Mopar Tax 101 by a Middle School Teacher

[@BigMikesHooptyBarn]

As someone who consistently attempts to mitigate costs where possible, I can definitely attest to higher costs associated with Mopars! Great job Joe!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks big Mike!

[@sammywinstead9007]

I make my own sheet metal intakes at a material cost of only $167.84.

[@BigMikesHooptyBarn]

@@sammywinstead9007 That's awesome! I wish I had that skill!

[@318willrun]

It all comes down to this Mopar Tax: "If you park a car other than a Mopar in my yard, you will be taxed !!

[@JustMoparJoe]

😂 I’ve seen some kind of pony car around there 🫣

[@318willrun]

@@JustMoparJoe 🤷‍♂my wife likes horses?😄

[@AtZero138]

Mopar or Nothing!! I live it!! Actually only have one car...

[@snapon666]

mopar has alway been the red headed step child of the performance world

[@JoesMoparMess]

I found that you can buy abandoned project cars for a decent price with lots of great parts on them. I was able to get a b body with a rebuilt 440 out of the car, disc brake conversion, new 4:10 gears and lots more for $3k. I needed a lot of that for a car I’m restoring and I still have a very clean rolling chassis I can do something with or sell.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Very true! The deals are out there and then some.

[@apocolypse11]

Exactly is better to buy a junk car or a project car from idiots. Desperate people will sell u anything for the right price. Dignity is for sale at 80percent off. Cheers 🍻

[@mikebrown4429]

I graduated from high school in 1977 . I’m Facebook friends with my high school auto school teacher. He is highly respected by all of his former students 😊

[@jeffdavis5704]

Mopar parts have always been higher and harder to find.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Jeff!

[@Roosters_Restos]

Well done teacher. I have a few degrees as well. One is in psychology that also plays a factor in how and what people buy as well as what they see and you touched on that with the auctions. Those auctions do effect the ceiling on what people think a restored car is worth but all markets fluctuate b bodies is a prime example. Fnf movies excited the market when they see a blown charger so people want one. Your teaching here is spot on. I have many parts i buy used and refurbish them like outboards and mercury mostly because the demand is high.1963 Evinrude 75hp is worth 600 restored but a 1963 100hp merc brings 2500 plus. So i live what your saying. Mopars is no different. Runs and drives 63 dodge vs a 68 charger is a big difference. Thus your comment on the bee. But if the bee runs and drives value goes up fast. Marketing a product also may affect demand but if it cant be suppied people will go for used and that market tanks then price goes up hurting the seller. I used a great deal of new and used parts and used is because i cant get new as you also mentioned. I am going to take a moment to thank you my friend for the teaching you have done. So thanks for teaching kids and even 63yr old ones like me😂 i might even teach you a thing or two😂 we all learn together brother.

[@JustMoparJoe]

I learn just as much from my viewers as I can share! Will talk soon!

[@tims72demon]

I paid $2700 in real 1972 dollars for a basic Dodge Demon. 318 3/spd. I traded in my 67 GTX Conv w 440 Super Commando. I don’t think I could afford either one now days. Glad I kept the Dodge. Like Al Bundy !!! Been collecting new parts for years. That’s really gotten expensive. Good job explaining Mopar. Thx 👍

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for sharing! Love that demon

[@autonomous_collective]

“Disagreement is the pursuit of truth when all are participating in good faith.” This is why I block trolls who bear no understanding of themselves. It is a waste of time to engage with them.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Well said! You can’t change the mind of someone set in their ways. “It is invariably saddening to look through new eyes at things upon which you have expended your own powers of adjustment”

[@lautburns4829]

Great presentation, Joe. Yes it hurts when you get the lust for a new Mopar part only to see that the cost is way higher than the Chebby part. ✋🏻👍

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother!

[@rodneybyrd9516]

The "TM-6" which most people think is just a Torker is actually the better intake. You can pick them up for cheep still!! #tarantula

[@moparnut6286]

Yeah I got one for $5 off a scrapper truck... Got to keep the eagle eye open.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Don’t tell the secret! Thanks Rod

[@edsmachine93]

That's one of my Old Favorites Rodney!. Old School still works! Have a good evening.

[@ThisValiantAdventure]

Not sure how anybody could argue that there isn’t a Mopar Tax on much of what we need to purchase. Makes perfect sense to me and I think nearly all of us have felt it.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@dantupper1784]

Another factor is that many aftermarket manufactures are nowadays owned by investment groups. They are there to turn max profit for their shareholders- not to turn out highest quality parts (cam & lifter issues), or parts for lower production vehicles/engines (Mopar, BOP, AMC)

[@JustMoparJoe]

Excellent point! Thanks Dan

[@cleonituk]

This video explains 100 percent why aftermarket was non existant for square body dodge trucks.

[@AtZero138]

Early 90s Truckin magazine feature on used truck's from Cal trans.. then unwanted 67-76? Forgive me if I'm off on build years, then no aftermarket parts, but as usual Chevy Lego system made it easier to lower etc, now the Box Dodge truck I always liked and still do.. everything was fabricated to achieve similar look.. I don't even know if they actually have parts now for them.. 😂.. still want one

[@gregtough9055]

Well stated and correct Mr. teacher, although opinions do vary. Mopar tax in Canada is even more extreme, that $400 intake is $650 here.

[@robflammia4716]

Everything is more expensive in Canada

[@robertmiller1916]

My son just picked parts and six nos pistons for my 1953 Plymouth two door Belvedere for free from an old dealership! Now I call that tax free!

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s amazing!

[@moparnut6286]

This is pretty simple too understand.. I have been paying the Mopar tax all my life... Even more in the 90s and up.. Cause mopar went bankrupt. In the 80s and they destroyed a lot of molds aka scrapped... body parts are sky high... While at the same time Ford and Chevy kept producing so less money chasing an abundance of parts cheaper prices... While Mopar being rarer to find and not as big interest in mopar the thanks to the Chevy Ford push of popularity planned that way... Makes lot of dollars chasing few parts price goes up... Not to mention of its super rare!... So yes the Mopar tax is alive and well and still growing by the second... And by the way if the EV crowd get there way there will be a Ford and Chevy tax coming along shortly.😮

[@cjm5002]

I kinda wish I had scrolled through some comments before I posted, haha. You said pretty much the same thing as I but 3 hours sooner.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Well said!

[@dannyskaggs6587]

You are very right 😢

[@NathansMoparGarage]

Used parts work just as good as new stuff and are budget friendly.

[@JustMoparJoe]

And they were made in an era of quality control!

[@AtZero138]

Years ago.. because I read about it.. actual book.. dealer option, Edelbrock LD4B manifold.. 100 before shipping etc.. got out bid twice.. willing to pay 250.. Now! 😂😅.. seen one for like something stupid 780 lolol hahaha 🤣😂.. come on..

[@UnfinishedProjectDartSport]

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[@dumpsterchicken6287]

Thank you. Ain't had any learnin in a long time.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Glad to help 😂

[@anthonynapier4668]

Awesome video man ,,you layed that out really well 👍 👍 👍 👍

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@edsmachine93]

Great Video Joe. You are absolutely correct. This price factor has been around for many years now. If you want something, need something and depending on when you want it. Well as it is said, how much is it worth, what the Market will pay or Bare. In the last 30 years Mopars and parts have been moving up. I remember when they weren't worth much. There is so much interest in Mopars now, people want to jump in and participate in the ownership of the cars. Only so many cars and or parts to go around. One Factor I would like to add to your Formula is Inflation. How much will your Dollar purchase. Great topic. Have a good evening.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks, Ed. You raise an interesting point!

[@AtZero138]

When I worked for Classic Industries, my new to Mopar ownership customer,, when cost per etc,, If you Say Mopar out loud, you probably owe somebody 50 bucks 😉.. Mopar A Bodies Forever!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Haha! That’s a good point 😂

[@johnelliott7375]

Well done, I 🤔 thought I was back in highschool again. 35+ years ago.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks John!

[@johnelliott7375]

@@JustMoparJoe Your always welcome my friend. What's the best way to clean up one of those Antique intakes like that Torquer you have.

[@don66hotrod94]

Excellent tutorial, Joe. In 1975 I bought a 4:10 Dana rear end out of a crashed Charger for $125 from the local salvage yard. It was the only thing that survived a massive hit. I wonder what that Dana is worth today.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Oh man. I’d guess $1,000-2,000

[@US-191]

Excellent!! Very well presented. Having spent my career in Manufactuing/Development & Production, I fully agree with your analysis. OH, and nice "white-board" ...every fully equipped shop should have one. -US191

[@JustMoparJoe]

Much appreciated! I’ve had guys argue with me after this video. Sometimes I get inspired to make different videos like this. It’s a variety show over here 😂

[@terryboothe2309]

I enjoyed ag economics . The same principles can be applied here . Supply & Demand , Cost of Production and Retail Price , Law of Diminishing Returns ….

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Terry!

[@Duster_Garage]

Interesting topic and well explained. I know there was more to you than meets the eye.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Haha! Thanks brother

[@cjm5002]

Oh man this is a bad idea but here goes anyways. What really kills us is the big block deal from the 1970's bail out. Part of the availability side of things here. Ford and Chev can spit out old big blocks day in and day out but we Mopar guys will never see a new casting again... what we have in our world now is all there is. That really ups the development costs. Go through a junkyard and buy a 302 or 350 for 25$ then do a ton of R&D on it cheaply... flip over to a mopar and those costs are going to add a digit or two. A great example of what I am talking about and what you made this video on is the Harrop R&D video for a 454 in Australia. They just do NOT get this stuff down there so they cannot simply throw any old engine on the scan box and start development. They probably have less than a score of 440 blocks in their whole country ffs.

[@JustMoparJoe]

I saw that you and Moparnut are in agreement. Very good points.

[@icetech6]

I had to pay $469 for a performer RPM from summit... double what a chevy one costs.. same amount of material, same amount of machining (small block).. literally double the cost. so yes... i believe in the tax. And on top of it, Edelbrock drilled all the mounting holes .180 too far forward and told me oh well... no idea when we will have more... (still making me mad.... hate companies that don't stand behind their stuff)

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s wild! I’d almost prefer an older intake at this point

[@icetech6]

@@JustMoparJoe Yeah, one of the guys on the A-body forum got 3 victors with the same issue... i shoulda went chinese honestly.. have a great day, keep up the great videos! P.S. fixed some typos.. i shouldn't type angry and tired.

[@dantupper1784]

With Investment Groups owning much of the Intake Manifold Production- they created a near-Monopoly. Would the Monopoly treat a brand X or Y like @icetech6?- it would make a firestorm on the web. But give poor service to non-X & Y brands?- sure, what choice do YOU have??

[@garryhatchett775]

The “mopar tax” is real. I’m into early A-body mopars. They are probably the least popular, yet prices for them have followed the upward trend. Makes it more difficult to participate in this hobby.

[@AtZero138]

Mopar A Bodies Forever

[@donaldhalls2189]

A lot of people don't understand how economics can be affected, buy graphs that,are doctored, like where you perform a,questionnaire is performed, to get results for the graphs, eg average wages,are lower in low income area's as a posed to where lawyers and judge's living area's, thanks for sharing, all the best to you and your loved ones

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Donald!

[@SE-me2pt]

Supply side economics is antiquated and seems to be a$$ backwards. The way I was taught way back was that supply precedes demand. To my simple mind I thought it was smarter to have demand first before building a supply of the demanded good. In the old days the auto industry just kind of guesstimated how many cars to build and built them(not including special orders) and put them on lots called sales banks. Sometimes they made too many "Edsels" that sat around for years before being sold. My economics "professor" never injected price into the mix. That said you're explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks teach!

[@JustMoparJoe]

As they say, history tends to repeat itself. Thanks brother!

[@scottschuler9547]

I've been a Mopar guy since the day my brother brought his 66 Dodge Coronet home and put a 413 in it I seen prices go for nothing 2 astronomical prices but a Mopar guy I am no matter what the price is😊

[@JustMoparJoe]

Yes sir. We push through

[@richardmoerke9329]

Best one I know of is rockers!! Dam brother that is crazy! Roller cam ! Dam!!! That stuff is so bad. You can get a whole Chevy setup (cam,roller lifters,and the roller rocker)for what it costs to get just the roller lifters for a la mopar. I don’t understand why it’s that expensive. Hell look at a383 Chevy! I want to make a 396 318 mopar. The cost is insane. Why? How? Just gave up. Even to go stock.

[@AtZero138]

Trust me I completely respect and understand your thoughts.. even when I was at O'Reilly's.. with my discount.. Recipe found in old school Mopar book, for 318.. use the stock 360 cam, Heads cleaned up, 318 one I mean, have Shop install 1.88 intake valves, that cam was as low as 70 bucks for a while.. even our mini starter hack.. was 50to60 now since someone found out it's 88plus.. It's a love for these.. nothing else makes sense

[@JustMoparJoe]

Richard, I’ve got a hack for the cheap 318 stroker. I have one to build on the channel someday.

[@Phil86434]

Great video, in Germany it's still difficult to get used Mopar parts at affordable prices and the aftermarket is usually the same. I paid €608 for my Edelbrock RPM Intake, which is about $650.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for sharing!

[@semihemi]

Great video Joe, I was already hit with a Troll on my new channel. Keep up the good work. Jim

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother!

[@BrandonLeeBrown]

I remember back in the 1970's, the hot rod industry said the most popular engine to hot rod was the small block Chevy and the second most popular engine for hot rodding parts was the big block Mopar. I remember we were pulling big block Mopars out of station wagons and Chryslers. Even Mopar performance cars were cheaper than big block Chevy cars.

[@JustMoparJoe]

There was a big shift somewhere in the last 50

[@billhanson7414]

Love your show. Up here in Canada the only way to find anything cheap is by watching the classifieds daily. I picked up a 383 Yorker for 100 Canadian but it took 6 months of waiting to catch a deal. In perspective, remember that since we voted in a socialist government our dollar is 65% of American and we're taxed to death.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks bill

[@pauljones2031]

It definitely makes sense. The same lesson aplies to the housing crisis where I live, however it is like you said, a false cieling. And this is due to investors buying up homes and leaving them empty. How our local government is dealing with it is correct however, they are building massive low income housing projects. Supply and demand.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Paul. State and Local Governments oftentimes outperform the federal government. Especially in aspects that actually affect the people.

[@MidnightOilsRestoration]

There’s definitely a Mopar tax! The intersecting line between the cost of mopar parts + burning desire of wanting to save old mopars from the weeds= an unaffordable sales price/car that isn’t worth what you paid to rebuild it unless you’re really careful 😂. Ask me how I know lol. Wish I could save them all but 🤷🏻‍♂️…umm did you say super bee?? 😬👀🤣

[@JustMoparJoe]

Haha! The bee lives on. Back in its natural habitat. I’ve got the same bug. They can all be saved, but it costs and costs

[@majorpayne5289]

👍Good stuff brother.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks 👍

[@CutthroatMcRage]

I can also like BigMike definitely attest to the higher costs associated with Mopars! I am one of them lower-income individuals and need to save every cent I can. Don't get me wrong people I will not buy/use an inferior product to use on my ride just to save a buck. What im saying is it just means I will have to save up for the good part but it will take me like 3 times longer than most people will have to do before I can buy what I need. Once again Great job Joe!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@TheOverisel]

Adjustable roller tip rocker arms are a great example of the Mopar Tax. SBC guys can run Harland Sharpes even though they don't NEED them because they're affordable and pretty. Harland Sharpe rocker Arms for big and small block Mopars? Yowzer! Make sure your credit card limit is adequate!!!!!!!!!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Great point! Call them direct and ask for Randy jr. Mention my channel and save over the big stores

[@Grandadsjunk]

Gidday brother hood you explained that very well I thought taking into account variables and per unit production costs demand and supply the more units sold the cheaper they are so yes I do agree with what you said you nicely covered economics 101 and I do have poly engines

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks! You are probably familiar with the cost of aftermarket parts for the poly. Then add more for being across the sea.

[@Grandadsjunk]

@JustMoparJoe oh yeah it's expensive getting anything from us but I think the poly is a really cool engine I want to put it in a 39 dodge project I have

[@Grandadsjunk]

@JustMoparJoe gidday Joe brother yep summit has just shipped 2 sets of frost plugs for my polys I actually have 2 318 and 313 thanks for your tip

[@rickseeman5679]

Several years ago Jeg's had new LS Chevy blocks listed for $299. I can get a Mopar 426 Hemi block for $6,000 plus $600 sales tax. There is the Mopar tax.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Wowser!

[@CCR414]

As far as personal experience goes, I've found that distance comes into play too, at least on big items. The best deals are almost always 1000 + miles away. Time too has a bearing. I am an early to bed early to rise guy. The best deals are snagged up while I'm asleep. The Early bird no longer catches the worm.. but I'd still rather eat worms than drive a Chevy!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Well said!

[@bobbyz1964]

Just reality, small block Chevys have been the biggest segment of the hot market for years. (flat head Ford was probably the leader prior to that) More new parts sold for them, more potential used parts, lower prices in both the new and used market. Doesn't matter that the raw materials to make an intake or piston are especially the same for any engine. The cost of production is always lower on the most produced and easiest sold items. Development costs are also offset faster on anything thats sold at a higher rate faster. The fact these companies make most of their money on Chevy parts is a big reason Mopar parts are as cheap as they are.

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s an interesting point! Thanks, Bobby

[@OldMoparShit]

Well how I've learned to beat the Mopar tax is use factory parts make them go fast lol and scroll market place for the cheapest parts possibly lol

[@JustMoparJoe]

Very good points!

[@toddmillican1926]

I called b.s. on the pickers when they paid $400 for a p.o.s. BSA motorcycle gas tank. I had a customer trying to get me to buy his for that amount. I showed him, I had 3 NOS ones on the shelf at $150.00 each. He went off mad. When I emailed pickers about it, they said it was for TV entertainment. That doesn't help the market.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Very good point! The false narrative is like the false economy

[@AtZero138]

Had the hood up, buddy wanted to see my daily driver 318.. Dude walks up,, bro i would've thrown Aluminum Heads on by now !! I see you everywhere in this thing,, I said.. search for them, ?.. You see that!??.. Dude if you can swing that,, stoked for ya, but i now want a Helicopter ride assuming you have one 💰💰💰💰 Money Bags

[@JustMoparJoe]

Haha! Nice answer!

[@pghharry]

Very impressive breakdown, your background in economics shows. Thanks!

[@JustMoparJoe]

I appreciate that! I had a very basic understanding compared to a true economist

[@tonyb3864]

Good lesson in economics. We always complained about mopar stuff costing more even way back in the 1970s. But we paid the premium because we were rebels. For any given product the chevy was the cheapest, then ford, then mopar. Always has been always will be. That's also why people are dropping LS engines in everything. Cheap horsepower.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Good point!

[@Mike-Olds-1]

I know you’re right Mr. Joe. I have a Plymouth and an Oldsmobile. I think Oldsmobile parts are (taxed) even higher than Mopar parts, but both are definitely are getting hit 👍🇺🇸

[@JustMoparJoe]

Right on! I’m glad to not have any experiences with the Olds stuff. Very cool cars

[@robertmagni7201]

I’ve only spent about 100 dollars on my truck

[@JustMoparJoe]

It won’t be the last $100 😂

[@toddmccarter45]

It makes sense now how you're so good at explaining things!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks, Todd. Many challenges in the classroom these days. I’m glad to be away from it.

[@toddmccarter45]

@@JustMoparJoe I don't blame you one bit, my wife is homeschooling our 7 year old for what I'm assuming are a lot of the same reasons. She went to college for early childhood Ed and didn't go into it because of the same BS

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@toddmccarter45 So much BS! I wish there was a fix to the system

[@jasonkaiser5150]

What hurt was there were no rear wheel drive cars built in the '80's. Everything Chrysler did was put into the fwd cars. The 318 and 360 were just dump in to trucks and vans, with no proformace factory upgrades.

[@JustMoparJoe]

I know there’s some clicks of people who love the volares and then the diplomat/dynasty people. I know the K car had a huge impact. Some argue that it helped saved Chrysler.

[@jasonkaiser5150]

@@JustMoparJoe it saved Chrysler. It would have been nice to have had a Mopar to complete with the trans am and the mustang. The magnum might have replaced the la sooner. The turbo engines were cool, but it moved away from older gear heads

[@mikebrown4429]

I’m an AMC guy currently,$$$$$$$$$

[@JustMoparJoe]

Oh yes! I can’t imagine

[@BlownBudgetGarage]

Price is reflective of demand vs production/warehouse/transport cost vs supply. If there were more of a demand for mopar parts production/warehouse/transport cost would be offset by demand. It’s only going to get worse. In manufacturing suppliers only make to order. If a company/warehouse had more sales they’d order more and we’d pay less. But we don’t pay less, and that’s why we’re better 🤣

[@JustMoparJoe]

When the budget is blown, you buy another car 😂

[@airstream65]

The thing that justifies the expense for me, is having something more uncommon than a Camaro or a Mustang! I get a lot of interest when I drive my 67 Dart. I don’t enjoy paying more for parts, but it’s better than the cost of vintage BMW parts…ask me how I know!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Right on!

[@grizzly766]

And a former "President" advocated sending thousands of parts cars to the crusher great diminishing the used marketplace.

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s very true!

[@stannelson2582]

Well said and explained teach!!!!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thank Stan. There was 10 other things I wanted to mention, but the video would have been 10 minutes longer

[@LunarOutlawsGarage]

lol got all of the Mopar tax

[@LunarOutlawsGarage]

Though that said it’s not as bad as the “drift tax”.

[@LunarOutlawsGarage]

That double the price for individual parts adds up overtime for sure

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks buddy

[@488ci]

I'm kinda thinking that the boys over at Chevrolet got together and used their brain power and started after market parts for the engines that they designed. Chevrolet has a very interesting history. The thing that I liked about Chevrolet is engine swaps were simple. Big block and small block fit the same transmission and the same motor mounts. But when you see a stock big 4 door New Yorker blow the doors off of a formula 400 fire bird you know who has the better engines. I've owned every engine size and I liked them all even my gas guzzling V10.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Love the interchangeability

[@dang5553]

If you go back to the start of the Small block Chevy even the bb Chevy had help in the Aftermarket. Chevy pushed there parts through the Aftermarket sooner than Dodge did. The reason I know this is a few people that I knew worked on cars in the in the 60s. Dodge didn’t get a good aftermarket support till the late 60s. Chevy got a good 10 years in after mart support. I agree about the amount of Chevy vs mopar is another valve point. Somewhere in the 90s early 2000s mopars in being popular. It’s flat line now. Value of a car or truck I’ve seen some pos but they want 7500 bucks. Hey craziest one I saw online a 69 Dodge Charger no floor no grill no trunk half the tail lights wiring missing 10,000 no trans no engine. Heart breaking Dodge Ramcharger fresh 360 sold for 1500. 5000 sold for 5grand. I learned a lesson about family don’t trust them. My cousin was supposed to offer it back to me at the same price

[@JustMoparJoe]

Wow man, thanks for sharing. I know there’s many levels to the tax

[@maximuswedgie5149]

Great video, Joe, very informative. Yes all of us with Mopar definitely have paid this tax for sure. I do not have a high income by all means, I am allowed “husband allowance“ to go to swap meets and on Christmas or my birthday. I can order something from a catalog for my Dodge around $500 to 1000. I’ve been doing this for almost 10 years and have really upgraded my car. I like to go to swap meets, here in Denver. They are this time of year and they are wonderful. It’s good to have an idea of what you want before you go so that you’re not buying junk, however, I’ve done that too. Lol.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother. I know that husband allowance well!

[@parrishpatterson6780]

A lot of truth there Joe, I was around in the days before the "auction frenzy" took hold. A friend of mine bought a 426 Hemi, complete engine, for $1200, it needed machine work, but it was a complete motor. The mind set back then was different, Superbee's Chargers, Roadrunners were cheap, they were just another old car, but parts prices have always been more expensive than say, a small block Chevy part, really, anything was more expensive that a Small block Chevy, like you said, it's the economics of it.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for sharing. My dad told me that they’d slam the hood and walk away when a car don’t have a big block or if it had all the AC stuff back in the early 80’s. Wow how it’s changed

[@DustDevilGarage]

you also have to look at manufacturing processes yes it takes roughly the same amount of money in material to produce both chevy and mopar intakes they know they are going to sell more chevy so the machines can run longer without wasted setup time say it takes an hour to set up a machine to make any intake well that hour is better spent on a longer run so the price can be less for the longer run.

[@JustMoparJoe]

True that! I wish they’d fall asleep and make a couple extra thousand intakes next time for Mopar

[@brianandglendaharkin9457]

Truth Teller 👍🏻🇦🇺MOPAR for life .

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@raysimon1368]

Yes i agree with your mopar tax been fighting it for 50 years but things have got way out of hand in the last ten years went to the street rod nationals in Louisville last year set up to sell all mopar stuff priced everything to sell not to get rich made over 1000 dollars just unloading my truck to other venders who doubled the price and put the parts in their booth some sold some didn't a lot has to do with people are getting gready and like you said someone sees acar on meecome for 80000 and everyone wants that for something pulled out of the woods my favorite intake were the trantulas tm6 tm7 always performed well on my builds years ago thanks for the crash course in economics never paid much attention to that in high school great job

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks Ray!

[@troydspain1099]

Opportunity costs are high

[@JustMoparJoe]

Interesting!

[@TheProchargedmopar]

👍💪

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@BrandRacingEngines]

Nice explanation of things people don't think about.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother! I’m living in my little mopar world. You’re dealing with them all!

[@SeanJoseph-s2s]

Good lesson in economics....thanks

[@JustMoparJoe]

Glad you liked it!

[@shawnbins203]

We as hot rodders need to do more swapping and horse trading for these parts. Keep the costs of our hobby down! Everyone thinks that their stuff is gold these days.

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s a great point. I was able to swap my rpm intake a few years back for a different one that I used on the dyno 400 tests.

[@JeffLeblanc-xb7qe]

I’ve paid most of my life Mopar tax I lived in Oshawa on Canada back in the late 70s or 80s I had always a Mopar back then Oshawa is a General Motors town the amount of Chevy parts compared to Mopar was redicilas back then I remember buying racing products for my 70 roadrunner like a racing pressure plate was 5 times more than a Chevy back in the 80s but now days Mopar are more popular than they were in the 70s or 80s you can’t afford a A body anymore I don’t know but always Mopar was more money than a Chevy or ford at least in Toronto area prob living in a gm town made it worse

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for sharing! I still have people denying that it exists

[@dizzyizzee6480geezergarage]

Yep, ❤I paid 75 for my edelbrock performer intake used , painted black, very ugly

[@JustMoparJoe]

Nice one!

[@Nichole-440HP]

A sad state of affairs for blue collar car enthusiasts.

[@JustMoparJoe]

And we still persevere!

[@Nichole-440HP]

@@JustMoparJoe yes sir !

[@lxiflyby]

As someone who has had to source a single plane W2 intake manifold, I was able to find several examples despite most not being made for several years, yet most of these guys wanted $650-$800 and I refused to pay the mopar hate tax in that regard. A lot of them were for sale for months as well, probably because a lot of guys try and hold out for absolute top dollar. Eventually I did find what was looking for, for much, much less, but it was a project

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks for sharing! That’s a unique situation, but can be applied to many different types of parts for mopars.

[@davidbisnette7673]

Educational video, been watching your videos and enjoy the info, got a 68 Satellite been working on and info helps

[@JustMoparJoe]

Glad to help! Good luck on the project

[@davidbisnette7673]

@@JustMoparJoe Thank you,

[@mattcassel6031]

Very good explanation

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@andrewfrisard8960]

Truth!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother!

[@kpgsx]

Nobody wants to admit it.....but Mopar Products/People are less than 20% of the HotRod craze.

[@cjm5002]

But 100% we are the top of the class!

[@JustMoparJoe]

I can get on board with that. I would guess maybe 25%, but it’s still a guess. I’m certain that Chevy and Ford rule the parts roost

[@kpgsx]

@JustMoparJoe I didn't want to Rain on the topic, but you nailed the Reasoning...Supply/Demand. It's sad that FABO has 90k members...and is small in comparison to most Mustang/Camaro/Corvette forums. It is what it is., and short of an 426 Hemi R/T, GTX, Super Bee, or 440 car....most Mopars are slow, Lo-Performance factory stock /6 or 318 cars.

[@JustMoparJoe]

@@kpgsx even those cars are slow compared to today’s standards. That’s why I think it’s necessary to add the modern parts like aftermarket cylinder heads and camshaft designs.

[@johnwilburn]

I'll admit it when I see the evidence. I'm blessed with a Mopar-heavy circle of friends.

[@jamesbehrick9588]

Hopefully, some of the hoarders out there will realize that not all their stuff is gold, market forces in play and maybe sell for a reasonable price. I tell anyone who asks me that just cuz its old doesnt mean its worth a lot.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Very good point! Thanks brother

[@Anthony-nw5zv]

Understood Joe.. A school teacher, Home Economics?😊. Ya know, I would rather pay a neighbor that's working at an American company than support a Nation of slavery. I guess I'll do without! Until we learn to love and support, respect this Country we live in...We don't know the details of what happens to Chinese workers who miss a step in the production process at 440 Source.😢 I'll just shut up!

[@JustMoparJoe]

I understand the ideology. The sad news is that the government regulations has forced US companies to outsource many manufacturing processes to other countries in order to meet the EPA requirements of pollution. Countries like China and Taiwan are very lax in comparison on were they dump waste and how they treat the environment. The majority of aftermarket heads, cranks, rods are produced over seas. We may finish the products here, but they are already doing the dirty work.

[@maskedmotorsdiy3575]

When I looked there were already 408 likes, what a stroke(r) of luck. I like Mopars because they are NOT the most popular, it's fun to be different. I've always liked the Chevy 350 but still, not everyone wants to follow the herd.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother. Sometimes the road less traveled is a lot more fun!

[@garageforcerestos]

Well done Joe. I've done two complete Mopar restorations and couldn't agree more with the "tax", and on average, it seems to be getting worse

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother

[@johnelliott7375]

Daily driver has a carby

[@johnelliott7375]

I hope you have a great weekend!

[@OldPlymouthGarage]

Mopar parts are definitely more expensive. But I think we are going to see a jump in price across the board as less and less people are building the older stuff and ls and Hemi swaps are becoming more popular and affordable.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Thanks brother. I’m still looking forward to unswapping my gen 3, for a big block

[@ninjapumkin]

I am sure you’re aware. There are many less parts, aftermarket, available for the RB block. Wish I can still buy tunnel ram, blowers or other items Chevy guys can buy for theirs. Maybe one day. Now I see why guys in my area are just swapping to an LS motor

[@JustMoparJoe]

So many things keep changing. The LS and gen 3 hemi is throwing a wrench in all the future supply chains

[@JeffLeblanc-xb7qe]

Oh it exists and it gets worse I think being Canadian we notice it worse cause we got all these different taxes then most parts come from us so the Canadian dollar changed into us if u are on a budget it’s very hard and Covid has made it even worse my wife died 2 years ago so I’m 65 single on a pension but the time u pay your rent and grocery’s your broke I don’t drink booze so that saves a little try renting a apt here it’s crazy a room people are paying over a thousand for a room so now Thers rent cities in most cities in Canada you never seen that much till Covid pop ed up so everybody put price up to regain what they lost during Covid but now they just keep letting it get higher and higher it was bad enough before it’s crazy now so you have to reuse to market place or eBay or china I don’t like buying Chinese but no choice Mopar are more money for pretty much everything you need what makes Mopar heads more than a Chevy ther basically do the same thing the same sizes so to me that’s a Mopar tax for loving a brand that a head is a head the companies spend the same money for each head I would think so why Mopar be more don’t make sense to me

[@lucascb750]

Does it exist, yes, but what's worse, the mopar tax or the mopar rip off artists who flood sites with fake adds to scam.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Man that deserves its own video!

[@johnelliott7375]

I have paid it five or six times so everyone else can once

[@BadTreeProductions]

I need money, im broke!

[@JustMoparJoe]

💰 need a color printer 😂

[@kevinwestfall2803]

I think in most cases there is defiantly a MOPAR tax when compared to Chevy. The small block and big block Chevy were produced in far greater numbers than Mopar big block and small blocks, so their supply is much larger which drives the price down. Also, since there is more of them, the aftermarket has primarily focused on them. This has given Chevy guys a better product at a cheaper price. Companies can set up their tooling for chevys to produce thousands of products, which consumes most of their time. Then, they have to retool for Mopar or ford to produce a thousand. Since there is less for Mopars the demand is increased. Since they sell more Chevy stuff, more R&D is spent on Chevy products. This is why Chevy gets a better product. Here’s a few examples. How many Chrysler cams are ground on a Chevy core with a slower ramp rate due to Chevys smaller lifters. Look at trick flow and Edelbrock’s head options for Mopar compared to Chevy. The Chevy heads outflow the Mopar every time. That’s because more R&D was invested into Chevy. Yes, I understand the W8 and W9 heads are fantastic, but look at what you pay for them because the demand isn’t there. Indy and Brodix also make great heads. Once again a high cost due to lack of demand. Unfortunately, the supply and demand aspects will never change. Supply will always be low which will drive the prices up because Chevy is the aftermarket’s bread and butter. I scan ebay, Craigslist and marketplace looking for deals when I can get them to help offset the tax. However, I’ve been screwed over a few times, and when it comes to internal engine parts, and I’ll bite the bullet and buy new. I think hot rodding in general has become more difficult in today’s economy. It’s certainly more economical when you have a social network of fellow Mopar people who just want to see the name live on. Sometimes ya just gotta keep on keeping on.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Very good points and strategy!

[@robertmagni7201]

First

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s a 🥇

[@danlynch3993]

That's why you find more people building Chevrolets than Mopar because of the price! My dad always called them the poor man ride😅 Mopar no car! difference!

[@JustMoparJoe]

Very true! A dime per dozen

[@roby14]

Market forces can act like a tax. I'm ok with that statement.

[@JustMoparJoe]

Well said!

[@BALrider1Steve]

Long story short mopar makes very little stuff therefore rare and expensive hence why it’s costly to have mopar stuff

[@JustMoparJoe]

That’s one of the good ones! Thanks brother

[@Trevscustoms]

Small block mopar = 2x Small block chevy price

[@JustMoparJoe]

Agree