Can We Fix Yugioh Products?

[@TeamAPS]

Refreshing to hear somebody so eloquently describe a lot of the Yu-Gi-Oh product improvements I've been thinking on for a long time. I hope this video finds its way onto Konami's radar.

[@Slifer29]

Agreed I love this game to a fault, but I’m not so much of a sycophant that I’m oblivious to the issues of this game. This video has as you stated very eloquently explained what’s going on and Konami really needs to start taking complaints/concerns into account a lot of us Yugi boomers are getting older and as life Responsibilities start to mount more you can’t count on those same people to continue to devote time or money into a product especially if it’s mid or even subpar and learn how to start targeting the next generation of players and make cards more readily accessible. You can still make money hand over fist and still give the people what they want. Konami should already know this.

[@Practicalinvestments]

The pull rates are complete garbage, I’d have to buy 2-3 cases if I wanted the specific cards I needed from packs which is ludicrous, And I only want the new ice barrier cards…. I’ve opened a box and a half and got 2 ice barrier secrets…. And only 2 other secrets even worth anything over $1

[@otterfire4712]

Hot take: End the TCG branch of Konami, convert the staff to be solely for translations and promotion. The pack construction doesn't need to change from OCG sets' layout, nor do we need TCG exclusives when they haven't had any significant relevance in the meta game in years, nor should they be taking up higher rarity spots.

[@xanthos8661]

ya but the ocg list sucks tho.

[@tristanalain9239]

​@@xanthos8661I don't know.... Tenpai got hit and I could use all 3 of my Colousus. 😈 God I love my gut feeling leading me to get two more.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

@@tristanalain9239 colossus is a design mistake that should have been unprinted after toss. Tenpai hits are cool but let's be real this close to worlds it's most likely the same set up as 2016 where it's to In this case gas up yubel by taking out relevant other contenders that realistically are above it

[@tristanalain9239]

@@Fencer_Nowa I can make the same statement about card design mistakes about Runick and Sky Striker. And have. If the card didn't check so much bullshit I would be fine with it staying on the list. Problem is, lime D Shifter it checks a lot of bullshit. And I will note my bias. I have enjoyed cooking my 60 card Branded Thunder list, so the ability to be an even bigger pain in the ass on a more consistent level with it appeals to me. As a budget player, shit like this is kinda my best option to play as casuals are kinda choked out at this point. And that would be my preferred play group

[@otterfire4712]

@@xanthos8661 I'd take what you consider a sub par banlist over expensive staples and abysmal pack pull rates any day. OCG's affordability enables more players to access a wider range of the card pool, thus giving way to more experimentation since more people can use the full card pool. I'd rather that than whales being the only ones shilling out for every staple, no matter the abscene cost it takes.

[@skylernguyen8600]

lets be real, its less "can we fix Yugioh Products?" and more "Will Konami fix Yugioh Products?"

[@leviathan5207]

They won't as longs as they are making money from TCG land. As soon as that well dries up, they will just cut the TCG completely because they cannot be bothered to accommodate the wishes of baka Gaijins or whatever.

[@TheGismo30]

I‘m very sure the game will be discontinued in the west before Konami changes their predatory buissness model

[@TheMadTurtle]

@@TheGismo30 I'm of two minds about that. For one, the nightmare will be over, but then people who invested time and money in the game will be at a loss.

[@JumboBog320]

​@@TheGismo30 I don't think that is ever the case. They look at numbers. If those numbers drop investors are not going to be happy. And if they drop enough changes will be made. They know how much money is on the table and they aren't going to let that slide. The big problem is rather will Konami change before they've burned all their bridges with LGSs. The worst part is the LGSs are the ones taking the blunt force untill Konami changes.

[@bottleofgreed4415]

Unless people stop buying cards altogether to make an actual impact, there will NEVER be a sliver of a chance for anything remotely similar to a fix

[@35pwatamelon88]

I was an OCG player. I started playing yugioh since 2008. I moved to UK this year and now I have to play tcg. In the end, I drop the game. The box opening experience in tcg is so bad compared to in ocg. And I just cannot afford the cards here. Like sp little knight, it is at least £90 here while in ocg, the lowest rarity is just £4.(the 25th edition in ocg is £80) This is ridiculous. Funny thing is the first time I played in a local event, I was still using Japanese cards. In that time I don’t know JP cards can’t be used in tcg events and tournaments. Most player were nice to me and allowed me to use JP cards. But in the third round, my opponent just mad at me because we are both playing rescues ace, using almost the same build, but his deck prices is much higher than mine. He thinks this is unfair and drop that game. After I dig into tcg, I now understand his feeling. I really love this game but unfortunately I have to drop it.

[@masterflamewing234]

sounds like you quit because youre a broke player. Which in the tcg if youre broke youre bad so makes sense you stopped playing. You were just bad at the game in TCG since you couldnt be a pay to win player

[@SakuraAvalon]

@@masterflamewing234 I'm sorry for your parents. Too have to be responsible for giving birth to literal trash, and then forced by society to keep you around, is just too cruel.

[@masterflamewing234]

@@SakuraAvalon so you’re sorry because I am telling the truth? The op even said he lacked the resources to play and dropped the game. Not my fault the game in TCG is pay to win trash

[@35pwatamelon88]

⁠@@masterflamewing234 In ocg I enjoy building whatever I want, without spending too much money. I am doing this for years, I am used to it. Now I can’t build my deck freely because of the price. I cannot play this game here as the same way I did before, this is a different game for me now, and I realise I am not enjoying it so I quit.

[@masterflamewing234]

@@35pwatamelon88 I feel you. I had the same thing and quit to Pokémon TCG. Have had way more fun and the prize support is actually good there lol

[@madnessends2477]

The pull rate is simply absurd. Two secrets in an entire box is ridiculous, why would you even bother buying one?

[@guacamolipepperoni3119]

its not about secret rares. Battle of Legends got one in every pack and is a garbage product.

[@asafvaknin2747]

2 secrets is not guaranteed for a few years, i had boxes that only had one secret

[@guacamolipepperoni3119]

@@asafvaknin2747 nah that is just a mistake, the missing secret case is still in the case. so another box got 3. if you're talking about boxes after covid.

[@BGLoscar]

Not for BLTR (battle of legend terminal revenge). You get a secret per box and 1 QCSE per box, at least our locals got 1 QCSE per box. I hope TCG follows the OCG model regarding rarities.

[@waiyon1951]

@@asafvaknin2747 i had a CYAC box that only had a Quem in it.

[@Yous0147]

"Make pack opening fun and more incenteviced", exactly this. Across the board, ideally you want for every pack to feel like a treat for any player, and of course that isn't easy to make happen, but when you actively work against that it's impossible. I appreciate these in depth videos, it's nice to see tangible suggestions and analysis that actually reaches at the core aspects that could fix yugioh on a more holistic sense.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Opening Yugioh products currently feels like getting kicked in the balls repeatedly.

[@spicymemes7458]

My LGS recently stopped selling yugioh. Low attendance, bad ROI, pull rates, no longer justify ordering cases. This was a shop started BY yugioh players, and they are now pivoting to Lorcana, Pokémon, and MTG. The other shop in my area has yugioh products, but they are charging almost double MSRP because they know the sets with one or two chase cards don't move as much as Rarity Collection, thus pricing more people out and creating this doom loop. Products don't move, meta is expensive, prize support sucks, cost of living is on the rise, and people on both sides of the transaction are finding this hobby to be less justifiable than ever. Despite having some of the most passionate fans of all TCGs, it's not being translated into sales, and people are max coping if they think this is nothing to worry about.

[@vespertinebjorkfan500]

it's a card game 😭 don't play if if you don't want to

[@spicymemes7458]

@@vespertinebjorkfan500 how does my LGS dropping yugioh product have anything to do with my desire to play? I want to play. That doesn't change what they did. Moreover, how does that negate any point that I made here?

[@FightinwordsTCG]

@@vespertinebjorkfan500 brain dead rebuttal

[@streetgamer3452]

@@vespertinebjorkfan500idiotic comment

[@juliansoria7733]

Its a shame youtube are filled with scum to protect corporates and shills like you, I would love to see the amounts of dislikes you got by that stupid excuse​@@vespertinebjorkfan500

[@traplover6357]

This is the real death of Yugioh. When buying singles is more valuable than buying products, locals will eventually quit selling them and drop the game.

[@yurisei6732]

My locals switched to offering MTG product as prizing for Yugioh events, because the Yugioh players didn't want Yugioh product.

[@darcygrimm8354]

@@yurisei6732LOL no way that’s hilarious but yeah I’d prefer a mtg pack too

[@vla1ne]

@@darcygrimm8354 i tend to use my store credit to buy pokemon or sleeves/boxes every time i top.

[@spicymemes7458]

​@@yurisei6732even OTS packs are bullshit

[@waiyon1951]

@@spicymemes7458 and also that a lot of player will more likely buy online than locals, (unless they really want to support the locals) I live in the UK i like the people in my locals but got i really can't support buying yugioh in my locals much since i can just get it cheaper by quite a bit online...

[@idontwantahandlewhymustidothis]

YuGiOh is dying locally, there's nobody to play with and fewer and fewer places to play. The writings on the wall imo

[@codename1176]

Yep and it’s going to hurt Konami

[@spicymemes7458]

Locally being the key word

[@deviwaazaa]

You've basiaclly highlighted every problem I have with playing the TCG right now. I used to buy tons of product back in 2018-2020 but I haven't bought a single box or pack since. Konami are insane for thinking, in the age of the internet, that we cannot just look over at how much better they're treating their Japanese/OCG market compared to us. It feels borderline xenophobic how much we get consistently screwed over and price gouged over shiny cardboard. They deserve a godamn lawsuit with how bad short prints have gotten sometimes. Unfortunately, they have shown year after year that they do not listen to their consumers. As long as resellers are buying the product for the secret rare chase cards to sell to competetive players at exorberate prices, they're happy.

[@tristanalain9239]

I am honestly wondering if there is grounds for a class action lawsuit around lying about odds and false advertising when it comes to short prints.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

IMO this entire thing is the result of Konami of America hiring former Upper Deck Entertainment employees when UDE lost the rights to the game. Every single bad market practice the TCG suffers today directly links to the decisions made under the Upper Deck Entertainment management. And with Konami of America being manned by literally the same people as before, the practices stayed, and will very much not likely to change.

[@TheSliferSlacker199]

Nothing wrong with calling out Konami! I love that you presented improvements to each complaint! You’re absolutely right though. Each product seems to get worse and worse…

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Because Konami's policy is "fuck the players, the shareholders need to satiate their neverending greed"

[@SloopYGO]

80 dollars per box is an absurd price for what you get, and as someone with low income I would personally never buy a box at that price, its just too high. and it hurts stores too, because who in their right mind is going to buy the boxes from stores at full value when they can get them at cardmarket for 2/3rds of the price even including shipping. i havent watched the deck build packs portion of the video yet, but i recently opened a valiant smashers box for 40€, so like half of the original price, and *just* about made my money back (because i got lucky and pulled 2 "good" ultras).

[@Loli-Knight]

Right? I still remember thinking booster box prices were expensive way back in the old Yugioh days (still 80 or so), but at least back then you were practically guaranteed to break even by selling the contents if you got a dud box. Meanwhile you'd normally make that value back and then some with your average box pulls.

[@pinnacull]

Thank you for making all these videos on how Konami is killing their game, monkeyfight. It gives me hope that at least one yugituber isn’t sucking Konami off just so they can stay on their good side. I really appreciate how you not only validly criticize Konami’s decisions, but also provide actual ideas they could use in practice. I’m priced out of the game right now, but I have hope that maybe, just maybe, yugioh will be as affordable as it is in the ocg.

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

I'm happy players are walking away tbh. Konami's practices for the TCG are so abusive, disgusting and stupid when they have no need to be as seen in the ocg. I love the game, but I'd rather risk having it die and see if that will force Konami's hand than have it keep going as it is.

[@JuwanBuchanan]

It won’t. Konami doesn’t even care about it’s gaming division. Look how they treat Metal Gear and Castlevania. If Konami feels they can’t cheat the playerbase any longer, they will just give the TCG playerbase the middle finger and make Yugioh OCG only and go on about their day. They are that scummy.

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

@@JuwanBuchanan I wouldn't assume Konami will be so quick to give up on the tcg side's yearly revenue, but if they do so be it. If my original comment didn't make it clear enough, I'm willing to take that risk, I'd encourage everyone to let the paper game die in the west if there's no will from Konami to fix it like we know they easily could.

[@pinnacull]

my thoughts exactly. konami couldn’t give a fuck about anyone that enjoys their product, and would happily kill the game (like they ARE doing),if it meant their wallets were slightly more full.

[@four-en-tee]

​​​​@@JuwanBuchanan Cool, then Yugioh could have a community ran list and everything. It'd be the Smash Bros Melee of the TCG scene, and while there would be no guarantee that the competitive scene would ever be as big as during its hayday, it'd at least have some integrity again. What's the saying again? "Don't threaten me with a good time?"

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

@captainsargas1606 Once again, I think that's preferable to letting things keep going the way the have been. But also remember, they can only ever lose profits by dropping tcg, massively so may I add, do you think investors will just let that happen? That a board of directors will happily sign off on that?

[@Animexdraco]

As a player that really returning to TCG at the begining of 2023, realizing how low quality of Yugioh products was is something that really baffle me and I somehow don't fully understand how the game manage to be still alive today with that kind of product. There is just no reason to buy box or other product An example : my brothers bought a box of the last Battle of Legend because he wanted to have the new Ice barrier support, not only he pulled 0 Ice barrier card, but he also only pulled cards that are worth less than 1€, nothing valuable, for a box bought 85€ in my country. A total loss for him that could have been avoid if he a bought the cards has single even with pre sale price.

[@UmDevoto]

You just said why people still buy the products. For the fun of the expectation any person who buys the box for the ice barrier cards could easily get the singles, thats why the game still alive

[@UmDevoto]

And cmon lets be honest you cant go to any other TCG and not have the same result, i feel bad for your brother but thats the thing with gamble if you win u get happy if not you get angry/sad

[@1Raroy]

@@UmDevoto Yu-Gi-Oh has the worst product out of any tcg, it is objectively the worst value proposition. Statistically on average the singles opened in a booster box have a lower value than the box price yes, but yu-gi-oh is unique in where the expected value is equivalent of worthless dead tcgs like metazoo. This matters because hundreds of local game stores are dropping this game like a rock. Game stores often open up dead product to get more cash flow and they can't support a game with booster boxes that cost 60 wholesale that frequently has dead sets that average 10 dollars worth of singles per box. People are absolutely happy buying a 100 dollar pokemon booster box and getting 50 dollars worth of singles. No one is happy paying 80 dollars for a yugioh box and getting 8 dollars worth of singles.

[@ikillyomama]

@@UmDevoto Sure you're not going to plus off of every box, but the trend shouldn't be 10/12 boxes netting like $10 worth of singles. It feels like with yugioh boxes you either lose or win really fucking hard. Lots of recent sets settle with only like 5 cards (not including lottery rarities) worth more than a single pack. Shits baaaaaaad yo

[@Animexdraco]

@@1Raroy This. My brother also open Pokemon products, and even if it's not always satisfaction (it's still gambling after all), it's so much better than Yu-Gi-Oh with at least cool alt card or a minimum of value even in the worst opening. Plus in Pokemon it's just for collection, if you want to play you don't have to spend a lot, but for Yugioh not only the collction sucks but also the competitive since it's needed to play card that are gatekeep in those poorly distribued rarity. As for the people "who take pleasure to open product", even if there is some people that actually take pleasure and can spead without drawback, for a lot of people I thinks it's just gambling addiction/Sunk cost fallacy with an hope of taking pleasure during the opening rather than actualy taking pleasure during an opening. Like, to talk again about my brother, when I ask him why he bought the box after a bad opening (with is 90% of time), he always told me "I was hopping for the chase card to come" even if now the chase card don't covert anymore the cost spend on the box

[@GurenBlanc]

A study of pull rate differences in box openings from content creators and the regular public would be a great task but an absolute needed one. It’s an amazing idea.

[@the199dirtrider]

I cannot wait to see that study done on if creator boxes are rigged.

[@four-en-tee]

He really should find a lawyer in case things get hairy after the video's release. It wouldn't hurt to have some sort of contingency plan, this is Konami we're talking about.

[@spicymemes7458]

There's no way Konami isn't low-key buying off bigger youtubers.

[@friendlyneighbourhoodsunwheel]

Yeah the last card/gaming shop in my area just dropped Yu-Gi-Oh the other day so good work Konami I hope all that profiteering was worth it.

[@waynemcmillian5445]

What Konami should be making is more advanced deck sets like Pokemon been doing and other card games because the structure decks are not enough for a new player.

[@sibaris1731]

Absolutely, I feel like I'm barely getting my money's worth with having a couple hand traps, or knowing I still have to buy 3 of the same deck just to kinda have something viable, would rather just Konami sell me the whole deck, let's hope the tactical tri decks make their way to the TCG.

[@Practicalinvestments]

Ocg rarity model is the only way imo. I Quit buying boxes n only singles now not worth the loss especially when everything is useless garbage except the chase card

[@rokmare]

I wish Konami have mtg challenger decks for yugioh these products help a lot in learning how to build competitive decks but chances are these decks are gonna be hit by the ban list not long after release just like the real challenger decks being so close to rotation 😂

[@evandouville8935]

Bald Lara Jumpscare!!!!

[@TheSonicZero]

I always thought it was ridiculous that you buy a yugioh pack and get cards that are so unrelated and then you must buy 30+ singles online to make a somewhat usable deck. It’s why I never got into it

[@hecatrice2064]

I recently came back into the game after quitting when Links came out and even though i'd love to buy real cards, I can't rly justify some of the prices

[@Noremak_Notrap]

i feel the same way. i quit around links and im just now looking into coming back but they're not making it easy for returning players. i started playing magic commander at the beginning of the year and have more fun than being hand trapped and stunned by opponents "negate your summon, negate your effect, etc.. "

[@hecatrice2064]

@@Noremak_Notrap Yeah master duel it is for me..I can’t wrap my head around having half of ur deck with handtraps/counter handtraps tho

[@killerbee1974]

This is why older formats like Edison are popular. 98% of the decks have multiple reprints and you can play a viable deck for a low price

[@TemporaleTossico]

And they even recently got more reprints in rarity 2

[@spicymemes7458]

It's really goat that is expensive. Most are cheap, but some staples haven't had reprints in a long time

[@AyELTee88]

Dragon Master Magia is such a fucking meme card. How dare they heavily advertise this card, then make it near impossible to pull. And the problem that we have here in the TCG community is made even more obvious by the AE OCG. They don't have to deal with bullshit rarity bumps, and even when they do, the singles can be bought for basically pennies on the dollar.

[@zerogamestudio]

Here in my Country. Bandai literally kick the ass of konami to the sky in the TCG radar, yugioh became the casual option and One Piece, Dragon Ball even Digimon (my place) the competitive standard. Eventhough One Piece is Expensive like yugioh people are more than happy to open Bandai boxes that give them value, good cards and ratios and zero literally ZERO filler, this can be controversial but the "bad" cards are only that just card that u can replace when new support came out and not Cards that are unplayable cuz they sole purpose is to make bulk and nothing more. The greater point about all Bandai's TCG is Set after set of new decks, they are not pushing other decks aside, they are improving decks w cards that maybe were not intended to them or making them have another breeze of air. Konami has a long way to go and people still cope that is the best TCG but the reality is that the simplicity and more fun and interactive Modern TCG's are pushing them slowly to the edge and they anti-consumer products make other tcg's more and more alluring to the casual players.

[@Evo_Me]

I love yugioh but god damn the pull rates suck ass. Better off just buy them not worth opening product.

[@danielcodoceo722]

Now I understand why I still can't find the other 2 copies of spright Blue I need. 💀

[@DarkDodgers]

My friend recently bought the deck core for Ritual beasts for me from some dude. I thought it was overpriced, turns out he got me a DEAL because Lara costs an ARM AND A LEG NOW!

[@spicymemes7458]

I wanted Ice Barriers and while they didn't get hit as hard, the new synchro and mirror mage are priced than they have a right to be

[@theentity5201]

We don't get any vanilla OCG imports any more, it's such a shame Terminal revenge just reprinted Barox, sengenjin and Skelgon 🤦

[@MasonMachu]

Its crazy how there is such a vocal majority on this issue from players, sellers, and resellers and yet the Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG still wants to run its business into the ground and kill its community

[@jinxtheunluckypony]

“They don’t even profit off of this, they just hate you.” The Konami way.

[@Animexdraco]

To had something about the Battle of Legend box : In OCG, for the 4 Dual Terminal archetype, they got a box named "Terminal World" that ix a box fully dedicated to those 4 archetype, with a reprint of every card related to those archetype. The weaker one are only available in common and rare, and the best one + the new one are available in every rarity, from Common to QCR. And us we've got that bullshit box that is Battle of Legend, ... Like, Lara that is one of the most short print card of this set that currently cost around 20€ on cardmarket ? In OCG she was available in common ... They shortprinted a card that should be available as a common, I doubt they're is a lot of hope lmao.

[@ryuuohdeltaplus7936]

With the OCG Terminal World set, you can literally build the full core of all the four archetypes in common. It's that amazing.

[@Animexdraco]

@@ryuuohdeltaplus7936 Yes, those archetype was supposed to be super affordableand accesible thanks to that special set. Even if we have been used to have worst product than OCG, this set is just insulting compared to what OCG player had ...

[@jemandoondame2581]

AYOOO, LETS BE FRIENDS AND DUEL!! YOU GOT DISCORD?

[@skychocolate767]

Deck Build Packs wouldn't be as bad if they followed the OCG's rarity distributions: 3 Ultras, 1 for each archetype (Usually being the "icon" of said archetypes). Instead of the TCG's 10 Ultras distributed around the featured archetypes, with the most viable one getting a larger portion of said 10 Ultras ( Vanquish Soul had SEVEN out of the TEN ultras in Wild Survivors)

[@TheNewblade1]

I wonder had anyone taken Walmart product to customer service, asked "you guys do price matching right?" Then pulled up tcgplayer?

[@DemonFox369]

With archetype specific cards, opening boxes means you can’t really build anything

[@IamJerf]

As a Ritual Beast player Im upset at the fact that because Elder is at a high price up, no one will pick up the deck to try it out, especially when Lara is already going for $24 each. I already have all the cards long, before this ridiculous price change, and the new supports so im happy i didnt have to spend that much but it still doesn't take away the pain for those new to the archetype that want to play them but can't

[@niirceollae2]

I love all your proposals. I hope they make changes cause Konami is just running it further into the ground when it could easily be way better..

[@GURKENGOTT]

I love Yugioh, but I kinda wanna see the game going down even further so that Konami actually does something. It's become so frustrating to me that I've completely switched to edison after playing for almost 9 years.

[@kanokanashimi3238]

One point that really stood out to me was the aspect of getting to play right ouf one display. Digimon has been my main TCG for over a year now. When a new set relases and you get one or two boxes, you are almost guaraneted to be able to play the deck. You might have to stock on some SR's or older support cards, but mostly you are good to go! Esspecially with box toppers that come with every box, its just nice to open a box of Digimon. And this great video made me realize that even further! Pls keep going! I also cant wait on the next beginners video for the One Piece TCG

[@m3t4lUs3r]

I got back into yugioh after over ten years because of master duel. It reminded me of how much I loved this game. And I started buying a few products because of the 25th anniversary and after just a year of the terrible pull rates from boxes, I am completely burnt out. I’m still going to play duel links and master duel without spending a cent on them but I can’t bring myself to buy any more TCG products until changes are made. For me to have a ton of nostalgia for this game and to be reinvigorated by the 25th anniversary and master duel and to be put off this quickly from physical product, is a giant sign of how badly the current TCG model is.

[@Mr.green1197]

That's why i love structure decks I know what cards I'm getting

[@beanbroly]

I agree in the idea that structure decks have been much more merciful, but I can't love them

[@leviathan5207]

Yup... Albaz Strike coming out without A SINGLE Despia, let alone Aluber was a huge slap in the face imho. So much BULK left over that no one wants.

[@four-en-tee]

And then we havent received a structure deck in over half a year.

[@beanbroly]

@@four-en-tee has it been that long? Damn. This year does seem like a cashgrab

[@spicymemes7458]

The worst structures have better value on average than sets

[@beanbroly]

My dissapiontment in the shrot printing of Dragon Master Magia is one that makes me evaluate the purpose of the 25th year celebration. What purpose does celebrating a game nearly 2 years after the creator's death do other than to rub in our faces how much Konami hates the TCG playerbase? The OCG doesn’t have nearly the amount of problems our Banlist, second market value, and product distribution has like the TCG. This set makes me understand one thing: Konami does not care. They don’t care for the game's worldwide success, not care for the image and legacy of Takahashi, and especially do not care about the game's exclusivity being it's detramemt for new players. You have to drop 100 dollars in the second market to even play tier 3 or tier 4 decks. 30 dollars for the correct ratios of certain archetypes and core cards from the structure decks and 80 dollars from a booster set or box to enhance said decks. This game is my comfort hobby, but more and more I am seeing Konami's monitary incentive to destroy it. I can’t even play casually without dropping heavy cash for support. Fuck man, I don’t think the TCG will reach 50 years

[@spicymemes7458]

I shudder at the idea of what they would do if they reached 50 years

[@punklingyt]

I didn't realize it at the time, but I actually subconsciously stopped buying packs of cards because of Short Prints. Konami, your strategy to get people to spend more money on boxes...made me stop spending money on your boxes. The last good pulls I had was around Christmas, when my wife got me a box that had 1 copy of S:P Little Night and a QCR Ty-Phon in it. Clearly, a box meant to be sent to a streamer and not me. However, even with how exciting those pulls were, those were the first "Wow!" pulls I've gotten in 5 years. Last "Wow" pull I had was early 2018, then after a few sets of boring openings with $0.60 cent Secret Rares while a new deck staple Ultra Rare is 10$, I just gave up on buying packs. So yeah...please stop the short printings, Konami? I cannot fathom a business strategy that revolves around; Make a desirable item, mix it with undesirable items...then watch someone pay someone else who bought your expensive to produce and ship undesirable items for the one desirable item. You'd think they'd really look and realize "Hmm...what if we...made it so that person buying the desirable items...just got a box full of desirable items...then they keep coming to us for that instead of buying one item from that other guy...huh"

[@four-en-tee]

But are you still buying highly inflated competitive cards from vendors who whale out constantly on Konami's products? If so, then Konami's strategy still works. Thats the problem here.

[@Flaredmetal]

I literally never feel incentivized to buy a booster pack/box because I know I have a better chance of winning the lottery than pulling a good card.

[@daveclarke1990]

It's a minor point, but it wouldn't hurt if the sets didn't have terrible names. If a casual goes to a shop and sees boosters labelled "legacy of destruction", "phantom nightmare", "age of overlord" and "cyberstorm access", each with an over-designed dragon on the pack it kind of blends together into a meaningless mush. I imagine there's some market research that says that players like dragons and things that sound cataclysmicly epic, but maybe not do it for every set.

[@four-en-tee]

"Albaz and Friends" would fly off shelves

[@SakuraAvalon]

Deck builder sets in the TCG just feel like a scam version of Structure Decks. I spent more than I ever should have on them. And never got a complete deck of any of the three archetypes. Had to buy singles to complete the deck. Upon realizing just how much I wasted, I felt like a massive idiot for buying packs.

[@olytorres4499]

At this rate we are going to lose walmart and target

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

I honestly don't think so. They still stock metazoo.

[@BGLoscar]

One of the walmarts in our area has dropped the whole card collection aisle. Because they do not profit.

[@MonkeyFightTCG]

That is crazy for me to hear. If it's that bad it could become a bigger and bigger problem but I hope not.

[@PyckledNyk]

Ironically, my target has recently started stocking MORE product, but everything but YuGiOh. There is a ton of Lorcana and Pokémon, some Magic, and then there is like one or two YuGiOh products, always the product that doesn’t sell: the two player set and Rush Duels

[@gaarafan89]

​@@MonkeyFightTCGHi, I'm from 6 months into the future, and my Target completely stopped selling Yu-Gi-Oh products in exchange for Lorcana

[@kiliosai]

The absurd thing is this does not happen in the OCG, Most of the OCG products are very affordable, and are almost if not very fair when it comes to pull rate. Konami TCG is really fucking up their entire player base. Not to mention that the TCG doesn't even get the Tactical Try-decks we have in the OCG. smh

[@cameronfarrell9076]

"promos have a shallow pool of two or 3" this is so key. I think there were like 25 different promos in the 2023 tins, and when you only get one per tin, and only about a 3rd of them having any interest to myself, and there being an almost zero chance of getting the one or two i actually wanted, there was zero chance the promo was going to convince me to buy a set, nor am i gonna pay 20 dollarydoos for them as singles. Guess I'll miss out and be salty and then leave the game. Maybe if they had 3 promos per tin i would have considered buying a couple to play the odds

[@stratecheese1302]

Konami tcg needs to go down in order to realize they aren't going up anytime

[@necatron73]

The Terminal Revenge set is crazy, it took one guy 10 cases to find a Yubel. And he only found 1. Didn't even get close to finding Magia. That's a huge loss.and a lot of trash cards left over.

[@PsychoKern]

Man, I just want a new GOOD structure deck for TCG

[@TheSliferSlacker199]

Where did structure decks go? They were one of the best products and we have t had one since crimson king I think? They used to be quarterly or twice a year I think.

[@tristanalain9239]

​@@TheSliferSlacker199we've had Fire King since then. And it's pretty solid for a buy 3 and play. Droll is reprinted Still could be better though i agree

[@TheSliferSlacker199]

@@tristanalain9239 I forgot that one but that’s the only on this year

[@tristanalain9239]

@@TheSliferSlacker199 yep. 2 Player Starter Set was so shit I don't count as a starter/structure deck. Konami just ugggh. It's almost feels like they are trying to kill the game outside of Japan sometimes

[@Animexdraco]

@@TheSliferSlacker199 OCG didn't make any structure this year because they made the "Try out deck", 3 deck with already existing archetype made to introduce begginer to competitive environnement. The thing is those deck are so good as a product (Lot of staple like Thrust) that it will surely be just skipped in TCG

[@ericlol99]

Not sure if you saw the Heart of the Cast with Former card designer Matt Bell. The TLDW is the only way to make Konami to anything is to stop buying products but they also know people just really love yugioh. So I doubt things will change. They sorta talked about why TCG and OCG have different rarities the answer is we spend more money here.

[@pabloac.8100]

Pretty good analysis...but I think at this point, its clear (at least to me) that the two main problems of YGO TCG, come from two things that truly are beyond our reach: 1) The TCG administration itself and 2) the OCG administration....I can't tell how much one affects the other, but its clear that the two are responsible for this mess, because: the first one its literally the one legally responsible for all the bad decisions of this game (with all of its consequences)...and the second one, while not legally responsible, its still to blame because either: are well aware of the decisions the TCG does, and agrees with them or don't give a shit about the west (don't know which one is the worst).....Ultimately, its up to the players and community to decide how much shit are they gonna tolerate...but as for me, I truly stopped caring about the outcome and just play MasterDuel a few minutes per day...Not because I don't like this game (I still like it despite all the crap), but because the ones pulling the strings ABSOLUTELY deserve the slap...

[@guacamolipepperoni3119]

i dont see the main problem for small vendors here, which is THAT we dont get enough of the good sets like AGOV or DABL. Always shortened orders, while other product orders get fulfilled. there was not a single vendor on earth that got shortened at a Soulburning Volcano Order lmao.

[@fuji5400]

every yugioh product complain i always see comes from the TCG side and less of OCG side... im glad my locals plays OCG and not TCG

[@cedriclopez7858]

Honestly great video and hits the nail on the head As a fan who got back during Arc V I’ve seen how we’ve went from having a good variety of sets that were affordable to everything being extremely hard to pull or too expensive in singles I think they also choose the wrong cards to give secret rare slots in the BOL sets and stuff like the deck building sets were better when it was a all foil set with decks built from the packs themselves like prank kids, darklords, or Eldlich It sucks to see Konami being blind to their consumers and LGS Also what’s the editing software used here?

[@RDD48]

I love this game but man these boxes are awful to open, i gave Digimon a chance and now i feel more ripped off from Konami (even if Bandai is'nt the Best) over there we got announce a box with full sets of cards of two japanese box and reprints of the two 50/60 dollar cards for 40 dollars

[@hectormoreno3940]

I think this is your best video yet. Hope you keep making videos and continue to call Konami out.

[@vla1ne]

the saddest thing, is that it's not even remotely difficult to fix yugioh. while this is definitely one of the best videos on the topic, there have been ample videos already, for years, discussion how tcg product could be improved. There is 0 reason to think konami tcg doesn't pay attention to the game as a whole, as if they didn't, they wouldn't know what cards to short, or what cards to "rarity bump". it's with that particular though in mind that leads me to believe there is only 1 way to fix yugioh proper: *Let it fall off.* period. last year, yugioh hit arguably the largest slump it has ever seen as far as how much product was actually moving off shelves, and for the first time, in a LONG time, konami actually took a step to resolve the issue of their dumpster fire sales, by almost 1-1 importing the greatest set of all time (rc1). unfortuunately, konami didn't learn the correct lesson, as we saw with rc2 that they almost immediately went and erased everything that made rc1 such a good product, by hiking the price, altering the set structure, and filling the set with far lower value than what they could have made. no matter how many intelligent solutions you, or anyone else provides, the only thing that will solve the problem, is for players to embrace _not_ buying new product, and instead understand that, same as players who do time wizard formats, it is possible to play the game with only the cards you already own. keep *_playing_* yugioh sure, but stop *_buying_* yugioh. let konami tcg eat loss after loss, until they are so desperate to reclaim their players that they never even think to pull the same tricks they currently employ so freely right now. sure, you don't get the new $500-1k staples or meta decks, but if given the choice between that, or making the game healthier for good, i would rather not (and i really haven't) put money into supporting konamis terrible practices.

[@MatthewLoney]

I could be wrong about the cost of the product but while lowering the price would increase demand that might not completely offset the losses because the shipping costs would scale with the increase in demand.

[@acesw6124]

I bought Duel Devastator because I knew what to expect and the box offered secondary value as storage box (beside the point). Rarity collection could have been like the Duel Devestator box all cards from the set in it but in different rarities and boom you have a product that can be a 1 time buy for casual players and a x time buy for collectors or people who open more than that to get high rarity and the secondary market would profit of cheaper singles.... Trading too would be easier... I only bought 6 boosters of Ra02 traded for 7 cards and bought 3-6 card singles to get all cards I wanted from the set 1 collectors rare Ghost Belle got me the 7 cards I needed.... value difference

[@gunrunners5283]

Dog phantom of yubel has no reason being so expensive. Its mostly the whole reason people want terminal of revenge.

[@uteriel282]

how about just bringing the ocg sets to the tcg without changing rarities, short printing chase cards and removing some of it to release in random collectors editions?

[@lucarioknightb7685]

A) changing mains sets to feel more like deck build sets feels so much better. B) using Scott the woz as the ygo target audience is honestly wonderful.

[@bluetf2622]

I feel like having something similar to Magic the Gathering's focus on a setting that all cards in a Main Set belong to would help build up hype and make these sets feel more memorable. And make them draftable aswell, it's hard getting excited for a set these days if there's no archetypes that interest you so atleast drafting the set would help a bit.

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

Drafting is an impossibility as long as the game as a whole still uses archetype based design. It's been this way for 25 years. I was in grade school frustrated I had a Thousand Eyes Restrict and neither of its fusion materials.

[@bluetf2622]

@@tinfoilslacks3750 Honestly, i disagree. Think of something like the Deck Build packs, but with archetypes designed to be synergistic with each other, and include non-archetypal cards that can be used with any one of these archetypes. It wouldn't be the most replayable draft experience out there, but it's still 100% possible to design a draftable set with archetypal design, you just have to be creative.

[@Jolfgard]

There is another product strategy in place, in practice, in the global economy, across half the world. What I'm saying: What is so fundamentally wrong with the OCG model that we couldn't even try it out for the TCG?

[@Mt.Berry-o7]

That it keeps cards accessible and consumers happy, and TCG can't allow that as their foremost policy.

[@Simply_Taido]

It will only encourage people to buy quantities of the specific cards that they wanted from each set and avoid sealed product entirely, causing LGSs to lose even more money compared to dealing with some mediocre sets. For example, if you only wanted S:P, then why would you pay at least around $60 for a box of AGOV if you can buy at least 2 copies from an online vendor for much less? Most TCG players are only concerned with being able to play paper as quickly as possible by grabbing copies of the cheapest versions of specific cards. Unlike OCG players, they're not picky when it comes to rarities, and they don't care about luxury rarities either.

[@Jolfgard]

@@Simply_Taido Then we gotta admit that TCGs are a commercial failure and shut down that part of WotC. I mean, evidently there is no proper way to commercialize a TCG and keep it going for any notable amount of time. After all, MtG also has passed the point of "Buy singles instead of Sets" circa 1.5 decades ago.

[@Simply_Taido]

@@Jolfgard Another issue is that unlike PKM, OP, similar card games, and even the OCG, the TCG doesn't have a large enough collectors' market to justify copying the OCG rarity distribution. Even most casual players don't collect.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

@@Simply_Taido people buy singles because it's cheaper than gambling on tcg product as there's nothing that's gonna help eat the cost mmostly. ocg product is cheaper too at 30-40 a box compared to 60-80 so people would actually buy sealed because you know sets like tactical masters would let you build a deck out the box of 1 of the 3 themes atleast. Sets like agov that are gassed as good value would be better value because sp came out as super rare, secret and qcsr More eh sets like cyac or dune as cards like chaos angel and dis pater came out as baseline super or ultras then had secret and prismatic secret prints. unchained Yama came as super base then the entire chimera stuff bar chimera the phantom king was rare. Like the ability to pull playable cards you want or actually pull stuff that makes you a return is so much higher

[@Uri6060]

Yugiohs strength with products has always been the smaller stuff. The bundles, the legendary collections etc. But honestly they havent seen too exciting to me recently. But also im older, and recently came back from mtg where I had to stop myself from bankrupting myself by buying boxes there where I have almost never felt that way in yugioh lol.

[@Uri6060]

So true about the cards contained in sets tho, outside of an archetypes debut set, I would almost never be tempted to buy a box to try to build the deck out of. Even stuff like Destiny Soldiers was a lil sus out of the box which is crazy considering it had like 3 archetypes and destiny hero was the face

[@PiantaBroker]

"Hmmm we keep releasing products without making effort of changes. Why are they still failing?"

[@TheMadTurtle]

Answer; Not like we care anyway - shrugs -

[@tristanalain9239]

On a separate note as someone who quit to play Vanguard: Game is better here by a mile when it comes to product. Price is lower (50-60ish a box) and buying a case gets you AT LEAST a playset of every RR and RRR card in the set,plus several luxury rares and full arts. Premium Precons for the Eternal Format are occasionally released, Precon Stride Decksets for Standard add budget out of the box playable decks for 40ish. All of Vanguard's starter decks generally come with full playsets of cards. However there are duds and bad moves. Like the fuckery with the new Start Decks and DZ Set 1. If Bushiroad wasn't allergic to reprints, it would be near perfect. Konami needs to look at Bushiroad and Pokemon and take notes on how to better make product.

[@thefinalskarm1754]

Deliberately missing cards is constantly konami TCG's motive operandus. I will never forgive them for the missing shaddoll dragon and it still not being in UR for my ocd.

[@theentity5201]

Like nearly 100 OCG vanilla imports too Make a set dedicated to them, make them promos, tin exclusives etc.

[@hurrdurrmurrgurr]

The video: Constructive ways to make people buy yugioh cards again. The update: Take Konami to court.

[@leonardopenapineda6488]

I buy a decent amount of digimon boxes due to my love of digimon. I also love yugioh to a very similar degree, and even then I very rarely ever buy Yugioh product. The last time I pulled a box, it was Wild Survivors, which was a similarly terrible set, hoping to pull the Dinosaur support. Instead, I pulled 2 ceaser valius, and 1 rock. I was excited for terminal revenge, since I am a massive fan of duel terminal. Once I saw the box openings however, I decided to not buy the 3 boxes I was planning on and decided to instead buy singles. Very unfortunate how bad opening yugioh sets are

[@tinfoilslacks3750]

Man it's almost like having an intrinsic reason to buy packs beyond just your constructed collection, like idk some kinda draft, helps product move independent of its relation to the secondary market

[@BUKWH3AT91]

I think 60-65 booster boxes is def the way. Basically if a curious new player could spend right about $100 for three structure decks, one box of the new set released afterwards and a pack of sleeves, it’s perfect. Make the pull rates meaningful in the box and your set, for example, cracking a box should yield you roughly 15-20 cards of varying rarities that can be slotted right into that structure deck. Konami loves to advertise your new structure “gets an upgrade!” With the new booster box but you usually not only get hosed on ripping some packs, you don’t even pull COMMONs that have synergy in your new deck.

[@fogblades6811]

Yeah, I'd Proxy

[@Junglewarfare]

It’s the competitiveness and price of the game in the tcg that drives mostly competitive engagement toward sets. It’s the opposite in the OCG where the game is cheaper so people don’t mind buying packs or boxes for a neg bc they way more casuals. It all comes down to price.

[@digitalstatictv]

These videos usually inspire me to write an essay in here... but all there is to add is "Yeah, facts!"

[@allovertheworld5048]

Fix Yugioh TCG products is easy just copy and paste Yugioh OCG products

[@piramaster9294]

F this TCG, sad to say but if I ever come back to playing TCG I might as well learn Pokemon rather than the game I love and played for a long time. Honestly with the existence of Master duel I feel good not coming back ; when simulator is more appealing than actual TCG things are in precarious state

[@spicymemes7458]

I'm grateful that Master Duel exists because I don't have a locals anymorr

[@jtalkalot19]

THIS VIDEO IS GREAT. I think the product is one of the biggest issues with this game here in the TCG. Maybe it was always destined to end up this way since TAEV in 2007. We no longer matched the OCG in rarities. The infamous DAD was an rare in the OCG, sercet rare in the TCG. Sets went from 60 to 80, 100 in the TCG with 10 new TCG exclusives every set. I think something that would help would be to do away with the deck building sets and put them into main sets as more playable. This has always been a problem going way back. This may sound off topic, but I think better card design would help, too. Everything doesn't have to be game breaking, but worth Maybe looking at.

[@GlennElliottKeller]

I think we can finally come full circle when kuriboh gets a waifu alt art “Kuriboh Girl”

[@SasoriAkasuna-mo1hq]

It's a shame they removed the promo cards in the Mega tins, that was probably the main reason to buy the tins. 2019 Gold Sarcophagus was one of the best products because of the guaranteed promos you could get like Nibiru, Dark ruler no more or the cards with alternate artwork. It's weird Konami decide to stop including promo cards in the tins after realeasing such a good product.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

2019 promos in the following tins would absolutely carry the dog ass they had in terms of distribution. There's a reason the infamous 2017 mega tin still sold (the biggest appeal being zoo but was dead) was promos like not only proxy dragon for arrows but the fact pot of desires was now easily accessible

[@N12015]

This last month I've been playing Dungeon Duel Monsters, a program made for PvP campaigns where you slowly draft a competent deck to face an opponent. One of the best parts of it is basically picking packs of curated cards and building something who resembles playability at some point, while also trying to be aware of the opponent's strategy. Sadly I know that kind of experience on the TCG would be just burning money.

[@nikolai1566]

Would be great if duds are completely gone and every buyer gets something valuable out of their boxes, even if its not what they are looking for, they would still sell or trade it incentivizing the market and maintaining the value of the cards.

[@Ratchetfan321]

The BEST way to fix a game. 1. Make your voice clear and contructive why your upset. 2. Stop buying product at most buy singles but no packs/boxes/deck ect. 3. This one may be harder for some but stop signing up to official events locally or big. Ask store owners if its ok to do casual non sanctioned events and just pay the store. Dont give konami yourself as a number they can put on a chart to show a content playerbase. You have let a game get hurt finacially and by success charts to see REAL change.

[@thekittenfreakify]

would find it interesting the case built against the short print.

[@detective_0267]

Imagine going mega neg on yugioh sets just to build a deck for locals........just to lose your dice rolls and lose to gimmick puppet turbo with a branded lost package

[@NE-BO]

The damage has already been done in the midwest. There isn't a single store within an hour drive that sells ygo products and no locals within a 2hr drive. everyone's switched to mtg in my area

[@kennydarmawan13]

To me, I think the best way to solve this issue is to stop forcing out chase cards, include full archetypal groups, make necessary cards common, and maybe include more cards per pack. At least MtG having more cards per pack means you need less packs to make a playable constructed deck.

[@leviathan5207]

Whilst we are having this conversation: WHERE ARE THE STRUCTURE DECKS, KONAMI?! A REALM OF LIGHT REPRINT AND A STARTER SET IN HALF A YEAR AIN'T GONNA CUT IT!

[@spicymemes7458]

It should have been the structure deck R for Lightsworn. That deck came out a decade ago and could have been a bigger thing to bring into the modern era like the new Dark World deck, but for some reason, they made it pack filler for LODE. There is no reason to reprint the old deck when it could have just been a whole new LS structure.

[@moonbljss]

We genuinely need this guy as the head of Konami. It's genuinely painful watching this video knowing that no one at Konami cares about this. Lowk I'm thinking of emailing this to every Konami email I can because they NEED to see this

[@TCG_Deck_Profile_Profiler]

Good points, but I am sure the community and creators already gave plenty of feedback, Konami just refuses to act again and again.

[@Seveinis]

The last sealed product I bought was rc01, before that 1 tin from 2018. I can’t believe this is the only tcg I do not buy sealed product from

[@Cstan55157]

I've always wondered how Pokemon profits given how low the expected value their boxes have.

[@thatlonewolfguy2878]

Because Pokemon is a household name so everyone from kids buying one or two packs a week to adults buying product to play at locals or relive their childhood/begin or add to a collection plus investors buying fuckloads of sealed product to sit on long-term, that's how they profit, just pure sales numbers from every group and age range

[@UmDevoto]

​@@thatlonewolfguy2878thats a lie.

[@UmDevoto]

Pokemon profits because the game "forces" the player to keep buying, other card games have to rely on investors(magic) nostalgia(yugioh) an so on

[@Slifer29]

I swear, man, you need to get a job with Konami because all of these ideas and suggestions are what can definitely save the game. And definitely ensure the future of the game

[@rdubtheislander238]

I bought two boxes of this set to get Ritual Beast cards. I pulled an assortment of 5 or 6 Ritual Beast cards out of all the packs in the box, and none of them were Spiritual Beast Tamer Lara. Everything new from this set that was Ritual Beast I had to get via trades from fellow players at my OTS, and 90% of the Ritual Beast core I had to buy online, including my playset of Lara. It's really sad that people have been allowed to get away with this since the TCG's inception, as it was like this during the Upper Deck era as well. (I don't think it was ever this bad though.) After Upper Deck lost the license to distribute YGO, many of Konami's employees here in North America were / are former Upper Deck employees.

[@grafzeppelin4069]

Battles of Legend: I'm Sorry, It's Terminal

[@huynghiepdu]

As a ocg player, tcg boxes are so bad bruh.

[@TheBearThatReads]

Konami on their way to do none of these suggestions because they think it's fine.