Blood Bowl 3's Monetization Practices are Bullshit

[@TheNzFox]

"will be able to earn premium currency through the game" has always and will always be code for "we give you a token amount for doing basic things, in order to keep you logging back into the game and looking at the storefront" . No dev has ever put effort into programing a microrotation in the hopes that people wont use it and the fact all the cosmetics are a ONE TIME use clearly shows Cyanide intentions behind their store, they saw the 'live service' train and wanting in on it, completely ignoring how that train is a giant dumpster fire with games being canceled left right and center

[@hambango]

Completely agree. To add insult to injury, the devs made the conscious design decision not to show mutations on player models (a feature that has been in BB2 since its release) because they apparently clashed with the microtransaction skins. Or maybe they just want to milk us for those, too... This right there tells you everything you need to know about their priorities. Do not buy this game.

[@rodon8643]

Holy crap?! Mutations dont show up? Okay, i am not touching that game. Thanks for the warning and thanks MA for that video!

[@hambango]

@@rodon8643 Yep, at first I thought it was just one of the many bugs, but then i read that the devs stated on their official discord channel this is by design. Refunded the game two minutes later.

[@stryke-jn3kv]

Wow, that's just genuinely wow. I got fed up of the constant re-releases of the game back in the first game, but that's just on a whole other level.

[@thegrimsaxon790]

Removed from my wishlist. I am getting increasingly tired of these predatory practices from game publishers. I don't care if they "fix" it, I ain't buying. The only way they will ever learn is if they haemorrhage money on all their projects. Unfortunately I think there will always be enough people with too much money and too little sense buying into this garbage, so I guess we are stuck with it.

[@crisisgear]

It is truly shocking, but here's a kicker for you. I bought the brutal edition, I made and customised a black orc team using the special black orc customisations given. The next time I logged into the game the customisations had disappeared, I went to re-equip them and it seems the game just lost them (it says they are equipped on another team, they aren't, they are just lost in the ether and the only solution the game has is to buy more of them). They count as rare and therefore cost 95 warpstone per piece. What a load of bullshit. As much as I want to enjoy this game it has so many flaws and polish missing, such as poor performance and remember how in blood bowl 2 mutations were shown on the character when you got them? No not here. Save your money and don't buy this game until they have fixed things and added improvements to the game.

[@osidiusemphatic]

Even then, don't buy it. Why should these companies ever be forgiven for releasing predatory, defective products? If this was any other industry, that would never be acceptable.

[@RandomPlaceHolderName]

@@osidiusemphatic It's been this way on mobile for about a decade. But yeah, don't buy it.

[@ihaveacookie4226]

Stop supporting bad practices how hard is this to understand

[@osidiusemphatic]

@@ihaveacookie4226 It's not that people don't understand, it's that a lot of people simply want to play a particular game and don't care about the bad business practices behind it. We wouldn't have yearly FIFA or generic Far Cry games etc. otherwise.

[@ihaveacookie4226]

@@osidiusemphatic Exactly therefore I will continue to blame the consoomers for the destruction of my hobby, forcing me to play with the sweatlords on Fummble.

[@Marlerc11]

Not to mention the 7 teams in the game that data miners found locked away 😅

[@pronumeral1446]

29 pounds ... that's $51 Australian dollars! WTF. That's the cost of two meals at a mid priced restaurant. It's 3/4 of the cost of a full price game ($69).

[@Johndawolf135]

Was on the edge of buying this, but decided to wait until release. Dodged a bullet it looks like. Bought Blood Bowl 2 and I’m already having a blast in eternal league.

[@whosthere8658]

Same here bro. Time for the ogres to have some fun.

[@robnoel9306]

It BLOWS MY MIND how developers screw up game sequels so BAD when their fanbase clearly want to love the game.

[@tipsybowman]

Selling currencies in multiples that always mean you'll have "a little bit left over" is incredibly scummy - it makes people want to keep buying more, as otherwise they think that they're wasting the bit left over. Josh Strife Hayes has done several good videos on this nasty little tactic.

[@TerdleYT]

Legendary items were also available during head start (later renamed to early acces in the advertisement due to the drama), they cost 750 warp stones.

[@MonstersAbound]

Oof... thats £3ish for a single item.

[@miraclemaker1418]

It's mindboggling that they thought making customization options unshareable is a good strategy. This game should be boycotted and abandoned by the community till they step back.

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

When people say "If you don't like microtransactons, don't buy them", I'm going to send them this video and the one Arch did about it's constant failures to even load to begin with. Even if you refuse to engage with them, it absolutely makes the rest of the game worse because the game becomes designed around coaxing a few extra quid out of you rather than providing an experience worth paying for.

[@duncanmcokiner4242]

@Fundamentally Unorthodox Hi. He's not a neo-nazi. That accusation started after he appeared on a stream to DEBATE neo-nazis, and calling people nazis is the same tiresome slander that radical leftist subversives use to poison the well against everyone they don't. There's a reason "Everyone I Don't Like Is Literally Hitler" became a meme.

[@consistentlystupid4726]

I think I could stomach their customization prices IF it unlocked the customization permanently and you could just put that option on any as many people from as many teams as you want. The fact that you have to buy the same piece multiple times is absolutely absurd for the prices they cost.

[@gypseyslap123]

If a piece could be used on any number of players, it would be forgivable but still bad. They way things are now, I won't be touching the shop and i hope everyone else does the same. I am livid that mutations dont show on players. THAT is ridiculous, and was in bb1 ffs

[@Dracosian4802]

Honestly I was deceived into pre-ordering this game I didn't expect much "ah whatever it will just be a digital adaptation of the board game it probably won't be great but I'm sure it will be fine" ...and yet I am still very much disappointed welp time to go back to building my table top teams...at least I can customise them by converting them

[@robnoel9306]

You weren't deceived by anyone playing that's for sure.

[@Dracosian4802]

@@robnoel9306 if I had known how the game was monetised and/or the state in terms of missing features I would have brought bloodbowl 2 or some table top teams. while it might be contrived to justify using the word "deceived", the choice I made lacked information that the developers had withheld and therefore I do feel pretty deceived or at least severely disappointed

[@hithere5005]

Games across the board have gotten a lot more greedy in my opinion. Turns out appealing to children to take some loans from the bank of Mom & Dad so they can look cool online is the most profitable path they can see

[@sabine4180]

I really wanted to pick this up as my intro to blood bowl, holy hell, maybe they'll fix it

[@khorneschosen7561]

I'm surprised they didn't charge for blood effects...

[@versok2999]

Wouldn't be the first time, eh?

[@vadersfist1775]

It‘s really crazy. At this point it‘s becoming cheaper to play the tabletop and physically own the teams

[@vulkan1179]

That thanks for watching at the end broke my cold dark heart

[@motokuchoma]

People called me crazy when I said it about BB2, but I already noted there that Cyanide has been limiting game modes and single player intentionally because they want to stop hot seat, and therefore force your friends and family to buy extra copies. Looks like they went even further with it in this game, just to stifle even more ways someone could use the game in a not-monetizable fashion. Dont buy this game, dont give a single cent to Cyanide. Make them suffer for this unrelenting greed and force them to make a good game again.

[@2009VandA]

Unfortunately all the long time leagues I am in are moving up into BB3. So unless I want to just leave the community I have been in for 15 years I have to upgrade to BB3. Good thing I don't really care about anything in the store.

[@patrick791L]

I finished the campaign and had no rewards whatsoever. Won as champions of chaos, no beastmen cheerleaders that I saw in game, no new coaches unlocked, no pitch, no stadium, no player parts, no balls, not even a little congratulatory message at the end, just the abrupt end of a match. Very disappointed after waiting years for this game, all they had to do was do BB2 again at its most basic.

[@KraiseGaming]

Blood bowl fan since a child with the board game. Loved it.. Am so disappointed to the point of heart broken.

[@MonstersAbound]

It's a weird decision to be sure "if" they had their entire season stuff up to speed then... maybe it would make more sense. But they've just dropped this hot mess in our lap and said "it'll be fine inna bit! Promise!"

[@KraiseGaming]

@@MonstersAbound didn't they say the same with BB2. And that released better.

[@SkavenDan-TotalWar]

What a title!

[@MonstersAbound]

I know... It's kinda click-baity and I HATE that but I was genuinely incensed about the monetization.

[@SkavenDan-TotalWar]

@@MonstersAbound I mean if you disagree with the process then it is a valid title dude. Don't let that bother you everyone clickbait's it seems I need to get into it lol

[@midnightz7]

@@MonstersAbound Click-baity, but in a good way :)

[@MPostma72]

With a title like that, you know it's going to be a good video.

[@akitainu78]

Same for me... can't remember since I was that angry about something! The hate is strong in me...

[@thefenrisianssweatshop]

Yup. Cyanide have COMPLETELY put me off purchasing BB3. I have the table top version to waste this level of money on already.😂

[@hunterironside9969]

so it's about 35 dollars to buy the warp stone needed to "completely" outfit a team. a real team in plastic is 40-50 bucks. The gonna have to come down in price.

[@relaxedrac8469]

I wonder if they intentionally waited on earning warpstone in game so everyone customizing their first team has to pay full price?

[@MonstersAbound]

The current customisation options are VERY limited I suspect the game just launched well before it was ready.

[@Kakorott]

I could be wrong, but i believe customization was baseline in blood bowl 2, at least on the characters. like you just got several options when you added a player onto your team. and from what ive seen there are at least as many options as are available here...

[@AndySabola11]

Monumentally dense decision. My 2500 vet team will look identical to a rookie team unless I pay? Ugh. Basic customizations should have been included. They still could have sold extra mods and made money.

[@MonstersAbound]

Absolutely, a basic set of 5 customisations per player type that are multi use, if they want to then have snazzy upgraded ones... fab, but having everyone look cookie cutter is bollocks.

[@timato234]

Respect for not pulling any punches despite being given a copy by the devs

[@MonstersAbound]

I never do really, I just enjoy games and have such a broad mind you could use it is a gangplank to board yachts with. Its just thus monetization which had really got my goat.

[@scrooge-mcduck]

That one was on my wish list for a long time. Thank The Bearded One I have watched a few reviews before impulse buying. Now it's gone off the list and I'm not buying it. These shenanigans need to stop - not even a MVP on launch, buggy with microtransactions galore also buggy. This is an insult.

[@DaTruff4real]

I was going to buy this game Thanks for talking me out of it.

[@thomashendricks33]

Blood Bowl 2 complete edition is ~$6 on xbox (for the next 5 days) if you have gold/gamepass ultimate.

[@cptarianus824]

Currently BB2 is like 6 EUR in full, Legendary Edition :D

[@manedwolf815]

I don't own the game, but based on the content and the server issues that I've seen, this is far from a finished product. They either were rushed to release when the weren't ready, or they are woefully out of their depth in what constitutes a playable game, let alone a good one.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

The funny thing is that this is the fourth time they made the same game and they still didn't get it right!

[@manedwolf815]

@@HarryBuddhaPalm yeah, pretty poor, isn't it? I like Warhammer and I like blood bowl. Can't bring myself to spend money on a game that is this unfinished and poorly designed. Probably won't at all now that I know it has micro transactions.

[@sotla]

What a disappointment. Its incredible they thought it was ok to release the game like this. Just label it early access if you think you can fix it by May, or bloody delay it again if you cant. So embarrassing.

[@sirchansferdxD614]

When a customized character dies do you still get the stuff back at least?

[@MonstersAbound]

Essentially that would free up the item so I guess so, although some people have reported that deleting a team just loses the items so...

[@SuperDoggy99]

I refunded this garbage after 5 hours. Couldn't be happier. Keep in mind that the game has no basic customization options at all. Also, they removed mutations from the game--presumably, so you would have to buy them. It's pathetic.

[@zsinj7]

"It's going to be about the same in dollars. Thanks Liz." Brilliant

[@minutemaidification]

She'd love blood bowl 3, Nacon is obviously going in dry

[@morpheusft7633]

More like: thanks brexit voters.

[@avatarofpapermagic]

I earned 250 warpstome already? On top of the 1000 I got from the brutal edition. Haven't spent any yet

[@MonstersAbound]

I believe (happy to be proven wrong ) they granted everyone some warpstone for the bad release and also everyone got the brutal edition by accident, so they also have let everyone keep the 1000 warpstone

[@avatarofpapermagic]

@@MonstersAbound I'm lucky enough to live in Australia. So I managed to get a refund off steam even after 24+ hours playing the game. It's an atrocious cash grab and I'm so disappointed in it. Mutations not being shown is so poor on top of recycled commentary. Hurts my soul to see it like that

[@somethingclever7180]

I've been watching bloodbowl content for a while and thought the release of a new version with updated rules might be a good place to start playing myself. Luckily I watched some videos before buying and rather than paying launch prices for a buggy mess I got BB2 with everything included for $6 and am happy as a claim so far.

[@duncanwooten455]

Do you think you will be posting any more videos on this game? If not would you consider playing blood bowl 2 because these videos are really entertaining.

[@ZZ-cr9pz]

It's sad how they ruin the whole franschise :/

[@kevinschaude6592]

I think it hurts more because I have grown to care about Cedric and Enders. Now we will never seen them grow and learn and then mutate into ravenous Chaos spawn.

[@bigsarge2085]

How do you really feel?

[@MonstersAbound]

Not angry, just disappointed... which we all know is worse

[@AFpaleoCon]

No amount of cosmetic MTX or premium cash shop is acceptable.

[@freelancerblitz2579]

Im from Wakefield! are you from wakefield? or is it just a random team name? lol

[@versok2999]

And here I thought it couldnt get worse than darktide, wow.

[@toshshadowshield]

In addition if playing on PS4 you need PS+ to play against anyone other than AI.

[@TheFinn70]

I should be outraged, but it's Games Workshop, so it just feels unsurprising.

[@mateofantasma]

this video helped me decide. I am not getting this game.

[@SavageTalk]

so fucking furious at the piss poor state of this game....and its ridiculously over the top predatory monetization schemes....and i love bloodbowl...these people need to all be fired....the nicest punishment they deserve.

[@SquatchViking]

Just doing a little follow-up math based on your own, as of now, there are 12 races that you can make teams based on. If you wanted one team of each race, and you wanted to fully customize each player on each team, it would cost *387* American dollars, or about 324 pounds. I also saw someone mention that there are currently 7 unplayable teams locked away in the game's files that were datamined recently. ASSUMING that, when/if they launch, they release with the same amount of current cosmetics that the other teams have, that brings the total number to about 613 American dollars, or about 513 pounds. Jesus fuckin christ. So, Blood Bowl 2 playthrough when? lmfao

[@alexsala1416]

What a travesty. I was honestly looking forward to a new iteration of BB with better campaign/league play. I guess BB2 LE is still where it is at.

[@UlvenDagoth]

Welp, seems like Blood Bowl 2 is the one to go with.

[@MonstersAbound]

At the moment, certainly

[@Oldman78]

Welcome to live services.

[@Oldman78]

Sow they literally put sbmm in a turn based pvp game why exactly.

[@Bgrubz]

We’re coming to a point where micro transactions are going to be needed to play an actual game after you already fork out for the base game. I give the game industry another 2-3 years with this model before we see a resurgence of “classic” game design. Where you get what was promised and paid for.

[@Bgrubz]

Also had 3 on my lost and was stoked it was coming out but after hearing everything about it I think I might just go back to 2 and pickup the other DLCs I never bothered getting.

[@Chexmaster]

I got 1000 from pre order the basic one

[@markpacquing1325]

oh wow it was really disappointing.... and here I really enjoyed your Blood Bowl video and considers buying it

[@MonstersAbound]

Hold off until AT LEAST when Season 1 is released (End of May) they "may" have gotten it under control by then... and it'll certainly be much easier to see just how slimy their monitization practices are.

[@ClausMllerJensen]

At the time of this writing, Blood Bowl 2 Legendary Edition is 4.49 EUR on Gamers Gate... just sayin'

[@bradp6452]

Seems like the game is bad on many fronts. I hate the microtransaction model. I think they based their pricing on fortnite or something where my son and his friends drop like 15 bucks to a skin with accessories. I just often play that with all my options set to random for the like 80 skins I have unlocked based on an initial 8 dollar buy in plus time playing with my son.

[@7nineofspades5]

In comparison to a bunch of other games the price of warpstone isn't THAT bad, though I am someone who basically will never buy them regardless. The non-shareable skins is pretty egregious though, especially given the incedibly limited number available. Including custimisations on AI teams that you literally cannot get in any way is also incredibly stupid, the whole point of having them in is supposed to make you want them, which in turn encourages you to spend money.

[@noquarrel2758]

At least the customizations aren't NFTs

[@MonstersAbound]

...yet

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

I'll just stick with FUMBBL.

[@TGSpectre1]

So disappointing. The blood bowl series has been an odd combination of compelling gameplay presented in the worst ways. The perpetual re-release of BB2 under an new name with a handful of additions was grating. BB3 just seems nonsensical.

[@Oldman78]

And what do you think deablo 4 will be. Will see. But it's blizzard.

[@accountnamewithheld]

"Is this fun" has taken a backseat to "Is this free money" in gaming these days, it's fucking abominable Don't buy this game, it's actually sad.

[@christopherdorazio1705]

Part 2 looks way better anyways

[@catbwoy]

Thumbs up for the use of 'fucknut'. Needless to say, won't be buying 'cos microtransactions

[@Oldman78]

I mean there is no point in sbmm in any.pvp game but again why in a trs system. That is literally the old school sbmm but it works. Sow why in this kind of game.

[@teambellavsteamalice]

You'd be surprised how stupid and wasteful many people are. Some spend hundreds of dollars... a month. For over a year. I played a couple of free to play aka pay to win android games, just seeing how far you can go without spending money. Just save up any free "gems" and don't waste them on speedups or things you can grind or get eventually anyway. When I see this, I'm thinking, why can't these morons spend it on a real game, a PC game that actually took loads of people years to develop?! tl;dr So, in principle it's a nice option for cosmetic things, but view it as a donation to support the makers! I would expect it to be user-friendly onlocks (any player of that type) and slightly more options for a lower price (like 10$ to equip an entire team and any future teams of that faction). Kinda like a dlc. The multiplayer mess is something you'd be embarrassed for in an alpha... No words for it really.

[@GameLover45408]

I'm afraid this is about making money.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

It'll probably end up costing them in the end.

[@r3kk3n54]

nahhh think imma give this one a pass swipin to the fuckin left as it were

[@davincisama]

Disgusting, this is an outright scam.

[@mckitten9643]

This reminds me of the bullshit that PoE does with cosmetics. If you have a cosmetic and want to equip it on 2 (or more) of your chars, you need to buy it twice, or you can only equip it on one after unequipping it from the other first. Even though it's a game where you can only play one character at a time anyway!

[@davincisama]

The difference is that PoE is F2P

[@jmurray2018]

Why y’all getting so worked up ? We have blood Bowl 2 we don’t need a lesser version heavily influenced by EA This s Diablo immortal with a football

[@strangethanyouwaldo437]

could play blood bowl 2 please?

[@FoulPet]

4 the algorithm. Micotransactions suk.

[@Oldman78]

Try destiny 2. I no it's not rts based system but it's better than this and Yes it does have sbmm but it's better than nothing at this point.

[@Oldman78]

Welcome to modern gaming 😁😃🤑🤮🤯💩😉🤥🐮🐋😈. The devil's we no sadly.

[@garvielloken3929]

Pproper BS!

[@gftvletsplay4087]

Sorry to hear that but Im still sticking with 3. BB2 wasnt a bed of roses when it first launched and now look at it. I had 7 good online matches out 2 bad one's. Dont care about the microshit cause I bought this game for Blood Bowl not Barbies dress up. As for the datamine stuff, well the dev. said your getting 12 team at launch its your own fault for peeking and its not that of a big deal if your a patient person. Anyway great rant and cant wait for your next game with Nurgle. Take care.

[@MonstersAbound]

With the utmost respect is is a Barbies dress up, and the fact that you have to pay through the nose to play barbies dress up is, as stated, bullshit. If you don't want to fiddle about with that part of the game that's absolutely fine. It's just weird you jump on a video about that aspect of the game to related how little you care about it. As for the teams being left in the game, I don't really care all that much. It just really shows what an absolute shit show the release was. As much as the recent community update tried to smooth things over they're currently sitting at mostly negative and 3 months before they implement any actual season features which is their whole "live service" model. I want to like this game, I want it to do well. I'm just not convinced it won't be all but dead in 3 months.

[@gftvletsplay4087]

@@MonstersAbound Sorry, I didnt mean to start a fight after re-reading my post I came off of as an asshole. I just get tired of watching people playing this game having fun only the next day crying wolf of "Dont buy this game" or telling people on what to do with thier money. Anyway dont let this issue get you down or my comment. We still have BB2 till this mess is fixed. Take care 🙂.

[@cruzrazo9045]

Ok the damn game isnt even officially out yet its buggy as all hell and your complaining about customizations. Look what do you think is priority fixing the game or worry about the dress up part.

[@MonstersAbound]

...the second bit.

[@hambango]

Priority for the devs? Yeah, definitely the second bit. Did you see the official roadmap for the game? A pause function and resume after disconnect are planned for season 2 in August! Unbelievable. The microtransaction skins are already in place, though. There's your priority. The game was officially released yesterday, btw. And the state of the game is just mind-bogglingly bad. At this point, I'm almost shocked they bothered to implement a way to close the game without having to ALT-F4. Would have made a nice feature to look forward to in Season 3.

[@TheOriginalElkstone]

I assumed that Bloodbowl 3 died on release. It had better after the money grubbing from Chaos Edition, 2, 2s various DLCs, etc'

[@MonstersAbound]

There are 3 months till season 1 (which is bonkers in itself) leave it till then and see if its improved, which would be my advice

[@Lutz2]

Hardcore Monetization? Blood Bowl 3 is already 🪦 for me before I bought it. I really wanted it, but now seeing this 2:00 💩, no thx Cyanide! I stick with Blood Bowl 2 now. It wouldn't be so bad if you only had to pay Warpstone for one customization and could use it infinitely, (even this is s**t) instead of paying for every f*****g Player and Team.