Why I didn't buy the Sony FX6 (Almost a review)

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[@damiencooper]

Holy Cow, you guys need to calm down ;). It's just a camera :D

[@MrOmniscience]

😆😆😆

[@TekTherapy]

Amen!

[@EmileModesitt]

The fact that you lose BOTH audio inputs when you remove the top handle and they didn't even put a 3.5mm jack on the body is what kills the usability of this camera for me. At least with the FS5, one of the xlr's was on the body. Such a stupid decision by Sony.

[@nrcgraphyofficial8682]

I can't be the only one that chuckled when he fingered the mic mount lol. Great video!

[@damiencooper]

haha, if that made you laugh, you need to check out our last video :D

[@GreatCassian]

The dynamic range depends if you have the "Noise Reduction" on or off. With noise reduction on the DR is at the level of the C70. With the noise reduction off the DR is about 1 Stop worse than the C70.

[@vincentduke7212]

I've been in the canon camp for a while and always end up being tempted to cross over to Sony land.. Price per feature Sony wins hands down. For me workflow wise one Canon is just what I'm used to and feels more organic to use. It's more or less a subjective reason why I would choose canon over Sony and at the end of the day. I like the Canon image so that keeps me fairly rooted.

[@damiencooper]

agree 100%

[@REWSMedia]

As someone who shot on Canon for a decade and owned the c300m3, c500m2 more recently I totally understand where you’re coming from. I actually bought and sold the fx6 3 times before I committed to it. Honestly, you need the camera for a month before you can really decide if it’s going to replace a system you’ve used for a decade. There’s a lot of little intricacies you take for granted but don’t realize until you try a new system. Change is hard. I had the same issue when I moved to a RED Gemini. Eventually after 3 months I was very comfortable but there’s no way I could have known after a couple weeks. The workflow is just very different.

[@dna8269]

How do you feel about the FX6 now? Pros/cons? Think you'll stay there?

[@allisonwalsh2964]

Yea! How do you feel now? Debating the same thing...

[@konzeptvideodesign6982]

The image alone is enough to stay team Canon but all the other little issues add up to big issues. Confirmation bias aside... I love my C70 and will buy another. Danka.

[@drizzle8927]

Lol you work is mediocre, why you have anything above $1500 is baffling.

[@konzeptvideodesign6982]

@@drizzle8927 I just started my video journey. And I'll keep going and try to learn as much as I can in spite of douchebag comments like yours. When you wake up tomorrow you're still gonna be a douchebag. I never implied I know anything. Give me time and I'll be killing it. And you'll still be a useless troll. But have a great day anyway.

[@heraldocreative4735]

Thanks for taking the time to do this comparison. Sounds like you have some pretty key things that prevent you from switching. I am currently a FX6 owner, but by no means do I latch on to brands (currently have Sony, Canon and Fujifilm in the cabinet depending on the job). Couple of things that stood out for me: 1. When you show the DR test you compare the much more expensive C300mkii vs FX6 instead of the C70 which is in the same price point and target audience for entry level cinema camera buyers. Do you know if the C70 with its DGO sensor and FX6 DR test are more comparable? 2. Another thing was if you tried using Phantom LUTS or Alister Chapman's LUTS? Those were the ones that convinced me right away that S-LOG3 was something that I could enjoy using, as opposed to anything pre A7sIII/A1/FX6/FX3 - those were impossible for me to work with.

[@damiencooper]

The lab test was C300III but the C70 has the exact same DR. My tests were strictly C70 vs FX6 and this also confirmed it. I did try the phantom luts. Also good, I still wasn’t convinced. Personal choice for sure. The 1 stop DR was def the biggest factor by far though

[@janvolbracht6362]

The c300 III and the C70 have the same sensor. The only difference is the raw that you get on the c300.

[@AlreadyTiredOfYou]

-SDI, this is not a small thing -using vintage lenses without the need of a speedbooster (wide angles can touch the glass on a speedbooster) -medium format video! (with 645 lenses w/speedbooster) -easier to shoulder mount -the side handle is just so convenient -catalyst browse makes this a great camera to use on a fpv drone setup -the evND and autoexposure using ND filter (you just didn't learn to use it) -the possibility to shoot prores RAW -it becomes easier to use EVF and/or wireless transmission system apart from your monitor (both hdmi and sdi available). Still, I'm trying to make up my mind completely about these two cameras. The possibility to use affordable cine zooms in 4k is very tempting.

[@damiencooper]

agreed. C70 vs FX6, I would take the Sony. C300III or C500II I would take the Canon

[@AlreadyTiredOfYou]

@@damiencooper well, those two are a different league, haha

[@SretloW]

I did use Sony and Canon and came to the same conclusion! The Sony cameras has a sort of sharpness I don’t like, love the “3D” rendering from the Canon cameras! And yes it’s personal but this is my taste, Canon looks more natural alive then flat sharp Sony.

[@vidfolio]

You are on point, but I still use sony because I found that producers prefer the name they know.... FX9/6 is now the magic word as the FS7 was for years. Also depends on your kind of business

[@damiencooper]

absolutely.. I haven't had that happen yet as it's mostly broadcasting work I think

[@bobsteinfinkel]

Mainly it's the look of the footage for me, I prefer the look of Canon. The only thing though that makes it tempting is that Sony's equipment just fits together seamlessly and caters to videographers. When you buy Canon, especially the mirrorless DSLRs, you are always making compromises and having to adjust your shooting to the capabilities of the cameras. Sony's cameras just work, and don't get in your way (ie. recording limits) like the Canons do.

[@chrishernandez2924]

I switched to canon exclusively for rf lenses. I have r5 c70 and komodo. R 5 image is okay but thr c70 is beautiful, great colors and very nice highlight roll off. I felt sony always was very muddy. Yes at then end you can fix all that but it just takes more time

[@jaymills1720]

Any videos comparing? I don’t see a difference

[@chrishernandez2924]

The cameras are same in level of quality. I'm saying that it just comes out more balanced on the canon. You have to work a bit harder for better colors on sony. But at the end they give same results. Canon is just a bit more organic to start off.

[@jaymills1720]

@@chrishernandez2924 real quick! Saw another video and heard the autofocus system in it. Wow. Any firmware to fix that. That’s beyond horrible. :(

[@chrishernandez2924]

The auto focus is kinda weird on c70 it is more manual to use when in auto focus. The sony auto focus is much better to use than c 70. For me leaving it in center works just fine. Face priority only looks for face and sometimes it's hunting too much. It also comes down to efficiency and what more important to you. But autofucs isn't bad it's just takes time to learn it

[@NathanKatash]

looks like you didnt overexposed the sony (at least +1.3) - and the natural phantom lut should work really good

[@damiencooper]

I actually did. Look a the waveforms. I’m at least one stop over. But the overall DR was still a stop less (also confirmed by lab tests).

[@glennparker8247]

Everyone knows you don't need to overexpose the new Sony line. That's old news.

[@NathanKatash]

@@glennparker8247 i own the fx3 and you have to overexpose more then 1 stop

[@Panzardi]

@@NathanKatash you don’t, you can expose middle gray to 0 and it will be perfect although overexposing doesn’t hurt and brings you above the noise in the shadows in lower light scenarios

[@adamouellette5971]

You need the spacer for mics dude....and it fits on a gimbal with the top handle....

[@damiencooper]

Top handle plus heavy lens and an XLR fable sticking out the side seems like too much for my RS2 setup.

[@CJKnowsTECH]

Yeah I favor Canon over Sony for a lot of the same reasons

[@josephryan5448]

@monkepixels I believe that you hit the nail on the head with this. I have shot with both systems and I have noticed that it takes more to get my Sony images to the same place as my Canon, or Panasonic. I know that it is possible but the work I have to put into it is unnecessary, relatively speaking. I really want to like the Sony brand but I just don't. They have the best features, most of the time, but lack in comparison when it comes to work flow, especially photos with people in them, than my other cameras. People are going to think this is sacrilege but do you man. Subjectively, I also agree that photo or video with people in them, you have to go another brand. Sony just doesn't cut it in comparison to all other brands, but this is subjective of course. Take care of yourself and don't let the tolls get you.

[@damiencooper]

absolutely agree!

[@damiencooper]

I really wanted to love that camera. But at the end of the day, it feels more like a side step than a step up!

[@Cinematographer_brenton]

Dude you should look into the c500mkii if you want your full frame fix, no crazy slow-motion, but the image quality is amazing in 6k raw!

[@drbeardo6960]

Agreed

[@pangchan8273]

The mic holder might be a common size that needs a rubber microphone spacer.

[@andrewtaylor5103]

Sounds like you good the auto ND would work better than any other auto exposure function. It doesn't. Also there are various settings to control how it operates, did you experiment with those?

[@damiencooper]

Not enough for sure. But that was definitely rather a side note than a compelling reason as I probably wouldn’t have used it much anyway as I can’t afford the camera messing up on a lot of my doc shoots

[@robjackson6553]

I switched from C300 mkII and C200 to FX6 and FX3 a few months ago. Pretty happy about it. The biggest things for me are how lightweight the Sony stuff is and the silent native Sony lenses. OSS (Sony's image stablization) and AF are silent unlike my old Canon EF lenses which were LOUD! This is a big deal for handheld run and gun work when I'm relying on my on-board shotgun mic and when I love using the OSS of the 24-105 f4. That is my preferred way of shooting. Curious though if Canon RF lenses are a lot more quiet than EF?

[@damiencooper]

oh that makes sense! I hardly ever use AF and I rarely shoot in the dark. If I was, the FX6 would have been the one! RF lenses are dead silent. But so is my 16-35 2.8 III actually.

[@moc1911]

What are your other favorite lenses on the FX6/FX3? I’m thinking of getting the 28-135 servo zoom instead of the 24-105. Heavier, yes. But great to have servo zoom for events. In some cases the added weight could actually be helpful for the added stability. Also have to compare the 24-70 2.8 vs a super zoom? Do I need both? Tough question.

[@robjackson6553]

@@moc1911 I have the 16-35 f2.8, 35 f1.4 and 70-200 f4. I like them all. Love how lightweight the 35 and 70-200 are. People don't like the focus breathing on the 35 prime but it hasn't bothered my too terribly much. Not sure about the other two you mentioned. There is a "Clear Image Zoom" feature and rocker bars on both the handle and grip that allow you to basically do "servo-style zooms" without a servo lens. It's kinda cool, though I usually just do slow punch ins in post if need be.

[@MikeEdwardsphotography]

Canon has been good to me. I’ve entertained the idea of switching fully to Sony. That decision couldn’t be justified. Like you, I too feel like the images out of Canon are just more pleasing to the eye. Fortunately for us, we’ve been able to build our Canon arsenal of bodies and lenses, so making the switch would be a bit too daunting. Especially since we’ve already done it before by switching from Nikon to Canon. 😂

[@SW-si2yw]

Lightwave minimount for fixing the micro

[@trondhelgehie6771]

💯% Agree! I came to the same conclusion, an did by the C70.. Hand have a R5C on the way. And i love the RF glass!

[@miltontan]

I have used both the C70 and the A7S III which has the same sensor as the FX6, and what you said about the dynamic range is true. The C70 has so much more dynamic range especially in the shadows. Unlike any camera I've seen before, from RED to blackmagic to panasonic. None of the cameras have the amount of shadow detail like the C70.

[@damiencooper]

Exactly. That was my biggest reason for sure!

[@glennparker8247]

Thats called confirmation bias.

[@dna8269]

@@glennparker8247 Or maybe its just true.

[@SW-si2yw]

Lightwave minimoung for micro fix

[@brunofdgoncalves]

FX6 is a very strange (maybe shamefull for it's tier) camera in terms of DR; what is strange is that an FX6 or FX9 that are the higher tier of Sony Cinema cameras have LESS usable dynamic range than an FX3/A7SIII which is a shame for a cinema camera. C70 is the best you can get in that price range but it also has it's downsides like loosing saturation on highlights, only Eletronic stabilization and no EVF. Here's a list of DR of several cameras (from Gerald Undone tests on several videos) Canon C70 - (C-Log 2) - 13 stops A7SIII - HLG 3 (100 ISO) - 13 stops Canon C300 mkII - C-Log2 (ISO800) - 12.8 stops Sony FX9 - S-Log 3 (ISO800) - 11.5 stops Sony FX6 - S-log3 - 11.3 stops Sony A7III - S-Log2 (800ISO) - 11.3 stops Canon R5 - C-Log (ISO400) - 11 stops Canon R6 - Canon Log1 (400 ISO) - 10,5 stops Dynamic range is one of those things that can't be corrected later and gives that professional look, some other characteristics have workarounds.

[@Angelo_Paduraru]

So why the heck canon say c70 have 16 stops dr, Sony a7siii 15 stops..?! Anyway R5 in clog 11 stops but now have clog3 what have better dynamic range than clog (1) and in 8k raw R5 use clog2 what have the best dynamic range.

[@brunofdgoncalves]

They might be refering to photo DR due to its RAW capabilities or total DR of vídeo which sometimes means sacrificing image quality. Gerald undone calls it Usable DR.

[@MikeEdwardsphotography]

Sheesh Sony Fanboys are offended. The guy is simply sharing his opinions. It’s ok to have a difference of opinion. Good work Mr. Cooper.

[@f0t0b0y]

They sound like trump supporters.

[@AdamLevins1]

Good luck even finding a FX6 to buy. Still back ordered everywhere. I have VERY happy with both mine which I got in Jan and paid themselves off in about a month. Horses for courses.

[@damiencooper]

My local dealer had two 🙈

[@AdamLevins1]

@@damiencooper I should say good luck finding one in the USA. Anyways, good video. I don’t agree with all the points but gear is very subjective. Happy shooting!

[@rw3452]

Useful info! Especially the dynamic range and real world usage.

[@damiencooper]

DR was my biggest factor for sure

[@TekTherapy]

Now I can empty my basket and save tons of Cash not switching to Sony. 😂 Fun aside... I was in the same boat a while back and did heaps of research. Tried out the FX3 and FX6 and I can replicate most of what you experienced. It is off course a matter of Workflow and what someone is used to as well i guess. But definitely sticking with my C70 for the forseaable future! Thanks for the effort with the Review.

[@damiencooper]

If I had to choose FX6 vs C70 I would probably go FX6 as it covers more ground. But with the C300III I'D rather stick to Canon

[@TekTherapy]

@@damiencooper One of the things the put me off, is video formats. I do really enjoy the H265 Files of the C70. That aside well the old Canon versus Sony Color Science debate.. Which in my case I still prefer the "Canon Colors".

[@photographyRI]

@@damiencooper this interests me - why in this scenario fx6?

[@damiencooper]

@@photographyRI in which scenario? Only one camera? SDI outs, external RAW and full frame

[@photographyRI]

@@damiencooper I use a C200 and I’m debating the next step. The C300mk3 is too big an investment for what I need at the moment so I’m trying to figure out if the fx6 offers enough value to make it interesting . But, like you, I’ve owned some Sony cameras (for photo) and dialing in the image was too much work. C70 lack of raw - I don’t know how much I will care as I use RAW for c200 all the time. Also, the screens on c70 breaking loose concern me.

[@waynosfotos]

If the C70 had a full frame sensor and better build quality it would be brilliant. Then you could take advantage of the RF glass as designed. But canon fo some reason didn't. I have been looking at this camera and can't justify the price over a hybrid. With the booster it is dearer than the R3, which has everything accept NDs

[@Siimkristjanpariis]

Its strange that it doesnt have different 10bit codec options. My a7siii is able to shoot both xavc-i(all intra) and xavc-s(long gop) in 4k50 422 10bit(maybe also in 4k100, i dont remember). I kinda expected fx6 has all the good stuff a7siii has and some extras. The long gop takes a bit more pressure on my 2 years old computer but it saves a lot of space if needed.

[@divisionoflabor3070]

Canon needs to update the C70 for raw. BRAW would be amazing. You're really selling me on the c70. It seems like a tasty camera for narrative films

[@adamouellette5971]

The XLR expander is not a rumor. Sony themselves said they are making it.

[@damiencooper]

nice! I would've needed it now though for the job I'm currently on

[@arambaali]

Any updates on this? I can't seem to find anything online. It's very intriguing indeed, and would tip the scales in favor of the FX6 for me.

[@henrynaulak1254]

Yes... Totally agreed. It looks like a camcorder from the 90'. I hate it. Untill and unless they do something about that camcorder looking design. i am not giing to buy.

[@Valleedbrume]

I think from a ROI perspective it makes sense to stick with Canon.You in there eco system so use it.I’m heavily invested in Sony with my GM lenses,so it’s a no brainer to stick with Sony.Is one better than the other? Canon and Sony are always neck on neck,with Sony slightly ahead.Use the tools you have and shoot great video,irrespective of the brand.

[@damiencooper]

totally agree. That being said, I ended up buying a RED :D

[@Valleedbrume]

@@damiencooper I hear the sensor is fantastic on the Red X

[@leventebaumann6001]

GREAT REVIEW!

[@nicklennox]

Very interesting review. We shoot on the c70 and fx6 regularly and often cut footage together. I would say they both have strengths and weaknesses depending on the situation. They are both fantastic cameras and you can’t go wrong with either. Side note. Can you link me to the canon conversion luts? Thanks

[@damiencooper]

exactly my point! www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/support/details/cameras/cinema-eos/eos-c300-mark-iii-digital-cinema-camera?tab=drivers_downloads

[@nicklennox]

@@damiencooper legendary thank you. Keep up the great work.

[@weikin3899]

Canon c70 autofocus isn't perfect though,sony fx6 manual autofocus is cranky,fx6 doesn't fit run&gun at all

[@loudandclearmedia]

Great video brother, but oh boy, you've got some heat comin' your way...lol. In my past couple videos I've called out the A7Siii for being "mediocre," and have gotten a LOT of pushback over that (even though I own one too). Dudes just can't accept that a camera they own may not be the best camera out there. It's crazy how tribal people get over this stuff. I shoot RED, Sony, and Blackmagic, and would have no problem shooting Canon either...it's just not the way my system has gone. Cameras are tools, and as you so eloquently pointed out, it needs to make business sense above all else. I don't acknowledge which label a camera has painted on it...to me, it's a hammer, and different hammers are good for driving different nails.

[@KofiYeboah]

You’re a better man than me as I actually went off the ledge and got the fx6 & fx3 not really image related reasons , just I live in a town where a lot of freelance projects preferred sony 😅

[@damiencooper]

yeah you said. And you really can't go wrong with Sony.. But don't you have the biggest Canon ambassador in your town? ;)

[@KofiYeboah]

@@damiencooper to be fair , how many projects on something like the c70 Have you seen them make 😅 also the person in question I think is the only canon shooter in their friend group 😅

[@damiencooper]

@@KofiYeboah haha, that might actually be true ;) Let's just all buy a red

[@emilsoberbro36]

interesting to hear different opinions... canon fans will mostly use the " canon colours" argument all the time :P anyhow. and anyway...there is a reason the vast majority of professionals in media and tv use sony not canon... for one does it all camera that is... other than that you choose the right tool for the project....and c300 mk3 and c70 are great tools...

[@simonehrenheim4448]

Think this is more a user problem...

[@BrogenDavis33]

Why don't you try blackmagic? I am a Sony user for all my client work. And I was thinking about the Ursa 12k!

[@BrogenDavis33]

It's very ugly looking but seems like it has everything!

[@damiencooper]

been there! Switched back to Canon for a lot of reasons

[@dna8269]

@@damiencooper A video on that would be good. Would love to know why you switched from Blackmagic.

[@damiencooper]

@@dna8269 I have a video about black magic pocket worth it in 2021. I touch on most reasons why I’m not using it anymore

[@burgunbeerd]

You can very easily balance the fx6 with top handle on the rs2 that you use

[@damiencooper]

really? Seems very unbalanced with the cable sticking out the side as well. But good to know!

[@JAXTWIN]

I can tell that you’re shooting on the Sony FX6 in this video. The A cam definitely feels like it. Am I right or am I right?

[@damiencooper]

you are ... wrong :D It was shot on the C300III

[@JAXTWIN]

@@damiencooper (Sighs) Welp, looks like I’ll be saving up for a Canon cinema camera now. I think it’s time to give in to Canon. Awesome video by the way!

[@town3]

I'm sorry but this whole video was confusing at best. Why would you insinuate that you're about to switch ALL of your camera gear with a camera you've never even touched before? There was too many things You said that was contradicting, baffling and theres way too much of these type of clickbait KZbinrs on KZbin you don't have to go there. You can do better than this. If you love Canon great but please stop the underline hating it pours out of your mouth with two different tongues..

[@glennparker8247]

It's all about views for these guys

[@damiencooper]

your statement makes no sense.. I switched from Sony to Canon, then Blackmagic, then Canon again. I am pretty familiar with most systems. I love the FX6 when it comes to features and specs. So on paper it wins over pretty much everything canon offers especially with the price tag. But using it, there were so many little things that would've made the switch a lateral move rather than a step up. That's why I didn't buy the camera

[@town3]

@@glennparker8247 Yes this video made it pretty clear.

[@MegaUltraSuperDuable]

New firmware v2.0 is now out for the FX6 with new features

[@damiencooper]

I know. I’m still contemplating 😂

[@mikeyfl]

Cinematch basically makes Sony look like anything Arri Alexa, Canon c300, etc.

[@donnieyen4]

You can just buy an fx6 and a7s3 for the gimbal shot… same sensor.

[@damiencooper]

not really. FX3 maybe closer. From what I've seen the A7SIII has a whole different color scheme

[@dna8269]

@@damiencooper Really? Looks very similar to me in post with a minor tint shift

[@drbeardo6960]

Canon: colours and ease of use

[@damiencooper]

and Dynamic range apparently ;)

[@drbeardo6960]

@@damiencooper Yess Boss Forgot that😉

[@nelsontan1684]

Good to know about file size, I always shoot ipb lite on my R5 and it still 422 10bit, but size is comparable other other cam shooting 420 8 bit. But yeah embrace for angry Sony hoard😅

[@seragram]

Thanks for sharing. No sony for me.

[@moc1911]

Autofocus and variable eND are the game changers for me. Plus the price difference is big.

[@damiencooper]

very good points. The fact it only goes up to 7 instead of 10 is a deal breaker for me currently shooting in Mexiko, traveling to Vegas next

[@dna8269]

The price difference isn't big...?

[@drizzle8927]

ehh, Just from the comments alone. Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion. but 95% of you don't have the content to back up your complaints. How much dynamic range do you need to shoot your dog running in the yard LOL no camera is perfect, everyone has their own needs. But i notice the trend of these hobbyist picking apart every detail but ya'll shoot bugs on a flower, some mediocre "dealership" video or some random person in your family staring in the lens. FX6 seems comfortable for handheld, amazing image quality, and the ease of use with internal ND filters and auto focus. At the end of the day, does you footage have a feeling? are you great at your craft? Because these cameras are just tools, that help make the the thought a reality, for yourself or the client.

[@dna8269]

Very true. I've noticed that the people that are usually debating gear the most, on average, are the ones with the worst content/videos/films/whatever.

[@drizzle8927]

@@dna8269 100%

[@AstralxProd]

If you're buying a $6000 cinema camera I'm going to assume you're shooting professional shoots, not your dog.

[@LionOfKingston]

Better with canon

[@Dr.Vassilev]

Compleatly agree with you - the biggest problem are sony colours! That's why i selled my sony a7sIII and going with C70:)

[@damiencooper]

can't go wrong with the C70

[@adamouellette5971]

Grasping for any minor reason why you don't like it. Let's be real you just rented it to make this video.

[@damiencooper]

If that's what you think you don't know me at all :D I already switched from Canon to Sony, back to Canon, to Blackmagic and back to Canon :D I just buy whatever does the best job! If it would've been Sony, I would've switched again. Especially now that Canon is changing all it's lenses anyway

[@Panzardi]

While I understand the points you made, some of the things you mentioned are just nit picky as hell haha

[@f0t0b0y]

9:05 She has such a cool look!

[@JohnAdorjan]

You are missing out. The FX6 is extraordinary.