MONBIOSIS with George Monbiot: Ep14 - Chemical Overload

[@antkin608]

A much relevant and needed conversation. Many thanks, George and the panelists. 😊 🙏

[@LeanAndMean44]

Please promote this channel in your columns and on your website.

[@kitchencounterculture8466]

Love Miriam ending on Sufficiency not Growth

[@veganevolution]

Thank you George Monbiot. Even if the species doesn't make it to the near future, I feel compelled by you as a significant step stone barer

[@LeanAndMean44]

I don’t think the earth will have gotten rid of the entire of humanity so fast. We’re just too many, some rich and fortunate people will probably find some way to survive. It would be as inhumane as in the movie 2012, but I think it would be so. It’s the prospect of immense and even more suffering in the world that worries me.

[@veganevolution]

@@LeanAndMean44 you really think the rich and wealthy can take care of the.selves? You're surely mistaken. The labor (and servitude) of the poor is the sole force keeping the rich and wealthy satisfied.no need to worry about those rich surviving

[@clappedoutmotor]

Cheers George. Monbiosis is a great name for a band

[@LeanAndMean44]

But his work is more serious than a band, agree?

[@stephentrueman4843]

31:38 Miriam starts talking about the publication worth reading "Outside the Safe Operating Space of the Planetary Boundary for Novel Entities"

[@LeanAndMean44]

Yes, but that actually did receive some media attention. I read about it in The Guardian, and I’m not going to sit down and read the whole study.

[@LeanAndMean44]

Strong final words, George. Thank you!

[@markhayward4076]

Informative, measured, but scary.

[@shelleywinters6763]

I would have no objection to banning plastic from food packaging and replacing it with cardboard and glass. I wish the stuff had never been invented, disgusting stuff. I've seen there is a plant or organic substitute for plastic containers, we need to switch to it now.

[@KateFrancis-eo2rp]

But what is Patricia saying?

[@veganevolution]

Sailesh Rao is THE NUMBER ONE SYSTEMS ANALYST FOR CLIMATE CHANGE. He worked with Al gore on climate change awareness and devotes his life to this cause

[@LeanAndMean44]

He is an isolated scientist who has promoted his own pseudoscientific idea that goes against every climate and agricultural consensus. He has accused the journal Nature of simply not publishing his paper, but he did it in an intransparent way, giving Nature no chance of answering publicly, as they couldn’t have even heard his accusations. After listening to him on the “Science is gray” podcast, I completely gave up on that man. He argued that all of science is basically wrong while coming from an ETHICAL stance. But just because we once made human experiments (now considered unethical), that doesn’t mean it was scientific wrong. It were still scientific experiments, and they did find out some things, even if they were often completely useless and inhumane. And coming from that stance as a scientist himself, having a PhD from the scientific system as it was some decades ago, I think his arguments are completely ridiculous. I can really recommend you read George Monbiot’s articles/columns about the food system, and more importantly, his new book. That features actual climate science, actual agricultural science, and a realistic and possible way for humanity to act differently. Even though I’m vegan myself (and George Monbiot is as well) I don’t think it’s realistic to expect all of humanity to become that in the near future and anytime soon. The only things I heard Sailesh say, that are true, are: Humans have influenced the climate through land use for thousands of years already (but that’s consensus and just a fact, he act as if it’s some kind of secret only he knows). If we stopped burning fossil fuels immediately, temperatures would actually increase first, due to the aerosols and pollutants that fossil fuels also admit. That is also what a recent study showed (Source: “42% chance of breaching 1.5°C goal even if all carbon emissions cease”).

[@veganevolution]

Ultimately, there's no way to suck the CO2 out of the atmosphere without trees. Almost all the trees on earth have been removed for animal agriculture, pastures, and animal feed. People like you who have all the right parts but don't put them together, are a greater obstruction to climate progress even than the Koch brothers. What would you suggest for sequestering ghgs without getting rid of all the aerosols, which would sharply increase Earth's temperature at the surface??