Monsters Inc vs. Muppets: Will Disney Make the Right Choice?

[@jasoncarbone5553]

The smart move is taking over the Animation Courtyard. Taking a more or less dead space and bringing it to life makes to much sense to walk away from. The Muppets may be the most underutilized IP that Disney has. If the goal is to make more money, adding a Monsters Inc. land AND expanding on the Muppets IP generates the most income. As a wise man once said, “Follow the money.” Thanks as always for your time, knowledge and perspective Brickey!

[@JoshuaModerwell]

Exactly. It would make sense to put it right next to Toy Story Land since there's plenty of space in that area.

[@zenomorph8806]

Yes, but Disney hasn’t been doing smart things lately (exp: EPCOT)

[@chrisxglass]

I sure hope that Muppets will stay put at Disney's Hollywood Studios. I love that little area so much, and Muppets are such a beloved franchise!

[@Primogen16]

Beloved by a relative few of us, but perhaps not so much by the general public. The eight theatrical Muppet films have made only $316 million total. Compare that against the five Alvin and the Chipmunk films, which have made $1.4 billion total.

[@annieskywalker9290]

​@@Primogen16i dunno, Muppetvision 3D Is still a pretty popular attraction yo this day It even gets full in the last years

[@FunAtDisney]

I think it will and the new Monsters area will go in the Animation area. The franchise is beloved but not as much by this generation sadly.

[@DrStarlander]

I worked in the consumer products field and worked with just about every Disney brand and sadly Muppets just doesn't connect nowadays. I think about how big a success the Barbie movie was and I think a key part of that was the brand poking fun at itself, including Mattel poking fun at itself, and being self aware of its dated-ness, and having fun with it. I think the way to make a Muppets movie today -- to rekindle interest in the brand -- is to make a self-referential movie that is aware that the Muppets are dated... the Muppets would be essentially ignored by the Disney company (their trailer on the Disney backlot is towed away, have Iger make a cameo where he won't "take a meeting"). So contractually they are freed up to go elsewhere to make a movie, so they go around Hollywood trying to find any studio willing to work with them, they try to be "cool" on TikTok, etc. I think it could work with older audiences like myself (age 50s) because there's an opportunity to draw a distinction between the '70s/'80s and modern day, and for kids I think a property that makes fun of itself is something they can respect.

[@Primogen16]

@@annieskywalker9290 But it isn’t popular enough to drive Muppet merchandise sales or have lightning line purchases. Disney wants attractions that will increase park revenues.

[@karebear3152]

Monster's stage show, oh you mean Mike finished his musical? "Put That Thing Back Where It Came From Or So Help Me!"??? That would be hilarious and amazing. 🤣

[@philliprodriguez461]

I was going to say that too! This would be a perfect show wherever they decide to place this land 😅😅

[@SuperFabulicious]

Muppets to me will always be iconic, despite perhaps not having the same hype as whatever new animated film is hot at the time. Kermit and Miss Piggy are like Mickey and Minnie in my eyes. Everybody knows them, even if they aren’t IPs they engage with often outside of the Disney parks. All that’s to say they absolutely need and deserve a presence in the Disney parks! Muppets courtyard is so much fun and just needs a bit more love!

[@People_of_the_Mouse]

Also flow. Courtyard has opportunity to connect to TSL and SB. They would be helping the congestion in TSL and removing two complete dead ends.

[@StromboliTastesGood]

I first saw you on the WDWNT podcast w/ Eric. Then I went to your channel. Your content is so great and you truly care and enjoy the parks and what they mean to you comes across in every video. I enjoyed all your vids but the one that got me to say “he gets it” was the Disneyland skyway video. You pull no punches. It was honest and informative and entertaining. You are an Epcot guy and you don’t even know it yet 😂 keep up the great work. And thanks for all the time and effort you put in.

[@natsirt0088]

Imagine if they announce at Destination that Muppetvision is moving to be replaced by monsters but the Muppet land concept is replacing animation courtyard. Josh will get a standing ovation for sure!!!

[@edstrong597]

Another fun, video keep up the good work. If Muppet corner goes away it’s sad but not as big a tragedy as Rivers of America going away. I know I enjoyed the Muppets as a kid, and my kids enjoyed the latest movie Muppets Most Wanted. I do understand Monsters Inc is more popular now so I can see why they would replace Muppets for Monsters. Having both in the park sounds like a win win, especially if they give the Muppets corner a little tlc.

[@kentslocum]

I'm still sad that Disney didn't find a way to have Star Tours board and disembark guests in Galaxy's Edge. 😢 It feels strange having an immersive Star Wars ride not connected to the Star Wars land. Definitely needs to be relocated.

[@ericiancarr]

Can't wait for more DCA project speculation/analysis

[@RonanBunny]

Praying for Zootopia at DCA🤞🦊🐰🤞🥕

[@kentslocum]

I can't comprehend why Disney would spend so much money to acquire 20th Century Fox and the Jim Henson Company, only to do absolutely nothing with that intellectual property. 😢

[@Primogen16]

If Disney is thinking long-term, they will redo the entire Animation Courtyard because that will give them more room for expansion. But if they are only thinking short-term, it's cheaper to build the Monsters coaster on Grand Avenue (where Muppets 3D is). One problem is that the animation building, which is currently being used for office space, hasn't fully depreciated yet, so tearing it down now for Animation Courtyard construction is expensive on paper. Unfortunately, Disney has a reputation for being cheap and short-sighted. One of the reasons that the River's of America is being paved over is that it is expensive to maintain and so they let things deteriorate. Disney also didn't think ahead and build some attractions far enough apart form each other so that Disney can later put in walking paths to the outer perimeter of the park for expansion.

[@dereckwithac]

I would assume that if Disney fast tracked depreciation of Galactic Starcruiser only after a few years of operation it can fast track the remaining few years on the animation building (standard is 39 years for commercial). I’m not sure when that building was built though. Assuming it opened in 1989, it would make it 35 years old…

[@Primogen16]

@@dereckwithac You can’t fast track depreciation, and the Galactic Starcruiser building isn’t being demolished.

[@MikeLevak]

Well my kid is 9 so maybe I can give some Muppet insight here. When he was around 4 he became a big Muppet fan, so much so that he made me learn how to make Muppet-styled puppets over two years just so I can make Mahna Mahna and the Snowths for him. Two years ago, we finally got to Disney World and the first attraction we saw at Hollywood Studios was Muppets 3D. He then trotted quickly through Galaxy's Edge (much to my chagrin) and ultimately begged to do Muppets 3D again. He was seven at the time. Two months later, he got hooked on Star Wars ("I wanna go back and build my own lightsaber!!!"), The Dark Crystal, and other epic properties. Mahna Mahna and the Snowths mostly sit in a closet collecting dust and only come out to show a new friend once in a while. He still likes the Muppets and if the attraction is still there, we'd likely go and watch. But would he buy merchandise? It would have to be incredibly good quality items, as though they came from Henson's workshop, methinks. So if my single data point is worth anything, I'd say having the Muppets in the same area as Monsters Inc might work if the monsters and Muppets can somehow tie in together. I really don't see how but I'm sure they'd go well together as there must be at least a good deal of overlap between young Monsters fans and young fans of any kind of puppet. Would it be horrible if the 3D film got reworked with a Monster or two thrown in? Could that rekindle interest in Muppets?

[@kristenw218]

Congrats Mark on 50,000+ subs and counting!!! Glad the community is growing!

[@JBX302]

Bob Iger told us he doesn’t think anything in the park needs to be revered. After watching the Jim Henson documentary, I fear he might think, “that’s nice enough.” I think keeping the Muppets aligns perfectly with the original intent behind Hollywood Studios. I hope that’s enough to keep it off the chopping block.

[@WDWCentral]

Brickey! You should make a video just about Muppets Courtyard! There are enough Crazy muppets fans to watch said video

[@ChienaAvtzon]

Regardless of where Monstropolis ends up, Star Tours should be moved into Galaxy’s Edge. All the “Star Wars” attractions in that land. Considering the scale of the main attraction, the Animation Courtyard is the ideal location for Monstropolis. It would add capacity and a family-friendly atmosphere, while the Disney Jr. characters still roam around the rest of the park.

[@FunAtDisney]

I am glad I got to do the tour at the Animation building years ago during the first few years of that park. Actual animators were in there working on real projects. They sold hand-painted cels that were done of Mickey just for the shop. I still have one!

[@Cheetapens]

Hollywood Studios has always suffered from a disjointed landscape. I think placing monsters in the animation studio is the best choice. But I also think Muppets need to move over to where the Lightning McQueen Theater sits now and make a complete and better Muppets area. Turn Rockin Rollercoster into a Mayem themed ride, and even an occasional takeover of tower of terror. This gives a massive area from Indiana Jones to Star tours for something else cohesive in thought.

[@kentslocum]

I completely agree with you. Obviously it's incredibly expensive to relocate an existing attraction, but Tokyo Disneyland is replacing its Space Mountain, so there's precedent. I've always argued that Disney Hollywood Studios needs to think more long-term, instead of always putting stuff where it's most convenient. I think Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor should move over from The Magic Kingdom as part of this Monstropolis land, too.

[@twoblacklabs904]

Star Wars Launch Bay in the Animation Courtyard is ridiculous. How many Star Wars locations do you need at Disney’s Hollywood Studios? The location is RIPE for a Monstropolis renovation…

[@Huntbeck33]

You’re the best! So detailed and honest. Keep up the great work!

[@josephobermeyer2258]

I agree with you Bricky. Love muppet courtyard, but we need SOMETHING to keep bringing us. The shops are basically never opened and foid needs to improve. I hope that Disney can bring monstropolis and more muppets!

[@benmarxxshow]

Obviously the Animation Courtyard is where it *should* go. But it is also a little complicated because word is that they are keeping Rockin Rollercoaster - which I greatly enjoy - and that would put two thrill rides essentially right next to each other. To space out the attractions, I sure would love to see Disney build out into the parking lot on the east side, east/northeast of Galaxy’s Edge. But that ain’t happenin’ I hope someone with authority is scouring Reddit and KZbin and TikTok and forums, and coming to the conclusion that loudly and clearly, the fans don’t want to get rid of The Muppets at this park!

[@jdbbella4163]

While we know not to put too much stock into Disney concept art, they definitely explored 2 options in this concept’s long history. In Animation Coutyard, the marquee you mentioned is from the Harry Hausen restaurant in the movie (& referenced later). I personally don’t think we need another table service at HS and I think this would be one given the movie. I’m not a huge muppets fan and I still don’t want it to go, but your comment about they need to be in or out on it is spot on. People will go back there if there is something to go to. The restaurants aren’t great and shops are closed. Give us a second muppets attraction. Even something for little ones would be fine…like at the level of the Luigi’s ride at DCA, but themed to muppets. Give families a reason to stay in there. Park the muppet mayhem van near there with short shows or meet/greets. Anything to bring it to life. Sadly, Star Tours doesn’t fit anymore and may be on a future chopping block, but I don’t think that’ll happen for quite a while. I think in the end, it makes best business sense to take animation courtyard. Now…where can we put Zootopia at HS? 😂

[@yvetteford7555]

I think making the Muppet area more relevant is a great idea with the Animation Courtyard used for Monsters, Inc - if the Current Muppet show was turned into the Muppets having a show as Star Wars characters (how much fun would that be 😂) that would connect Star Wars and Muppets allowing Star Tours to stay. Just a thought. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@ChienaAvtzon]

Star Tours should be moved into Galaxy’s Edge. Especially, since that hotel was closed down.

[@krispe8531]

One of the first things I thought of when the announcement was made was “please please please make a real Harryhausens Restaurant!!”

[@starship824]

The rivers of america already put a sour taste in my mouth, removing muppets might just do it for me. The only way to save the idea of putting it in Muppet's Courtyard is by either moving my Muppet vision 3D to another area or making this new area so good that everyone forgets about Muppets and I have little faith that they can do that.

[@BAKER22-l4u]

Lol..Oh well. You'll get over it

[@natsirt0088]

Nobody with forgive them for killing Kermit. If you have to move it, I'd say the theatre next to Figment would be perfect!!! Though adding capacity should be the first option!!

[@nzjonty]

If they get this right it’ll be amazing - excited for these new projects. Thanks for the updates!

[@MissMyMusicAddiction]

i agree that animation courtyard would be the place to go BUT the one thing that would be cool about putting the monster coaster in muppetville is if the gravity building sticks out into the parking lot, instead of trying to hide it (like the GOTG gravity building), it could be used as a gigantic facade that could be sculpted, and have an "M" on it, turning it into a big, exciting tease to families entering the parking lot, kind of like seeing Spaceship Earth when you are driving into the EPCOT lot.

[@eddieo6466]

I just wish there was a place to build a MUPPET MOVIE RIDE...to take the place of the Great Movie Ride!!!

[@kentslocum]

So many rides could be given a fun refresh with The Muppets; there have been rumors and suggestions about The Muppets taking over The Hall of Presidents.

[@judithmedina4822]

I hope they don’t take the Muppets away! When we went, we were so happy to see the Muppets there because they took the one from DCA away! Great video too. You have a great eye on where things might go.

[@lauriepelayo296]

I've been wanting this theme over by the monsters inc ride in DCA for years. The bones are there, just needs a little imagination.

[@lifewithlulu4056]

Agree! Makes sense!

[@NecrofilmLTD]

There seems to be 2 rows of 4 palm trees coming out from Star Wars Launch Bay, just like the Monsters Inc concept art.

[@AndrewBouma]

I heard the Muppets area concept art was made in 2020 meaning the plans were originally to replace Muppets but it changed to animation courtyard.

[@bub8752]

Love your technical approach

[@maimoneattia]

@HeyBrickey Hi Brickey, love your deep dive, esoteric videos on the parks. Have you ever created a video on the way Disney uses various visual elements, such as the pavement and lighting fixtures, to transition guests from one land to another? I'm sure you know all about this. I can't recall if you've examined this, but I think it'd be a great topic.

[@pyttiusfloor]

Hahaha. “…until cancelation or completion. “ I love that was said. I felt like a lot of D23 announcements belonged in DCA’s old Blue Sky Cellar. Things might be in “active development”, but how many concept art pieces never made it to completion, whether partially or completely?

[@thevanillaflourette]

Put Monstropolis in Animation Courtyard BUT move Muppet Vision 3D to McQueen’s show building. Then retheme Rock ‘n’ Rollercoaster to Electric Mayhem. Done. New fun Muppet area AND a new land area for another IP.

[@markturpin2103]

My kids got hooked on the Muppets through the Disney Jr reboot of Muppet Babies on Disney+ which is EXCELLENT! I grew up with the original Muppet Babies and loved it, and I have to admit, watching the new ones with my kids is great. I don’t always watch my kids shows with them, but I will pay attention to the Muppet Babies. The Muppet area in Hollywood Studios could use some attention. I would buy Muppet Merch if the stores were open! Expanding into that parking lot doesn’t seem like the worst idea. Could they do a Muppets dark ride through the Muppet theatre??? Trackless dark ride where you see all the CRAZY stuff that happens backstage. Animatronics like Statler and Waldorf from Muppet Vision, plus seeing more of those beloved characters alive in a dark ride attraction would be amazing. This would draw folks to that area and compliment Muppet Vision which must stay as it was Jim Hensons final project. New Muppet Babies ended after three seasons which is s shame, I felt it could have kept going. Connecting kids with that IP is important. Sell Muppet Babies Merch! Monsters Inc in animation courtyard is a SLAM DUNK!

[@FunAtDisney]

I do believe (and hope) it will go over to the Animation Courtyard. There is much more space and the layout is made for it. Apparently WDWNT got some inside info from a contact that works in one of the buildings behind Launch Bay and said they have given a heads-up that they could be re-located. And yes, the Muppets need some much need attention! An updated movie would be nice but at least bring some life back into that area!

[@genappithy]

I know relocating backstage offices isn’t easy, but at least at Disneyland management has been willing to move offices around to build new rides. Galaxy’s Edge and Runaway Railway both required the razing of offices to build.

[@JP-1990]

Idea for a kiddy attraction: "Scare School with Boo!" Little kids put together a monster costume and pretend to be scary little monsters.

[@FunAtDisney]

I do believe (and hope) it will go over to the Animation Courtyard. There is much more space and the layout is made for it. Apparently WDWNT got some inside info from a contact that works in one of the buildings behind Launch Bay and said they have given a heads-up that they could be re-located. Also, they have done this before at Disneyland when Galaxy’s Edge went into mostly back-stage space. And Disneyland is much tighter! And yes, the Muppets need some much need attention! An updated movie would be nice but at least bring some life back into that area!

[@marcpaquette8241]

Disney could have a big win with the Muppets in Hollywood Studios, they could make a Muppets land around Rockin Roller Coaster. They could re-theme the Coster to feature Dr. Teeth and the Electric Mayhem, move Muppet Vision 3d, and bring back the Great Movie Ride with Muppets as the characters (would love to see a Gonzo “Alien” dropping down from the ceiling.

[@elizabethlongo4540]

Animation Courtyard takeover just makes more sense to me. I love the Muppets. If they would make another muppet attraction, or Update the current movie, reopen the shops, etc I would gladly spend time and money there. Monsters INC will be a great addition to the park. I would much rather see the courtyard get revitalized and transformed. 🤞🏼

[@Cheezbat]

The problem with animation courtyard is that the building is used by executive offices and break areas and they do NOT want to have to relocate their offices. Grand Ave has been neglected….its a shame they don’t open the stores and give more love to Muppets.

[@MrMhfreak]

With respect to losing backstage space.... Could they go.. up? Put the "backstage" on a 2nd or 3rd floor of any buildings they build. Could work with proper planning.

[@Jarvel5]

Good video. Lets go with animation courtyard. The fact that they havent gave anymore info really worries me about the Muppets...

[@AmyDunham-q5s]

Another great video !

[@shannongm8]

After seeing the concept art for the new Cars land & Monsters Inc. land, I'm curious if Disney is signaling an upgrade to/overhaul of Tomorrowland. It seems redundant to have two separate driving rides in the same park (new off-roading Cars attraction & Tomorrowland Speedway) and a whole land dedicated to the same IP as the Laugh Floor. Also with the addition of Tron, I could see Disney leaning into a more futuristic aesthetic & bring in a more cohesive feel for that land as a whole.

[@ElleElla-nf4cj]

Launch Bay makes the most sense for Monsters land. It’s dead back there. It’s wasted space as it is right now. You do a great job of breaking things down and making sense of them. Loved your vlog on Magic Kingdom/ new Cars land. It has to be done to keep up with Universal. I do hope Disney exes find ways to give guests who don’t do fast rides a place to go to at MK. My question for you is: do you think the raceway area between Fantasy Land and TomorrowLand will be taken out once Cars arrives at MK? That could help expand TomorrowLand and help it become what it should be. It could knock everyone’s socks off. Thanks !

[@mushieslushie]

With Universal building a 3rd park, there was a lot of discussion around Disney building a 5th. My opinion has been that there are too many places inside the parks that need help, Dinoland, I guess now also Rivers of America, and Animation Courtyard to name a few. I would be shocked if it's not Animation Courtyard.

[@JoshuaModerwell]

If they're going to have a Monsters Inc, area built at Disney's Hollywood Studios, then it should be built right next to Toy Story Land since there's plenty of space in that area.

[@carreck111]

Imagine we get a living Roz animatronic in the queue for the Monsters Inc coaster. That would be awesome. They need to get rid of Mermaid and maybe move a Plus'd version of Laugh Floor in the Mermaid Space from MK? They could add the Tag Ride from TDL where the Junior dance party is?

[@kenpace8089]

As far as Muppets are concerned, I think it is a nostalgia IP for 45 year olds on up. If Disney wants Muppet relevance again, bring back the Muppet show like before, Sunday evenings, great family time, tapping in to stars of today. When I visited Hollywood studios 10 years ago, I don't even remember the Muppet corner. Right now, I remember the big Magician Hat, Rockin Rollercoaster, and Indiana Jones Stunts. Monsters Inc would be a reason to fly across the country to visit.

[@ronkaczmarekjr6380]

How about move the Muppets to the closing Lightning McQueen building and changing RocknRoller to Muppet Mayhem coaster creating a new Muppet land?

[@vrodtrippin]

I think using Animation Courtyard is the best use of current space. That section is so under utilized. Retire Disney Junior stage to something similar for the littles as HS needs more to keep families with littles in the park. WDW needs to invest some money into Muppets Grand Avenue space and people will go. The only draw there is MuppetVision. No shopping and the food is consistently rated as bad most of the time. The 2 specials that were on Disney+ were pretty good. Add Electic Mayhem on Grand Avenue and change PizzaRizzo to something with better food and either Swedish Chef or Dr. Honeydew and Beaker. I know the current space is small but maybe push out a little there to flesh out a better Muppets area. If anything goes forward with expanding Muppets it's not likely to happen in the ne t decade though. Looking forward to following more of your thoughts on the D23 changes to come.

[@dothacker10]

Thank you for giving me hope that there's a chance Muppets survive. I haven't been able to make it out to WDW yet and I'm hoping when I do I can experience that Muppets land.

[@toddw8396]

Looking at the model, it seems like just the queue area is pretty wide; I’m not sure it’s dimensions would even fit at all in Muppets area. Also, there are some reports that people who work in the office spaces behind Animation Courtyard have been told they will be relocating soon.

[@hlavco]

I'd prefer the Monsters go into the Animation Courtyard, but if they replaced Star Tours and coexisted with the Muppets, that could actually be interesting to see. Muppets *are* monsters, after all. Making a "monster"-themed land instead of a "Monsters, Inc."-themed land would make the area more versatile for future additions. Star Tours, meanwhile, should be relocated into Galaxy's Edge. That place seems very large compared to the amount of stuff there is to actually do there.

[@People_of_the_Mouse]

If you look at the recently published attendance numbers you can see new attractions drive the growth.

[@MoiveGuy24]

It’s going to go on animation courtyard, hands-down there’s way more space for it and I had the same idea about the Disney Junior dance party that they could turn it into a monsters Inc. dance party or they could move the laugh floor from Magic Kingdom and bring it to Hollywood Studios to put in the monsters Inc. land best for the little mermaid show. It’s actually coming back and it’s gonna be a new little mermaid show with updated technology so I don’t think they’re going to touch it anytime soon. Also, they updated Star tours with new locations.

[@FunAtDisney]

The issue with the Muppets is exactly what you said: It’s a nostalgia IP, not a current one. They are well loved but not so much by GenZ and I get that. Disney first needs to somehow make the Muppets relevant again to today’s audience but that has mostly failed on Disney+ . I personally thing it is because today’s generation doesn’t grow up on Sesame Street. Yes, I know years ago the Muppets Disney has and the Muppets on Sesame Street. became separate franchises. But back in the 1970’s and 80” Kermit and many other ones were on Sesame Street so kids who grew up on that (as my younger sister did) moved right into the Muppet movies, the variety show TV series and all. And because I watch those along with my sister I related to it as well (so did my friend who would come over in the afternoons) and we all loved the first few Muppet movies. In a strange way I think it’s up to parks to lead the way instead of the other way around. How? Update the movie but bring in a C-ticket dark ride of some sort. Similar to what Monster’s ride is at DCA.

[@mikeb.7183]

Seems like the two renderings were created to fit one location each.

[@yvettechristensen8315]

I sure hope they keep the Muppets. Going in October and I will make sure to give Piggy some love just in case. :(

[@justinfriedrich5741]

To be honest, I have only seen a few muppet projects recently or when there was a couple movies out, I never actually seen the muppet show and maybe the closest that I seen it KZbin talking about the Muppets show or a KZbin videos about Muppet Vision 3D. However, I might be wrong because they did replace Splash Mountain with something mediocre that even if there’s a Carland replacing Rivers of America it will still be mediocre, I don’t think they will get rid of Star Tours. I mean it’s basically like the Splash Mountain of Hollywood Studios. Sure, there’s the Millenium Falcon ride but compared to Star Tours the amount of spaces on the ride is minuscule to the other that even if they moved Star Tours over to Galaxy Edge they may will have to construct another building to move it all. We don’t exactly know if Disney has the money or not because it may be either cheap like DCA opening if they don’t have enough money, they might burrow money from investors to make it if they don’t have enough money, and maybe they do they just don’t want to use it until they are surely know what plans to use. To be honest, I think the animation courtyard may actually be the best place. Maybe the stage show could stay because the villain could tie in well to the monster universe or it could change to the villains show to accommodate the monster stuff because villains are definitely monsters. However, if they do choose the muppets and Star Tours then maybe they can use the failure hotel as a little expansion to Galaxy edge to include the Star Tours stuff, which may break the timeline of Galaxy Edge but come on the sequelogy era is pretty much as popular as the worsest sci-fi movie. I get that Galaxy Edge is immersive but it definitely be better if there were an attractions where Star Fans can know that there are in the era of Star Wars. Plus maybe they could add like a dueling space mountain kind of ride to signify the Jedi and the Sith. Just speculations theories, but I don’t think Disney will ever have time to look at KZbin comments, but if they did then they would know whatever they do could not bring back the magic that was lost it will only come back if they cared about the guests. Well, when the time comes guessing we’ll see if the magic of Disney is still there. Even though, I may be a little optimistic that the Disney magic is still there but at the same time there are times where controversy and political uselessness clouds the magic like the dark side. I hope that changes soon otherwise I’ll probably might jokingly say Universal is the new Disney.

[@lilipa6773]

If I worked at Disney i would replace lighting McQueen racing academy for the new monsters inc land and i also would replace Star Wars launch bay with cars land

[@vaderman212]

Disney keeps giving up on the Muppets because they keep trying to use the main crew. The Muppets Mayhem didn't have any of the main crew (last second last episode cameos though) and they really, really fleshed out every member of The Electric Mayhem. It was a fantastic show, it's just that nobody watched it because Disney dropped all 10 episodes on one day on Disney+ and had decided it wasn't going to light the world on fire before it even premiered. I genuinely believe if they took more of the side characters and breathed new life into them they'd have some solid winners.

[@x2fishyy_108]

Sadly I think it will be where the Muppet are from the concept artwork it fits with the buildings and just replacing the existing fountain. Its a shame because i do agree it would be better in the courtyard space

[@KeithGreenBiopic]

If Disney screws this up, it’s on them.

[@jimmertownsend3464]

I think that Muppet Labs needs an Imagineering lab attraction. I'm sure that the death of Henson and the reticence of the Henson company has made the Disney company leery of investing in new Muppet attractions. It seems like they're trying to gauge interest using the Disney + Muppet content.

[@amerson511]

I hope Muppets 3d will possibly stay as Monsters Inc would most likely be the choice to be in the Animation Courtyard. 🤞

[@bigthrillsmike3950]

I would choose animation courtyard but I do think muppets is a fairly high possibility unfortunately (probably above 50% imo)

[@JoyleiaJo]

Star Tours is still my fav ride!!! Maybe they could just park rhe star speeders over at Galaxy's Edge? Or better yet.... make the EXIT of Star Tours spill into Batuu!?!!!

[@wheelindisney5874]

On the Muppets side, I don't see a reason that they would have to remove Star Tours. Leave that in place. The Muppets area is right up against the edge of the park. Expansion out into the current parking area wouldn't be too tough. The door coaster building could be entirely outside of the current park footprint, leaving lots of room to create Monstropolis with only minimal disruption to backstage operations. PizzaRizzo and mama Melrose's could remain as restaurants with simple re-theming. Of course, I really hope they leave the Muppets alone and put Monstropolis in the dead Animation Academy.

[@disneylandx123]

As someone who uses the parking garage and the office building behind animation court yard, I hope I don’t have to move my desk for a third time. I rather have them move the one security cm and one custodial cm at star cruiser and build it over there.

[@Primogen16]

I've heard one KZbinr (who I shall not name) claim that some of the people in the animation building have been told that they would be moving, and that's why the KZbinr is confident that Monsters is going to be put in the Animation Courtyard. But it sounds like that's not true, if you are still hopeful that you won't move out of the building.

[@disneylandx123]

@@Primogen16 I can say I just moved back in this year and the company is really pushing us away from remote work from home.

[@DrStarlander]

Sorry for the potential disruption, folks like you are just trying to do your jobs. When people talk about tearing those office buildings down, they're not thinking how it affects people's day to day lives. Good luck, if you move, hope they build you a nice new office.

[@Primogen16]

@@disneylandx123 I sympathize. I used to work for Disney in Burbank, and it seemed that they would move us to a new office building every year.

[@jamesgriffiths3031]

To be honest I don't care much for attempting to hide tower of terror. It's unavoidably tall, a welcome sight to see such an icon and looms in the background around the park. Not a big deal if they build Monsters in the animation courtyard and save the muppets!

[@dillonohlemiller401]

They already confirmed they’re not replacing MuppetVision

[@Primogen16]

@@dillonohlemiller401 If they haven’t issued a press release or parks blog saying so, it hasn’t been confirmed.

[@dillonohlemiller401]

@@Primogen16 they literally just refurbished the ride. They wouldn’t do that if they were planning to tear it down

[@Primogen16]

@@dillonohlemiller401 That’s what I think too, but that still isn’t a confirmation.

[@RobertFerrell-x6b]

I like the Muppets presentation show The back area launch bay sounds really good. Since Star Wars Land has opened the star wars items like launch bay and star tours belong in the new land. Of-course, I'm one who like the sound experience with Drew Carey was interesting, like the sound experience they once used in great moments with mr Lincoln. I've hoped they had opened the hall of presidents in California. But in a dreamer.

[@RyanCameron]

I think the big problem with Disney's handling of the Muppets is they try to pigeon hole them as either a kiddie property or an adult property and the Muppets work best when they straddle the line of both. If they are aimed solely at kids, they get dumbed down. If they're aimed at adults, they become mean and lose their innocence. The 2015 Office-like Mocumentary series started out badly. It got better once retooled but got canceled before it had a good chance to shine. If the recent Muppets Haunted Manson and The Mayhem series are any indication, they are in the hands of people who do know the Muppets well enough to do them right. Disney+ did a disservice by dropping all of the Mayhem series at once leaving it to be forgotten in no time at all. But all the merchandise for those shows were D23 exclusives or Mickey's of Glendale. It's hard to show the merch will make money at large when it's only in places behind a paywall.

[@disconnected5495]

The muppets are under utilitiezed. Disneyland had a great show where the muppets sang christmas carols in muppet chaotic fashion in the park for 1 Christmas season. It was a huge hit! Reasons unknown ownership won't return it. On top of Igor being unsure how to draw the line between adult and kid humor.

[@kevinpeterson6468]

Comment before watching: I would be more than ok with monsters replacing muppet vision if there was a plan to insert muppets into attractions like hall of presidents or even if there was a promise to make a great muppet movie ride.

[@drewwhitney7327]

I’m sure it will be a great ride, but what does it have to do with Hollywood Studios? We’ve been asking that question for a decade now with Toy Story Land and Galaxy’s Edge replacing the tram tour, but it bears repeating.

[@Zveebo]

Bob Iger’s intense disdain for the Muppets is pretty well known, so I just assume if he’s still in charge when the final decision is made, the Muppets will be gone for good.

[@BAKER22-l4u]

Idiotic

[@waltsapartment-105]

I wonder if they’ve made the decision already and it could be really unpopular, hence the delay. Coming from a construction background, I can think of a number of problems with the animation courtyard. This is what I fear. I fear that logistically, muppets might be the only place they can do this.

[@SlimeSquare]

Replacing Star Wars Launch Bay seems logical, but with limited office space at WDW property... There could be a wild card third timeline that involves WDI Operations deciding on replacing Aerosmith and Lightning McQueen's Racing Academy as a catch-all solution to satisfy both Muppets fans while retaining the precious office space Art of Animation offers CMs. With Aerosmith now retired and Cars receiving the full treatment at New Frontierland, they're is little reason to keep a troubled coaster or a low volume Cars attraction. Looking forward to a reaction next week after Disney makes the final announcement. Vibes over rides. 🤙

[@mikesteinkrauss9773]

But that just replaces an E-ticket ride with an E-ticket ride, and does nothing else. They could have tried to reskin rock and rollercoaster into the monsters ride, but they have committed to this new ride system. Plus of course it means 3-4 years of being short a rollecoaster. Ultimately they will reskin Rock and Roller Coaster to another property, and year probably replace the Cars bit, But that would be the future, and I would bet it would be a reskin, and not replacement of the rollercoaster

[@SlimeSquare]

@@mikesteinkrauss9773 but it's not just replacing one E-ticket ride for another; it's replacing a 25 year old problematic ride system based on a 53 year old band with one of the biggest and most merchandise-able brands in Disney history. And I don't suggest they reskin Aerosmith. I suggest they bulldoze and retheme that entire section of the park to Monsters Inc. Aerosmith is a high maintenance ride and WDW Operations can't wait to be rid of it, so I don't think it'll be reimagined, unless they figure out a way to keep the building, retheme the facade to Monsters, and install the Vekoma ride system they're committed to without compromising the integrity of the ride or the story. Why closing Aerosmith is okay: if you recall, Aerosmith was recently down (again) almost half a year for a major refurbishment, and its closure wasn't detrimental to the flow of the park as you're suggesting, due to Hollywood Studios being so E-ticket heavy. We'll know soon enough what they decide. After all, they could cave on Launch Bay and try to keep Rockin' Rollercoaster on life support for another 25 years. If so, a Piston Cup reimagining of the ride and its immediate area would be a cool tie-in with Racing Academy. Ka Chowww

[@radventure4231]

I could see Disney Build Monster Inc behind Muppets expand into the parking lot and speaking of Star Tours they need to have a path that connects into galaxy edge and have that path separate Muppets and Monster Inc

[@thecrazydisneyparksfanatic921]

After hearing their plans for the rivers of America and Mark Twain riverboat to outright remove it just to add a new land, I’m scared about what they’re going to do with the new monsters Inc. land

[@toddhensley880]

I grew up on Sesame Street and the Muppets. My kids never cared about them, and neither do my grandkids. Sorry, Jim Henson.

[@Jay-wk9xj]

You failed as a parent. My kids love em.

[@toddhensley880]

@@Jay-wk9xjkids like what kids like. Even my oldest and youngest sons were into different shows, and they are less than 4 years apart. Kind of like my mom was a big fan of Roy Rogers. That was definitely not my thing.

[@eliassmeke3991]

Please 🙏 let Disney’s Hollywood Studios keep Muppet Vision 3D 🙏🙏🙏

[@katherinejenkins5049]

What if they bring Monstropolis to the west coast and put it in Hollywood land at DCA? We already have a Monsters Inc ride there so why not expand on the theme?

[@juanperaza6942]

They should put this at California Aventure at Hollywood its a big space and ready to go

[@funkydino]

Wherever it does end up going lets hope it's Zootopia/Fantasy Springs quality and not Toy Story Land quality, which is frankly pretty terrible

[@happymaskedguy1943]

You know what looks incredibly bad? The front of the building being a parking lot. Waw, so magical Disney.

[@Primogen16]

It's magical if it is small and has fanciful cars parked in it.

[@happymaskedguy1943]

It’s a car park. I’m sorry, but that is a terrible concept no matter what you put in it.

[@Kyle_The_Mighty]

Just as an FYI Brickey, you put the wrong video in the link at the end. You said to watch this video to hear about the controversy of bringing Walt back to life, but the link is to the skyway video. And now I'll just use the rest of this comment to reiterate what I said in my other one - don't take my muppets!!! Seriously... it was bad enough they took it away from DCA, don't now take away the Hollywood Studios one also. Oh wait a minute.... maybe they can bring it back to DCA. I like Philharmagic, but I would take MuppetVision over it any day. Bring it back to DCA and then I won't care what they do over in the swamp lands.

[@skh1964]

Probably going to take over Muppets from the concept art to me. I’m not expecting too much.

[@heidihobear]

Looking at the drawings I can tell it’s the court yard

[@rdwalston]

1. Why is Star Tours not been moved to Galaxy’s Edge in either park? Where they are now is a jarring and GE needs more to do 2. Disney isn’t quite sure how to do the mix of dark adult undertones and childish absurdity that made up the OG muppet show. Henson was wanted to make puppet content aimed at grownups but could only get studios and stations on board if it was sold as kids shows. Also, when content was intended for kids it was done in partnership with child education experts. (Seasame street) Defunctland did a great series on the muppets. Disney has mixed adult and child humor well, but not in quite the same way as Henson did. He talked to kids like they were as intelligent as adults, but not going over their heads. They also don’t seem to get the Muppets are kinda supposed to be underdogs. They show them more now as celebrity insiders and that kinda kills the connection to the audience

[@People_of_the_Mouse]

There’s facade of a restaurant from the movies in the concept art.

[@lifewithlulu4056]

I think if any attraction is important to the fans then they need to ride it/ do it. Fans are constantly complaining about losing certain attractions, but the attractions that usually get closed and repurposed are ones that don’t receive a high volume of guests. Fans don’t usually care until they announce the closing of the attraction. By then it’s too late. For example the beasts castle at DCA. Way before the announcement of closure I went in there and there was hardly anyone using it. I saw people sleeping in there and not using it as it was intended. When they announced the closure FOMO happened and it had huge lines 🤦🏻‍♀️ IMO it wasn’t even anything worth keeping open. Bottom line if you love something enjoy it as many times as possible because as time progresses what was important to us when we were little isn’t as important to the next generation. Even Walt knew this and sacrificed projects he loved for progress. Disney parks aren’t intended to be a museum. I personally would much rather have muppets 3D at DCA than mickeys philharmagic, but I think that area needs a makeover too. It seems to have the same problem as animation court. I would love for them to put monstroplis in Hollywood land at DCA. They already have one attraction for monsters that’s popular, imagine the roller coaster going in one of the show buildings there? Anyways, they don’t always listen to the fans and that’s a good thing. Some things they need to listen to the fans about like Tomorrowland. I think the 2010’s have been all about fixing the problems that Eisner created throughout the Disney company. Today it’s about continuing to fix Eisner problems compounded with fixing the chapek messes. Iger isn’t fully innocent either so hopefully the new CEO will be a person of vision, creativity and risk taking. We need someone with the spirit of Walt to be running the company for sure.

[@RangerThings1983]

Disney doesn’t need to figure out where the land is going. They know where it’s going. They just want you to stew and speculate on where it might be. They 100% know and didn’t release details on location purposely. Either because they will back out on some of these announcements, despite saying “all is these are happening”, or they will change based on reactions and feedback.