Moog Sub 37 vs Prophet 6 : Bass

[@kiko1935]

You are a wizard man. I know it's basic subtractive synthesis but you clearly know these synths in and out and can get very close on both. Great work as usual, even if the video is 4 years old lol

[@ghostfrom1950]

Thank you for having these videos. You are doing synth shops a service as well. If not for your, videos, I'd be doing this in the store and annoying the ever-living crap out of everyone around :D

[@manny_f]

Love your A vs B reviews, best out there.

[@CaidicusProductions]

I love that you make comparison videos of different synths. I would LOVE to see a mega video where you compare more than a few different synths that people might be interested in. Either way, I've seen two comparison videos from you, and it's hitting a very specific spot that pure "this synth review" videos haven't been able to hit. Thanks for these.

[@MadelnMachines]

That was awesome! Great to hear some bad ass synth bass. I've been debating between the sub 37 and matrixbrute and then had a thought of why not get a poly to do everything. I am very impressed by the prophet 6 bass and maybe prefer it's sub osc shape and resonance on the bass because you don't lose the low end. However when you start to overdrive the moog whoops the prophet and everything about it just sounds so perfect. As impressed as I am by the matrix with it's built in effects, routing and sequencer interface I just don't think you can beat it for those low / mid range bass sounds.

[@kierenmoore3236]

That’s what it’s made/tuned for …

[@yardleylfc]

Lovely demo. Would love to learn what all the LFOs do and oscilatots etc. Really want Prophet 6 or similar.

[@StarskyCarr]

I've got a fair few sound design demos that can get you started. Also a whole tutorial course on Udemy and my Patreon ;) kzbin.info/aero/PLWo-iS-wwHXHp9ALSX2s0uTexK5fzQvIj

[@cazalorganism7020]

That’s the only thing with Moog ladder filter, you boost resonance and lose low end.

[@kierenmoore3236]

Get a Pro 3 … the ladder filter has bass compensation !! 😎👍🏼

[@infindebula]

Gotta say, for bass sounds the OB-6 has a very different character from the Prophet and from the Moog. It provides a refreshing change from 4-pole filters - bass sounds are "chewier", maybe "woolier" on the OB.

[@2ammusik]

Since having my Prophet 6, I've always used the Sub 37 as my bass place. One day I decided to use the P6 for everything(including bass). While not sounding bad..at all... I have to say, Moog wins in bass between the two.

[@ChrisRamis]

You are a lucky guy. No need to compare, you own both, that is the best option :) cheers

[@quarkyzarky]

I've had both, while the moog can hit a bit harder, it's a very hard/hollow sound that I found I could almost do better with soft/samples, and def with other moogs or older monos. The prophet 6 bass while not as rounded or 'deep' is actually very cool and has a certain, nicer charm to it (2 voices in unison) that cuts through more in a mix in a very rich musical way, while sub 37 cut through in a harder/colder way. I think the Slim phatty was actually nicer sounding for bass and leads than the sub 37 was, and I now prefer the Prophet 6 and old Roland 2 VCO monos (SH series) over the modern cheaper moogs.

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@quarkyzarky. Amen

[@rleriche5044]

The Sub37 is the bass synth but that triangle(?) sub Osc on the Pro6 is big. I would have like to hear the Sub37 with that option.

[@swiftmello123]

I can't get over the size of the bottom the 37 puts out equate all it's features and build quality it truly is amazing. A very special piece

[@corpeningd]

Fantastic. Thanks much for your dedicated work of getting that done. It is VERY helpful. The Sub 37 and the prophet really are good companions. The P6 comes close to the Moog bass; but as you said, the Sub 37 is simply more 'ballsy'. I don't think you've done any Prophet 12 videos but from all of my research, the 12 (rather than the 8) sounds like the best option for me for my first polyphonic VA board. Any other advise you may have is welcomed. I wish you were in or close to North Carolina. I would definitely pay you for programming lessons. Thanks again!

[@StarskyCarr]

Darryll Corpening if you're thinking of the p12 have you considered the Virus? It's all digital (p12 has analog filters) but it's fully polyphonic and the total integration is very handy - although at time if you use the TI plugin it can feel similar to using a plugin!! I've not tried a p12 but have the virus. The amount of presets available is staggering and the complexity can be daunting, but it'll keep you busy for a while. Happy to give a free lesson if you pay for me to get to you :) just a short hop across The Atlantic.

[@KyleWhitlock-Music]

Night and day between the two! Apples and oranges

[@Beatsmith2005]

I'm thinking of selling my Moog Little Phatty II which I *only* ever use for occasional bass to help fund the Prophet-6.... so I'm on the edge of my seat. I know the Sub 37 is more advanced than the LPII, but the oscillators are just the same. Cheers! Love your vids.

[@solomonjenkins9505]

the oscillators in the sub 37 are exactly the same as in the little phatty? Really? I am heavily considering buying a sub37, was looking at the matrix brute before but it seems moog has a way better reputation for quality and perfection. Would I be better off with the matrixbrute?

[@medievalsessions]

Moog has a reputation for being Moog which is a good thing and if you want "that" sound go with Moog. With that being said the matrix is going to sound completely different and have way more options in tone shaping. You would probably be good with either but it really comes down to what you want, what you are trying to do, and what sound you are hearing in your head.

[@Fishoilification]

afaik the little phatty is similar to the voyager not the sub series which is gnarlier

[@sunilsolanki]

Excellent comparison. Thanks so much.

[@LFOVCF]

Moog volume set higher, maybe you couldn't hear what was being recorded.

[@alexanderbelov6892]

32:05 Sounds like Sub osc level of Prophet 6 is zero, while Sub 37 Sub osc level is non-zero. This is why Sub 37 sounds with more bass.

[@techpsy]

The Moog is, like a mad dog growling. Just love it! Great video! :)

[@TheDrglas]

I also have both and I actually use the P6 for bass in some of my tunes. You can easily get it into more of a Pro-one way of sounding which is a bit different from the Moog. You need to use Unison though with a couple of voices.

[@prophei]

The huge volume differences in parts of this comparison really impact which sounds best. No criticism, as that is tricky to keep perfect, but huge chunks of this have the moog clearly much louder... and anything louder will sound better.

[@StarskyCarr]

You’ve highlighted a huge challenge here. Perceived loudness is dependent on so many factors - the components of the sound coupled with the monitoring system and compounded by the room or headphones. Even monitoring the volumes to within 0.1 dB as I have in later comparisons results in different perceived volumes and human perception monitoring systems simply don’t work on short individual sounds only on tracks as a whole. In the case of something like this I’m attempting to deliver a conversational comparison - not delivering precise measurements. It is the quality of the sound that is important and I’m assuming that the audience understands the difference between that and the volume. Having said that I know it’s difficult to differentiate for most people which is why I show monitoring levels in later comparisons. When creating the sounds, comparing the synths, listening via headphones so I can record the narrative etc it pretty much impossible to keep everything perfect - TV shows have a crew of people to do this, films spend millions but I’m on my own doing it in my spare time for free - so I expect my production won’t be perfect and can only apologise. After so many comments I really do take time to get things as perfect as i can, but again monitoring systems and listening environments all make the perceived volumes different. The end result of this is that it takes me so much longer to produce anything that folks might find useful, which means the content I release is dramatically reduced. I just don’t have the time. So yes I agree it’s not perfect - but it never will be, and attempting to get everything spot on reduces the amount of potentially useful videos I can produce to a satisfactory standard, which in turn reduces the useful content I release.

[@ronnieaux5290]

I recommend iZotope Insight for this. If you match LUFS levels between the synths, you get a better comparison. It's just a TON of work to get it down to the number, and you're already doing a TON of work making these videos. Time to hire some staff? :P

[@ernestbuckley8671]

Love the comparison. Both synths definitely excel at certain things. I own the P6 and love it. For the longest time I was considering the Sub37 as a companion to the P6 but after hearing the Moog Model D, I`m just going to save and get that. Honestly, I think the Sub37 is a beautiful synth and for the price, its a deal but my heart longs for that Model D attitude. Getting back to this video... I think the Sub37 does bass sounds better and thats coming from someone who owns the P6.

[@StarskyCarr]

Ernest Buckley I have a model D video in progress .. :)

[@ernestbuckley8671]

When will your video be available?

[@StarskyCarr]

I'm hoping this week - 2 vids - one comparing with the Voyager and one with the S37

[@ernestbuckley8671]

Awesome!

[@SPAZZOID100]

Starsky Carr compare the D Reissue to a vintage one. The voyager doesn't really get there.

[@zerorossing207]

Might help if you had the Prophet 6 turned up a bit in the levels. Obviously a poly is going to have a different gain structure than a mono. Also, use that high pass with resonance turned up for a nice bass bump you won't get out of the 37. Both great synths though.

[@nsjx]

the hp filter trick for bass is a good call, i use it on my p12 , but it still won't match the oomph of the s37. and pretty basically it boils down to the architecture of the synth and how the mixer is driven. at various points pre and post filter

[@CrazyHorse151]

Playd with both today. originally I intended to sell my Sub Phatty and "upgrade" to the Sub 37. And for a mono synth, I absolutely adore it. Moog Filter, much overdrive and basically "all the features". (I.e. syncing, gating the envelopes as well as the arp, a bunch of modulation features,...) But the Prophet is a hell of a poly synth. The FX and distortion really help create a full-fledged sound on the go. So, I'm a bit fucked right now. The rational thing would be to buy the sub and then use a bit of money to finally buy a small mixer. Also, the Prophet 6 sucks when it comes to modulation. The concept of definiting a initial modulation and then add the depth via wheel is stupid when you want to get precise FM and similar. The sub does that way batter, because yo define the maximum with the targets and then use the wheel as a scale from 0 to maximum.

[@xntricity6446]

What was your decision in the end

[@CrazyHorse151]

@@xntricity6446 As one does, I ended up buying neither and instead kinda stopped buying hardware all together. :'D I'm still split. I think I'd buy the P6 though because currently I'm more into harmonic stuff.

[@xntricity6446]

@@CrazyHorse151 do check out the sequential take 5, that might be a more affordable option. I did have the sub phatty(fantastic synth) but have been lucky enough to upgrade to the sub 37.

[@alpao74]

With the utmost respect, the 2 final notes of the "Chameleon" bass line are Bb Db, not Db Eb. Apart from this unnecessary remark, your videos are amazing. I keep learning new things about synths by watching them

[@StarskyCarr]

Haha someone else mentioned that the first day I uploaded this. I think I described my version as more gecko than chameleon!! Glad you enjoy the vids

[@bennethos]

Resonance amplitude compensation on the prophet ?

[@iantoau]

so you can compare the sounds made to a stratocaster to a telecaster. there might be common ground but they are two completely different instruments

[@StarskyCarr]

Oddly enough (or maybe predictable considering my comparison fetish) I’d be interested in hearing a comparison of a tele vs strat - what really is the difference? Which is best for what task etc...

[@sunburst3353]

Starsky Carr With guitars, the way it feels physically when played has a lot to do with how it sounds in your own hands. Same applies to synths, in that the feel and touch sensitivity of a keyboard & the responsiveness and dynamics of the synth is still important in the final sound when actually played.

[@kierenmoore3236]

@@StarskyCarr In VERY general terms, Teles are brighter and more cutting than a Strat. Strats are a little rounder/warmer … … but both are brighter/‘thinner’ than a Les Paul/most Gibsons - again, in VERY general terms. Gibson ES models are probably my favourite; bigger, rounder and warmer again - they resonate like a piano, almost. Gretsch White Falcons are like a brighter ES. And on and on the variations go … 😊

[@manuvre7999]

Funny to find this video today. I'd been thinking about how to improve my minimal set up. I recently got an MKS 7 which is a great compliment to my P06. Then I bought an SE ATC Xi, thinking I'd get better basses than my P06. And I was surprised, my P06 ain't half bad at just about everything! I keep buying and then selling synths, that are supposed to add to my sonic arsenal. I keep finding my P06 makes them seem irrelevant, in my small scale, limited budget setup! And I had been considering a Sub 37. But, it would be a luxury to have the Sub 37, as many and more of its tricks are available to the P06. I'd have one if money and space were no issue. But thinking economically, I still think a Minitaur, or Dreabox Hades might be the one trick pony I could occasionally use for bass rumbles. At this minute I'm not that much in love with the ATC Xi. 🤔 This is because the P06 is a god amongst synths, and it continues to blow your mind! 😀

[@StarskyCarr]

I had an SE-1 but sold it once I purchased a Voyager. Having to menu dive for oscillator volumes completely killed the flow for me. Sounded great though, and I was loathed to sell it but couldn't justify keeping it. I'd consider selling the ATC for the S37. I never showed the sequencer on the S37 here, which adds a new dimension and turns it into a different machine. I've done a coupe of other S37 vids.. a series of walkthroughs starting here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZquanJV9j5emhsk and a demo of sounds mainly using the sequencer for more chill-out styles here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/bZXQcmWObdirbtk

[@manuvre7999]

Starsky Carr In fact I'm trying to do a deal and exchange the ATC Xi for a DSi Tempest! Short on space so the Sub 37 will have to wait. For that matter, the Deepmind 12 is arriving at the end of this month. But the P06 kills them all, in my world. 😀

[@SPAZZOID100]

maN Œuvre prophet-6 is good, but not warm & creamy like the prophet-5.

[@ronnieaux5290]

Great video, as usual. Why wasn't the P6 in unison mode for this? It would have prevented the noise between notes, you would have had legato instead like on the Sub37 I mean, it's done now. But still

[@StarskyCarr]

+Ronnie Perez yes, I should've done that really. Too much to think about... next time I will :)

[@danwentz]

2 minutes to answer the question, thanks mate :)

[@juliopastor8311]

How was connected? both mono signal?

[@777curiosity]

can the sub 37 modwheel affect the filter cutoff directly? or does it just activate the LFO? im just wondering if the modwheel can just plain and simple affect the filter cutoff freq by itself?

[@StarskyCarr]

+care bEar yes it can but you lose a modulation path. It has 2 mod sections each with an LFO, but you can set the modulation to come from pretty much anywhere. So if you set eg MOD1 to have the modwheel as the source then you lose the LFO as a source. You can also in the settings add for each mod channel add the modwheel to increase the modulation - from 0 to 100% so it can be used to contribute to the LFO as a standard modwheel.

[@MadelnMachines]

What do you think of the Matrixbrute vs Moog Sub? kzbin.info/www/bejne/omKbmoholLJ7qM0 I kind of wanted a moog and moog sound but the prophet 6 and matrixbrute are very tempting options with polyphony and built in effects or a cool easy to use sequencer / modular modulation. Can the Sub 37 or Pro 6 do FM?

[@DaveBessell]

They are both nice but I hear a lot of stepping artifacts when sweeping the P6 filter. In some creative situations I find that stepped effect interesting but it shows that moog have paid attention to detail in getting the response of their controls to behave in an 'analogue' way.

[@StarskyCarr]

The P6 filter is designed to step in semitones when manually swept slowly so its easier to tune for e.g. low freq kicks etc. a slow envelope sweeps smoothly.

[@DaveBessell]

Ah thank you for the info. As I said it is musically useful in some situations.

[@nsjx]

yeah this is what pple don't get. it depends on the modulation source. if it has a good resolution then it can get over the stepping when turning by hand

[@kierenmoore3236]

So, your initial conclusion was flawed, then … though you stated it with such conviction …

[@solomonjenkins9505]

I want a dank polysynth that i can afford and so far the ob6 and the prophet 6 are at the top of my list. I want a no menu diving hands on control polysynth that produces dank as fuck tones

[@M3333C]

What did u end up getting between the p6 and ob6?

[@solomonjenkins9505]

@@M3333C Found a good deal on a virus ti2 and ended up getting that instead. There's basically no menu diving and it's really powerful

[@sevendorval4441]

Very useful, thanks!

[@BlinkyBillz]

at 2:47, the prophet sounds slightly brigher. but the slope on the sub37's filter is still on 24. I noticed the sound becomes brighter when you turn that to a 6db slope, could you confirm that? Does it match the brightness of the prophet 6 now? great vid btw, thanks for the comparison!

[@StarskyCarr]

Thanks Rink. With the 6db slope the S37 is a little brighter, but still not as bright as the P06.

[@BasariStudios]

Why the Sub37 has more Balls to it???

[@nsjx]

i believe it is the architecture of the synth and especially the mixer section and there are various ways to drive the mixer pre-filter and a post filter multi-drive.

[@gregkrukemeier2003]

The two most important aspects of any Synth is and will always be it's Filter and AMP Sections. The Mixer Section also has a lot to do with the overall shape of your sound. A Sound Source is what it is, a Sound Source. It what happens after the Sound Source that's most important.

[@Gibby2511]

Awesome comparison, Starsky! I have heard people dogging on this synth's ability to do bass, and this is a fantastic video. I have a Sub 37 as well, and actually just received my Prophet 6 (my first poly) over a long decision between an OB-6. Not to start that argument over, but the Prophet was just more to my desired sound taste. I do have a couple questions though if you wouldn't mind, I'd greatly appreciate your time. 1.) How do you have your Prophet 6 audio connected - Stereo mode or Mono? This is strictly a studio synth in my setup so I'm looking for the best way to record. 2.) I can't seem to get a clear answer, but do you have your connection via Instrument or Line level? I've had my Sub 37 connected on the Instrument setting without issue, but heard of others using Line; wondering what is correct for synths, if you know? Again, thank you in advance and I really enjoyed the video.

[@StarskyCarr]

I always use the stereo outputs, and never use the additional stereo pair on the P8 - maybe because I don't play it live so can record different parts individually. I connect via line level, and turn the synths volume to max so the signal to noise ratio is higher. Using instrument level means you have to turn the synth down so get higher noise in the signal. I wouldn't expect you could actually hear much difference though, and it could be useful if you want to use preamps or mic up an amplifier etc. for various flavours.

[@mrbeats3330]

really helpful

[@infindebula]

All my synths with stereo outputs are connected in stereo, like Starsky. But when a patch doesn't use the stereo field (no fx/chorus, no voice panning etc) I make it a point to record only one of the channels. I think this makes for (perhaps subtly) better stereo imaging in a DAW.

[@willie8707]

Man, love your vids. Exactly what I need to know before purchasing my synth of choice. In your opinion, which is better at bass, the Voyager or the Sub 37? Can the Sub 37 make the same bass sounds as the Voyager?

[@StarskyCarr]

Maurice Nelson it gets close, but obviously doesn't have the 3rd oscillator. For simple fat,juicy and bouncy bass it's just as capable as the voyager. Look out for my S37 vs Voyager vid I'm planning.

[@toliver2054]

Are you using factory program 342 on the P6 as your starting point or did you tweak that sound first and then save it to 342?

[@StarskyCarr]

I initialised 342 and started from scratch. I'm not sure what was there originally. I think I put the Old Men of MIDI sounds in the first slots, so 342 will have been one I didn't think I'd have any use for.

[@toliver2054]

I will have to start tweaking then....Thank you.

[@marrymemaddie]

Sub 37 wins again. It has to be one of the greatest synths of all time.

[@tris421]

i mean for bass. obvs.

[@machettman]

I disagree the prophet seems o have way more harmonic character. even for bass. if bass volume is all were going for a simple 3 band EQ can make up the small difference. and those are free for plugins

[@amanray]

I prefer the pro2 , I had the sub37, sold it 2 weeks ago

[@willemjansen1141]

Depends on what your looking for m8. As a pianist I need to have a polyphonic instrument

[@TuMalditaMadre]

I own a Sub 37 and to say it beats a Prophet 6 is blasphemous.

[@mpmi7588]

I want a P6

[@MJamesIII]

In a blind test I wouldn't be able to tell which one was which.

[@LFOVCF]

In a blind test, I seriously doubt anyone could recognise any synth, if they were set up to sound as close as possible. Like he says, in a mix, nobody would know...or care! I love the assumption amongst purists, that any one synth, is the correct one.

[@alphacodesynth]

Beautifully said , finally someone who has a clue , Check my channel for Analog to Va comparaison barely any difference :)

[@DreyAndersson]

In a full mix I doubt anyone would hear the difference

[@ronnieaux5290]

You'd be surprised, in a mix it's actually often MORE evident, because you get a general vibe and feel across the mix when you've overdubbed your synth x-times. I would fully agree if it's one track in a mix of many other instruments (like a rock band with a poly-synth supporting the sound.) But when your synths make up the bulk of the composition, it multiplies, and you start to really notice. Not that a VA is a bad thing, just has a different vibe

[@dopeNL]

Very nice video :•) Thank you, much appreciated! For me I just love the Moog :•)

[@Dr-Stu]

Don't apologise for pronouncing Moog correctly. You'd think the yanks, who incorrectly say Youtoob and Stoodio would know the sound of two o's beside each other.

[@timmbrockmann959]

19:10 the infamous filter stepping...

[@joker9494949494]

watch mr tunas video on it if you want to know how to turn it off

[@tinykarpo80s]

way far better the moog

[@benoitlaine1131]

See also JD73 making bass sounds on the P6 : kzbin.info/www/bejne/h5mXind3e69kfLM

[@DrDavfre]

Have you tried the P6 through a Moogerfooger 101 for the overdrive stage/ballsiness? Best of both worlds?

[@smashhitley]

thank you!!

[@wurlinnawurl]

For this stuff I chose a artisan ottava, way more organic and dirtier than the moog, but I love the prophet 6, I don't use it for this but it shows just one voice, with them all it just makes this beautiful bed of chords that are a perfect vibe to put your melodies over... Love my prophet 6! It's very underrated synth!

[@mootsym]

I so wish the Prophet 6 had the same characteristics of the 5. same with the OB-6.. they just don't have quite the same warmth and character as their predecessors. Otherwise, I'd probably prefer the 6 to the Sub 37 here. But the Prophet 6 just doesn't have the smoothness to me.. leaves me wanting what the Prophet 5 was. At least with the Sub 37 you're getting that same Moog sound, provided it's the sound you want.

[@benoitlaine1131]

Actually, I find the Sub37 to be quite appart from vintage Moogs in terms of tone colour. Not better nor worse, but different. Much more on the "Sharp & Clean" side of things.

[@christopherpederson1021]

The Sub (to my ears) is less organic than the Minimoog Model D. The Model D is deeper and has more character.

[@mootsym]

The Sub isn't trying to be a Model D. It has a great Moog sound all to it's own, at a relatively affordable price. The Model D reissue is twice the price of the Sub. This Prophet 6 is at a price point where you'd want it to have the same greatness of the 5. It's a whole thousand more than the Sub37, so it's not really an accurate comparison. I can't justify spending this much on a keyboard that doesn't quite have the sound. Like I said, it's a modern take, I get that.. but it still lacks the P5's character. It sounds more like a VST than an actual Prophet. I don't feel that kind of separation with the Sub37, even if it's not as organic as the Model D, which I agree.. it's not.. but it at least feels and sounds like a quality Moog. The P6 has a VST feel to me with some nice filters. meh.

[@benoitlaine1131]

I don't quite understand your point. If it's about money, yes, the P6 is a twelve oscilator/twelve filters analog synth, which makes it logically more expensive than the S37. As such, on a pure "specs" standpoint, it would rather be a better deal than the S37, that is, if comparing mono/poly would make any sense anyway... The P6 is still cheaper than a Model D reissue. Then as you say, both the S37 and the P6 are a modern take at what the Minimoog/P5 where in their times, no reissues. To my ears, they share the same departure to their elders in terms of sound : straighter, and somewhat tamed. On top of obvious design choices that relate to changes in taste/style/usage of synths through time, I've always suspected that major improvements in electronic components quality standards would make it difficult to rebuild synth with the same "open/wild" sound, which partly stems from random variations, but I'm no expert... Now both offer ways around that to an extent, and none have a "VST feel" to my ears. That last point is quite far fetched tbh. The beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, though...

[@mootsym]

well yea, the sound a matter of preference of course. I don't view the Sub37 as a modern take on the Minimoog, (that was the Voyager before the Model D reissue came out), but is a Moog synth all it's own, while to my ears retaining the Moog character and warmth. The P6 to my knowledge is supposed to be a modernized P5, but with that modernization it lacks that character and warmth of the P5 that I desire to hear and feel. The Moog scratches at least one of my itches (even though it's no Voyager or Model D). The P6 (and OB6) fail to achieve that for me.

[@dormaettu302]

Can't afford both, P6 should be a better option. Thanks

[@alphanumeric1529]

On laptop speakers I can consistently hear differences between the Moooog and the Prophet. I prefer, in many ways, the edginess of the Prophet sound. But it is clear that the Moog is tuned "better" the knobs seem to produce a more refined sound, no matter their position. Which is odd, as I've always had the thought that Moogs are a little unhinged, like a muscle car, like fast, but with poor handling. This comparison seems to be the opposite. And with all that said, the Moog definitely has a stronger low end. The Prophet consistently wimps out on enveloped filter sweeps down. The Moog sweeps down and finishes strong. The Prophet sweeps down and just kind of disappears. Thanks for this vid.

[@GNeuman]

I don't quite get this comparison, to me it's like trying to compare two completely different analogue synths and hey, one's a polysynth too! I'm also sick to the back teeth of all the armchair vintage synth players around who proclaim that the Prophet 5 sounds soooo much better than the Prophet 6......utter and conplete tosh... Anyway, thanks for an interesting video, you know your stuff!👍👍👍

[@StarskyCarr]

GNeuman haha cheers. I feel your pain!! I know it's a bit of an odd one this, more like can you get away with a poly or does a dedicated mini lead/bass synth really give that extra something. Doesn't help that they've got different capabilities like the sequencers etc. A comparison with the P8 might have been more relevant as the pricing is similar to the S37 but I've sold it... ran out of space and justifications for an increasingly worrying habit. They're both sexy beasts so might help someone somewhere decide where to spend their cash.

[@kierenmoore3236]

P5 does have more heft/weight than the P6 … Sorry, it just does. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Generally, the more voices and features, the weaker the raw sound.

[@bond4177]

Hey, terrific video! Suggestion for you, could you compare the Arturia Matrixbrute and the Sub 37? Since they're both monos, just the similarities and differences having owned both. I am looking at buying one but not sure which.

[@kierenmoore3236]

I know which has the better keybed … …

[@sunburst3353]

I am sure that most any experienced synth musican should be able to make excellent bass sounds on any Prophet that sound just as good as the Moog. It’s all a matter of personal preference which synth you prefer actually playing with. I find them both incredible and classic synths - hard to compare, other than how different they are in sonic/physical design and features.

[@philcaine1611]

You just need both simple

[@andrijapusic]

thanx for the nice analysis.. for me the moog is obviously more sweet and juicy.. if you need sweet juicy sounds, moog is the winner.. and by the way last two tones of "head hunters" are wrong :)

[@StarskyCarr]

Satoshi Nakamoto thanks for watching. Can't remember what I played but more Gecko than Chameleon then!!

[@SPAZZOID100]

Satoshi Nakamoto unless you want polyphony!!

[@sarahhey8654]

Bigger knobs + thicker girth = Sub 37 😘

[@quarkyzarky]

(EDITED AND DELETED SHITPOST ;) ) n o, actually i was lying. I wanted to buy a prophet 6 and sell my sub 37 at the time so I posted a shit post. The prophet 6 destroys the sub 37 (ok the filter IS rawer in the 37 but the VCOs sound like shit and the tone is hollow). The Prophet 6 sounds awesome, I agree with the above about the P6's filter being beautiful. Very smooth, tons of range in a so called 'simple' synth. I sold the sub 37 a good while ago and don't miss it AT ALL. Nor the other moogs I've sold. If I could only own ONE synth it would be the gorgeous, flexible, high quality Prophet 6. It can do great bass, in unison with 2 voices. But it can also do tons of other stuff, and the pads are very rich/warm/interesting. Basically the best modern analog synth out there, and better all round than the OB-6 which I tried too (Nice but too samey and less range + annoying raspy sound all the time). Oh and the keybed on the Prophet 6 is like butter vs the crappy Sub 37 one.

[@StarskyCarr]

..so the Moog for you then ;)

[@ronnieaux5290]

I'll tell you what though.. when you make one of those sweet, 'In the air tonight' kind of pads with the Prophet 6..... that filter has some amazing sweet spots. I adore that P6 filter, I think it's a masterpiece. My Sub has a great warmth to the filter too. A bit subby though. I'm glad the Resonance can act a bit like a highpass when you use only a little bit

[@javiceres]

But the resonance on the moog makes the low frequencies disappear

[@quarkyzarky]

n o, actually i was lying. I wanted to buy a prophet 6 and sell my sub 37 at the time so I posted a shit post. The prophet 6 destroys the sub 37 (ok the filter IS rawer in the 37 but the VCOs sound like shit and the tone is hollow). The Prophet 6 sounds awesome, I agree with the above about the P6's filter being beautiful. Very smooth, tons of range in a so called 'simple' synth. I sold the sub 37 a good while ago and don't miss it AT ALL. Nor the other moogs I've sold. If I could only own ONE synth it would be the gorgeous, flexible, high quality Prophet 6. It can do great bass, in unison with 2 voices. But it can also do tons of other stuff, and the pads are very rich/warm/interesting. Basically the best modern analog synth out there, and better all round than the OB-6 which I tried too (Nice but too samey and less range + annoying raspy sound all the time).

[@DreyAndersson]

6:47 the prophet six sounds better to me

[@rp1891]

trying to make jam taste like peanut butter

[@StarskyCarr]

+RP which is savoury and which one's sweet?

[@rp1891]

prophet=jam, moog=PB

[@StarskyCarr]

+RP put them together and you have an instant American classic sandwich.

[@rp1891]

yup, its the best sonic sandwich

[@jettsom]

The Moog is full of character with a great raw tone, the Prophet is more clinical and has more features with polyphony.

[@harmonicsball89]

One sounds thicker, warmer, authentic, robust, complex, richer, and more musical (natural) to the ear, the other sounds like a P6.

[@StarskyCarr]

Ouch!!

[@M3333C]

The p6 sounds fine

[@africanviolet4773]

i really want to meet you and have a nice chat with you. you seem like a really cool dude to hang out with

[@StarskyCarr]

+Yiğit Soner cheers... I'll show this comment to my wife !! Maybe she'll change her mind about me ;)

[@africanviolet4773]

i hope so :) cheers

[@ronwood788]

I've got a Prophet 6, sold my voyager and I love the pro 6, but I miss the moog filter. Gonna have to run the prophet through a MF 101.

[@StarskyCarr]

Get a minimoog and run it through that instead ;)

[@gasolineandwine]

I will forever be bothered by Moog's decision to throw in the term "paraphonic" into this synth presentation. To say that a monophonic/duophonic synth is paraphonic is like saying that water is wet.

[@infestedalien]

If I would have made a decision in buying an analog synth that could do bass and the rest it would definently be the prophet 6. I think you cannot get more synth for the money. The only thing I enjoy from Moog is the moogerfoogers.

[@adey7569]

Moog sounds better shame its not poly..

[@gasolineandwine]

I've always found Moog filters unappealing for polysynths. I've been spoiled by Rolands, Moogs are king in mono, anything else can rule for poly.

[@kierenmoore3236]

Better for some things; worse for others …

[@bennethos]

moog = bass all the way

[@theconspiracynetwork4015]

Get on with it!!!!!

[@vedabou]

"Moog not Mogue" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@StarskyCarr]

+vedabou I know, I know... :)

[@vedabou]

I found it funny, you remarked it. I don't like to pronounce it "Mogue"^^

[@apoena-allnitemusic7203]

moog sounds more fat. like there is more bass

[@VanHau5]

moog sounds better 😃

[@johnathantyrer6077]

my ob6 pisses on both and I own a sub37

[@seditoable]

I'd say it has the slight edge on versatility overall, but a big part is the beautiful velocity implementation (same on p-6). But both ob and prophet are unique keyboards that sweep the competition in playability and analog beauty. If the sub 37 gave a little more options in programmability of its vast features without a 1980 commodore interface, I'd love it, but given the terrible implementation of how you can program it, I have to say I'm selling it along with the ob-6 (just for its market value... I gotta say I like the prophet equally despite how different they are). But Oberheim's Two Voice Pro absolutely kills all of these for raw analog power, patch programmability, and weird analog limitation. Its just nowhere near as versatile as the ob-6. It would be hard to compose on.

[@woblezman]

why would you use the Square wave ...omg it's such an ugly sound....

[@StarskyCarr]

I quite like it :)

[@mixedepisode]

Moog sounds way better

[@WV591]

VCO vs DCO. what a joke.

[@StarskyCarr]

+WV591 both have VCO