of the ace already graduated and the remaining beside jurina already left to pd48. Also the same reason to Tanaka Miku, she's one of HKT ace and she was pulled from the show cuz Sakura and nako is getting popular in pd48, making it imposibble for the HKT management to pull them. Sorry for my bad English

[@williammeran1348]

@@lorenzoalfredo6923 well thats the thing honestly im fine with izone having a 2 year contract because As a fan of akb48 first gen to idk when did i stop Most of them already left the kami7(the legends)already graduated and only sakura and jurina(forgot the others and i only mentioned the akb48 members whos in pd48) are the only ones that is left in the akb48 group that has been with the kami7 and is also an ace.

[@samosas]

“whatever let’s all go for F’s” “the korean trainees were so good. it just felt like we got to watch pros for free” lmao i love them

[@angelinebena9675]

Ikr the spirits we need honestly

[@LoveTglee]

The Japanese idols improves their dancing and singing so much in just a couple of MONTHS. That alone just amazes me every time

[@bigwijdsljla]

J pop: anyone can be an idol with the power of friendship of happiness! K pop: it’s about grind, it’s about power

[@muduk1004]

너네만 놀란게 아니야...우리도 존나 놀랬어... 못해도 어떻게 저렇게까지 못할 수 있나... 울나라 초등학교 장기자랑보다 못한 수준으로 뭘 보여주려고 온건지 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@태정태세문단.속잘하]

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ아 현웃터짐요ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ ㅋㄱㅋ

[@evelee7484]

@@Jenn_y_x 한국 비보이나 힙합댄스팀도 엄청난 수준인데요..댄서들 수준은 상위클래스로 가면 양국 전부다 국적에 관계없이 세계적 수준의 댄서들이 많아요. 일본 문화를 감안하더라도 프듀로 탄생하는 그룹은 k팝아이돌그룹이고 어느정도 퍼포머로 실력을 기본적으로 갖추는게 맞죠. 문화차이 운운할거면 애초에 안나오는게 맞아요. 자꾸 한국 아이돌은 완벽하고 걸크러쉬고 일본 아이돌은 친숙하고 귀엽고 팬과 함께 성장하며 상호작용을 더 중시한다...뭐 이러는데 우리나라 아이돌들도 팬서비스도 잘하고 다 귀엽고 애교도 열심히하고 연차가 갈수록 성장도 해요. 러블리즈나 오마이걸이나 청순계도 엄청 많은데 지들이 몰라서 그렇지....

[@trbhwasun]

저기..의상도..옷부터 좀:;;;

[@muduk1004]

@@Jenn_y_x 그럼 여길 오지 말았어야죠 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ

[@ajaaja5959]

비아냥거리지 말아요.. 배윤정 선생님 말대로 접해보지 못해서 못하는 것일 뿐입니다.. 똑같은 연습시간과 배움의 과정을 거쳤던 내꺼야 최종 등급평가를 보면 한국어 일본어 두가지 버전 일본애들은 포기하지않고 끝까지 했습니다..

[@zoeg5451]

watching this now is so weird knowing that sakura, nako, hitomi, juri, and miyu all speak korean and have debuted/will debut in the kpop industry, not to mention the fact that all of their improvement in dance, vocals, and stage presence between then and now is incredible

[@ulillaclarula9702]

The thing is J-pop has a lot more of different styles and it's more diverse. There are 'idol' groups just designed to be cute, lovable and happy entertainers like the 48 groups, but there are also other groups that despite being idols have the same or even more talent as korean idol groups. Just watch Flower or E-girls. And then, there are other groups like Perfume or Little Glee Monster that have so many talent both in vocal and dance and that aren't really considered 'idols'. In the Korean music industry, there aren't these different kind of groups at all. All of the groups must have talent both in dancing and singing, have AMAZING visuals and have good variety /acting skills. You must have all of that to be considered an idol. But in the Japanese music industry, all of this at the same time isn't necessary at all. It's a different concept of 'idol'.Japanese idols are down to earth girls that you would like to meet and have a friendship with. Korean idols are more 'perfect' and they are supposed to be like goddesses you admire lol. I love both jpop and kpop, and none of the 'idol' concept is worse that the other, they are just different.

[@redfish337]

Little Glee Monster is J-idol visual though. So like other groups like Fairies they tend to call themselves performance groups but often still get sorted into J-idol. LDH uses a different system so they're actually the ones that are almost completely broken out from the josei idol moniker. But yeah, there's LGM which is almost 100% singing selected, and Perfume which is almost 100% dance focused at this point... groups like LDH that care so much about both that they subdivide it based on specialty... all the dempa style groups where some of the voices are strange INTENTIONALLY... the typical idol setup of a few decent singers and dancers with... other people... and groups that for whatever reason don't seem to care about anything at all. =P

[@redfish337]

And... although skill is of course welcome, as I've said elsewhere, I appreciate the available variety. Some groups wouldn't get made if they had to have mainstream appeal. Some groups are only ever going to be able to draw a few hundred fans based on their concept. They probably aren't going to be able to get great performers to join something so niche. But at least the group can form and the people who enjoy it can enjoy it.

[@mhlib7569]

"in the korean industry there aren't these different kinds of groups" uhhhh You sure about that?

[@strawberrie6491]

you left out metal and alt idols

[@btw_cass6590]

You should listen to ivvy, X4, Jsb dream and alot of more jdols out there they are talented just like idols