Monitor Check : Vocals in the Wedges

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[@jorgerisi8384]

Great way to go Ric !! Thanks for sharing your fun .

[@jjlwis]

Damn, I keep coming back to this video... wow so fast and precise when it comes to knocking down the freq's!! must be nice to have seasoned engineers to help you out!!! cuts time down to a fraction!!!

[@jjlwis]

wow, very good job @ Monitor world! very fast and precise!

[@SWATPhantom]

Nice video, keep'em coming, really usefull for a young inexperienced sound tech like me

[@sebastianshael3168]

Sir it's a great sound check video😊

[@mikke669]

i actually find this quite useful since i'm still getting used to the graffic EQ's and pretty much everything to do with sound mixing etc. thanx for posting this. btw i have nothing bad to say about your shirt its been ages since i wore something like that.

[@gigbutt]

Yes I use a cue wedge. Often I copy settings from wedge mix to the next if they are exactly the same wedges and it's at the very beginning of soundcheck. Just save time.

[@gigbutt]

Yes, there is a separate 1/3 octave EQ for each wedge mix. Running reverb in the monitors is OK. You must be very careful with the EQ section built into the reverb unit's Hi-pass and Low-pass filtering. It's very important when returning reverb to a wedge mix to roll off the LF and HF to avoid feedback. Depending on the type of reverb and the decay time, you must adjust the return EQ accordingly.

[@brighton09100]

Thx for the info!I have my pa set up in my basement.Since I am always in the same room will I have to do adjust the eq everytime I turn on my pa?Haven't got an eq yet...lots of feedback...ugg

[@lookin2jam23]

When I push the mixer main level higher (because I always leave head room and level off my channel faders), feedback or distorted audio signals come out of the speakers naturally due to the loudness and sound waves bouncing everywhere competing with the vocals. Hope to hear from you soon with your expertise.

[@iceman977th]

Your videos definitely help a lot! Random question, when you do monitor mixes, do you go SL to SR or vice versa? Since my sound rig is small, I do both main and monitors on my own, but I didn't know if there was ever a preference.

[@lookin2jam23]

This video is great! Do you have a separate eq processor for each monitor? Also, would you recommend running reverbs through the monitors or keep the monitors dry and leave the reverb in the mains only?

[@gigbutt]

@ricturtle Dude....put it into fader mix mode....it's the easiest way to mix monitors EVAR....instead of using aud buttones etc.....you use the mix master select buttons in the upper right of the screen. Touch the mix button you want to listen to and you also get to "see" exactley what's in the mix. You use the faders to set the levels rather than encoder knobs. You can instantly see the levels of everything in any of your mixes.

[@TrifonAthnos]

Thanks for the response Ric. I understand the inverse square law, but saying that effects how loud you listen to something when you have control over the loudness is faulty logic. Any professional sound system is capable of operating at unsafe levels, so are IEMs. The thing about the isolation with IEMs is that you have MORE choice over how loud the mix is while still being able to hear yourself. If you decide it needs to sound the same/louder as a stage with wedges, whose fault is it?

[@bigmusicalplex]

Thank you very much I receive knowledge from this vdo clip Thank.

[@cesaravila89]

Hey thanks for posting this vids up... just one quick question : Why u grabbing the wireless mic covering the capsule with ur hand....isnt that gonna create fast feedback trouble and it will affect also the higher frequencies when talking....

[@getstoned88]

Do you have own cue wedge too? Do you use that when you tuning and copy settings to the other wedges?

[@ricturtle]

hey you got any tips for navigating around a M7 desk, I am finding them a bit of a handful after coming off a life full of analogue desks. I am interested as i am really loathing working with digital at this time

[@TrifonAthnos]

If you have control of the level arriving at your eardrum, whether it is from a stage monitor or an IEM, from 50ft or 10mm, the inverse square law has no impact on SPL. Using one IEM removes the benefits of full isolation, as well as reducing low frequency and increasing the urge to turn up more to overcome the rest of the stage volume. Used properly and with some work on the musicians part, the overall volume of the IEMs can be lower and safer than a wedge.

[@victorprudeaux500]

take your K10's and run them fully open with the eq switch at flat, take out the drive rack, sonic maximizer and feedback destroyer from your chain. get a decent EQ from DBX or Ashley. run your mixer master at Unity/0DB. for feedback hook up a mic and run it up until the system starts to ring and cut the frequency by 3 db on the graph. keep running the mic gain up until your about 5 to 10 db hotter than what you will be running at on your mixer. from there you can mix with no worry of feedback

[@gigbutt]

I am mimicking (pretending) to use the mic in the same way that the Rappers are going to do. So yes it is going to cause feedback...I want it to cause feedback so I can get rid of it well before the Rappers take the stage and start screaming for more vocals in the monitors! And again you are correct, the way rappers cup the mics destroys the frequency response of the output....but they all do it anyway!

[@jjlwis]

oh yeah and i still have A LOT TO LEARN! my goodness thank you for getting me out of my bad ways... (Laziness) haha.

[@Blackopcodered]

@TheFlyers09 your able to do this job too

[@snapascrew]

What's it with sound guys and shirts with palm trees on them? :|

[@georgethompson1535]

They are disciples of Brad Madix

[@gigbutt]

@snapascrew what is it with spam trolls who can't do anything but snark on peoples efforts?

[@gigbutt]

First, professional IEM require custom earmolds for each performer. NOT CHEAP. And what if you loose them of forget them at the last gig? Second, professional transmitters and beltpack receivers are NOT CHEAP nor very durable. Third, it takes a really sophisticated setup to have enough clear "white space" to handle all the different frequencies of each wireless mic and IEM etc without interference or dropouts. Fourth, many performers don't like them or don't use them because of reasons 1,2,3.

[@DuaLeaD]

They make transmitters/receivers out of metal - The best ones seem to be from Sennheiser - Itt's well worth the investment when you've got enough stage noise as there is. I would rather have the mix right in my ear instead of having to stick near my floor wedge hoping I'll be able to get a good enough sound. There's too much noise pollution that can occur between the floor wedge and your ear. The IEMs have come a long way. The systems I was looking at will auto-seek open frequencies.

[@DuaLeaD]

Great video, but why not just use in-ear monitors??

[@John48778]

My question.. Monitor speaker no need effects?

[@gigbutt]

Artists will often want effects like reverb in their monitors. It's much more common to add effects to an IEM monitor system, but I have had many artists over the years ask for reverb or a slapback echo in their wedges.

[@John48778]

Ric Wallace thanks for responding, how to add echo or reverb on the monitor

[@snapascrew]

@gigbutt I was just joking around... I noticed you, and Rushes sound guys both wear the same sorts of shirts.... wow I hope the person I'm speaking to right now isn't the guy from the video because the guy in the video seemed cool.

[@gigbutt]

NOT CHEAP,means professional models are expensive. Not that they're made of plastic. I worked recently with a famous musician, likes to play with one IEM in the ear and the other out. Had his hearing tested after using this method for 5 years. The ear he wears the IEM in had signification hearing loss compared to the open ear. Why? Look up the Inverse Square Law sometime. With the transducer just millimeters from the eardrum, you're getting plenty of isolation but very high SPL at the eardrum.

[@sebastianshael3168]

Sir what is the salary that you get for this job...I m just taking an idea because I m too interested in this field...

[@gigbutt]

@snapascrew you are speaking to the same guy......and I am cool! But you would be surprised at how many comments and users I have to block because they are inappropriate or just not "on topic". So, I'm sorry for snarking back at you bro....I just get tired of peoples invective. But, BAD form on my part. I hope you are learning something from these videos...that's the important part for me! Btw...I'm old so us older guys dig our Hawaiian style shirts alot.....versus wearing a tie and suit!

[@DuaLeaD]

It's not the IEMs fault his mix was at too high a level...

[@jaggass]

I've heard floor monitors so loud that vocals sound like angle grinders.

[@gigbutt]

haha! yeah no doubt... stage volumes so loud and terrible guitar tone and drummers that think cymbals are a good thing to hit as hard as possible and as often as possible will do that.

[@jaggass]

@@gigbutt Cymbals are ear piercing as well. Do cymbals and voices sound like that due to the frequencies our ears hear?

[@gigbutt]

@@jaggass It's complicated. See this Wiki link for further reading on perceived loudness. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

[@gigbutt]

The conventional wisdom of the entire industry in the US is that EIMs operate at harmful levels...just sayin man, they're your ears. And the Inverse Square Law works at any distance. Ambient background noise is not the real issue not matter how loud that is I proper IEM system w/brickwall limiting is both challenging to do and hard to make make them sound fat. It's also why you see more and more flown sidefilll systems now...they want a punchy stage mix but wear IEMs for nuance.