Monster Booster Raised From Deep Sea By SpaceX - Deep Space Updates September 25th

[@SubVet84]

That drone footage of the failed landing was spectacular!!! I wish all companies and agencies would do something like that (using the drone, not the crashing)!

[@cube2fox]

I hope SpaceX sees the footage and provides similar footage when trying to catch the Starship booster during flight test 5 in a few months.

[@Xeroxiv]

too close to the rocket for my taste

[@RidleyMMA]

It looks so CGI!

[@alexchan3287]

SpaceX would definitely need more time to create a camera that can blur the sun out without brightness correction, and a drone that doesn't cast a shadow.

[@takanara7]

@@RidleyMMA I actually thought it was CG the first time I saw it then I realized that the explosion and smoke, etc looked extremely realistic. That type of thing is the most difficult to render realistically. Also there would be no way a rocket company would spend a ton of money to make an ultra-realistic render of their rocket blowing up, lol (and if someone did they did they wouldn't release a low-rez artifact-filled version of the video)

[@protocol6]

How did everyone miss the new thruster failure? During the press briefing after it landed, they said a hypergolic reentry attitude control thruster on the capsule had failed; a new and separate issue from the failures of the service module thrusters. Also, the primary and secondary guidance systems experienced temporary failures. It sounded like they had to reboot them. It landed safely but it was a hair's breath from not doing so.

[@Fannystark007]

Thanks for telling this. I hipe Scott is scanning his comment sections with AI

[@strcmdrbookwyrm]

I think the reason no one is talking about the thruster failure and navigation system failures is because they aren't actually a big deal. Having to restart programs on spaceflights is nothing new, I'd only be concerned if it had failed to restart. It should also be noted that the thruster that failed was only 1 of 12, meaning there was probably enough redundancy for this to be an inconvenience at best. Personally, I think people pushing this are too focused on the "Boeing Bad" narrative, and don't know that the thruster in question was made by Aerojet Rocketdyne, not Boeing.

[@protocol6]

@@strcmdrbookwyrm I wasn't bashing Boeing. I didn't even mention them. I was just trying to correct the misinformation being spread by multiple KZbinrs who should know better. Stating that there were no additional thruster failures is clearly wrong based on the presser after it landed. And I did know that Boeing didn't make the engines. It sounds like some of the issues are integration-related, though, so it's still unclear who dropped the ball. Multiple failures lead to catastrophes. A loss of a completely different unrelated thruster as well as losing, even if only temporarily, both the primary and secondary guidance systems adds to the unnervingly long list of independent failures on this mission. I hope they can track down and fix all of them because SpaceX needs some real competition and it's going to be awhile before Dream Chaser gets a human rated variant.

[@skipper2285]

"How Kerbal is that?" A rocket making a textbook approach, almost there...almost there...and then a mosquito buzzes in your ear and you lose concentration just long enough to miss that final landing burn and SPLAT! engine rich combustion.

[@williamcampbell9859]

"engine rich combustion" is a funny way to refer to engine failure during flight, wherein the engine burns itself up. It's not applicable to crashes.

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

To put things into perspective... Scott's OceanGate video is his FOURTH most-viewed video with 3.8m viewes, _and it's only been out 6 days!_ The others: 3y with 3.9m, 5y with 4.5m, and 10y with 4.7m! Nipping at the heels of 3rd...

[@petergerdes1094]

Don't almost all views occur within a week of release?

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

@@petergerdes1094 That, I have no idea about. I wager it depends on a number of factors, but ordinarily, it wouldn't surprise me if that's true for a lot of videos. His 10y old video, I doubt that's the case, and I'm sure it was only in the hundreds of thousands, slowly gaining the rest over time

[@tippyc2]

@@petergerdes1094 for news-related stuff, yeah. Not everything holds to that pattern

[@DebraJean196]

I was waiting for it!

[@bbartky]

I’m not surprised since it’s really good and Scott addresses the questions most people have asking. *EDIT* Forgot the word “good”.

[@MrMakulit1959]

intercontinental pizza delivery system, The capsule doubles as a pizza oven

[@scottmanley]

I did the math on cooking a turkey this way a couple of years ago

[@SebSN-y3f]

​​@@scottmanleyabsolut great video about!!! 😊😊😊

[@Jatheus]

"So, you're telling me there's a chance." Is a line from Dumb & Dumber, when one character wants a girl, and she tells him it's not going to happen. He asks what the odds are, like one in a thousand? She replies, more like one in a million. To which he excitedly replies, so you're telling me there's a chance!

[@DUKE_of_RAMBLE]

Came to say this! 🍻 Great quote. _Great_ movie.

[@davidhuber6251]

I really enjoyed Jeff Daniels going from that movie to NASA administrator in The Martian and totally pulling it off. Quite an actor.

[@ws6002]

Don't you mean Pretty in Pink with Molly Ringwald starring?

[@Sembazuru]

The name felt very Culture (Ian M. Banks) like Musk likes to use for the recovery barges. But looking through a couple lists of Culture ship names I couldn't find that name.

[@ryanmartin8557]

Finally someone on this channel who has some useful knowledge.

[@bridgecross]

That drone footage of the landing was spectacular

[@w0ttheh3ll]

very kerbal

[@a.p.2356]

The footage from the Qaem 100 launch was also pretty wild. I don't think I've ever seen one chasing the rocket up like that.

[@famlrnamemssng]

Same with the footage of the launch

[@jcdavis5871]

They need to work for SpaceX😂imagine that for a Starship??

[@famlrnamemssng]

@@jcdavis5871 I mean, Starship is doing it but bigger. And whilst being caught by a giant crane

[@krnt13]

19 people in orbit is a literally out of this world record...

[@TinchoX]

I see what you did there

[@davecrupel2817]

Not wrong.

[@keiranmcmanus]

That "fly safe" was just a touch sinister.

[@patrickunderwood5662]

Scott’s “fly safe” signoffs have gotten a lot more… heartfelt lately. And I completely understand why.

[@paulbarnett227]

"So, you're telling me there's a chance" is a Dumb and Dumber reference.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

Is it a reference to Blue Origin and SpaceX? (Or specifically their founders.)

[@dbaider9467]

Oh, very good. So it is...

[@paulbarnett227]

@@AnonymousFreakYT 🤣🤣

[@MichaelOBoyle-x2p]

I came here to say this. Like one in a million

[@DrWhom]

w know

[@gl_tonight]

"It proceeded to fall-down, break a leg, and fall over." Feel you brother, been there 🤝

[@owensmith7530]

Starliner had a navigation issue during its return to earth, something about not knowing where it was or switching off before recovering. This has received insufficient coverage.

[@unitrader403]

well, on the other hand starliner having issues is no newsworthy anymore at this point..

[@Starshipsforever]

Neither is exactly correct. There is a triple-redundant navigation system ( SIGI 3, 2, and 1) where one unit failed "off" briefly after the spacecraft came out of before recovering, and a hiccup on another unit, but at no time was there a loss of the vehicle not knowing where it was.

[@asterisbampos5869]

honestly surprised no chinese boats fished out any starship engines yet

[@markrix]

You know they have already stole all the designs

[@MadJustin7]

SpaceX is innovating so quickly, I don't think they care.

[@yakirfrankoveig8094]

Its nowhere near china

[@vanrex7682]

Wouldn’t be that tragic. It’s the machinery that builds these engines they need to copy not the engines themselves.

[@qwerty112311]

@@ISirSmokelmfao

[@richardpark3054]

I'm eagerly awaiting launch of New Glenn. For an observer with no skin in, it's a win-win situation: awesome perfect flight or awesome ginormous explosion!

[@AviationJeremy]

I will never not mock Chinese knockoffs of the Falcon 9, but that drone footage was absolutely splendid.

[@linamishima]

Inversion Space's orbital reentry vehicles are less likely to be used directly to carry weaponised payloads, and in my opinion more likely to carry equipment and yes, weapons, that can be deployed and used on the ground. Like all sabre rattling, of course, the idea it could be a weaponised payload (ie, 'space bombs') is supposed to be scary, but ultimately effective militaries are less about destructive capabilities than about logistic capabilities. Defence vehicles and vessels often have parts that are critical to operation, but have a long enough mean time to failure compared to other components that carrying spares is not sensible. Being able to reduce service time to a matter of hours would be a major boon. Similarly, being able to get an intelligence, survailance and reconnaisance package to any location on earth in a few hours to support special forces would be game changing, and remove the need to carry additional gear.

[@macdjord]

I see two problems with those ideas: using it to deliver rare critical parts would require the exact part in question already on-orbit, and orbital insertions for SpecOps runs into the problem that orbital entry is the opposite of stealthy.

[@StephanAhonen]

I'm struggling to think of a likely scenario where this would actually be the cheapest or only possible way to deliver a thing to a place, as opposed to loading it onto a helicopter or dropping it out the back of a C130. If the airspace is being denied by SAMs, a SEAD mission to cover your delivery would still be a lot cheaper than an orbital rocket (and SAMs can shoot your delivery while it's under parachute anyway). I can't think of when you would have a real mission operating out of range of a conventional supply drop, that you wouldn't be trying to keep secret (and an orbital supply drop would very much not be secret).

[@PetesGuide]

@Scott Manley - at 5:25 is that Guizhou(?) rocket using an RCS thruster near its nose just after it clears the tower? I’ve never seen that before, and am wondering if you can explain.

[@scottmanley]

Yes, it’s a solid rocket and uses that for steering immediately after loftoff

[@ProofOfDragons]

Wait … the main booster is solid fuel but the RCS thrusters are hypergolic correct? A few seconds after the RCS fires It looks like they dumped dark orange hypergolic fuel under the payload shroud. What was that?

[@CamimalFPV]

@@ProofOfDragons not 100% about this but I think most rockets have ways to dump liquids of a variety of kinds - notably Starship dumping during a recent IFT, not sure which one though but they dumped too much and caused a failure later in the flight iirc. Even in solid rocket motors there are cooling liquids needed and lubricating liquids for stuff like turbopumps (I imagine, in some designs) so yeah my point is just there's lots of other reasons it might have that dark orange hypergolic fuel looking stuff spewing out

[@CamimalFPV]

@@ProofOfDragons Like I mean based on Mr. Manley confirming that it is using RCSs for steering - that stuff is almost definitely liquid fuelled with the propellant you saw being discharged (might have not needed any more for the flight so dumps the mass instead knowing its on a nominal trajectory with enough juice left)

[@r0cketplumber]

@@CamimalFPV Small pressure-fed thrusters are usually shut down with an oxidizer lag to protect the injector from cross-contamination- the N2O4 evaporates cleanly but leaves a brief red cloud of unburned gas. That's also why many engines make a silly honk on shutdown when the low chamber pressure causes a few cycles of unstable combustion. The 4K14 engine on the X-Racer always gave a honk that embarrassed me, even though the sequence was my idea.

[@PetesGuide]

10:05 not all the thrusters on Starliner worked! There was a new failure of one thruster on the crew module, in addition to the disabled one on the service module. There was redundancy of course (no Boeing we don’t still love you), but I believe this is a new failure mode.

[@RobertPruitt-y7m]

Starliner also has the guidance system glitch out, but it came back pretty quick. Definitely wasn't safe for humans.

[@Wordsmiths]

@@RobertPruitt-y7m I really really hope that Boeing gets its space division's act together now that it has a new leader. They've got to master these thruster problems (which include the helium leaks). The Starliner's thruster suite ought to be a strong point, a selling point, for that craft. On paper (or in CAD renders) it ought to be more maneuverable than the Dragon capsule, it ought to be a better choice for transporting humans to space stations or for orbital rendezvous & grappling with inert objects too. Instead, Starliner is known for its thruster failures: its thruster system is its best-known *weakness*! If the Starliner program is canceled (and Boeing has undeniable financial justification to cancel it), it will mean so many lost opportunities for crewed cislunar operations in the coming decades. But if the Starliner program can't solve its problems 100% by its next test flight, Boeing might not find any customers willing to use it, after its contractual flights to the ISS are completed. And the ISS might be deorbited before the Starliner can even complete all its contracted flights, they have taken so long to get the dang thing working properly! Arrgh. Such a great concept, such a frustrating reality

[@Hevach]

The scariest thing is probably that after they found a possible cause on ground testing, not only did orbital tests fail to confirm it, some of the thrusters just started working again. There are few things scarier to an engineer than something breaking for no reason and then appearing to fix itself for even less reason. It's not uncommon for machines to run better than ever in the final moments before they fail catastrophically. There were just too many unknowns in Starliner and no track record to inspire trust (not that I think NASA should ever risk astronauts on a Dragon in the same situation but I can at least understand having that conversation).

[@zrebbesh]

The Chinese commentary on their ICBM test said that it was "routine." They most recently did it in 1980. I suppose the next one is scheduled for 2069?

[@stevengaming3689]

Booster 11 will return home, no matter how many pieces

[@riparianlife97701]

Name it "Three Pointer" after Shaq's yacht, and they'll never sink it.

[@bogususer2595]

all the boosters return, even if broken up into a million pieces.

[@Keenath]

I don't think SpaceX gets to complain about getting the full exam every time they change something. They knew the protected wetland was there when they asked to use Boca Chica in the first place, and they blasted debris into it when they blew up their own launch pad. This is a completely self-inflicted problem.

[@OBTX91]

Thats how I feel about it. Planning is a thing

[@enisra_bowman]

and releasing toxic chemicals like Mercury into the enviroment on top

[@LincolnChamberlin]

I would watch this series so much more if there was a chapter at the end of the ticket launches. I don't care about the launches, but when ever I skip past then to the news, I find it really interesting. Please, make your video better by adding a single timestamp so people can choose what they care about.

[@jimsvideos7201]

It appears that even SpaceX makes a better submarine than OceanGate did.

[@chanman819]

15:45 Longshot - whoa, I did not expect anyone to try Project HARP again! Gerald Bull's superguns also started out as a way to do high-speed testing

[@Henchman1977]

Would have been funnier if Blue Origin had called the booster "Never tell me the odds"

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

Maybe that's the second one.

[@Wordsmiths]

@@PatrickKQ4HBD My thought exactly!

[@Puj0]

I read somewhere they made internal contest for the name. We might see many funny references

[@veeeee1435]

@@Puj0IIRC, Blue Origin’s management didn’t choose the name that won the internal contest but chose one with a similar attitude. The name that won internally was allegedly “Fuck It, Fly It”

[@reedthorngag1810]

@@Puj0 That seems to have become a common thing for these companies to do, rocket lab also does that. (or maybe its just those two) I hope it catches on, democracy is a terrible and great way of naming things

[@chris-hayes]

It makes me wonder whether SpaceX fished the booster out of the ocean more to protect their trade secrets. Their engines have a big leg up on the competition. Both India and China are very competitive in rocket development and while the Indian Ocean is huge, SpaceX's published flight path + a gigantic hunk of metal undersea seems not impossible to find.

[@warpedfusion]

The booster landed in the Gulf of Mexico off the coast of Texas. That's what they recovered. Not sure how deep it is where the ship landed, but finding the ship components would surely be much, much more difficult.

[@warpedfusion]

Just hopped over to Google and looked it up. The average depth of the Indian Ocean is around 12,000 ft as opposed to the 150 or so feet where the booster landed. Finding and recovering parts of the ship is surely possible, but it would be incredibly difficult. Debris can translate surprisingly far when falling that far through the water column.

[@chris-hayes]

oh right, this was the booster.

[@Hostilenemy]

Gerald Bull, the grandfather of modern artillery, perfected the concept of light gas gun with Project SHARP. At the end, it was able to shoot projectiles to almost 200 kilometers. At that point you need some form of maneuvering system to reach orbit. He never got that far.

[@jimmyjames2022]

"He never got that far." I immediately thought of him too. Mainly for what a dumbass he was in expecting no consequences for his actions, especially in light of repeated warnings.

[@jebdunkins6796]

Was he the dude who tried to build a massive cannon for saddam Hussein and got unalived by Mossad?

[@jebdunkins6796]

Was that the guy who built a massive cannon for Saddam Hussein and then got assassinated by Israeli Intelligence?

[@Hostilenemy]

@@jimmyjames2022 He was obsessed with reaching orbit using a gun, so much so that he made a deal with the devil to continue his project. The road to hell is paved with good intensions.

[@whuzzzup]

Because going to orbit with such a gun is on the same stupidity level as this spin launch thing (do they still exist?).

[@droid1342]

I think that was a direct reference to the movie dumb and dumber lol " so you're saying there's a chance"

[@MCsCreations]

Thanks for all the news, Scott! 😊 Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@stuartpatterson1617]

Shout out to Zack @ CSIStarbase Deep dive or more like Deep rise into those pics is a must.

[@roywood4164]

I seriously enjoy your content. I've been into space flight and anything space related. I grasped the basics easily but your videos give me a broader understanding and appreciation. Thanks for keeping me informed Scott

[@MEDIAPCStue]

Hi scott, you are awesome!

[@cocoalbu6189]

Scott I just wanted to say a thanks for the amount of work you have put into compiling so many videos and interpretations of events (that are correct a shockingly large number of times!). I really enjoy listening to your commentary on the side, and there's this touch of wisdom in there that makes it all the better. I've watched as early as the KSP1 times back in 2013 for me, and I've never once found myself bored with your channel!

[@markrix]

Anniversary? who is the lucky spacecraft?

[@Trek001]

He snagged an Agena

[@Hoopaball]

Nice shout out to CSI Starbase! It takes a great content creator to recognize a great content creator. Cheers, Scott!

[@kriswelsh3844]

Smashing video as usual Scott 👍

[@squirtle88]

WOW that "Deep Blue Aerospace" rocket drone footage was AMAZING and that crash was spectacular!

[@khailelfoster]

Wsp Scott you are one of my inspirations to get into rocket science and engineering

[@DebraJean196]

Sounds like you are still in school. If so, best of luck in your studies!

[@StYxXx]

@16:30 So the Longshot is basically an enhanced V3? Luckily with a different goal...

[@thomashemenway7384]

And Jules Verne

[@ioresult]

"It's Boeing, I'm unsurprised." haha!

[@13Jared]

Congratulations on your anniversary! I hope you two had a great time.

[@KOZMOuvBORG]

16:45 sound similar to the (never-finished) V-3 the Germans built to besiefe England in WW2.

[@shivamcholin6760]

Such a beautiful shot 9:00, love it. Looks like its from a game.

[@j03man44]

19:50 csi Star base are totally underrated!

[@shauncurtis4398]

Haha. That little lean forward and lowered voice “fly safe” was almost menacing

[@bensmith3304]

It is always pretty scary watching hydrazine billow out from China's rockets. This makes it extra exciting to see them progressing on to reusable non-hydrazine rockets!

[@cube2fox]

I would be more worried about new "routine" ICBM tests.

[@whatcouldgowrong7914]

China number one 🤣

[@BrokenLifeCycle]

Let's hope the booster recovery doesn't involve landing it in the middle of a village as opposed to dropping it on top of them.

[@kiwidiesel]

Bonus if you live near those hydrazine launches too😂

[@whuzzzup]

@@cube2fox Why? They had ICBMs for decades, nothing new.

[@artemisfowl7191]

2:40 this is likely a test program for a surface to surface missile program, almost certainly intended for... Special... weapons payloads

[@stephenbenner4353]

From Earth to the Moon by Jules Verne was all about a cannon that would shoot things into space. As far as stories go, it wasn’t that great, but it spent a lot of time on logistics based on scientific knowledge of the time. About the one thing he got right was that Florida is a good location for space launches, but what he got wrong is that there are several species of native monkeys in Florida.

[@kreelaban3420]

Starliner had more problems on return but almost everyone ignores them. Starliner made it back, but just barely !

[@penguin44ca]

Oh what happened?!

[@JeffreyBue_imtxsmoke]

Barely?

[@Starshipsforever]

@@penguin44ca It's a lie. There were some hiccups, but nothing super serious. The worst was probably the loss of the thruster on the CM, and there was brief problem with one of the SIGI navigation units (but recovered) after the spacecraft came out of the plasma blackout, but that was one of a triple-redundant set. Everything else worked pretty much as advertised.

[@andyr0ck]

The Algebraist and Excession lurking prominently on the shelf. 👌🏼

[@jurepecar9092]

Practical question - how are all these launches communicated to various ICMB early warning systems across the world so they don't go crazy when they see a rocket climbing out of the atmosphere?

[@bigianh]

I believe most of the big player's National Aviation Authorities inform the UN I think there's even a UN website that lists them all

[@clayel1]

spy satellites most likely, and secret diplomatic communications

[@AutomaticJack]

IIRC it is just a standard diplomatic communication. Like an "as per our requirements under the SALT treaty, we are notifying you that in two weeks time we will be launching X missile from Y launch site with Z trajectory, splashing down at point Nemo in the Pacific Ocean." sort of thing...

[@fixitscott6x6]

"FLY SAFE" (he said menacinglly) Love the ending :)

[@Dylans_astro]

Today’s fly safe sounded like a threat

[@mr.mentat.0x]

Wish I would have known dude... I live in Carlsbad. Weather is typically pretty cloudy here. Hope you had a good time man! 😊

[@NuclearFalcon146]

There is a very easy test for how good a Boeing design is, if it is from the 20th century then it is usually awesome, otherwise it may be suspect.

[@flippert0]

1:26 that drone footage from the Sojuz start at night is pretty amazing.

[@PuffsBlz]

Long barrel many explosive going off the moment the ship passes? Sounds very much like the V3..... =/

[@chrissouthgate4554]

On the Iraq Supergun.

[@DebraJean196]

Belated Happy Anniversary Scott!!!! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@CessnaPilot99]

Eyebrows are looking quite ample and lush today! I strongly approve

[@CameronSalazar2113]

For real man I really love how well you break things down in a sense of name location and reason, but in a way that is easy to understand and a fast way to get the info across also! I am happy to have found you channel! ALSO, is it me or does it seem like we maybe onto another space race to see who can give the world internet first and make it to mars and the moon! Pretty exciting times!

[@Arthera0]

I am so glad humanity is focusing more on space again. It is after all most likely our future.

[@murbella7]

It is Nov 4 and I have just completed a holiday that included a flight from Melbourne to San Francisco on United, a sea voyage from SF to Sydney on a Princess ship via many Pacific islands and a Qantas flight from Sydney to Melbourne. The significant thing about all this is that every craft had free Wifi supplied courtesy of Starlink.

[@davidjernigan8161]

Didn't we try the giant gun to try putting things in orbit/high altitude before?

[@andriandrason1318]

No. but I think there was some silly centrifugal slingshot being tested some time ago.

[@robbiejames1540]

yup, project harp or something...

[@chrissouthgate4554]

@@robbiejames1540 By Gerald Bull, went on to design the Iraq Supergun

[@SebSN-y3f]

Wikipedia lists a number of conceivable ways of launching objects into space without rockets. These include Gerald Bull's Babylon Baby Gun, with a quite interessting story. There are also various attempts to make it electromagnetic.

[@jackdbur]

They have only been theoretical or partly built .

[@dennisflemming826]

Thanks buddy keep up the good work . Look deeper at the bits of booster recovered. I don’t won’t to dump on the FAA , but I’m having a problem with sX needing to lift its game to the level of starliner , 😢 Have you heard of a post turtle ? ( a turtle sitting on a post with his legs hanging in the air . Nice view, nice breeze, if he doesn’t make a a fuss, it’s a good spot) there are lots of post turtles in bigness, elevated way above there engendering abilities! They keep their position by adding safety sticks like don’t drink the contenders of this battery and such, cheers

[@BenBartlow]

Hey Scott I would love to see you do a video about generating a current/electricity using earth's magnetic field while in space. I would love to know all about that. Length of wire/cable needed etc and results from experiments that have been performed

[@chrissouthgate4554]

So far as they have got the wire to suitable lengths they have lost control of it & had to cut it loose or risk the spacecraft. But that was some time ago.

[@thorwaldjohanson2526]

Wires in space are dangerous and hard to control. Solar panels plus batteries works and is reliable. But it is a cool idea. Learning d about that 10 years ago in my aerospace studies at uni.

[@JamesVandorpe-b5n]

Thanks a bunch Scott.As usual you carry great content and no fluff.Super stuff! Amusingly you are a Scottish steroid version of my older brother Robert, so viewing your videos takes on a closer feel.Keep on keepin' on.😊😊😊😊

[@Websitedr]

The booster name is from the line by Lloyd Christmas in Dumb and Dumber actually.

[@markfitzurka9995]

Congratulations on the wedding. I just stumbled across this channel and finding a great distraction from the us politics that seems to be ending up in my recommendations. I hope my subscription to your channel will help get it going in a better direction. Like arrow space

[@NeonVisual]

Space-related paperwork, the final frontier..

[@fresmarco78]

There is only one constant in the universe, beurocracy. ~ Dr. Leonard McCoy

[@orionbarnes1733]

The "fly safe" at the end of this video felt more like a threat than usual

[@CyrilleParis]

In defence of the FAA (and despite my gnawing impatience to see flight 5!): the agency's mission is to guarantee flight safety for people and the environment. When you think of the damage caused on the launch pad without a deluge, which sent hot pieces of concrete flying beyond the launch zone, you can understand the FAA's caution. Here, Space X wants to bring back a thing several dozen metres high, weighing several tons, with unburnt explosive fuel remnants, to catch it up to the nearest centimetre in articulated arms, whereas during flight 4, the elements fell back to within a few metres for the booster and to within a few kilometres for the Starship. The FAA's nervousness is understandable: there are residents and a whole ecosystem around Space X's launch pad, not to mention the employees...

[@motokid6008]

The only thing the booster catch threatens is the launch tower and mount. There is not enough left over fuel at this point to cause a considerable explosion should the catch fail.

[@CyrilleParis]

@@motokid6008 Empty, the beast weighs 1600 tons, that only can cause quite a bang if there is a problem and the speed is not zero (for example if the last burn fails. As for the propellant, the tank of the super heavy bosster contains 3400 tons of methane. Even if there is 0.01 % left, it is 340 kg of gaz methane or 800 liters of liquid methane (more than 200 gallons). Quite a boom.

[@motokid6008]

@@CyrilleParis - SpaceX has demonstrated they can at least come to a controlled stop. FAA is being needlessly strict. And SLOW. Strict is fine, but if they could at least speed their process up that would be fine.

[@CyrilleParis]

@@motokid6008 It depends where the thing falls, even for the empty booster. The precision required here is measured in the order of inches, perhaps feet. The last splashdown of the Heavy Booster was not that precise and out of 13 raptors, 1 failed at the re-entry burst. It show to things : a reassuring one : the beast can land without all of its engines lit. A not so reassuring one : the raptors can fail, even at the last minute.

[@CyrilleParis]

@@motokid6008 For all those reasons, were i the FAA, I would be very strict AND take my time to check and recheck.

[@MrGeneralScar]

That picture of the remains of the booster would make an awesome jigaw puzzle, providing it has lots of pieces (like 2000-5000).

[@Wild_Bill57]

The “You mean there’s a chance” quote, I believe, comes from Howard Wolowitz of the Big Bang Theory, he said that to Penny more than once about having a chance to get jiggy with her, as they say. BTW, he was the character who (in the show) spent time on the ISS.

[@EMichaelBall]

It was originally used in the movie Dumb and Dumber.

[@Starshipsforever]

I thought it was amazing for Blue Origin to reply in an official capacity to your question about the BE-3U nozzles being used for the test.

[@richdurbin6146]

FAA isn’t understaffed, it’s overtasked.

[@ToTheGAMES]

If its overtasked, they don't have enough people to do them, ergo; understaffed

[@takanara7]

Well, that's the same thing.

[@Thorgon-Cross]

Not understaffed or overtasked, just corrupt. I don't get why anyone is acting like this slow down is legit, we all know this is because Elon now supports the "bad Orange man". Really why is anyone playing along with their lies?

[@shannonkohl68]

Agreed. Congress should strip them of the power to oversea test flights, or severely restrict that power. This should be a lot less work for them. Now if 80% of their overtime work is SpaceX, then how much of that is driven by continuing operations and how much by changes SpaceX is making to non-test flights? If there is a lot of work monitoring non-test flights then that needs to be optimized as well. And what is going on with the FAA complaining about the location of the command center. Why do they care? It seems likely that complaint is just typical bureaucratic attempts to insert themselves into *every* decision, no matter how inconsequential.

[@Tsudico]

@@shannonkohl68 As Scott alluded to, it isn't just the FAA but other agencies that are getting involved. The FAA just seems to be the go between. So if SpaceX indicates they are using different flight profiles that might pass over other land that might need to be protected, then the EPA gets involved as well. It is possible that the movement of the command center has a similar issue where it isn't directly an issue for the FAA but another agency within the government. I know that there is a keep out zone that exists for every launch so it could be that the FAA wasn't notified in time to be able to verify the new command center was outside that zone or something.

[@srper2]

Good to see they are starting to collect some of their stuff from the environment...

[@photovincent]

How can a number of people in orbit be a world record? 🤔

[@Kizahd]

There is a google techtalk about the space gun on KZbin. It has been extensively partial scale tested already for the navy. It was a hydrogen cannon, the idea was to hang it under an oil rig type structure to get a place for the 1000m cannon to be and azimuth control.

[@RadicalEdwardStudios]

I understand the frustration around spaceX being slowed down, but it sure seems like they break rules, file paperwork wrong, do the bare minimum, and make excuses, and that the government isn't running overtime because of being understaffed [though they probably are], but because they're trying to keep up with the mess. I mean, come on. The first starship concrete pad destruction was /easily/ predictable. That they even tried that strategy is a joke. Imagine the people that made that decision, but now they're doing lots of paperwork, and you're having to interact with them for it.

[@absurdengineering]

The thing is, though, who and what did that concrete rain really hurt? It’s being painted like some Chornobyl disaster. It’s just concrete FFS.

[@JonMartinYXD]

And SpaceX should have known that plunking a launch facility in the middle of a nature preserve would mean environmental impact studies _every single time_ they made a change. Their, shall we say, cavilier attitude about failures has only justified the concerns private citizens and government agencies had. So SpaceX has no one to blame but themselves.

[@JonMartinYXD]

@@absurdengineering You are missing the point. The concrete pad destruction is indicative of SpaceX's lack of concern for safety and environmental protection. That's the problem. They somehow convinced Texas to let them build a launch facility in the middle of a nature preserve, but nature preserves are not the place to 'move fast and break things'.

[@RadicalEdwardStudios]

@@absurdengineering 1: It scattered industrial material across the landscape, in a region that is environmentally protected, for which they submitted forms certifying that they would not do ... well ... that. 2: It is FUNDAMENTALLY clear to anyone who knows literally anything about space launches that this was never going to work. Look at the shuttle pad. Look at the diverters, the water dampers. This is substantially more output than that. It is incredibly obvious that this would not work, and it shows absolute recklessness and disregard along the lines of the Titan sub. Did Musk or others higher up ignore smart people saying this wouldn't work? Or perhaps, did something happen such that it was never said? I don't know, but it's painful how easy it was to see this, and they did it, anyway. And so, if they're reckless about the most obvious things, and locate their danger activities near sensitive areas, yes, they absolutely should have to file their paperwork. They don't like it? They can shut up. They made the situation, they asked for where they are now. Quite literally, they asked for the location. In every sense, neither you nor anyone else is /entitled/ to just do whatever the hell you want with the world that the rest of us live in. That is why regulations exist. It remains a valuable detail even if we pretend that nobody else could have come up with this stuff.

[@patrickr2790]

I have to say, my opinion of SpaceX soured when I watched the Boca Chica concrete incident. Trust is easily broken and hard to get back. If they’re going to do this whole rocket thing, they should do it right and be respectful of their surroundings

[@TonyGJCR]

12:32 So basically they're going to develop hellpods from helldivers

[@thedarkside13]

For those who don't know, Booster 11 exploded in the sea after landing.

[@12user-u5h]

So, how did they have anything to recover?

[@Brautman]

@@12user-u5h Fragments that are still the size of our cars

[@thedarkside13]

@@12user-u5hI'm telling you that Booster 11 exploded right after it landed.

[@12user-u5h]

@thedarkside13 The picture of recovery does not help your conclusion

[@Jaker788]

It's not a theory or anything, there are pictures and it's actually very reasonable to expect it to blow up when it tips over and hits the water. The downcomer would break off and the methane and oxygen has and some liquid would mix and happily ignite with little provocation ​@@12user-u5h

[@nicholasmaude6906]

9:50 - SS-X-30 Satan II, Scott, the "X" affix by the way signifies a prototype missile and the US DoD designation for the production variant will be SS-30.

[@phillipsofthedriver]

I'm a little surprised you didn't bring up the Cards Against Humanity lawsuit against SpaceX. Maybe the timing on that bit of news was too late for your editing schedule.

[@scottmanley]

Yeah I forgot that. Truth is it probably some contractor that SpaceX hired.

[@iamaduckquack]

​@@scottmanleyProbably. Wouldn't the responsibility still fall on SX though?

[@killsode4760]

Wait what would CAH being suing for spaceX at all?

[@M19pickles]

@iamaduckquack Typically a construction company is responsible for where it stages its supplies. SpaceX would be responsible if they told the construction company to use that land.

[@M19pickles]

​@@killsode4760Basically CAH owns land next to where SpaceX is building in Texas and the construction guys used the CAH land as a staging area. Now CAH are asking for 15 million in damages for the land they raised 2.5 million to buy in 2017 because SpaceX hurt CAHs reputation by damaging the land somehow.

[@queeg6473]

I believe Hitler had a go with the accelerator gun idea. Wasn't that his V3 weapon?

[@PatrickKQ4HBD]

He was convinced of the importance of many "wonder weapons." It's part of the reason they lost.

[@SebSN-y3f]

Eugen Saenger was one of the german engineers, who had some ideas for longe range weapons. He is also famous for the saenger-space-plane based on principles that now is in use for hyperfast missiles (see the concepts America Bomber A9 - A10 also) and a rocket projet in Egypt in the 1960s, what was shot down from the german government because of trouble in international afairs. Wikipedia lists a number of conceivable ways of launching objects into space without rockets. These include Gerald Bull's Babylon Baby Gun. There are also various attempts to make it electromagnetic.

[@marcusoutdoors4999]

The global launch cadence is remarkable

[@chrisculhane3777]

Holy fuck. We are a space faring civilization. We are constantly going to space

[@DarkVoidIII]

That's a brilliant reference to the movie "Dumb and Dumber". I've seen plenty of references, and they're hopeful that it will work. I sincerely hope they get the chances to roll their way!

[@LordMustangGT93]

it becuase where on strike at boeing scott. I work there. They gonna pay us workers a decent pay, or no ones getting wifi on there planes

[@scottmanley]

Can we get a working ticket tracking system so that doors don't get installed without pins.

[@ligmasack9038]

Y'all should put the Planes together correctly, THEN ask for more Pay when you demonstrate you're worth it.😱

[@LordMustangGT93]

@scottmanley maybe spirit t should do there jobs right to start with

[@GlenHunt]

Hurricane is on the other side of the state in the Gulf, but close enough since Florida isn't exactly a large state.

[@websitesthatneedanem]

Hey Scott! What happened to Spin Launch?! ⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉⁉

[@scottmanley]

They still exist?

[@TheLadderman]

Looks like space guns are back on the menu boys. Gerald Bull would be proud. I'm so excited.

[@m420-nd1if]

Honestly what China is doing in Space and Science recently is really impressive

[@DirkSchut]

That fly safe sounded like a command this time :)

[@juhajuntunen7866]

Russian Sarmat missile explode when fueling(?). Maybe Scott can tell more about horrific soviet and russian rocket fuels and accidents.

[@texxstalker]

Look for his older videos 🙂

[@bhamptonkc7]

Grats on the anniversary

[@user-wo5dm8ci1g]

SpaceX decided to build a launch site directly next to a wildlife preserve that is way larger then what it was permitted for, and built the launch site on the corner of that property to ensure that any damage would mostly be to the wildlife preserve. No wonder all the paperwork is slow. Rockets are great, but if you want to build the biggest rocket of all time, maybe you should get a site approved for such a thing before you start blowing stuff up.

[@takanara7]

That licensing issue is about falcon 9 and literally has nothing to do with starship.

[@motokid6008]

Kennedy Space center is a wildlife refuge as well.

[@sebastiankumlin9542]

17:47 that's a large canister. Gonna prime some miniatures?

[@bradmcgrath358]

If you played this video because of the title, just skip to 19min 20 sec.............

[@badhombre4942]

Or click -> 19:20

[@stevesloan6775]

How the heck is the Sen footage real? Is it a LiDAR sensor image? Always enjoyed your excellent content!! 🇦🇺🤜🏼🤛🏼😎🍀☮️☮️☮️

[@otpyrcralphpierre1742]

I'm 71 years old, and I have never seen a rocket launch. I hope that I can go to Texas to watch a Starship launch. If they are allowed to launch one again.