Montana Muzzle Loader Hunting | The MeatEater Podcast Ep. 649

[@benjaminwagnitz1056]

I miss these post hunt podcasts on location. Brings me way back. With joe Rogan on prince of whales island black tail hunt... hearing the pouring rain on the tent... felt like I was there

[@thedelightfulcottage343]

My Dad hunted with a flintlock with a round ball, I remember him showing us the ball he found while processing the deer, it was flattened. I also wanted to say thanks for the videos and podcast! I am a women who passed on the love of hunting to two of my sons, my Dad took all 11 of us chidren hunting with him when we were children (not all at the same time😅) I hunted some as I grew up, but I have supported my sons in their hunting experience.

[@austinsuter1990]

I feel like I learned how to think in high school debate class more than I learned how to argue. The answer to multiple problems here might be really excellent debate teachers like the one I had. She taught ethics as much as she taught debate.

[@jaseskcur1224]

"Today's children are tomorrow's enemies" sounds like an Idi Amin quote; those t-shirts will not sell well. But it's hilarious 😂

[@cpsencik04]

Bill-cap….never have I EVER heard that term

[@NothingIsBetterThanButter]

Excited to learn something boys!

[@rileysnyder5154]

Steve, what you need to find is a used T/C or CVA "Hawken" with the 1 in 48" twist. Exactly what you described.

[@spacemanspif]

And isn't the traditions Kentucky rifle kit exactly what he described. Then he could build it with the kids.

[@rileysnyder5154]

@spacemanspif no, the Kentucky is a 1 in 66" twist, but their St. Louis Hawken (also available in a kit) is a 1 in 48"

[@Duckhunterbow]

You need a Lyman "trade rifle" or "deer stalker". I have a .54 percussion deerstalker with a peep sight and 1:48 twist that shoots hornady conical bullets very well with triple 7. I don't think these are made anymore, but you might be able to track down a used one.

[@patrickmeeks1923]

They have been brought back

[@mrfish49el]

Vetting children before teaching them is some "thought police" level thinking.

[@VerticalBanana-v9s]

Its called shit talking

[@dcollay17]

Its literally what the right wing thinks school is even though its the opposite.

[@mattvaandering]

i remember hearing that we wouldn't need our wisdom teeth removed if we ate more tough meat. the repeated pulling with our teeth would naturally create space over time.

[@TopgunmavRC]

I like the setup in the trailer slide out 👌Makes me wish I was camping!

[@jacobs4341]

TN doesn't require landowners to buy a license and it extends to children and spouses.

[@HortonHomestead]

Cocking a hammer without spooking game is simple. Use your thumb pull back on hammer partially. Use index finger to pull trigger. Cock the rest of the way with thumb. Release trigger. Slowly lower hammer to resting at full cock. If you do this it is silent to go from half cock to full cock. Also when your talking about pre rev war America all flintlocks were single trigger. Also you flintlock woes could be fixed by a quality rifle. I recommend kibler if you want something period correct and of the highest quality very reasonably priced. TC and other retail flintlocks are responsible for your misconceptions about flintlocks. a quality rifle with a sharp flint and dry powder is going to go off with near 100 percent success.

[@andrewwilliams8558]

At least third time heard this about using the set trigger........JUST DONT USE IT.......got into muzzle loader hunting with my dad as a kid growing up KY/OH/IN tristate then flintlock seasons in PA.. Got a few including a custom walnut beautiful flintlock. Non I've ever had or shot for that matter are those set triggers a must to actually function. The main trigger will engage just a stronger pull weight. The set can be used to set a hair trigger...so imagine taking your out of the box, modern rifle with it set at around 3.5Ib and changing it to a triggertech, with the weight of 1oz pull.

[@salacommander2674]

I was gonna say I don't think using the set trigger is always necessary... I've only ever watched people shoot flintlocks though so wasn't entirely sure

[@Dylan-jw8if]

The Snake river on the washington/idaho border you can hunt and fish the water, i.e. from a boat not from shore, without having the other states licenses. Can't put boots on the ground/river bed.

[@tristonbowen9923]

The state of Indiana allows non resident landowners to hunt their land with landowner tags and reciprocates with the state of Ohio

[@charlessims314]

Steve look into the Lyman trade rifle. I have one and have shot Thompson center maxi balls and Hornady p.a. conicals with great success. It needs a #11 magnum primer and would greatly recommend the fiber optic sights available through Midway USA . Hop this info helps.

[@RyanHaney-f9q]

All I can say Steve is good luck finding percussion caps

[@roww22]

steve talked about this debate thing before. like that movie where they arrest people before they commit a crime. lol

[@MarcBauer-s1m]

I think TN is the same as OH as far as allowing people to hunt their own land without a license/permit. And, I don't think there's a land size min/max.

[@veteranoutdoorsman9978]

Steve needs the Traditions shedhorn. Its exactly what he described

[@kevinnitti228]

I've shot an elk at 200 yards with my knight mountaineer muzzloader inline rifle!

[@matthewgoode5836]

Virginia would apply to the Ohio reciprocity.

[@thedelightfulcottage343]

I was coming here to say that! I love that my boys can hunt at their grandparents farm even tho we live states away!

[@anthonydonley3977]

FYI. Non-resident both-see deer license in Ohio is $75

[@alexw4366]

32:20 why is Seth saying he is confused when he already said PA doesnt do that but in his hypothetical he already said he knows they dont allow is but if they did?

[@Dylan-jw8if]

the idaho lifetime license guarantees you OTC tags as a non-resident but you still pay non-res prices if you are not a current resident.

[@jonessportfishing]

You would have had to buy the lifetime license when you were still a resident of Idaho. I have had several buddies buy their lifetime license as they were on their way out of state.

[@fishduckdog]

My military night vision optics worked like that.

[@ralphramos3004]

As far as debate goes, teachers train HOW to argue...not WHAT to argue.

Ohio and Ontario are like that. There is a line dow. The middle, if youre over jt kn either side you nered the other license to fish. Hard to enforce in the Central Basin. 28 mikes to the middle and from there no landmarks in sight. Of course our GPS mapping shows us where we are in relation to the line. In the Western Basin, the better smallmouth fishing is on the Canadian Waters.

[@woodsmn8047]

your muzzle loader might be a Thompson center Renegade if they still make that model that's the one I used and it was a tack driver with one trigger and all the rest in 58 caliber

[@gimpyoldhunter]

I live in upstate New York and I own property in Mississippi and have always hunted as a resident in Mississippi because I live here at least 50% of the year. However they recently changed their wording of the law so that it reads if the hunter has a active driver license in another state you can not use the Mississippi resident license. You must purchase a non resident

[@vontothemax]

Looks warm but cold lol

[@clayacurry]

Mississippi allows that

[@thisffinguy]

Powder and ball is gunna make a comeback

[@tomgensel4134]

Thompson Center is starting up again. All my TC's are what you're talking about.

[@matthewlahaie8202]

“To educate a person in the mind but not in morals is to educate a menace to society” - Theodore Roosevelt -

[@MeMe-YouYou]

Lake st clair is same way, invisible line deviding rules between michigan and Ontario

[@lisaannaallen6283]

steve you don't have to use the set trigger, jest have a gunsmith smooth out the front trigger .

[@amerritt09]

11:00 I'll reply on behalf of Steve's wife. The whole point of speech & debate is to teach kids how to advocate for their ideas. If you have an idea or value and your "adversaries" are well trained in debating against you, it's because you either have a bad idea or bad skills at defending your ideas. Speech & debate inside a subjective echo-chamber is not speech & debate - that's just like-minded people agreeing with each other. AKA a podcast.

[@lukea2806]

I’ll reply on behalf of everyone else. Steve knows this, and his story is tongue-in-cheek.

[@saxtongreer]

I have in fact been doing the "pull method" since I started hunting at the age of 9. My dad taught me that method and he had being using that method for many years. I first heard Steve mention the "hat grip stabilization trick" years ago on a podcast, and couldnt beileve it wasn't more mainstream. It is at the top of the list for most usfeul hunting tip, in my book. The "pull" trick is definetly an added bonus to an already great trick.

[@Eric-dr5bj]

I don't know what this pull method is but I pull my binoculars into my brow bone to hold steady. Works pretty good

[@saxtongreer]

@@Eric-dr5bjso it’s hard to explain but I’ll try. You clamp the bill of your ball cap with your hands, and then “pull” everything away from your face. If you start your hands positioned just a little further back than you want, then pull it puts tension in all the right spots, and is rock solid.

[@jimhans1]

California (I know, it’s a shit place to hunt in general) if you get the California lifetime hunting license, it’s good even if you move out of state, you just pay the non-res fee for any additional tags. BUT, if you buy the tag upgrade to the lifetime license, it includes the fees on your first tags even if you move out of state…

[@johntauzin4705]

It was BP on the tournament issue.

Dont you worry, Steve we're almost to the nueralink phase to bring the kids to your way of thinking early, but 'til then, if you plan to run for office, you might keep the "today's children are tomorrow's enemies", on the down low, lol.

[@evanrindal6392]

On the speech and debate topic: steve’s opinion: don’t educate a child, because they may have contradictory ideas than him. So what are your thoughts if PETA started the same idea, and wanted to vet kids on their ideals before educating them on debate? Know Steve would not let that shit fly!

[@donemanuel6080]

MN has a 40 acre min landowner tag

[@tjspence2390]

I’ve shot several deer with a patch and ball out of a percussion muzzleloader with actual black powder. If you hit a bone, the ball can flatten out and come apart. If you double lung broadside it generally goes straight through. Usually blood trails are minimal for the first 30 yards and then you pick it up. They seem to make it about 80 yards and then tip over from a double lung broadside shot. In my experience at least… With a Maxi ball (heavy “conical” that is shaped like a soda can) they generally have a better blood trail and seem to only make it half as far. A high shoulder shot will anchor them in place.

[@toddstewart9437]

Indiana residents who own land in Ohio are granted the same license exemption as Ohio landowners. The 5 acre "rule" is not a state requirement, however certain local zoning authorities can/ do mandate acreage minimums.

[@rayrosendohl7192]

I live in southern Illinois, we got some bullshit laws. I know a land owner that has about 80 acres. He got a nuisance permit, and in 2 years he killed over 150 deer, he said they was all does, all year long. And it was a law that you had to leave them lay,. That’s crazy to me, what do you guys think, would love to hear you all talk about it

[@JohnVerzuh]

I do not get what the big deal about landowners needing or not needing a tag for their own property? Just buy the damn tags! They are usually the cheapest part of hunting and provide lots of recreation for the hunter (and non-hunters too).

[@craigmcvey2808]

Imagine you had fruit trees on your property and had to go buy a special license to eat the fruit. That's the idea behind harvesting meat. I understand both sides of the argument because those deer also wander on other people's land or public and eat. But the idea is, "why do I have to pay extra money, to eat food from my land?" I can imagine that's the big deal to landowners who pay taxes already and also have food on their land already. Maybe helps explain the other side of it. Any thoughts about it?

[@jobbybohnson6818]

​@craigmcvey2808 i would agree landowners don't need tags but definitely need limits

[@craigmcvey2808]

@@jobbybohnson6818 yeah absolutely! Same bag limits, less regulation to harvest their own land. I'd be fine with this. But...no obvious bait and only for the landowners and kids. No extended family, friends, business buddies etc. If landowners and their kids wanna go harvest, let them.

[@mbowmanvfd]

Life time tags are available in kentucky

[@MichaelwH93]

Wait, I think Georgia allows Georgia residents to hunt their own property and only requires hunters to record their harvest. Would this allow Georgia residents to own land in Ohio and not require a hunting license?

[@KerterBerger]

No fishing during covid in WA? I assume that was an absurd thing that never got enforced like the curfews. People simply will not comply with stuff like that

[@jonessportfishing]

It was very highly enforced

[@donemanuel6080]

A VR device has something similar. Or military night vision devices must have a strap of some sort..

[@josephsteury60]

The Ohio rule works for us IN residents as we own Land in Ohio and do not havta buy a license..

[@TylerLoftis-e9y]

I gave up on the muzzleloader as a kid I respect it but it’s not for me I lived in a wet state I had to many delay fires that made me miss too many bucks 😂

[@CONNERRAIBLE]

The Ohio rule would apply to a Virginia resident.

[@kennethg.7418]

In Virginia a landowner can do the same

[@glennmaynard7233]

Virginia land owners are not required to purchase a hunting license to hunt your own land. Big game must still be checked in.

[@JDizzle7777]

What’s with all the ads?? I’m getting an ad every 5 minutes, this is ridiculous guys

[@USAMontanan]

24:50 Punishing other hunters in your state because of game laws in THEIR state is just one more way to help the anti-hunters divide and conquer. The same destructive way bow hunters and gun hunters bicker and argue with each other over seasons and hunting rules. Soon only the rich will be hunting just like in medieval England. Enjoy!

[@jeffpracht3534]

KY land owners do not need a licence or permits to hunt deer on their own land but must report harvest deer per usual. Sounds like if you owned land in OH, but lived in KY, then you would benefit from this not license law in OH. From my knowledge KY does not have a reciprocity law like this. It sounds like Ohioans don't benefit from it in their own state or other states. But a KY and IN residents would

[@shootermcgavern3309]

Sorry guys, the Brunt boot is a reject of many other types of boots that claim to be good. Podcast good, podcast sponsors not so good!

[@JohnZastrow-z3h]

You need the right rifle and better training then you will find the path to success with a muzzle loader.

[@dcollay17]

So tired of the bear spray talk especially someone like Chili says "well I've never dealt with a bear but I just like the pistol better"

[@TheAcesShow]

You could say that debate idea about anything. Why teach kids math until we know if they are moral? Else they may become business people that rip off and screw over citizens. Why allow them to compete in sports and be fit, what if theyre an asshole and use their physique for physical harm or bullying? I get the theory but you could say it about every subject.

[@shootermcgavern3309]

Okay, after going thru this podcast, it sucks! Worst one yet. Sorry I stated podcast good in my previous comment.

[@rayboule1439]

damn it is painful to listen to these guys talk about muzzleloaders. every time.

[@rdevaughn22]

Steve's right about a lot of stuff, but his misgiving about teaching kids to debate are misplaced. It's just teaching them to articulate their positions. In order for for us to resolve issues through public discourse, we need to get past the lower levels of debate- like ad hominem attacks- something children learn when practicing in school. We need to learn about the logical fallacies and rhetorical tricks you learn to call out in serious debate. I'm not worried about someone being better trained in rhetoric than me. No amount of sophistry will change the salient facts of a genuine argument I'm making, and I'm just not afraid to stand on the merits of the facts and the logic I put forth.

[@joshshook7567]

Montana shouldn't even have this season so I always root for the elk in December

Steve's debate position on this is, " They shouldnt come into town if they don't want to get shot".