Dog Boxing - Fuzhou Groundfighting Kung Fu - Masters of Fujian bonus clip

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@MonkeyStealsPeach 5 жыл бұрын

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@SI-ln6tc 4 жыл бұрын

I hope you do one in "Tiger China na"(seen some video on it) and one on Monkey style. I think both styles roll on the floor a lot.

@jeng6876 4 жыл бұрын

Hi. Hope you are well. When I follow the link to your shop it doesn't show me any merch.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 4 жыл бұрын

Hey! Click refresh a couple of times and they should show up. I don’t know why it does that sometimes

@Zack1440 3 жыл бұрын

The sweep at 5:38, the lock at 6:45 and the takedown at 7:15 are useful. You have great content man.

@kirvin2 Жыл бұрын

This looks like the ground fighting in Harimou Silat, that's also included in Mande Muda Silat. The applications look exactly the same.

@brokeheartwolf3733 4 жыл бұрын

🙏🏻Thank You. Back years ago there were quite a few illustrated books on the style. I think there was a good book in English too. Don’t know if they are still around. Take Care Everyone!

@brokeheartwolf3733 4 жыл бұрын

Billy Bob Thornton heard a Who you are most kind but at this time no need.🙏🏻

@Atlasburn 4 жыл бұрын

@Billy Bob Thornton heard a Who Please do upload. I'd love to have some additional resources on this style.

@StewartJones-v7h 2 жыл бұрын

That looks like what Rocky does in the street fight in V: kind of the arm hook to the leg for the takedown, is what he does in the film.

@valmontmoore8301 4 жыл бұрын

there is a old movie called the leg fighters with Tan Tiao Liang who has the most beautiful kicks I ever seen. Just go to the final fight his enemy is a white haired master who is nice with dog boxing.

@abrahamlincoln6201 3 жыл бұрын

Could you look at more of the forms of dog boxing

@XX-uz2tc Жыл бұрын

You learn this with some bjj and you will be dangerous. Also I read once that this is called dog style because in China you are considered a inferior like a dog to fight like this which makes more sense than it actually being influenced by a dog.

@wolf-dogninjasenpai4312 5 ай бұрын

When I first found out about the Dog Fist Style, I was in pure bliss!

@fardhidahmed6003 3 жыл бұрын

was jesse enkamp the camera man?

@jdavidchrisman9295 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting - thanks for sharing!

@dppin97 2 жыл бұрын

the 6:35 one looks almost like a star sweep or sth like that! i guess there's nth new under the sun. this is pretty cool!

@76kamikazi 4 жыл бұрын

I read Robert W Smith book way back in the 70ths called Kung Fu masters and methods a excellent book on different Kung fu styles, and this was one of the rare styles that he mentioned in the book.

@maxsette80 Жыл бұрын

Is there any live sparring footage using this techniques?

@JivecattheMagnificent Жыл бұрын

My guess would be that these guys don't do any sparring.

@MuShinMartialCulture 4 жыл бұрын

Great introduction!

@basilfrench261 7 ай бұрын

It seems to be a gentle art meant to discourage attackers. Like a rolling game system. Nice.

@TheShaolin015 4 жыл бұрын

I know it must be super awkward going to all these different masters of different styles saying “it’s simple, just like that, theirs nothing the opponent can do”. Their heads must be off the charts huge.

@charlesbetancourt7337 4 жыл бұрын

Traditionally The most important lesson I learned from the head of my kungfu school is "never call yourself master" Also what this video needs is less stand and talk demonstration and sparring.

@charlesbetancourt7337 4 жыл бұрын

More demonstration and sparring needed. Less stand and talk

@arbogast4950 4 жыл бұрын

@@charlesbetancourt7337 Yes, my instructor always called himself a student

@roycehuepers4325 9 ай бұрын

@@arbogast4950 I call myself a pathfinder. I'll keep making my path, and if you wanna join me, great, here's what I know. But if you feel you're ready to forge your own path, I ain't gonna stop ya, and I'll thank you for the lessons you gave me to make my path better

@mongolchiuud8931 4 жыл бұрын

Basically dog style has no real counters to "actual" common attacks like rear naked chokes, bulldog chokes etc etc nor any real counters to common holds and locks one would usually see in a street fight.....

@Elijah.willfight 2 жыл бұрын

I love this style. Wow!

@dipayandey5372 4 жыл бұрын

I have never seen dog style kung fu . Thank you very much to make a video about dog style kung fu. I have a question. Is black tiger kung fu northern style? Is black tiger kung fu internal kung fu or external kung fu ? Please reply me when you can.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 4 жыл бұрын

I think it is just a form within northern longfist. There are so many styles though I could be wrong

@pernologos84 4 жыл бұрын

Imho this is just like techniques from the ground, the movements in the form where all similar to what you usually find in Chinese styles while lying on the ground, breakfalls included. In 7* mantis for example we have some basic moves with the double broadsword on the ground. I believe these techniques are better employed when fighting from the ground because you have fallen, going voluntarily to the ground is imho not the best tactic.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 4 жыл бұрын

Yea, there is ground work in Mantis as you mentioned, its contained in Zhai Yao part 7. And its mostly for falling safely, protecting yourself while vulnerable on the ground, and getting back up quickly

@peterwang5660 4 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach You know I think one thing that is very telling about the mystery of groundfighting being nonexistent in Kung Fu or at least what we can still access today, the standup/getup techniques in Sanda is part of what makes it unique out of all modernized kickboxing styles, along with of course the preference to trap the kick instead of blocking it.

@TheChinafighters 4 жыл бұрын

Imanari Roll!!!!!!

@senecaknowsbest8380 3 жыл бұрын

Smith mentions Dog Boxing in Chinese Boxing Masters and Methods

@garyslinn 4 жыл бұрын

still interesting. Thank you

@markherron3067 3 жыл бұрын

Did you get to ask if the 三战 has any ties to crane style? Seemed to be a lot of crane like finger strikes at the beginning for a ground work style.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 3 жыл бұрын

Didn't get much chance to ask about anything tbh

@tokorojj 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. Very interesting. Any idea of how old this style is?

@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH 4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting video, never seen anything quite like it. I have a question, Monkey Steals Peach: why do you think there's such a lack of ground fighting styles in China? is it the martial context that never allowed for it, or is it that it died out?

@MonkeyStealsPeach 4 жыл бұрын

Well there were quite a few groundfighting styles historically, you can still find some now although the quality tends to be quite low. But it has never been the main way to fight, its always been something of a niche... being on the ground isn’t a good idea when groups of opponents or weapons are involved

@VanishingNomad 3 жыл бұрын

I can explain this one. Chinese martial arts descended from the military. Empty hand was for if you got disarmed. The idea was to get in close as quick as you can, before you get gutted by the enemies sword or spear, and throw them as hard and with as much damage as possible. Chinese soldiers historically carried a boot knife as back up. Thats why you see the move where they touch or brush their ankle in many forms. They are symbolizing pulling the boot knife. The idea was to throw them, then do a hard knee drop on something soft, like the rib cage, or throat or neck, and then butcher them as hard and brutally and as quickly as possible with your boot knife, without actually going down to the ground yourself. This is so you can be back on your feet and mobile as fast as possible. You and your military unit are in a battle surrounded by enemy soldiers. No time to do anything but ventilate the enemy, pick your weapon back up (or another one), and keep fighting. If you look at the Dog Boxing shown, the scenario is that you have just been taken down, the enemy is standing over you, and you have one last ditch chance at not dying in the next 2 to 4 seconds.

@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH 3 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach in the time since I posted the comment above, I have come to this realisation as well--ground fighting isn't very common in Chinese martial arts, but locks and chokes are in no shortage--they are merely executed standing up!

@RRRRRAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH 3 жыл бұрын

@@VanishingNomad wow thank you for providing additional context! What should I look into if I want to learn more about this? Also do you have any forms in mind specifically when you mention the ankle brushing?

@senecaknowsbest8380 3 жыл бұрын

Chinese made a point of creating a very stable base so they couldn’t be taken down and most regular martial arts were just that, martial, which mean soldiers on a battlefield. They all had long range weapons. If they fell over they’d be speared or maced immediately. Same as Romans, Greeks, Persians. Even japanese soldiers. Grappling and swords were the absolute last resort. Arrows, spears, and then rifles were obviously preferred. Swords were like a modern soldiers knife or pistol. Deployed only when every other long range weapon was useless even when clearing structures. Unless sneaking up behind someone with a knife, nobody cleared a room with a knife drawn. Flash bang, grenade, automatic rifles, etc.

@TonyPstunts 4 жыл бұрын

Jessy doesn’t seem convinced

@philiposedumme6648 2 жыл бұрын

The Shoalin monks do dog style and it doesn't look like this. Someone was speaking in Hokkien. I used to do Hokkien Kuntao Mantis with a Master called Gerry Tan. Is he from that area in Malaysia or Indonesia and does he know of this style?😀

@James-wd9ib 2 жыл бұрын

I didn't know Enkamp was in this video...

@СтаргэйтСтаргэйтов 4 жыл бұрын

I thought that San Zhan Taolu is only in Crane stules and Karate, it is very strangely look at San Zhan in Gou stule, well it will be more interesting to look more applications video because i heared that Gou stule had a lot of high stance applications to.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 4 жыл бұрын

Almost all Fujian styles have Sanzhan, and a lot of Hakka styles have it under a different name, look at Southern Mantis and Bak Mei for example

@teovu5557 4 жыл бұрын

San zhan is in fujian lohan and fujian tiger systems...in fact it's in most fujian systems...

@jadenng7569 3 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach There are some Fujian styles that do not have San Zhan in their curriculum, but yes, the majority of them contain their own variation of San Zhan.

@deleqtronica8733 3 жыл бұрын

Everyone talks like they’re a grappling/BJJ expert nowadays, 10 years ago you’ll be hard-pressed to find someone who didn’t think it was “weird/gay”. MMA has revolutionized and changed how people see grappling.

@ZetaMagnus 3 жыл бұрын

This is wrong because every country in the world has offered grappling as a part of it's heritage for thousands of years: Folkstyle (U.S.); Lucha Libre (Mexico); Lutra Livre (Brazil); Pale (Greece); Kushti (Iran); Greco-Roman (France); Schwingen (Switzerland), Shuai Jiao (China); Ssireum (Korea); Sumo, Ju-Jutsu, Judo (Japan); Shima and Tegumi (Okinawa); Sambo (Russia); etc etc etc. Each and everyone of these styles is older than Brazilian Ju-Jitsu. The lineage of BJJ was Japanese Ju-Jutsu --> Judo + Lutra Livre = Brazilian Ju-Jitsu which is just a focus an expansion of Kodokan Judo's Ne-Waza. The only people who thought it was homo-erotic was man-babies who were insecure in their heterosexuality.

@icaro_a14 Жыл бұрын

@@ZetaMagnus as a brazilian i can confirm that we do not have luta livre as our heritage, but capoeira and some indigenous styles, and as for "greco roman (france)" only the name of the style implies that the origin is essentially greek

@ZetaMagnus Жыл бұрын

@@icaro_a14 Thank you for the information, Brother. 🙇‍♂️

@jacobharris954 8 ай бұрын

@@icaro_a14 sambo was created near same time as bjj

@markherron3067 3 жыл бұрын

People in Fujian are, in my experience, some of the most welcoming and hospitable in China. Some might say more traditional then those living in more developed parts (where they perhaps have more experience of foreigners as well). So disappointing that you got this response, but I can also understand why.

@MonkeyStealsPeach 3 жыл бұрын

Erm.... Fujian is one of the most developed and modern provinces in China

@Alexander-rd7bi 2 жыл бұрын

@@MonkeyStealsPeach Simple, they think their techniques are valuable, thus no reason to just share them all for free.

@Anonymous-yh4ol 3 жыл бұрын

IT SEEMED LIKE THE IMANARI ROLL...

@CraneHandTigerSpirit 4 жыл бұрын

To be honest. It kind of just looks like a mix of crane, monkey and other shaolin styles in terms of form but someone just named it Dog Boxing to be unique.

@倪文瑄 2 жыл бұрын

it was a mixture of styles tailored to help female nuns who were prior victims of footbinding fight with effectiveness, since footbinding made them unable to stand properly or for very long, hence the floor grappling moves.

@Livingtree32 2 жыл бұрын

@@倪文瑄 Source?

@peterwang5660 4 жыл бұрын

Alex talked about Chin Na too or something.

@obsidianx01 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone is scared to be ridiculed

@GothamKnight84661 4 жыл бұрын

Include you?

@obsidianx01 4 жыл бұрын

@@GothamKnight84661 no... I don't really care ... I was just commenting why Chinese martial artist dont like to put there stuff out there

@frankdesouzaoliveirasouza2458 3 жыл бұрын

I LIKE IT MY GRAND MASTER

@huzhuiwei 4 жыл бұрын

Do you think this comes from fighting with cutlass and shield?

@TheChinafighters 4 жыл бұрын

Imanari Roll

@senecaknowsbest8380 3 жыл бұрын

Going to ground should never be voluntary because another can come upon you and stomp your skull to mush while you are choking out the guy under you or on top of you. This is only a one on one art. Other arts use tactics that deal with multiple attackers or when guiding a dignitary through a crowd, etc. assuming you don’t have a weapon. Every legit form can be done with or without traditional weapons - knives, spikes, spears, swords, clubs, sticks, etc. And then do it with different weapons in each hand.

@Zack1440 4 жыл бұрын

This is an incredibly useful system for restraining/immobilizing an opponent.

@Valenciasart 3 жыл бұрын

the karate nerd awesome!

@morpheus3128 2 жыл бұрын

These guys would be crushed by a middle school wrestler. Dog Boxing is not a system of fighting but rather a collection of techniques that have been passed along in a very contrived manner. You can certainly pull some interesting concepts from this but please don't think that this by itself will save you in any kind of real fight.

@jacobharris954 8 ай бұрын

Same as wrestling and BJJ,most bjj could not grapple judo guys

@jackm2293 Жыл бұрын

Karate nerd asked good question.

4 жыл бұрын

THAAAAAAANK YOU :D

@yeout4386 3 жыл бұрын

i would like to traon with the english gus

@viperman2454 4 жыл бұрын

That was an interesting style. The problem was not that this master was not open. The camera guy has his hand in his pocket, looks and acts bored. Plus, has a camera on the guy and no one wants to be a performing monkey to do tricks especially for free. There is an art to getting someone to share their art with you and from what I see from the footage the person asking questions just was the master to perform. Then he asks about a bjj choke. Obviously, from seeing his movements this master does not do grappling. So a question was wasted on something that should be obvious. What they were showing to them was grappling. So it was worth seeing and actually if you ask the teacher the right way and at least pretend to be interested maybe he would have showed more.

@markherron3067 3 жыл бұрын

There's more than 1 camera and the guy with his hands on his pockets (Jessie) asks good questions. The bjj question came from the Alex who asked in the local dialect. So there's another level of culture that you're ignoring, as the coach didn't give much detail to someone who might live near by and practice another martial art. Maybe don't be so quick to criticise when there's maybe more going on than you might realise.