Monster Hunter Wilds NEW TRAILER Reaction & Breakdown | Release Date & Flagship Revealed ?!

[@Owl-yc2yu]

Theory: the guild isn't gonna want us to slay the monster because it's a formerly thought to be extinct species but then we go through the whole story to get justification to kill it because this is monster hunter.

[@maxspecs]

We’ll try n catch it like every other elder lol

[@tyHar0]

And even though its extinct we'll be killing it x100 times for all its parts tp make all the weapons and armours 😂

[@sekiro_the_one-armed_wolf]

@@maxspecsno current indication that it’s an elder dragon

[@LordOfAsshes]

And what about la classique "Ow, our flagship target isn't the great enemy? All this time we were fools, running through all continent just to kill the ultimate scapegoat for giant elder dragon never seen before, who somehow fricks up the nature balance despite being the part of it and somehow has lived here all this time?!" ?

[@Ryodraco]

@@tyHar0 Joke I know, but reminder that as far as canon is concerned any particular hunting mission only happens once.

[@Madman6884]

Ohh I just realized, since this is still the scarlet forest. I'm guessing maybe that means the waters turn red during the fallow period, its washed away during the Downpour and flooding, and then the waters are back to clear during the Plenty?

[@angelomendoza6666]

Makes sense

[@spilleraaron4748]

That fire chicken brute wyvern has got to be the monster the bow set is from!!

[@Noncovin]

@@spilleraaron4748 as soon as I saw it, I was thinking fire chicken

[@Calekoflight]

@@Noncovin I kinda just thought Cockatrice which is basically what it is.

[@nolangerrans6083]

@@CalekoflightI mean a cockatrice is basically just a fire chicken with snake parts so yeah pretty much this

[@Pokemark17]

Fire type turkey

[@GoldenLeafsMovies]

​​@@nolangerrans6083Maybe it's my experience with Dogma but isn't Cockatrice more venom type? (Actually I think in that game it has pretty much every debilitation but I just associate it more with venom cause that's what it spits out)

[@strapps5404]

You just know Arkveld's armor is going to be top fucking tier

[@pizzahunter69]

Imagine getting a set that makes us look like a wraith

[@liluminati9791]

hear me out: Quematrice chicken wing hammer

[@heythereitsmerojin7394]

love how as soon as thunder appears ruri thinks its zinogre 😭

[@facade11663]

Everyone I have seen reacting to this has asked the same thing seeing that.

[@clementsaden368]

Tbf its tail does look like Zinogre's at a glance

[@ramadhanbenny6640]

I love how everyone grinning each time we saw a MH trailer

[@dmanking11]

you have a melt down over the music, for me its the roars, they all sound SO UNIQUE and evolved, it just floors me everytime

[@YoutubeIsRunByANaziOverlord420]

Its not just you lmao, the white wraiths roar sounds majestic as hell

[@DRAG0NSPIRIT10]

Yeah the monsters sound amazing in what's been heard so far.

[@marmyeater]

Both. Both is good.

[@Zahri8Alang]

I bet Ryozo-san was the director for that cutscene with the Felgne bonking the mon

[@LordOfAsshes]

And Olivia beach-slapping Uth Duna with the anvil-on-a-stick ofc.

[@Zahri8Alang]

@@LordOfAsshes myes hm hm Hammer mains be like

[@Kazrel]

The only thing I need now is a Demo release, come on Tokyo Game Show PLLLEAAAAASE

[@yellowcard8100]

def December.

[@JimmySquiky]

Imo the demo will be out after the game awards.

[@DRAG0NSPIRIT10]

January is the best bet, since they tend to always release the demos a month before the game launches.

[@RouxBeard]

"Chicken tenders always taste better when eaten with friends!" Mayuri Shiina - Steins;Gate

[@Zulban48]

It's sort of hidden among the information that already existed but the player is part of Avis unit (and you already looked at Astrum unit). I find it Interesting how each 'unit' has its own smithy instead of smithies being their own separate thing that all hunters go to. It's also interesting that the site says that Avis unit specifically is tasked with watching after Nata and investigating The White Wraith, but it doesn't specify what Astrum unit is there for. In the trailer Olivia says that the guild gave other units special assignments of their own (are there more than two units?) but doesn't actually specifically say what her unit's assignment is, which makes me wonder if they're keeping it under wraps for a reason. We've only seen Olivia show up in story sections in the Scarlet Forest reveal so it's possible that whatever it is they're assigned to has something to do with the Scarlet Forest. I also don't remember if this information was there before or not, but it says that Alma (our handler) is "A specialist in cultural anthropology and an avid archaeologist" which seems like the perfect kind of person to have around when not only encountering people that have until now been secluded from the rest of the world... but for investigating ancient ruins that have also have never been seen before by the Guild. If your theory about the game sort of trying to get into the story behind the ancient civilization is right, then having an expert archaeologist as part of the team makes a lot of sense. Of course, if it has anything to do with those ruins seen in the Scarlet Forest during the trailer and Astrum team is assigned to investigating those then I don't know, maybe the Guild just had a bit of mismanagement in terms of talent or it's related to other 'special assignments' Olivia herself has partaken in her past. It might just be an oversight, but Nata's description hasn't been updated to mention how he was found by the Guild or anything about The White Wraith, even though it's shown in the trailer. If I'm not mistaken this is also the first time we hear him speaking. The 3 Ultimate map you're thinking of is the Flooded Forest, but the 4 Ultimate map you're thinking of is the Primal Forest which features a similar sort of 'staircase waterfall'. The Scarlet Forest could very well be a callback to both of those maps. It would be interesting if the torrential downpour made secret parts of the map become available by swimming to them that you couldn't otherwise reach.

[@mario166488]

The armor set from Uth Duna must look insane. I can't fucking wait until February

[@Dingoridoo]

Was hoping that the apex of the scarlet forest was going to be an anaconda like snake wyvern but wasn't disappointed, I'll take the Arapaima guppy looking leviathan any day. But seriously Capcom, I need them snake wyverns.

[@marmyeater]

They do look cool.

[@jockpackage1770]

That leviathan has me so hyped. What's odd is that we still havent't seen a new herd monster in the scarlet forest. We got the apex of that map, we got the flagship, and we got that new brute in the first map. They stated that each locale will have, at a minimum, 2 types of large monsters that form herds. Not sure if dosha counts as a slot in that minimum 2 for both maps or not so we may see 2 new monsters in the scarlet forest that form herds. Nope, with that casting, I knew that was a dude from the start. That man can't pull off a female voice. A youthful childlike one yes, like his roll in Jojo Stone Ocean but he can't play a woman. My guess is, for the story, it won't be mistaken identity again. They won't blame the flagship, instead the flagship attacking will be true but maybe it being more aggressive is connected to the final boss. Since World and the utter failure that jyratadus/beotodus were, with deep water/snow, I was begging for a tougher monster to make that terrain more threatening and thus make the armor skill for it useful. Looks like my wish was granted.

[@cashmunycoop]

I’m guessing congalala will be a pack monster with his congas. It makes sense that he would be in the scarlet forest.

[@jockpackage1770]

@@cashmunycoop Yes, a pack monster with his small monster conga, but that doesn't count as a herd slot. Herd monsters are something different, where even the lessor pack members are large monsters. It wouldn't make sense to say a minimum per map will use a new mechanic to have one of thsoe slots taken by a user of the old pack mechanic. That said, I want there to be a few traditional back monsters too. Like say zamtrios with zamites and gigginox with giggii.

[@cashmunycoop]

@@jockpackage1770 to be honest, I don’t think the scarlet forest is the best place for herd monsters. From what we’ve seen, it looks a lot less open and more sectioned off. I think it would be a good idea to just have pack monsters for fear of it getting too crowded.

[@jockpackage1770]

@@cashmunycoop We'll have to see how that map layout is, remember that the first map only has like 2 big zone but all of it is like double scale to World's maps I would not be shocked to 2 or 3 larger zones in every map. Like for the snow map, all they have to do is give gammoth like 2 or 3 zones to fit in with her popo herd.

[@cashmunycoop]

@@jockpackage1770 yeah I understand that but we also haven’t seen doshaguma in a herd in the forest yet and he’s been in there the last two trailers. I think if they were to do herds it would have to be smaller monsters like raptors or bird wyverns. I would totally love to see a big herd in the scarlet forest but it just doesn’t seem very logical.

[@meisterwu8922]

loving the Moga theme you chose for this. Brings back good memories.

[@mannysantos1562]

As a Floridian, I’m glad I am being well represented by the Scarlet Forest’s Downpour 😂😂😂.

[@knightmare938]

So if you lived in the world, you'd be in the scarlet forest?

[@Bdonsky]

Defender armor in the back ground at 23:25

[@didnt_ask_for_handle]

@@Bdonsky The defender armor seems to be standard equipment for bodyguards. You see it on the General's men when he visits the new world

[@yogscastfan626]

I WAS NOT expecting this now instead of TGS but I am so happy it happened

[@GavinLIVE715]

The Chicken has jumped to my top 10 favorite monster designs. I love it so much!

[@adriannash2705]

El Pollo Fuego better have good armor and a Gunlance

[@GavinLIVE715]

@@adriannash2705 the armor looks nice very knightly, it’s portrayed with a standard bow weapon previously. But definitely high hopes for Gunlance

[@FromTheVoid10011]

The whip on the wings of the flagship are literally from mh frontier ! Maybe some frontier monsters coming back !

[@Ryodraco]

The whips are stated to be unique, so at the very least we shouldn't be expecting the whip wielder from Frontier to return.

[@dwaynetrinidad15]

Uth Duna looks like a mix of Eel+Aripama+Namielle i love it!!

[@grubbyarmadillo9863]

And a lil bit like Amatsu

[@twentysixjazz]

I stopped playing video games because we just had a daughter. I guess it's time to get back to gaming when this masterpiece is released. Hope to see you in the lobby ruri.

[@chadsullivan3645]

Not sure what part of Uth Duna set Ruri off about Lagiacrus, we already know about Balahara

[@honeychonav4027]

@@chadsullivan3645 Well its mostly due to the fact its a water leviathan this time. With water focused mechanics.

[@ElderGamerX]

Well, I have the official date for when I need my PC build finished. Can't wait!

[@larsschulze2799]

I get massive World vibes from that scarlet forest footage. Especially that mountain side they show with all the massive bones on it. And in generel the beach part of that zone also seems to have a lot of bones coming out of the ground

[@Gr0nal]

The music in this trailer is absolutely top tier

[@aaronolson6736]

They might be teasing a chain whip of some kind with Arkveld and a weapon technology expert.

[@bighat4742]

I was so happy to see that date, but then I saw those PC specs. I feel those DD2 worries were justified. A 4060/6700XT for Medium graphics on 1080p *with framegen* to keep a stable 60fps. Yikes

[@gmstrbert2982]

So excited! Got a new trailer and confirmed release date as the perfect Birthday present!

[@augustusmuteb1336]

I also got that 3Ultimate vibe from the trailer. My first thought was "is that MOGA Woods?". I had a "Duuude, Pride Rock!" moment. Even the forest felt like the flooded forest not just because of the rain but just that atmosphere, it's very distinct

[@NaCl3P0]

I was excited for Wilds right up until today when they revealed the specs. 140GB for 1080p 60FPS if they fake frames on medium settings with a 4060 is such a big fumble by Capcom. If you told me its frame gen to get 60fps at 4K or something I’d be less concerned. But this is gonna run like ass.

[@derrickfarbes1805]

@@NaCl3P0 lol have yet to see one run like crap but hey go off kiddo

[@NaCl3P0]

@@derrickfarbes1805 They self reported when they said they can't hit 60 without frame gen on Medium Settings. But please, show us your surprised Pikachu face when it in fact runs like ass and look like ass on release.

[@Gr0nal]

Maybe I like monster hunter too much and it's clouding my judgement but I'm still super excited for it even with performance concerns.

[@FalafelPlease]

So dumb of cap com basically unplayable for most pc gamers with those recommended settings. I'm sorry but 30 fps is unacceptable. We will probably have to wait months for optimization patches on pc

[@Egalia_1]

I know people really wanted Rey Dau to be the flagship but man I LOVE the design and aesthetic of the White Wraith. Looks absolutely incredible!

[@TheKangrim]

@@Egalia_1 I dont know anyone who wanted Rey Dau to be the flagship 😅

[@Egalia_1]

@@TheKangrim I saw it a bunch when the first gameplay trailer hit

[@blazenfate]

You mean ppl thought. Ppl just wanted to see a flagship.

[@lordkittenG]

What you think about the PC requirements being so crazy it's stopping a portion of the MH community from being able to play.

[@Taurusus]

It's been known to happen that PC requirements get updated as products get optimised closer to release, but oof doesn't feel good having my CPU right there in "Minimum" :'(

[@Gr0nal]

I am concerned about the 60fps with frame generation enabled with medium graphics settings for the *recommended* specs

[@FalafelPlease]

4060 for only 60 fps medium graphics 1080p is absolutely wild. Game will be dead if that is the case on launch like DD2

[@Duvoncho]

Werner - 'A physics and engineering specialist, and a leading mind in weapon technology'. So, he's the one going to be giving us our mantle quests perhaps?

[@jroc1176]

Seikret having armor sets is so cool; Battle Chocobos on the hunt with us!

[@MrRenanHappy]

These monster designs are top tier

[@Zahri8Alang]

MOAR MONHUNT BRAINROT YEEEEEEEEEEE Vaal Hazak would be proud

[@Stratelier]

Yes, the Scarlet Forest does indeed have a similar color palette as the Primal Forest from MH4U. Whereas if you're thinking of the Flooded Forest from MH3U, remember that we _already had_ it remade for Rise.

[@Greatwhitegundam]

Uth duna looks like it has a skeleton rig similar to Amatsu, I'ma cross my fingers.

[@Cmaximus7]

So each apex and area is associated with an element. Lightning, water so far. Isn’t there cold and hot drinks confirmed? So we can assume a snow and lava place I’m guessing.

[@Kurobeau]

yea that area ur thinking of is where u often fought Mizu in mhg iirc. so i think it was 4u at first bc i remember jumping off the small ledges to get mounts. and ofc 3u didnt have mounting. i can also picture the zone. with one exit being a climb up vines and the other being a walk

[@Vadim_k.d.]

Uth Duna is literally a healty Gaping dragon, i love him

[@lasselen9448]

Well that's a whole 10 months and 3 days earlier than I expected! The game looks so amazing! The environments are gorgeous, the monsters are super detailed with great designs... It's going to be a loooong wait...

[@rickn6923]

THE LOGO FINALLY MAKES SENSE! Look at the circles. They are linked like chains. The chains of the flagship monster! Also four circles = four locales and four apex monsters. The 5th circle is probably an elder’s recess type area / final boss area. The 2 main dragons twisting together up and down are the flagship and the secret end game traditional elder dragon final boss.

[@ketora5734]

Didn’t expect to wake up to this lmao.

[@rainer9931]

Did you catch that Seikret customization was confirmed?

[@andreybelyshev5093]

Yes he pointed it out

[@swampalompagousness7879]

Monster Hunter Wilds releases on my birthday!

[@tenebraequeene]

@@swampalompagousness7879 happy (early) birthday!💖 that's so cool!

[@crono6874]

That's awesome!

[@roguegen5536]

The fog seems like it's going to make visibility an issue when that happens. I hope these events aren't every other hunt, so when they do happen, they feel more special and don't become an annoyance.

[@riemaennchen]

Had the exact same reaction when a new Wilds Trailer showed up out of nowhere.^^

[@alonsotoon]

So much water being shown and the salmon monster got me excited for underwater for a moment. At this point im 100% sure it´s coming with the expansion in 2026

[@brocksmith193]

His initial reaction was identical to mine as well as throughout the trailer lol

[@rickn6923]

Also I love that Wud Wud’s are basically Felyne Ewoks. I can only hope the other tribes are this awesome.

[@OnReserveStudio]

This game is nothing short of gorgeous.

[@AnimefantasyX]

That big-bellied monster reminds me (in a way😅) of the from Dark Souls.

[@ChromeEclipse]

MH is looking pretty insane. Even with the teases of leviathans I have a feeling they’ll save Lagi for later DLC or the expansion just to keep up the hype.

[@true_ab4670]

The hunter swinging from the vines had a hammer looking SNS …. Blunt damage 🤔

[@derandi2324]

or just cosmetic. we had axe shaped hammers too in world with the vaal hazak one

[@PhaythGaming]

I hope but I doubt it. We are in desperate need of blunt dual blades.

[@twentysixjazz]

definitely a chatacabra sns

[@true_ab4670]

@@derandi2324 that’s true, but hopefully they spice things up with mini bonks. they gave us hammers in DD2 (unrelated) but with capcom it’s a possibility 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@derandi2324]

@@true_ab4670 oh for sure. im not a sns player myself but it seems it does get a fair amount of shield bashes this time like the focus strike finisher being either a slash or bash

[@sadraccoonboy]

Yessss the leviathan is so much like the gaping dragon the silly little heads they both have 😭😭

[@stickman583p]

did a thought. and its interesting to have the flagship have these whips with all the new counters. may be able to knock the whip back into the mon

[@henrydrago]

The Windware plains has the sandstorm as climate change, the Scarlet forest looks like is a flood caused by a heavy rain, maybe each Biome has 2 states of climate changes, who knows a snowy area has a blizzard and quick snowfall or hailstorm, a vulcanic area a activeted and inactive sessions the blocks our way and reveal new areas

[@mr.niceguy9394]

Man this looks amazing! 😍 Pre-ordered but then immediately cancelled after because I cant run it 😂 Maybe someday

[@FGMagala]

Man, I'm so hyped. The only thing that sucks is that it's still almost a half year away...and that they jacked the prices a ton. Still gonna buy premium, but man spending almost double compared to before is painful.

[@henrydrago]

Arkvel or White Wraith has a lot of Frontier monster characteristics like the whip in the wings, a extinct monster huh? Or you mean a monster of a extinct game? XD

[@Dyonivan]

I'm gonna guess that the demo will release probably late January or maybe the first week of February. We'll then get 3-4 weeks of the demo before launch.

[@ultraleitor]

Our hunter talks! Yes!

[@zephalion7386]

I had no idea trump was this enthusiastic about Lagiacrus

[@riemaennchen]

I really hope the music at the end of the Trailer is the battle theme for Arkveld.

[@sageslim1914]

It's the fire chicken for me those spicy attacks 🤣

[@humblebumble203]

Cant wait for them to reveal returning monsters at some point.

[@acesword9850]

Ruri: *reads description out loud saying it has chain-like appendages on wings* Also Ruri: "Oh they are on its wings! I thought it was a tail appendage..."😂

[@drztopgun]

This is one title I will pre-order ASAP. Trailers make the game feel even more epic ❤

[@SuaatanaTube]

Another Fanged Wyvern as a flagship? Kinda weird, but not disappointing.

[@the_clawing_chaos]

Dang, Feb 25 is stacked. Might have to make a choice between monhun and civ 7. Let's see how the demo goes

[@Kairo_Seki]

is that a defender set in the background on the airship? what a nice call back

[@Kairo_Seki]

also astera researcher too

[@exquisitemeat5845]

I'm not feeling the voiced hunter, and there's still something visually off for me. Love most of the new monsters, and the plot seems intriguing. Biggest concern is upgrading my pc tho lmao

[@jonasfadi8213]

your comment is conflicting lol

[@calebnelson58]

What feels off about the voice the tone? The lines? Or just personal preference?

[@exquisitemeat5845]

@@calebnelson58 I much prefer the old hunters. Groans and all. Voice lines make MY hunter be written by someone else > less feeling of agency

[@calebnelson58]

@@exquisitemeat5845 I can understand that but I think it would be way better than what they did with Rise where you kinda of felt like a tool that Kamura just threw at their problems rather than an actual character.

[@Atypical_Typo]

I accept it, but I'm like you. Like, I get it, but it feels like we suddenly had a new Zelda game with a voiced Link😅

[@noahrobinson5952]

People saying Arkveld is the flagship cause it's on the box art, but wasn't the box art for worlds Rathalos?

[@rurikhan]

Rathalos was used as he is the main mascot of Monster Hunter and World was a reintroduction of sorts to the series, this was an exception. Regardless of that though Capcom already confirmed Arkveld is the flagship.

[@Raven_Sol]

Uth Duna gives me Namielle vibes and I love it!

[@Gr0nal]

So just to temper excitement a little bit (I am also very excited for the game and immediately preordered two copies). There are very legitimate concerns about performance at this point looking at the minimum and required PC specs. With the recommended i5-12400/Ryzen 5 5500 and RTX 4060/RX 6700XT they expect you to get 60fps on medium graphics settings *with frame generation enabled*. This is not good news.

[@BurningLance2]

when i saw that fire chicken brute wyvern i was soreta wanting some chicken drumsticks.... would be funny if you can have like a leg of that chicken as food item at the village canteen

[@kingofflames738]

I really hope the dragon seal eyepatch didn't transform into paid dlc. It's one of my favourite helmets.

[@BoogieWoogieCat]

0:31 Yeah nah, the palicoes voice is just not for me. I hate this "35 year old woman trying to sound like a kid" type of voice acting. It's weird. Only complaint I have with this game though. I'm beyond excited.

[@meitomiyazaki9848]

I’m pretty sure they said you can turn it back to meowing, so you in no way have to engage with the human voice acting if it is not to your tastes.

[@BoogieWoogieCat]

@@meitomiyazaki9848 What worries me is that in this trailer you can hear cat sounds that are made by the voice actress. Hopefully with MonHun language it reverts back to how it used to be.

[@TheUltimateRey]

@@BoogieWoogieCatI can’t play these games anymore if they don’t give me the monster hunter speak

[@meitomiyazaki9848]

@@BoogieWoogieCat I was under the impression that they meant the traditional meows. The cat is only meowing like that because the English voice acting is already turned on most likely. I can’t remember which interview or whatever it was that they said it would be possible but go looking for it I’m pretty sure they said you could turn it back to the way it was in the old games if it cringes you out that hard. I’ve felt that way about certain things before too so I understand where you’re coming from at the very least.

[@solomon9655]

2:09 I’m not looking to be a stickler for realism in a series that brought us 1000-degree knife T-Rex and the Jetpack Dragon, but Arkveld flying might be one of the least believable things I’ve seen in Monster Hunter. It has wing-shaped limbs but no membrane connecting them, it’s fur filling the empty space. This would be a crazy detail to hand waive so my money is on Arkveld’s purple energy being related to electromagnetism or something. It would also fit the title White Wraith if it’s floating like a ghost. If true I hope it’s a new status on weapons as well and not just Dragon element.

[@Narga112]

It‘s time for a new 3rd Fleet Podcast

[@christianpope8970]

Crazy how Uth Duna already gets hefted XD bonked by hammah girl then choked out by Arkveld-

[@idrnkwindex1664]

What if (big if) the ONLY returning monster we have in this game is Rathalos. i know know many people want Lagi back, or some other fan favorite. Personally, as a 5th fleeter, i kinda like the idea of a fresh restart. Rathalos, being the first flagship being the only returning monster in this new gen would be kind of poetic to me. I dont really have a favorite monster, so Id have no problems with this. Random thought: the fire chicken kinda looks like Dreadclaw from Wild Hearts

[@NeoZanther]

PlayStation Prices are: $69.99 for Standard, $89.99 for Deluxe and $109.99 for Premium Deluxe

[@jurassicgameing8069]

Im callin it now lagiacrus is going too be the dlc equivalent of what deviljho was in mhwi

[@Squallcloud95]

I did not expect february! I was telling myself do not get hyped act like it will not be out until september 2025! I'm so glad time to prepare some days off!

[@LatinGman]

The white wraith 23:01... glows blueish purple... like that hammer set with the exposed brain.

[@ultimateblue2197]

Let's GOOO!!! 👊

[@cloud9demon72]

Oh my God this is effing awesome!

[@hyperionloader]

Rurikhan you gotta talk about the PC specs requirements and recommendations. This is unbelievable. 60 fps with frame generation? They act like the DD2 shitstorm never happened

[@brennancurrier806]

4 Days before my birthday. What a great Birthday present next year capcom. couldn't be happier :)

[@Duppy0906]

The flagship is so similar to some Frontier monster i noticed

[@muhdzaki1909]

that purple monster kinda like from frontier monster has whip maybe not

[@benquirobiequiratman4646]

i cant wait till Valentines ill buy it

[@facade11663]

Pre order is ready on steam. I have already done it.

[@pierrickoger1148]

the MUSIC holy shit

[@gantz9900]

Whip weapon confirmed ✅

[@MYyGUN]

Swimming😊 climbing 😁 monsters hunter remembers!❤ I need da goldbreard! I need peku peku!!

[@Shiftshapercat]

I am starting to think there will be 2 flagships in the game. the symbology of the monster design in the title menu clearly showcases two monsters. We hear the phrrase "WHITE Wraith" It follows IMO there would be a "BLACK Beast" to go along with the dichotomy on display in the title.