Moral Panics And How To Spot Them - SOME MORE NEWS

Hi. In today's episode, we look at the similar patterns followed by nearly all moral panics, whether they're about teenagers eating Tide Pods or nonsense stories about litter boxes in school restrooms. These moral panics may seem silly, but they have very real and dangerous consequences for marginalized groups.
Executive Producer - Katy Stoll
Directed by Will Gordh
Written and Produced by Jonathan Harris
Edited by Gregg Meller
Associate Producer - Quincy Tucker
Post-Production Supervisor - John Conway
Researcher - Marco Siler-Gonzales
Graphics by Clint DeNisco
Story Editor - Tom Reimann
Head Writer - David Christopher Bell
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Chapters:
00:00 - Intro: Panic-Tastic Freaks And Where To Find Them
4:02 - Step One: Take A True Story And Lie About It
12:18 - Step Two: Othering Language
20:20 - Step Three: Media Exacerbation
40:10 - Step Four: The "Right" People Are Victimized
49:32 - Un-Panicking
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[@jessyjulie5506]

When a parent of a kid who committed suicide blames games or something similar, I kind of suspect those parents ignored their child's issues when they were alive.

[@ButWhyMe...]

Consistently, yes.

[@ziziroberts8041]

They bought the computer. They bought the games. They bought the android. They paid the internet bill. They left the room.

[@isveryniceyes]

"I told my kid he was worthless for playing this game, and I heard that the other kids in school bullied him over it too. Why in the world would he have killed himself if it wasn't Satan?!"

[@jacobpogel1093]

@@isveryniceyes That's a thinker

[@NoThatRyan]

100%

[@mausmalone]

Fun fact: when Matt Walsh is over there talking about "I'm sure it's /millions/" of teens getting gender-affirming medical care it's important to know that there are only 21.5 million teenagers in the US between the ages of 15 and 19. Even if his multiple millions claimed was only 2 million, you surely would have noticed 10% of your town's high school transitioning. There would be no need to call attention to it.

[@Jm-ki4su]

Walsh needs to be dragged out of his safety space and forced to do 10 hours of manual labor. It would do him so much good.

[@SorowFame]

He thinks it millions and that’s more important than actually getting the number right

[@JvS1711]

@@Jm-ki4su 100 hours at least.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

Numbers are hard and there's too many of them

[@actualgoblin]

he was talking about puberty blockers specifically iirc, which only makes his estimate more absurd. i would not be surprised if walsh is one of those "transvestigator" weirdos who thinks everyone who doesn't follow a gender norm (or beauty standard) must be trans, and that's why he just assumes there's transes everywhere lol

[@Mindcreat0r]

“If it’s stealing your sex drive maybe it’s stealing your soul” is one of the most casually unhinged things I’ve seen Tucker say in a while

[@MelissaThompson432]

Dog whistle: if (men) are deprived of sex, they become violent! *men in (), because, incels from basements, crawling up from underground to shoot toddlers with their mama's ARs.... That's because liberal educated single women won't have sex with them.... MAGA-type white supremacist violence is clearly the libs' fault. Poor little innocent manly-man MAGA mass murderers....

[@ryanlillie8469]

Isn't sex the devils candy according to "conservatives"?

[@tellmeaboutyourgame314]

It felt like a Parks and Rec bit tbh lol

[@valolafson6035]

I had to go back to listen again. I thought, for sure, I had misheard.

[@themr_wilson]

They have a really unhealthy relationship with sex

[@judyemmstoyradio3064]

In 2019 when I was in college I took a playwriting class and my professor arranged for a play to be performed that we could get extra credit for seeing. It was a play about trans people and their experiences. He even got the original writer, a trans woman, to perform. The play was clearly for adults, shown at night, and children were not allowed. And my professor still got death threats from people. People calling him with angry messages telling him not to “bring this filth into our town” and other terrible things. I should mention that this was a city in Massachusetts, known for being a blue state. Parents getting angry over something intended for *college students*. It was never about the children. When transphobes say "they can learn when they're older", more often than not means never.

[@YEY0806]

It was never about children to begin with, just a bunch of insecure people needing to justify why certain people should be scapegoats for all their problems.

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

Actually it means ‘we want the first 17 years to be indoctrinating them to not accepting trans people’ instead of, I don’t know a literal two second conversation about pronouns. It’s funny how anything LGBTQ+ related jumps to ‘sexualizing’ children but people have no problem dressing up toddlers for faux dates and asking ‘is that your boy/girl friend when kids of different genders simply like each other’s company and play together a lot.

[@doctorwholover1012]

When they say "they can learn about it when they're older" what they mean is "when our children grow up and engage in politics they will have the same worldview/perspective/opinion on trans people as me, and will thus also be vehemently against it. They will only know about trans/queer people to the extent needed to hate them." They don't want anyone to actually *learn* anything about trans/queer people - they want them to be indoctrinated into hatred of them.

[@rhaeven]

"they're too young to understand this" almost always means "I want to build up their prejudice before they find out"

[@rickypen]

They can learn about religion when they are older too, but parents are all too happy to indoctrinate their kids in something while their brains are soft, moldable, and evolutionarily determined to trust their parents implicitly.

[@theMoporter]

Okay but I really can't get over that Tucker speculated that antidepressants steal your soul?

[@MrHendrix17]

Jokes on him I sold my soul to the devil completely independent of my anti depressant prescription

[@imacmill]

Psych meds play Russian Roulette with your brain chemistry. And the true evil of it is that if you're one of the unlucky ones for which the metaphorical chamber was loaded, and you self-delete because of it, the 'doctors' blame the illness for which you were first given the drug as the trigger-puller.

[@anthonytwohill9726]

Ah, but you need to follow the conservative logic chain. Observe: Men are testosterone laden sex machines. You know, "real men" who own work boots and sweat for a living and bury their emotions behind layers of psychosis. If drugs are taking away their ability to have sex, then that's no longer a man; it's a soulless soy boy weeping its way back to mommy. And they're extremely dangerous too.

[@Rawnblade13]

That's Tucker Carlson for you. Telling gullible morons the most absurd shit.

[@iunno585]

Just slips it in there. "Maaaybe the steal your soul?"

[@NKingTotoro]

All of these moral panics about trans people effectively end up putting me, a trans woman, in the position of having to clean up the mess. A recent example of this was when I saw a massage therapist a few months ago. I have chronic back pain and was having a really bad flareup; I was desperate for some relief, so I set up an appointment. As the man started massaging me, he asked for my pronouns, and suddenly, before I knew it, I was in a "discussion" with this man about trans issues. I'm not against talking about that stuff, but the conversation quickly escalated. The more I tried to explain to him what my life has been like, and what I've gone through, the more he felt the need to tell me "his opinions" about trans issues. He kept asking questions like: "but you do agree that being trans is kind of a trend with kids now, right?" "what do you think about little kids having trans surgeries?" and "if my son came out as trans, I wouldn't let him have trans healthcare until he was 18. That's just my opinion." He acted like he was so eager to learn, yet no matter how thoroughly I corrected him or explained to him how traumatic it is to grow up with my gender suppressed, he just wouldn't listen because he was already fixated on the next meme about us. So what should have just been a relaxing massage ended up becoming an informal trial in which I was the defense attorney for all of trans people. This man treated me like some weird political curiosity as he touched my trans body. I left in just as much pain as when I came in, but more emotionally exhausted. I'm so envious of cis people who can get a massage, taxi ride, bag of groceries etc. without having to defend their right to exist in public. I hate being treated like a "hot button political issue" rather than a person. I hate that it falls on me to correct every lie when people could fact-check this stuff in their own time.

[@therideneverends1697]

Thats a thing that always strikes me, by making peoples very existence a topic for debate or a "question" you then force every member of that group to be a PR rep not only is it hidiously unfair to everyone in that group but it makes it so that if just one person in that group does anything objectionable than everyone in group is suddenly accountable for it

[@fireflybutton1939]

I can kind of relate as even though I'm cis female I have a condition that causes me to grow facial hair. I stayed over a friends and forgotten my razor, so the next day before heading home I went to a public restroom and got harassed by another woman in the bathroom because she assumed I was trans, it got to the point I had to threaten to lower my leggings to prove I'm a cis woman just to be left alone. I cannot imagine having to prove how trans people are valid every single damn day when I felt so drained after 1 confrontation.

[@tylerscott8015]

I'm so sorry that happened to you, and at the absolute worst time and place, too. It blows my mind how people can be so inappropriate to trans people like it's nothing, and yet we're the ones who have to behave. I used to be very open about being trans, I didn't mind stepping up to being "that trans guy" someone knows, because I understood the value in cis people being able to recognize us as just regular people. Trans discussion was barely in the mainstream when I came out, people were generally just curious back then, but now? Now I don't tell anyone I'm trans, and I feel like I'm hiding some shameful secret, even though I have a lot of pride in my identity and my journey. In this political climate I don't know if I could handle having to deal with people's preconceived notions and theories, because now "that trans person" they know is the boogieman from the media. I recognize the huge privilege I have in being able to live "stealth", even if that's never been the life I necessarily wanted for myself. My partner (nonbinary) recently made the choice to start presenting as male again after many years living as a woman because they could not find or keep any work. It broke my fucking heart seeing the stress and anxiety she went through from being let go from job after job when there was nothing she was doing wrong and nothing she could've done differently to avoid it. Without getting into all the details, it had to be transphobia, but of course it was never overt. Ever since making that change, all of a sudden he's the model employee and he's making friends and receiving praise and recognition, from multiple employers now. I'm so fucking happy that he's being treated right and that he's taking it all in stride but I'm also fucking furious that 'she' was somehow never good enough. Sorry I'm dumping all of this here, It's been a very wild and turbulent few years and I've found myself completely cut off from my community. I was laid off from a job that had a very big lgbt presence and now find myself working labour in a warehouse where 100% of my shift is straight men. It's stifling, to say the very least, and I've had to keep all the struggle and heartache bottled up. We're the big hot topic at the moment and yet we can't even talk about how much it's messing with our day to day lives, and even just our ability to live, cuz as much as everyone wants to talk about us, nobody seems to want to listen. Anyway, videos like this one give me hope that there are still many reasonable people out there who will stick up for us, and that this will be something we can all look back on one day and think, damn that was pretty stupid, huh?

[@brook_angel]

@@tylerscott8015 sorry this happened you you, but keep in mind that the most important thing is to stay safe so don't beat yourself up ❤️

[@dinosaysrawr]

Where do people get off on doing that? It boggles my brain, frankly. I don't think I've ever engaged in the "But don't you think..." loaded questioning of someone who belonged to a certain group. I've definitely asked people about their experiences and opinions, yes, but such loaded questions strike me as presumptuous, pathetic, and dishonest. It's like, um, dude, which one of us is the (in this case) trans person here? Also, YOU paid HIM for a massage; he didn't pay you to educate him or, especially, massage his preexisting worldview. People have done the same thing to me as well on various topics, and it's so bloody obnoxious!

[@sophie-fn3qo]

all of this stuff about furrys and litterboxes in bathrooms around trans issues reminds me so much of how like 10 years ago people kept saying stuff like "if gay people can get married whats stopping people from marrying their dogs" it kind of goes without saying that its predictable and fucked up that people keep framing lgbt issues as slippery slopes to this shit, but its insane that its so blatant and horrific and yet it works on people

[@mattymerr701]

It's going to get much, much worse with the expansion of furries (not like that). Furries act as such a good argument for them because we are often cringe, and because of some of the (thankfully few) fucked up people that are somehow "tolerated" in the community. Occasionally a zoophile will get publicly shamed and ousted, but there is never any big hunt of them sadly. Oh also the furry community is massively overrepresented in queer folks so they can also be used as an example of how "degenerate" and "uncivilised" queer people are in general. "If this one community of ~50% queer people is like this, then all queer people must be!"

[@MrMarinus18]

The Netherlands enacted gay marriages in 1987 and while there was some moral outrage the government just didn't listen and instead listened to what the majority of the Dutch public voted for. And the result was.....not much. Gay people are only 5% of the population and large numbers of people these days just don't get married. Also most of the time people aren't into each other's houses but are out in public, in offices, in parks or whatever else. If a gay man is at the office what does it matter if he has a husband rather than a wife? If a woman is taking out her dog what does it matter if she is single or has a wife? Public displays of intimate affection are considered taboo both gay and straight so it's not like they could do improper stuff. If talking about sex too much how often does a man brag about how he hammered his cock into his wife? Some do and they are asocial and improper regardless of straight or gay, saying such things was not allowed for straight people so it's not allowed for gay people either. I think that's the most important thing to take from it. That the result of gay marriage was pretty much nothing. It made gay people a little happier and reduced homophobia but in society if a man is gay or straight is utterly irrelevant for 99,99% of the time. Gay people didn't take over society either as again they are a small minority and many times people don't even know a friend of them is gay despite there being no prejudice against it, it's usually just not relevant enough to bring up. Privacy is a highly valued thing in Dutch society and asking people about things that don't concern you is considered very rude. Asking a man if he's married is considered rude and judgmental and will likely be answered by "What business is that of yours?".

[@ButWhyMe...]

I think the argument mainly comes from the idea that it's all about reproduction. Tbh, it's broader than that - capitalism needs to control the youth as then they can shape the course of progress in society.

[@amazingspiderlad]

Surprise surprise, the furry litter box stuff is actually just conservatives shifting blame. Litter in classrooms was proposed in case students had to pee while stuck in there hiding from a school shooter. But we don't need gun control laws, I swear, guns being so widely available couldn't possibly be making it easier to shoot up a school...

[@Emery_Pallas]

This was the motivation for Chuck Tingle’s Bibliography

[@WowUrFcknHxC]

If Matt Walsh thinks we shouldn't be doing surgery on the genitals of children, I hope to find his criticism of the amount of circumcision that occurs in the US

[@evfan13]

I don't have sources, but I heard that circumcision rates have gone down in the US over the past few years.

[@jurassicsmackdown6359]

Nah he just thinks trans people should suffer and die

[@neebs929]

I am bitter they cut skin of me.

[@mattymerr701]

@@evfan13 good. It shouldn't be a parents choice to decide that a disfiguring, unnecessary, purely religious surgery should be performed on a child.

[@Chris_winthers]

No that would make ben Shapiro mad, and with them being secret gay lovers, he can't do that

[@zinc_magnesium]

A big point of 12 angry men is actually that those types of knives are more common than you think and just owning one doesn’t make you a violent criminal.

[@EtcEtcEtcFilms]

That’s one of my favorite parts of the movie, when Henry Fonda whips out an identical knife in the jury room

[@davitdavid7165]

That movie was so based!

[@davidtaylor142]

And they're also talking about a Hispanic man

[@TimWochomurka]

@@davidtaylor142 there was definitely an anti-racist message, yes.

[@davitdavid7165]

@@TimWochomurka it also brought into question the flaws of the legal system and asked the question "how manny people are wrongly punished or released due to these flaws".

[@SNKYLAZYHOAR]

I dealt with depression for a couple of years. You know what else decreases your sex drive? Being sad all the time.

[@Not_Always]

medication doesn't cure depression; it just numbs you to feeling anything.

[@ScorpioXVirgo]

Fr

[@Jeremy-ql1or]

You know what should fix that sex drive right up? The sight of a grown man in a bow tie telling poor people what their lives are really like. Careful, though, erections lasting more than four hours can be dangerous.

[@e.g.5212]

@@Jeremy-ql1or hahahaa

[@bryangilchrist7318]

And so do antidepressants.

[@Sc4rlite]

How to recognize a moral panic: Step 1: it's covered on Tucker's show

[@nenmaster5218]

Cody is blatantly wrong, Cuties was indeed a Problem, not a Moral-Panic.

[@lazerpie101]

@@nenmaster5218 Ok, but it was a single film that had media coverage blown out of proportion and it was likely an easy stepping stone for my parents to go from somewhat normal to "Netflix is grooming our children."

[@d00mMoonXP]

​@@lazerpie101he should've clarified that yet he said people were saying that "without watching the film"

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

​@nenmaster5218 Yes, it was a problem. It was a singular bad movie, that was bad, and hated by basically everyone. This is literally the first point in the video: a moral panic starts by lying about a true thing. Cuties was a bad, and problematic movie, but it is not a symptom of some hidden pedophile agenda.

[@lisas6388]

My favorite comment for sure!! ❤

[@thecreatornooj1328]

As a cis gay man: I'm getting so tired of the transphobia online. It feels inescapable and I hate watching it happen, so I can't imagine what it's like for actual trans people.

[@fabianshedenhelm2986]

My experience is I'm just so traumatized. I fear for my everyday life. I try talking with family about it but they just ignore it, saying it's not happening, meanwhile here they are sadly avid fox news watchers. I can't avoid it, i feel like I could get killed at any moment. I'm only 19, I just got out of highschool and I fear for my own existence in this world that despises me for no reason.

[@thecreatornooj1328]

@@fabianshedenhelm2986 It helps me to remember that this is a fascist move and that fascism can make things happen quick, but they don't last. It's important to survive because they can't make it last. Life as war against any group is unsustainable and people tire of war. So Survive and we'll see a better day.

[@fabianshedenhelm2986]

@@thecreatornooj1328 I will survive and fight, it's what I've been doing ever since highschool.

[@helpanimals-]

Trans women project their own misogyny on women. They have a vague idea of what it is to be a woman but they don't , they'll never have to go through the same misogynistic, demeaning shit women have to go through while at the same time they pretend to know what it is to be a women. Hell, I don't even know what it is to be a woman since it's been DEFINED BY MEN since the time humans were able to walk!

[@thecreatornooj1328]

​@@helpanimals- This is factually untrue on quite a few levels. Trans women receive exactly the same shit that all women do, and then they also have to deal with their own stigma. I wanna start my long response to someone who probably isn't going to listen by saying that someone has convinced you that you should be afraid of trans people in general because they're after women, you, and your kids. I want you to think about why a group in power would attempt to convince you that an entire population with a unique physiological condition related to gender identity is a threat. Trans people are not the devil, they are people like us. The only thing that sets us apart is their unique physiological traits. And on misogyny: society will treat anyone that presents with femininity with the same misogyny that all women, including trans women, receive. People don't have x-ray vision to see inside people's pants, so if they're going to be misogynistic and their target presents like a woman, they become a victim. And, the majority of humans with a brain understand that a person's identity is more than genitalia. Overall, we should be uniting to end our patriarchal social issues rather than taking pitchforks to each other for being born differently. Now, I'm going to get pointed. let's talk about what it means to be a woman. If your definition is exclusive to people with vaginas who give birth, you're cutting out infertile women, as well as intersex women. That definition excludes women with biological variations. Not to mention, it's misogynistic. that makes you a hypocrite. Furthermore, trans women ARE women with biological variations. There are at least 16 primary and secondary sex characteristics that you could use to assign someone a "gender" and two or three of those are related to genitalia, which TERFS like you seem to be obsessed with. Functionally, a trans woman is a woman born with a penis that we force into a man's role. And the inverse is true of trans men. I'm running out of space and I think this response is already approaching the realm of far too long, so I encourage you to set your vitriol aside and examine why you've been taught to hate a group of people with a physiological condition that makes a patriarchal society uncomfortable.

[@truebrew2004]

A woman is an adult human who, when you walk up to them and ask “are you a woman?”, replies “yes”.

[@sophiejones3554]

I guess that's just confirmation I really am genderqueer because my response would be "maybe, what's it to you?" Because my gender, like my sexuality and my ethnic heritage is none of your beeswax.

[@tehpwnzor1337]

Adult *female* human, men can not be women just because they feel like it

[@truebrew2004]

@@tehpwnzor1337 do men reply “yes” to “are you a woman”?

[@sophiejones3554]

@@tehpwnzor1337 lol, no man has ever wanted to be a woman. That's not what is going on. Transwomen are women, transmen are men, enbies are neither or both, etc etc. People are what they are. Nobody is becoming anything, or wanting to be something they're not. As for "adult human female" what are we talking about here? Chromosomes? Genitals? Brain structure? Body shape? You do know all of those things develop separately, and also have more than two settings right? Besides which, I've yet to meet a woman or other person of the feminine persuasion who actually liked the word "female". It generally only gets used as a way to put people down. So, unless your aim is to piss off every woman in the vicinity, I suggest you drop the word "female" from your vocabulary. Thinking more about your own gender than other people's might also help. Idk, just a thought.

[@johnn.2017]

By that logic, an adult is a 14 year old trying to buy alcohol who, when asked "Are you an adult?" replies "yes". A human is a computer A.I. that when asked "Are you a human?" replies "yes".

[@otacon8225]

I remember growing up and my whole family laughing in the car on a road trip when we heard about the McDonald’s coffee lady on the radio. It’s horrifying how there was zero honest coverage of that story. They turned her into an urban legend to make people feel personally guilty for the negligence of corporations.

[@cameronknox7567]

If I am not mistaken, the woman in question had had multiple issues with MCDonnalds coffy before the incident, although I have not actually red that from a first-hand source, so I would suggest that you look it up, if you want to find the truth of it. However, my point is that there is more to that story than, 'woman bad, corp victom'

[@HinataElyonToph]

@@cameronknox7567 it wasn’t this particular woman having multiple problems, but rather multiple people having a problem with this coffee

[@jeanette590]

I remember how hot the coffee was. It took an hour to cool down and I always had to buy an orange juice to drink with my breakfast. While all the jokes were going around and I said that the coffee WAS TOO HOT people would look at me like I had three heads.

[@cameronknox7567]

@@jeanette590 I personally don't drink coffee, but in my opinion, if someone makes something that hot, then it's there problem, as in the makers, when something goes wrong, since they shouldn't have made it that hot in the first place. Granted, with that being said, there has to be a standard, IIE, say, over 50DGC or what not, (as I don't drink Coffee, or any other hot drinks) I have no idea what to set the upper limit temp at, but you get what I'm saying, right?

[@FangsFirst]

@@cameronknox7567 …Have you actually watched this video yet? I'm super confused, because it seems like you're making the point Cody makes in the video, and also the point that Octacon up there was responding to, as if anyone else here _isn't_ aware that the story was misrepresented and this was absolutely on McDonald's. (I opened up replies here, because I could've said the same thing as OP here, bar the "road trip"-pretty sure it was just a trip in town somewhere or whatever. But I remember it.)

[@michaeldriggers7681]

I had a mastectomy when I was 14. I had been diagnosed with gynecomastia where a boy grows female breast tissue. How many mastectomies were for reasons like mine. Was I supposed to live my life as a boy with boobs because these boobs don't understand nuance. My parents insurance refuse to cover it because they called it a cosmetic surgery. It should be allowed and legal for any boy girl or trans person to get a mastectomy if it is deemed necessary by their doctor.

[@arrestedeffort]

I also wonder how many of those mastectomies were for reasons like breast cancer. But of course, Matt Walsh, being the disingenuous scumbag he is, has to either misrepresent what actual data there is or completely fabricate statistics.

[@coalbun1094]

Agreed.

[@cake_9510]

Oh how I fucking wish I could have that as a trans woman who's not exactly keen on making her *p e e p o* not be able to make cute people cling to her like a koala and is more sensitive about her lack of *h o n g a n a g a s*

[@foxybohv7732]

Body positivity + LGBT wouldve also been just as happy with you if you made the choice to keep them. Lol But either way, this sounds like an issue with health insurances being predatory

[@nati0598]

@@foxybohv7732 Now you made me think what excuse would Walsh give to have them removed

[@alyssa7867]

Keep in mind that there are many adults in the US that think teaching a teenager about how their own periods work is a shameful thing that should never be done.

[@wintergray1221]

But it's perfectly fine to marry her off to a 40-year-old family friend 🙃

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

They think Renaissance art is porn and are threatened by children's books about gay penguins (a biological reality they're happy to ignore while arguing the biological reality of teens being at their fertility peak at 13 like that's supposed to mean anything). The depth of depraved insecurity these people have about biology and the human body is just so, so fucked up it's scary.

[@lynkissa]

@saraotto9593 🤢🤮

[@MogamiKyoko13]

Gotta love that Rogen asks "prepubescent girls?" And Walsh responds "right, minors." Probably full well knowing that the statistic he's trying to use talks about 17ish year olds. All this, while Walsh is also of the opinion that teen pregnancy isn't an issue as long as she's married. Get your story straight, Matt, are teens mature enough to have their bodies irrevocably changed or not??

[@Drummerx04]

Oh he has his story straight. He's just trying not to say "I have a breeding fetish with underage girls" on camera.

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

Every time a conservative says "it could permanently damage your body and mind" I think how they could just as easily be talking about joining the military.

[@9of7]

I could not move on after hearing that. Like "right, minors" um.... JOE!?!

[@9of7]

Feels like one of those things dudes like Joe learn "after having a daughter"

[@aestevalis0]

More like one of those things that doesn't matter to guys like Joe unless it's his own daughter @@9of7 They have absolutely no problem ogling other people's barely-legal daughters. Sorry, my bad. Thought we were talking about the groomer panic, not the trans panic. I'm still right though.

[@thecthuloser876]

"If you lose your sex drive do you lose your soul?" Me, as an asexual. "No, Tucker."

[@moth.monster]

What if you just never had one? 🤔 Maybe you can try scamming the devil.

[@morgansearle3912]

I mean to be fair and honest and balanced and tee-em-see-arr, Tucker's definition of the soul likely doesn't include LGBTQ+ people, so I'm not sure he'd find that persuasive. I might suggest a brick delivered at high-velocity instead, which would be both a more effective and enjoyable retort to deliver.

[@33up24]

@@moth.monster sweet. I get a millions of dollars, the body I've always desired and the devil's get nothing

[@tylerpatti9038]

Tucker said probably smoking crack.

[@mygad]

That's exactly what a person with no --- ah never mind. Old joke.

[@amyfreakinkrupa]

I was one of those girls who got a breast augmentation surgery BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO BIG FOR MY BODY. I could not imagine having this issue as well as feeling I was born in the wrong sex - it would be so crushing to be stuck in that fleshy prison. They caused me chronic back pain and chronic abuse from folks around me who often felt that I grew them big on purpose to get attention and, therefore, they could touch and talk about them as they wanted. Once my girls were reduced, the number of creeps leering at me was reduced, and I began to have a healthy and loving relationship with my body. I can only hope that any child or adult in the future who wants to find this safety and self-love scan have an easier time than past people.

[@one-onessadhalf3393]

Okay I’m very happy that you were able to get that surgery and that you’re comfortable in your body now but whenever I hear the term “breast augmentation” my brain automatically associates it with Trixie Mattel and then I’m just wheezing

[@FFKonoko]

Breast reduction, not augmentation, right? 😅

[@AGNOSTIC_incomprehensibleXIV]

Hypocrisy Watch: I feel I must point out that the Right generally has no problem whatsoever with male babies getting the penile reduction surgery known as male circumcision.

[@GaySatanicClowns]

How tf did they think you "grew them big on purpose" Do they think women get a character design screen like you see in corn games? Maybe that's why they think women can control their periods, too. Oh, and why they think women don't have hair anywhere but their heads.

[@SinHurr]

Shout out to "fleshy prison"

[@wickedphant0m]

The McDonald's coffee thing is so infuriating that I always make a point to correct people if they ever bring it up in conversation. She was horrifically injured by an unsafe product that the company *knew* was unsafe and refused to fix. And they refused to compensate her outside of court. It was the jury who came up with the $2.9 million fine, which was two days worth of coffee revenue for the company.

[@cake_9510]

Every time I correct people they pull a misinformed "uhm acthually" because it's almost always incels at this point in my experience and they wanna use it to prove incel behavior is good.

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

Add to it that she only sued in the first place because she had wanted them to cover something like $20,000 in medical expenses and they refused. It's a commentary on the state of the US healthcare system that she couldn't even get her insurance to pay out $20,000 (for a very justifiable set of circumstances) and so needed to go cap in hand to the people who injured her.

[@oclone4796]

My school district recently had a panic after some teenagers died of fentanyl, we watched a video about it in school and instead of it being an informative discussion about it with medical professionals it was basically just a bunch of cops saying “we will find you” No seriously that is a direct quote from the video

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

That just teaches kids to hide better

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real and not get help when something happens.

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

Seriously, when will the usa leave the 1950s?

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 when they stop wanting to go back to the 1910s

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

@@airplanes_aren.t_real lol 👍

[@lexecomplexe4083]

Saying, "These people shouldn't be allow to live in our country," is just one step away from "These people shouldn't be allowed to live." Real shit

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Worth noting, there are only so many countries, and some likely have already taken that step... Makes one wonder where they'd want the people to go...

[@lexecomplexe4083]

@@youtubeuniversity3638 to the grave.

[@cake_9510]

​@@youtubeuniversity3638the ones in Uganda are ironically escaping to Rwanda of all places. It's come full circle!

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@youtubeuniversity3638 Away.

[@Random-gp3tl]

Fr we’ve seen this all before in 1930s Germany

[@Goomyx1492]

I had literally never heard about the cat litter thing before, but I've been out of high school for 13 years. I genuinely think parents are getting stupider and stupider over time. My theory is that lots of parents NEED some kind of threat to their kids that they can fight and stand against, otherwise they would need to do other things, like actually spend time with and talk to their kids.

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

More parents should get invested in stuff. Games, shows, other parents, so on. Sure, care for the kids, but also try and have a bit of a life for the inbetween times where the kid isn't pulling on your arm.

[@lesliewolfe7643]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@spongeintheshoe]

Or not have an excuse to control their children’s lives.

[@radschele1815]

It's like this "i would die for my children, but i can't 'babysit' them"

[@RD-zx6py]

Their God of choice forbid that they actually take an interest in what their children actually like doing.

[@Algardraug]

We used to tell each other about the silly Americans sueing over coffee when we were teenagers in Sweden. It wasn't until a year ago I heard about the ridiculous temperature and the hospital time. These tactics really work,. sadly

[@Zzyzzyzzs]

Don't worry, there are still examples of stupid Americans suing for silly things, like the lawyer who sued his drycleaner for $67M for losing his pants and causing him "inconvenience and mental distress". Unlike Liebeck's case, no one's misrepresenting any facts on this one here, it's exactly as stupid as it sounds. Look up Pearson vs Chung for the details.

[@Duchess_Van_Hoof]

Scanian here, and I reiterate this point.

[@Jm-ki4su]

parents be like: "if I cry hard enough, I can get this comic I don't agree with banned from my daughter's school so she remains subservient"

[@BlazingOwnager]

And their children be like "if I cry hard enough, I can get these people I don't agree with banned from my social media so they remain subservient"

[@charlieterry8506]

@@BlazingOwnager wait how does losing social media make someone more subservient?

[@thejuiceking2219]

@@charlieterry8506 because it's demonstrating that the people they're against aren't interested in a discussion, and are all too happy to just silence them, so why bother

[@themostdiabolicalhater5986]

@@thejuiceking2219 if you get “cancelled” on social media for your opinion, what actually happened is that the majority of people have the opinion that you suck. They deserve an opinion as much as you do. “Cancel culture” literally is not real lmao

[@neoqwerty]

@@BlazingOwnager Muh freeze peach, muh freeze peach

[@zinc_magnesium]

Crazy how a story can go from an unsourced “I heard this about these bathrooms” to Joseph Roganette Bogan Jr. saying “I personally know the girl who uses the litter box”

[@supergluehotty]

But if Roe Bogan knows her it must be true. But we must keep kittyman safe. All 100s of kittymans peers know this, and don't take a picture of the box that is in the school. This from the same Gen who had a meme of filming themselves stealing shit from school bathrooms.

[@rosaevee274]

Rogan is honestly primarily responsible for the current moral panic. He keeps pushing fringe right wing ideas, especially about LGBT people, into broader audiences.

[@RisqueBrusque]

"It's crazy, because it's happened like, millions of times already to millions of other kids with the respective millions of litterboxes that this narrative implies"

[@Nickchyll]

Joseph roganette Bogan Jr. lmao

[@Robstafarian]

@@rosaevee274 He has been doing that for about a decade now; I stopped watching JRE roughly seven years ago because I was skipping approximately four times as many episodes as I was watching, and I decided never to look back when I heard that Joe had neofascists (including open racists) as guests.

[@screamingcactus1753]

The frivolous lawsuit scare is just so baffling because, if a case doesn't hold water, it's just gonna be dismissed by the judge. That's what we pay judges and juries for. No judge is going to force McDonalds to pay out three million dollars to some old lady for a laugh, the fact that she got that much money in the first place should immediately set off some kind of bullshit alarm

[@mattymerr701]

They always play it as "it wasted courts time and costs the taxpayer!", which yeah, it does waste some time, but then if it is too egregious they get penalised anyway. And also, since when is "justice should be limited to a few people" ever a good take? If there is a chance for actual grievance, it shouldn't be ignored because it sounds a little silly or for some other dumb reason.

[@dividendjohnson4327]

As a blind person I really appreciate that the section headings for this episode were read out loud. It's a small thing, and it's already done on their podcast version of the showdy, but I like to listen to the show on KZbin because I think it helps support the team more? Thanks for doing what you do, guys.

[@Ooffoop]

I don’t think I understand how blind people live their lives

[@Expired_Twinkie23]

@@Ooffoop ok?

[@Trip_Fontaine]

@@Ooffoop There are programs that can read any simple text off the internet to a blind person. But when the text is graphics within a video, like in this case, it's basically impossible for the programs to interpret. It's similar to how those security captchas ask you to read stylized text to prove you aren't a computer. (Often they have an audio alternative for blind people.)

[@LarsKuhlmannCourtwright]

@@Ooffoop it's pretty hard to wrap your mind around that's for sure. I've blinded my self before just to try it basically try to see how much I can figure things out. It's really really hard. I've only ever done it at home where my memory of the space makes things WAY easier. Can't even imagine being totally blind in a totally new location.

[@evanellis9178]

How could you type this? (Sorry if this sounds disrespectful or ignorant btw. I’m just a bit confused)

[@pocketsizeforyourtravelcon3325]

Had someone post that stupid “litter boxes in high schools” story in my community Facebook page a few days ago. She got completely roasted in the comments, which was hilarious. However she kept doubling down on repeating the story, saying “it’s been confirmed by parents of students at the local high school” even though someone in the comments asked their kid WHO GOES TO THAT SCHOOL and the kid said “no that’s nuts lol”. Literally no first-hand evidence could convince her otherwise.

[@goonerbear8659]

And the only kernel of truth is there's literally one school that did it. Just one. An elementary school in Jefferson County ISD, which has in its jurisdiction...Columbine High School.

[@patrickmcpartland1398]

@@goonerbear8659 well they had kitty litter yes.... but it was for the school shooting policy and not for furries. So we could be talking about how insane it is that school boards are coming up with ideas of where kids could go to the bathroom incase they are in lock down for so long becuase of an active shooter, but instead we just have to spend the whole time assuring them that furries aren't invading their school. They are more afraid of furries that mass shootings at schools

[@fedos]

@@goonerbear8659 And they weren't litter boxes; they were buckets for use in case if a long term school lockdown.

[@clark523]

@@goonerbear8659 except that is also not true. They have "go buckets" including a variety of things that might be needed if students are locked in a room during an active shooter situation, including kitty litter. Entirely different than having a litterbox for furry students. And I don't think there's any evidence the claims originated from that district, the earliest claims I saw were in Canada and the upper Midwest US. That's not a kernel of truth, just something turned up by people looking into the merits of the moral panic

[@SwagFlap]

@@goonerbear8659 Nope even that one is false... There is Literally NO school ANYWHERE that did ANYTHING like that. Like cody said there is 1 school where they kept it in a kit for school shooter scenario's... So even you fell for the lies.. Don't feel bad happens to all of us all the time ;)

[@jordanmeyer9577]

Real life school teacher here... (While slacking off at second job)... At parent teacher conferences I had 3-4 parents ask and then double check that there wasn't litter boxes at my school.... I pointed them in the direction of the giving tree where teachers where asking for basic school supplies that we couldn't afford. To show we couldn't afford litter boxes or a custodian to change them.... Because teacher are the custodians.....

[@JvS1711]

I do hope you're not the English teacher.

[@jordanmeyer9577]

@@JvS1711 I get that a lot. Mostly from typing while doing something else on mobile....

[@thegeekclub8810]

That really sucks. We really need to stop obsessing over trans people’s existence and start helping kids get the education they need! I’m sorry you have to go through that as a teacher.

[@natsume-hime2473]

@@thegeekclub8810 This wasn't even about trans people. It was about furries and otherkin. Which I don't think kids can afford fursuits, considering that they're massively expensive. Also would be impossible to hide from their parents.

[@Arithryka]

@@natsume-hime2473 It's furries being used against trans people. i.e. """if we let MEN identify as WOMEN, and what's to stop people from identifying as a cat???""" or """look what happens when you let men identify as women"""

[@PhilosophyTube]

This one was really good :)

[@readerforlife7292]

How did this get lost in the comments 😭

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

Agreed.

[@donkthekongjr4670]

How does this only have two replies?

[@bpbw1412]

Help smn out they're not getting recognition they should

[@airconditionednul]

omg hi abi

[@heath6802]

As a trans man, it’s absurd to me to consider my own health and medical care as a moral panic. It shouldn’t be! I’ve been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, have had that diagnosis since I was 19 years old. Have gone through a therapist and an endocrinologist to get the transitional care I need... At no point have I been “transing the kids” or what fucking ever? If there are indeed ‘hordes’ of middle schoolers rushing into hormone therapy when such medication for their situation is unnecessary... Why is it the whole community including myself must take the fall? What should I be doing instead in their eyes? According to everything I know: I’m taking the proper actions for my life and wellness. Kids of course explore identity all the time? It’s not unusual! All you gotta do is listen to them, hear them out, and if they end up being cis after all that’s cool too! I may have heavily repressed as a minor, but that doesn’t mean ALL kids have to do that. If there’s any concern that they aren’t experiencing dysphoria? Good news! Social transition is only social with no long term effects and can be undone quite easily. And most surgeons (at least for FTM boys) don’t do any sort of operations until 18. And even then, you need letters from a therapist to sign off on it. It’s almost like? There’s a system set up to medically care for us? And it’s not this mass hysteria overnight werewolf transformation into weird freaks! Or whatever they think happens to us instead of just taking medicine like a normal person. (Though it’d be nice to have a better system...)

[@IAmNumber4000]

Rightoid defensiveness is not a rational belief and cannot be rationally dismantled. It is about power and ego preservation for them. Rightoids derive their self-concept from the “type” of person they are, which they extrapolate into social roles. Anyone who points out that these types and social roles are arbitrary is threatening their sense of identity, and they will defend themselves with violence if necessary. They are perpetually insecure people who cannot form their own sense of meaning. Someone must give it to them. This is how rightoid logic regularly turns genocidal. They perceive the mere existence of others as an attack against them, which must be defended against.

[@MrMarinus18]

There was also a wild moral panic when the Netherlands legalized gay marriage in 1987 and acknowledged trans rights 2 years later. Did anything come of that legislation for the everyday Dutchmen? No not really. Many Dutch don't even know the laws exist and react largely with disinterest if heard that someone is gay or trans. Key part being disinterest and not judgement. Being gay is just considered to be a quite minor part of someone's character. Often being a nerd is a far more relevant thing. Though globalization and increasing American cultural influence has caused it to spread and many Dutch now also start to panic about the rampant gays, not knowing gay marriage has been legal for 35 years already.

[@aris6745]

I'm 17 and starting T soon, and all the panic about it makes me feel bad about it all the time...... I don't know what to do, I don't want to be weird or a monster, but it's what I want. I am still going through with it, but the shame is definitely getting to me :(

[@forgenorman3025]

@@aris6745 You're not weird or a monster no matter what the hateful morons say. I'm a trans man as well, been on T and whatnot for about 8 years or so now, and I can assure you it's absolutely worth it. I don't hate myself like I used to, I'm so much more content with myself and I have friends that accept me for who I am. I wish you luck on your journey, no matter how it looks!

[@wesleywyndam-pryce5305]

@@aris6745 the only wierd monsters are conservatives.

[@cbowd]

Fun fact: the frivolous lawsuit moral panic has also been used to create the idea of "drive-by lawsuits"--that disabled people are suing businesses over ADA-noncompliance for profit (when surely ADA-compliance only matters if the disabled person regularly uses the business). Since the biggest piece of disability rights law we have basically requires that disabled people SUE in order to make sure they have access to things, it's been easy to create a bogeyman about evil disabled people attacking innocent business owners.

[@titanomachy2217]

Kind of like the bogeyman of evil white police officers hunting black people for sport.

[@AndaraBledin]

That's not what "drive-by lawsuits" are at all. There are so-called advocacy groups who drive by parking lots looking for violations to sue over, usually sending a threat letter first to extort money. This is a thing that has happened in multiple locations. One man in Carmichael, CA personally filed over 4000 such lawsuits, and another group in Arizona had the stated intent to file over a million before a news reporter exposed their chicanery which included shopping for plaintiffs and lying to them and in their filings. And, no, it doesn't require anybody to sue; most disabled people and legitimate advocacy groups simply talk to the business or property owner and get things corrected without any need for lawyers on either side. There are the same percentage of evil disabled folk as their are evil non-disabled folk. And in both of the cases I cited, there was an actual disabled person at the heart of the matter, though that's likely simply a matter of them being more aware of the potential to make some quick cash. After all, the Carmichael guy just pleaded guilty to tax fraud and owes some $250,000.00 for under-reporting his income. How many millions did he make that he still owes that much after having paid a portion of his tax liability over the three years in question?

[@AVspectre]

About 10 years ago I was involved with a local drag king troupe. Once a month we’d perform an early show and a late show. The early show was all-ages. Kids were welcome to attend and perform their own numbers if they wanted. When I say kids, they were usually Jr. High or High School aged. We were all selective about our content and costuming because there is nothing about queer folk that makes us unable to adapt to different audiences and understand context. Performers wouldn’t wear ‘packers’ or perform ‘inappropriate’ numbers. It was important to us that the show could be a welcoming environment where queer youth could gather and hangout together. Many also brought their family or friends to watch them perform. It was great! A couple of hours later we would have an 18+ show. The bar was open and many numbers were raunchy or addressed serious (potentially triggering) topics. Performances would often be audacious and experimental. It was also great! Both shows were drag shows. We used most of the (small) entry fees collected to provide funding for a local queer youth group (volunteer-led by a couple of our troupe members). This allowed their attendees to do some fun activities like attend a movie at the theatre or have craft supplies. Lip syncing a drag number can be a fun way to perform and build confidence. In one way, it’s like reverse karaoke - you don’t have to be able to sing to put together a fun outfit, character, and performance. Going onstage in front of a bunch of people can be really scary and vulnerable. Being able to perform as someone else can be liberating and help you realize you might enjoy performing even if you’ve always been more shy. Many people can relate to this experience in performing in a play during their school years. They have more in common than some folks might think. It really upsets me when people demonize drag or insist it is inherently sexual. That’s like saying all music or movies are inherently sexual. Instead, I’ve seen it expressed in a multiplicity of forms and with just as wide a range of intentions. We aren’t the ones acting as a threat to these kids. It’s those folks panicking people into a frothing rage about something they simply don’t understand. It’s the ones making threats of violence or those showing up with weapons to venues claiming to be there to ‘protect’ the children.

[@dilo7304]

Thanks for sharing a story from being personally involved in drag shows! But I have to admit that I misread the beginning as drug king and had to double take lol.

[@tannerbarsness9992]

Sounds like a similar thing to a place I played music at. All ages during the day but then it turns into a adults only venue after 9:00.

[@ntdscherer]

Man dressing as men usually do: totally normal. Man dressing as women usually do: must be about sex. Makes perfect sense unless you think about it for a second.

[@neothepenguin1257]

Even packers aren’t inappropriate imo, cis men have bulge. Thanks for sharing ❤

[@mayayamato7351]

these people threatening drag shows to "protect children" are going to end up with a body count that includes multiple kids if they aren't dealt with fairly in a court of law.

[@jayl2298]

“If it steals your sex drive, maybe it’s stealing your soul” is maybe the perfect distillation of what constitutes a moral panic. It’s just such an absurdly ridiculous that it would be laughable except for the fact that so many adults just get consumed by some irrational fear that leads to manufacture threats out of anything

[@basicsimp8798]

The McDonald's coffee case is just so heartbreaking. The old lady literally got thrown under the bus and mocked because McDonald's served coffee that is so hot it sent her in the ICU and had to undergo skin surgery. Like, I spil my coffee at times, and I never had that kind of injury.

[@black_sheep_nation]

It's true. And I was one of those people. Until I saw the documentary (Hot Coffee?) and I felt rightfully ashamed for accepting the quick, junk food narrative.

[@simonmagus2199]

she was literally thrown under a bus?

[@reaver11122]

​@@simonmagus2199 literally also means figuratively

[@Listening_Books12345]

​@@reaver11122I literally hate that that's true now. Words mean things goddamnit! 🤬 Okay, boomerish rant over

[@reaver11122]

@@Listening_Books12345 yeah, but language evolves and meanings change. Just part of culture

[@andrewking4302]

I’m so glad they addressed Walsh’s unfinished thought. It was driving me crazy seeing no one else address that. Incredibly telling.

[@thejuiceking2219]

just like what jordan peterson does. i feel like those lot do that more than we think

[@scottbubb2946]

Just thinking about when I was in HS and the panic of the week was heavy metal music and Dungeons & Dragons. We all know how scary those roll playing gamers can be. Imagine you're all alone, walking down an unlighted street late at night. Suddenly, from behind you there comes the clicking of a twenty-sided die on the pavement and you hear those terrifying words: "Roll for initiative..."

[@ScottCalvinsClause]

We almost lost Tom Hanks to that terrifying cult!

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Roll players are a menace. Nasty munchkins need to learn how to role-play 😡 /j /lh

[@ScottCalvinsClause]

Oh shoot. I made the comment before I got to the part where he referenced Mazes and Monsters. Now I feel silly.

[@Itcouldbebunnies]

Omg, I'm lterally shaking right now!📿🙏😳

[@MrxstGrssmnstMttckstPhlNelThot]

@@Itcouldbebunnies that cross necklace emoji looks like an among us lol ඞ.

[@fleromor]

I remember the tide pod thing starting as an ironic joke online about how they look like berries or candy, calling them "the forbidden candy" or whatever

[@Missmisery42]

As a pre-anything trans girl this recent rise in transphobia has been very emotional draining, and knowing that my dad watches the people behind all this bullshit fills me with dread, and the fear that I'll never get to be my true self around family

[@IAmNumber4000]

Also trans and just had to deal with the same thing with my dad. He said nothing for a few months after I told him and then had a freak out a couple weeks ago where he said a lot of cruel things to me. Currently writing him a long letter about mutual respect. God I hate writing letters.

[@GelidGanef]

Love to you both. I know a few trans ppl who've cut off some members of their family, or strictly limited their contact. And those people have incredible support systems and other members of their family or community who do support them and treat them with respect. So much to say that, I've been relatively lucky with my family situation. But also it does get better, regardless of how your family treats you

[@PFMediaServices]

Just popping in to say you are valid and loved. I'm sending good thoughts and best wishes in y'all's direction. ❤️🍍

[@eacalvert]

I'm so so sorry you guys are getting these responses from your fam. I can't imagine doing that to my child. My aunt is trans as is her fiance. She was given love and support by immediate fam (my mom, my sis and her fam and myself) when she came out but was never able to come out to her own mother (who had whole boat load of mental health issues). Her fiance is low contact with his fam. They still dead name him and have reminded him that "she" won't be able to get a "real" man if "she" keeps taking "all them drugs making you so hairy" (he has a beard. The point is 1) sorry for babbling having insomnia rn so brain doesn't want to brain very well and 2) more importantly, you are valid and wonderful and amazing and I'm glad you're here. I'm sending you mom hugs but only if you want them as I respect your personal space.

[@Frommerman]

What family? Anyone who does not recognize you for who you are has no right to call themselves your family.

[@adamkreuz9068]

I felt ashamed as hell when I found out what really happened with that McDonald's coffee. Sure I was 14 but damn did I fall for that shit hook line and sinker

[@asmodiusjones9563]

Maybe the people who should feel ashamed are the grown-ass adults with resources and in positions of influence and authority that hoodwinked a 14-year-old kid.

[@shadowsoul121]

Propaganda works sadly :/ it worked on me too I was under 5 yo when it happened and believed the lies until about 10 ish years ago

[@nathanmcguire932]

I believed the McDonald’s lawsuit to be frivolous too when I was in high school and going through my libertarian phase

[@jackray2510]

most people did. I had a hs English teacher who was studying law break it down in class for us bc someone made a joke about it. If he hadn't I would've gone well into adulthood believing the bs. And I still regularly meet people who haven't been told the truth about it.

[@marocat4749]

Too, which, wtf, they could have ust paid her bill, made a clause she doesnt talk to the media at least.

[@benjaminpeters6729]

Our neighbors tried to tell my wife that they moved to texas from california partly because the wokeness and they tried to say that a school in Bakersfield was allowing litter boxes in the bathroom. I told them that those stories are hoaxes yet they insisted they saw it even though they also said their cop friend told them about it.

[@shards0fwords]

🙈

[@neoqwerty]

I'd totally trust what a cop tells me, they're the pinacle of not lying /s

[@OpiatesAndTits]

This is a common white lie technique to turn someone impersonal and make it personal to give it credibility. It’s possible they found out about the littter box story because s friend of there’s said they saw it personally or a cop told them or they heard both stories. Sometimes this is intentional sometimes this is just shit getting mixed up in their heads.

[@OpiatesAndTits]

@@neoqwertyclearly you’ve never met someone from an attorney’s general office or other state prosecutors office. Christ they lie for a living it seems.

[@JessesanMan]

@@OpiatesAndTits /S means sarcasm

[@dokimoeraveparty]

not that it hasn't always been scary to be trans but it's gotten really really scary lately. if you're not trans and are reading this comment please speak up for us trans people whenever you can. so many people seem content to just let people say these things because they don't want conflict but that's the same as agreeing with them. they need to know that other people view us as human beings.

[@ctravis91]

I'm trying but I've noticed a major uptick in concervitives everywhere online. You know they're all being silenced and oppressed online so that's why you see them everywhere because of the oppression. But seriously when you try to counter their talking points they are either to stupid to get what you're saying or they are missing the point on purpose. I honestly hope they're just a bunch of morons because otherwise they really are just a bunch of evil bastards. At least ignorance can be corrected most of the time. I know this is a bit rambley but I've been trying my best to talk to the right over the past few years. Even when you do get them to coincide to a point and agree you with it's like within an hour they completely forget and go back to spouting their nonsense. I'm going to keep trying but sometimes it feels like a hopeless battle.

[@dokimoeraveparty]

@@ctravis91 trying to argue with them on this isn’t worth it in my opinion. they’re not willing to have their minds changed. they aren’t interested in the argument or reassessing their values. they’re only interested in hearing the argument so they can find the same stupid places to dig their heels in so they can more effectively throw their tantrum and convince neutral or uninformed parties to take up their view simply by being the loudest and making them think it’s the mainstream view when the truth is most people support trans rights. what i think might work better is just to be loudly supportive. solidarity will help us more than you trying to win arguments with bad actors who will never engage in discussion in good faith. your loud support helps drown them out and makes trans people feel safer. that’s energy better spent. save the convincing for people who are open to good faith discussion.

[@willneilson]

​@@ctravis91 I like to take some transphobe leaving comments on KZbin and say "Give me every argument you have against trans people and I will prove you wrong." I personally love getting into arguments that last for days but maybe that's just me.

[@JenniLynn1218]

Proud mama here of an incredible son who happens to be trans. I’m fighting for your right to exist every day. I want you to live and thrive. 💕🏳️‍⚧️💕

[@UserOfTheName]

Bro any time I try to argue with a transphobe they just scream groomer can't get a word in

[@FroztiProductions]

My sex drive increased heavily with antidepressants. In fact one of the final straws that pushed me to get help for depression was lack of sex drive.

[@jeremiahsaxton8967]

Right?! My libido has definitely increased

[@simonmagus2199]

in my experience, some are worse than others. for me, the worst one for lowered sex drive was zoloft. that was extremely frustrating. prozac only had minor side effects. and effexor (though it's an SNRI not an SSRI) had none; if anything it increased it.

[@FroztiProductions]

@simon magus I'm in reddit and discord groups for antidepressants and I've seen many posts of reduced drive for all SSRIs. I have only found a tiny handful of people in comment replies reporting increased drive. Seems we're really a minority. I had my testosterone checked since I have a lot of low T symptom, surprisingly it was really high.

[@lynkissa]

Anyone who is losing their sex drive as a result of treatment for anxiety or depression should consider reading up on vilazodone, which went generic last year and was previously prohibitively expensive under the trade name Viibryd. It's an obscure medication that not many health professionals know about, but it is generally prescribed to people who are in this particular boat. I don't have any statistics, but I do have anecdotal evidence that it has saved at least 1 marriage. I am also not a doctor and cannot give medical advice, I am sure there are many people for whom it would be a bad match. I'm only mentioning it in this context because, as I said, it's obscure but now much more affordable.

[@lymb3914]

I'm a transwoman well into her adulthood, and I'm afraid for my safety. I cannot imagine what it must be like to grow up in all this violence, hatred, and disenfranchisement. So many of my sisters and brothers and other siblings are going to die by suicide. You know the most disgusting part? They know they're doing that; that's the fucking point!

[@sweetgwendolynatx9580]

Love from your trans brother, also living in fear, but also fighting back and also living a life of love and joy.

[@eliasE989]

@@castorcarvi When will you grow up?

[@etheareal]

Sounds like you need a gun for protection.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@eliasE989 they won't

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@etheareal I feel like we are going to reach an "eye for an eye" problem with this Like yeah after the Colorado shooting it seems like the logical response but it just seems like adding wood to the fire It also doesn't help with existing individual problems or systematic one's I'd love to discuss it if you disagree

[@ConnorRust]

I helped my mother purchase several dozen buckets and cat litter. We filled each bucket with litter and distributed one to each classroom in preparation for potential school shootings. We are in Colorado. Cody and his source are correct. This is the only reason cat litter has ever been present in the classroom.

[@dangerousdays2052]

I just poo in ziplock bags. Much easier because then you can just throw it in the trash when you're done.

[@neoqwerty]

@@dangerousdays2052 I was expecting "then you can just mail it as a biohazard to political representatives you disapprove of" at the eend of your sentence I don't even know why.

[@jeffreycarman2185]

That is a sad and very scary story.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

@@neoqwerty I like your thinking

[@baronvonlimbourgh1716]

That is so sad. Such a broken country.

[@skylarrexwinkle3129]

As a trans person going home to central Kansas, the hatred caused by what yall are talking about hits home to me because this is why my only brother doesn't talk to me since i came out as trans

[@mariag.8242]

I’m so sorry

[@j.w.5788]

Much love to you, from one trans person to another. Please stay safe out there ❤️

[@corwhaffl]

I can be your new brother

[@reconarmor99]

Wow! You know, I haven't been legitimately surprised by anything Tuck Tuck has said on his show for a few years now. But I'll admit "If it's stealing your sex drive, maybe it's stealing your soul?" Got me.

[@Serenity_yt]

It is funny to hear. All us Asexuals running around are apparently soulless zombie fleshhusks then. I mean being Dementor proof is a nice perk but as I still live in reality I'd rather like to think I've still got one.

[@thexalon]

Some other methods to be well aware of: - If the thingy is focusing heavily on kids, be skeptical, because talking about kids is precisely how you get parent's higher brain functions to shut down. - If anybody is trying to whip you into a panic as opposed to calmly addressing the problem, they should not be believed or trusted. People who know what they're doing in emergencies try to keep people calm, not whip them into a frenzy. - Emergencies often exist solely in the minds of people with agendas.

[@monsieurdorgat6864]

Tbf, there is literally no such thing as a person without an agenda. My agenda is to work enough to survive comfortably and help others do the same, and will inevitably bias me on all issues. But that's a very different kind of bias to "Corporate billionaires want people to shut up about economic reform to help people dying of poverty they cause so they invent bullshit about minorities to distract the public". IDK, we're both biased but I think there's a difference 🤷😜

[@natewilson111]

I agree with all of your points, but I'm curious if you applied your thinking to the COVId masking/distancing/vaxxing/boostering hysteria over the past couple years 🤷

[@Sara3346]

@@natewilson111I... don't want to contest your stance or agree with it or in between without knowing what that stance is :-/ I've seen covid hysteria both from people harassing people for wearing masks and from those insisting people always wear masks out doors for examples, so I couldn't even call it ''one'' hysteria. It's more like I've been exposed to two competing narratives that both feel wrong whenever I go diving for evidence, that of covid being harmless/nonexistant nothing wrong if you think something is wrong your an idiot destroying the economy vs bioweapon worthy plauge, time to burn things to the ground so each molecule around us can be sterilized. The impression I come away with is that covid is essentially a milder more spreadable version of SARS, which you must be careful with because it can kill the vulnerable and and cripple survovors of severe case.....much like many a respiratory virus, it's worse than the typical influenza but nobody ever dropped dead in ess than a day from it while giving it to 100 other people, etc..... but that more nuance narrative doesn't sell much paper I would think?

[@kiritokun2365]

@@natewilson111 Panic is fear with no apparent reason 👀

[@natewilson111]

@@Sara3346 Ok. I actually agree with you 100%. Thanks for being consistent in your skeptical/critical thinking. Our culture wouldn't be in so much trouble if they employed even 10% of the common sense you're suggesting. Cheers.

[@oceansidegraveyard3567]

as a trans man i want to thank you for the respect and care you handled mentions of us, especially in the matt walsh segment. we're often completely forgotten about if we're not being made into monsters, and our issues usually ignored even by other trans people.

[@lazerpie101]

Damn, I wouldn't say you're completely forgotten. The book "Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters" comes to mind. In it, rather than being portrayed as a monster, you're portrayed as a dumb child who's being groomed into transness. Though it is unfortunate about the lack of good representation.

[@scherge]

Switch blades are illegal, but buying firearms together with your groceries is fine somehow? That's adorable...

[@joryrevealsreality6409]

hey cody, katie, and the team, thank y'all for all your hard work. as a man who was born an intersex baby, for some reason the doctors told my parents they needed to make a decision for me. they circed me up, did 'cosmetic' surgeries, and put me on hormones when i was 10. it absolutely FUCKED UP my biology and led to a fuckton of complications. unfortunately this isnt uncommon. plenty of intersex people in america have experimental treatments forced on them when they are children. and it wasnt like anything was broken and needed fixing (that is a very rare instance and not the case with the vast majority). they just wanted me to 'look' and 'develop' 'normally.' when i was 12 i told them 'i am a boy' and i didn't want to be forced to be something that wasn't me. you'd think that because they'd be forcing me into one binary, that once i was able to verbalize that decision myself: they'd let me. nope. as a minor i was never allowed to receive gender affirming care FOR ME only ever for OTHER PEOPLE who determined what i should receive FOR me. even though puberty blockers and testosterone would have improved the complications i was experiencing. slowly but surely intersex rights in this country are expanding, with younger doctors a little less likely to suggest mutilating the genitals of people's newborn babies, and the take-downs of like 2 intersex clinics. we still have a long way to go, but i only wish that more people recognized intersex people are common, and this whole stupid idea of only 'man or woman' doesn't even biologically exist. you can feel and identify whatever way makes it most comfortable for you to live. and i fully recognize the gop and far right goons don't want LGBTQIA+ people to live, which even though we've never had it good or easy has made our present day circumstances so much more volatile and dangerous.

[@NKingTotoro]

As I always put it, trans and intersex children are always "too young" to explore or decide their gender, but never too young to be forcibly assigned one. So many cis people don't even consider how damaging being assigned a gender can be to a child. It fucked me up pretty badly.

[@tired1923]

great point, this really underlines how much this is not about protecting anyone but rather about controlling people’s bodies to make them fit into artificial binary categories. I’m sorry you went through this, they made a choice for you they had no right to make. I’m glad you can live your life as you are now. this kind of unnecessary harmful operations should be what people are outraged about. it’s very good to hear that doctors are less inclined to operate on the genitals of infants, the fact that it’s happening at all is insane. you’re probably aware of the recent panic about trans female athletes that have lead certain organizations to set limits on the natural testosterone level allowed in female athletes that has affected cis intersex women. it’s technically collateral damage from transphobia, but tbh I think that even if intersex women weren’t the target the ones who shot downtown cared that they were in the crossfire. when organisations changed the meaning of woman they took away their womanhood and it’s awful. there really is no true gender equality without kicking the sex and the gender binary. screw 6th grade biology, human bodies are incredibly complex and it’s good actually.

[@marocat4749]

And i know you guys gals an enby, intersex shoulsnt carry that burden, but its really messed up what is "natural" and when its clear its messy, :( I really hope it get better ot at least till ki can make a decision themselves

[@thunder____]

Thank you for sharing your story; I want to be the best ally I can be in supporting people's rights to gender and bodily autonomy, and I was unaware that this was a common experience for intersex people, so I greatly appreciate you speaking up about your experience and giving me and others like me the opportunity to learn so we can join you in working to end the practice of forcing intersex children into the gender binary.

[@cjboyo]

I hope that someday we outlaw the barbaric practice of mutilating intersex infants. I’m an endosex (afaik) trans person, but I stand with y’all in your fight ✊🏻

[@moonlight4665]

When i first heard the litterbox story I assumed the school just had a class pet and maybe one of the kids peed in the box as a joke, or because they had mental problems or something. The real story is so horrifying.

[@ducksdragons8000]

as a teenager, I agree, we are horrible and disgusting

[@neebs929]

Not everyone is. Find good people. There still are some!

[@NosebleeddeGroselha]

Here in Brazil a youtuber made a similar list of topics of how conspiracy theories are made, it’s a really interesting topic. His list consisted of: choosing a fact; finding some way of saying it’s a lie, based on diabolical evidence you can’t possibly check; cherry-picking points that could prove you right, out of context; making a social media presence to spread moral panic, or even mainstream media presence; claiming any factual evidence that goes against your conspiracy theory is actually manipulated and false; finding some madman with a degree who can give some credibility to your statements.

[@azarisLP]

Cody called D&D "fantasy improv theater with dice" and my life will never be the same.

[@HinataElyonToph]

I mean that’s essentially what it is lol

[@sweetgwendolynatx9580]

Thank you for this. As a trans person, one thing I wish was more widely explained is why it might be appropriate to give a trans minor top surgery. For a not insignificant number of trans teenagers, the dysphoria that they feel regarding their breasts is so extremely that they harm themselves permanently and profoundly by binding their breasts. Binding is something that is only medically safe to do for about eight hours a day five days a week. Some transmasculine teenagers feel so much horror and suicidality at their own breasts, that they bind themselves so tightly and for so long that they do permanent and serious harm to their bodies. I know someone who did this as a teen and who still suffers on-going pain and a limited lung capacity in their 30's because their rib cage was not able to form properly because of binding as a teen. This isn't going to be most people, but it probably is going to be a few thousand people a year (though it would be less if they could freely access puberty blockers and not grow breasts to begin with). These will be older teens, and the decision will be made with the teen, the parents, and the doctor. Surgery of this sort is a last resort and should be made by the people involved who are aware of the medicine and the individual circumstances and not by politicians with an agenda to hurt people.

[@idontwanttousemynameyoutub7538]

Thanks for the info.....never heard that before, it sounds awful.

[@evanellis9178]

I think any sort of surgery should be strictly 18 and above but I'm perfectly fine with binders, it just needs to be done in a way thats safe.

[@Grant-dx3qt]

@@evanellis9178 What if, now hear me out, it wasn't your call? What if your opinion on when surgery should be allowed for other people isn't your business at all?

[@evanellis9178]

@@Grant-dx3qt Because a minor doesnt have the capacity to make those sort of descisions and theres a chance they may regret it later in life. You can see many stories of people who had top surgery when they were teens who later went on to regret it. I think it should still be allowed, but only for people who are developed enough to fully understand the pros and cons

[@LakeofCrystalclan]

@@evanellis9178 So you’re saying that even with the best advice available, and even with intimate knowledge of the subjects and what’s best for them, that no minor should have any surgery? Even lifesaving, MEDICALLY NECESSARY ones? You’d also rather a trans person in that position with your logic off themselves then get a lifesaving procedure? Stay in your lane.

[@rhaeven]

For Matt Walsh, being 17 is too young to make any important decisions but 14 is old enough to get bred

[@guillermoelnino]

ok gr oomer

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

I guess he doesn't see being bred as a decision but as an occurrence, like being hit by a truck or somesuch.

[@theeccentric7263]

When a 40 y o man wants to permanently change your body it’s okay. But when you want to take your autonomy into your own hands, then it’s a problem. It’s about control.

[@spongeintheshoe]

As long as they’re not the ones deciding to get bred…

[@frozenbinarystudio]

"I was hoping for something in line with what we learned in high school" Translation: "Repeat my rhetoric or else"

[@berndb23]

They teach the McDonalds coffee cup case in law schools now as a way to explain punitive damages. I imagine a side benefit is to give all future lawyers the ammunition to debunk this to people who use it to attack us.

[@phoenixvance6642]

I learned about its sensationalization in a high school law class. I felt like a huge dumbass for buying into the stories about that situation at face value prior to learning the actual context.

[@HinataElyonToph]

@@phoenixvance6642 same. But then again I was also under the mindset that I needed to believe everything my family believed at the time. And they watch Faux News almost religiously. Glad I learned otherwise because holy shit. I still feel really ashamed with how bigoted and closed minded I was back then

[@thejuiceking2219]

the sad thing is even knowing this people still blame her on the grounds of it was her fault

[@jedics1]

I remember being fooled into the "greedy lady suing McDonalds for her own stupidity" media story.....Another reason for me to be happy that I take in almost zero mainstream media for two decades now.

[@mckymcobvious3043]

my dad's sister told me about it; I'm thinking abt correcting her (it's not gonna come up in conversation, so I'd have to bring it up out of nowhere.) think I should??

[@neoqwerty]

@@mckymcobvious3043 Be preepared with that. take notes -- snopes debunked it and links to the court docket IIRC? And bring it up like "hey so remember the McDonalds story you told me? So I was curious and I looked up the court case and..."

[@zwartdude]

The litter box thing I heard was a agricultural highschool with a vet-tech program and it was literally for cats that were on campus.

[@jayspeidell]

The truth is that some schools put boxes of litter in classrooms so that kids could relieve themselves while hiding from a mass shooter.

[@krkngd-wn6xj]

There was a very very small version of this in my country, where the university held some sex ed thing, and that day, there was a photo of a girl with a leash in her hand, wearing a lab coat walking somewhere. So some news sites ran a story about fetish stuff being taught in university. It luckily didn't pick up steam. I went to that uni at the time, and have seen that girl before. She does some research work around animal psychology. The leash was for a pig she was taking for a walk.

[@AluRooftop]

"woman" is one side of the bimodal categorization of gender. It is a category that is ascribed to people through socialization, and is involved not only with a set of gendered characteristics, but also with a set of expectations imposed unto the gendered subject regarding demeanor and gender roles, and also with another set of expectations imposed unto others regarding the treatment of the gendered subject.

[@seanold]

Moral panics aren't the same as they used to be. Adults these days just don't know how to reminisce about the old days/how bad things are now, anymore.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

This comment is delightful

[@jeffersonclippership2588]

Oldest members of gen x are in their 50s, moral panics and neoliberalism are all they've ever known so they don't even have old days to reminisce about cause nothing has changed

[@butHomeisNowhere___]

They really don't make wistful reminiscing like they used to

[@slevinchannel7589]

46:30: OOF. Epic-Fail of Cody there. He has clearly not done his Research. The Movie Cuties is indeed extremly aborrent, mate, you not knowing this doesnt change the fact.

[@werbizzy]

@@slevinchannel7589 how so?

[@journeyswithpaul]

Was already feeling my existential crises diminishing. Let's get those anxiety levels back up!

[@joeyj6808]

Dammit, you have to keep those levels UP! What kind of Amerikan are ya?!

[@minasthirith6314]

@@joeyj6808 A french one.

[@davespanksalot8413]

Remember, it's only existential angst if it's from the Existentialist region of France, otherwise it's just sparkling anxiety...

[@Puddlef1sh]

That's what I'm here for. Gimme some.

[@charlieterry8506]

Eh, I don't know man this one actually had like a really positive message at the end and a call to action which gave me a greater sense of hope. I guess I'll just have to look elsewhere for my anxiety fix smh my head.

[@sarcastichamsandwich5413]

I do want to note that the movie Cuties, while it was intended to criticize the sexualization of children, ABSOLUTELY sexualized children in the movie itself, and should not be praised because of that. The criticism towards that film is absolutely warranted and should not be pushed aside. Just because it had a good intention does not mean that its execution was at all moral.

[@Darca1n]

It was creepy as fuuuuuck.

[@archmagef6971]

It was supposed to be uncomfortable to watch.

[@rambbler]

​@@archmagef6971but why did they use real children? The message itself I can get behind, even it being intentionally uncomfortable, but those are real child actors that didn't need to be used. They could've easily gotten the same message across in an animated movie or using adult actors who have special effects to look younger.

[@NikoJr.]

The only problem with the Cuties example is that if you watch the film, your first thought is not "wow, this is really showing me how child sexualization is bad." More often, I hear the impression is "wow, there's a gratuitous amount of sexually-charged imagery in this movie"

[@TrainerGoldAlt]

seems like a bad move to call out something you are accused of doing in the same breath. "Shoplifting is bad but not when I do it because I'm telling you it is bad"

[@SpacedOutAlpaca]

The Stella Leibek story makes me upset every time I hear it. Like, not only was that a horrible story on its own, the way it was purposefully distorted later is absolutely horrendous. There is so much wrong there and it boils my blood and oh God I am so pissed.

[@aaronr9023]

One of the strong points about McDonald's case is that what the jury actually awarded was 3 days worth of coffee sales. That's what caused the award to go so high.

[@spacebees86]

I am a biologist. t\The "basic biology" argument pisses me off so much. Maybe, just possibly, a high school class you got a c in 40 years ago didn't fully cover the entire field of study? Maybe, just maybe, there is more to biology than "basic"?

[@IAmNumber4000]

Yeah I’m a bioinformatics major (also trans) and hearing absolute slack-jawed yokels talk about “science education” and “basic biology” drives me up a wall. If you follow their appeal to authority to its conclusion, and ask them what they think researchers and academics in biology have to say about trans issues, suddenly they switch to “But but but academia is woke so you can’t trust it!!” So if your biology education is any more advanced than a 1960’s high school dropout’s biology 101 class, you’re woke. But they think everyone _else_ is just ignorant about biology because they haven’t had enough science education? Brain worms is the only explanation.

[@EnsignGeneric]

"Kids shouldn't be allowed to make decisions that will change how their body develops," they cry. I wonder how they feel about school sports.

[@aramilalpha1]

When I was a kid, the fundies were trying to create a moral panic around Harry Potter because it glamorized witchcraft. We know now there are a lot of reasons to not like Harry Potter, but witchcraft barely makes the list.

[@IvanVKlik]

not le heckin unwholesome 100 fundies! harry potter was so cool and wholesome keanu chungus until that evil woman said men in dresses aren't women, so it's evil now, because being a mindless part of a death cult is fine so long as it's a secular neoliberal one! honestly, is there anything nearly half as cringe as being an atheist lmao

[@thecomradegeneral6375]

The church I was once a member of (regrettably), had a bonfire during evening service just to burn Harry Potter merch. This was in California.

[@IvanVKlik]

@@thecomradegeneral6375 that sounds definitely real. anyway, how's your relationship with your dad doing?

[@mariag.8242]

I don’t know what’s wrong with those books except the author has made controversial, possibly transphobic comments. There’s nothing transphobic in the books that I recall. Definitely way too many straight white kids so the token others stand out but I don’t think Dean, “the black kid,” was portrayed stereotypically etc. Fat-shaming definitely, and general good people are attractive crap but that’s everywhere.

[@KalCounty]

@@mariag.8242 The fact that the stories contain race-based slavery sure hasn't held up very well.

[@dade1603]

They way Tucker Carlson says "Just kidding" like his audience suddenly became incredibly scared he was being serious

[@David_Fellner]

His demographic isn't exactly known for their sense of humor or ability to detect nuance, so it was probably actually necessary.

[@sambo669]

He also won a law suit in regards to his show by stating that his show is so over the top and ridiculous that no normal person would take it seriously.

[@aden_ng]

I know taking antidepressants reduces my sex drive, but considering the alternative is me dying, I think I'll just not wank as much.

[@Alex_Barbosa]

I'm so glad you went over the stupid freaking cat litter school crap. I was so tired of hearing about this from my parents, it feels really nice having someone debunk this garbage to a large audience.

[@lyleswanson7557]

I always liked Ringo's line in "A Hard Days Night", when asked "Are you a mod or a rocker?" He replied, "No, I'm a mocker."

[@skyelight9848]

As a transitioning woman, moral panics aren't just annoying and emotionally draining, but threatening and potentially violent.

[@BlazingOwnager]

Don't worry too much, if you do any actual research into the matter the common belief there's this wildly high murder rate related to identity is actually extremely false. People will often get pretty upset when they hear that, and immediately want to slur you as some right wing liar, but seriously, I just implore you to do your own research - I was cleared up on this at first by someone who was in fact trans themselves. The vast, vast majority of murders involving transitioning victims have absolutely nothing at all to do with identity. If someone is say, shot in a robbery or similar, it gets added to the tally like they were killed because of who they were, not because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's really unfortunate. To elaborate, I'm not saying it never happens. But I am saying that much like at the height of COVID where they would frequently label someone as "dying of COVID" even if they had a heart attack, were already dying of cancer, etc. and happened to have COVID, inflating the numbers, I suspect by people trying to bring attention to an issue through a "white lie." Again finally, please don't take my word for it. The usual response to trying to clarify this is hostility because it's such an often repeated fact. Look into the statistics yourself, to the names listed and decide for yourself. You might even feel a little safer afterward.

[@NKingTotoro]

@@BlazingOwnager "please don't take my word for it" That's a good idea! It's almost like you are talking authoritatively about something you don't know anything about.

[@yasdiaz2118]

@@BlazingOwnager the way you make a comparison to something that is quite literally a conspiracy talking point to bolster your argument is truly something else

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@NKingTotoro No, it is something I've done research into because I research oft-repeated statements from either side of the political spectrum and better than 50% of the time, they turn out absolutely misleading or false.

[@BlazingOwnager]

@@yasdiaz2118 Except it's not. Go actually do search on whatever neutral source you'll accept. Everything I said here is factually accurate, despite how often it is repeated.

[@LyonsM]

OMG, I remember the spilling coffee lady. What was told was simply she spilled hot coffee on herself, sued and won. Not that the coffee was 186 degrees.. And , we bought it, hook line and sinker!!!

[@jaesynn2015]

Thank you for bringing up the movie "Cuties." The p*do panic around that movie was/is insane.

[@tamararoberson8060]

I didn't watch it but it was wild. The movie wasn't out yet (apart from film festivals) and both feminists and conservatives were in full-blown panic mode that this movie existed.

[@itsskipilidee5562]

But wasn't the concern that these were ACTUAL children that had to do these acts for the sake of the movie? Don't get me wrong, the message is important, but I don't think actual children needed to be involved. The same message could have been executed differently.

[@jaesynn2015]

@@itsskipilidee5562 That was the concern, and it's unfounded. In an interview that is very easy to google, it's stated that body doubles are used for sexual scenes, and the dance sequences are composite shots - not all filmed at once. You could just make an animated film with all adult voice actors, but that kind of defeats the point of the film. Discussing children's sexuality is complex and nuanced, and I feel these discussions often devolve into "they're too young to know what's good for them. Protect the children." This, I think, removes a child's agency and treats them like unintelligent beings incapable of understanding. Cutting the children out of a story about their experiences with hyper-sexualization in the media is like saying "we know this happens, but we refuse to engage you - the child - in any discussion about it." Again, it's complicated. But kids deserve to be involved in their own stories. And it sounds like this production did what it could to keep the actors informed, comfortable, and safe.

[@itsskipilidee5562]

@@jaesynn2015 Thank you for telling me, I had no idea! I'm looking at some articles now, and its wild to me that so many youtube videos came out analyzing this movie without bringing up anything about body doubles or the actual production of the film in general!

[@caimantroup6986]

​@Jaesynn so while I do think you make some valid points, it doesn't stop from feeling like a having your cake and eating it too type of deal. Like yes, let's talk about how fucked up child pagents are, yes let's have the children who are affected by this talk about it if they're comfortable doing so, but, even if it was with body doubles, did we need to have sequences of hyper sexualization of what the audience are supposed to believe are children on screen? Even if they are composite shots, aren't the dancing scenes literally doing the thing the movie is supposed to be condemning? Like you can make the argument that doing that is supposed to make the viewer uncomfortable in order to spur action, but it's far more likely that the reaction will be what actually happened, especially when there's a good chance that the very people you're condemning are getting off on the movie you're making. You don't have to have on screen vivid depictions of rape to get across that it's bad, ya feel?

[@ZiggaRats]

"a lie can travel around the world and back again while the truth is lacing up its boots." - M. Twain

[@anomiceleven]

i have to thank the Satanic Panic. It introduced me to D&D. It also introduced me to metal, thrash and punk - lifelong companions. Thanks Tipper Gore! Always always buy the cassette with the 'Parental Advisory' sticker. You won't be disappointed.

[@themurdernerd]

🤟

[@BlazingOwnager]

The funny part is all of the people today pushing censorship of "the bad people" are just repeating the exact same thing Tipper Gore did. They will say it's not and rant at how now their side is enlightened and the others are the 'bad people,' not realizing, that too is the exact same thing Tipper and her followers felt. Conservative zealots, communist zealots - doesn't matter. Censorship is always wrong, and people should be able to blast wrong and bad ideas at maximum volume if they want.

[@ArcturusOTE]

@@BlazingOwnager Are these "communist zealots" in the room right now?

[@aralornwolf3140]

Do they even make cassettes and players these days?

[@phyokyawkhaing2251]

@@aralornwolf3140 I think so, but they are mordernized versions that aren't compatible with players from ages ago

[@TheNormExperience]

“The first step in dealing with them is to not panic - even when there is something to panic about.” Wow - Douglas Adams really called that one.

[@unvergebeneid]

Watching this made me so mad, I had to pop adenochrome-laced rainbow fentanyl like it was candy to calm me down.

[@peterprime2140]

I read the word fentanyl in your comment and overdosed so I had to shoot a dog to calm down.

[@anarkistic]

@@peterprime2140 I got so sad and depressed about you shooting a dog that I signed up for a new college coarse on how to trans drag queen furies to cheer me up.

[@StayUpOneLove24]

I think the thing I love most about this show is that it really helps me stop me from feeling like I’m crazy. Cause he point out shit that I notice too and then I’m thank god some people notice this shit as well and I’m not losing my mind lol.

[@turdfurgeson1643]

Cody's Showdy and Jon Oliver's weekly depressing facts show help me think I might not be insane, and a lot of shit is just as fucked up as I see it is.

[@mothiestman4995]

Just got a flashback to when my mom tried to "blame" my asexuality on my medication back when she was still coming to terms with never getting grandkids from one of her multiple children. She also said it was "insecurity brought on by peer pressure" back then. She already had three aro/ace friends back then. Wild times.

[@tabmclusky39]

I definitely wasn't panicking when I immediately googled "genetically enhanced smart spiders" as soon as he said it.

[@hyperdude144]

Look up Adrian Czajkowski's Children of Time series. The booksa re about a Scifi Smart Spider civilisation.

[@SMDoktorPepper]

Ive lived through SO many of these panics..and they keep coming back! And its ironic they always seem to be based around kids while being complete BS

[@jennatavares4695]

Right. Because if kids try to say "nah this ain't right" the adults can turn around and go "don't listen to the kids. They're kids what do theyyyy know" I hate older generations speaking on a younger generation. Look how afraid old people were about baby boomers when THEY were young. People just pick out convenient information and ignore the rest

[@Rawnblade13]

It's really ridiculous how the same ones keep repeating. You STILL have right-wing ultra religious people ranting about Satanic spells and cults and pagan books that will corrupt your kid's minds! It's the 21st fucking century and people still believe this witchcraft garbage.

[@SMDoktorPepper]

@@Rawnblade13 this is why the GOP have been attacking education for so many decades. If the population doesnt have an education, anything they push will be believed.

[@ddjsoyenby]

same....i hope one day the people who buy these d13 out.

[@airplanes_aren.t_real]

History has a rhythm

[@martinbruhn5274]

The thing with "what is a woman" is, that what woman is a term, that reflects more of a lived reality, rather than a distinct thing. You can ask the very same question with a whole lot of mundane things and find out, that it's actually kind of difficult to answer that. "What is a country" might be such a question, or "What is love" or something like "What is a house"?You can of course answer, that a house is something, which i made for human inhabitation. But then again, there are houses, that are not used for that. And some people don't live in houses, many nomadic people still live in tents. But a tent is not a house. Is a house a structure, that provides indoor space, a roof over your head? Well, is a cave a house then? Is it a man made permanent structure that provides indoor space? Is a factory hall a house then? There are clearly many structures that you can still include into whatever definition, that you might come up with, that we would not consider to be houses. But of course, with a house you can still argue with its purpose, but with things that just are, without any specific purpose, it can get quite hard to find a perfect definition

[@nicholewarren4229]

God that argument was fucking PAINFUL

[@aaronb.2707]

put more simply: it's cluster analysis, we group things by a subset of relevant traits, and apply the label of the relevant cluster, botanically tomatoes a fruits, culinarily they're vegetables, etc.

[@SinHurr]

baby don't hurt me

[@FrozEnbyWolf150]

Whenever some transphobic right winger acts like that's a gotcha question, I tell them. A woman is someone you want to strip of bodily autonomy, deprive of voting rights, force into arranged marriage, and violate the consent thereof. Since this includes trans women, that must mean trans women are women too. In fact, when it comes to taking away their rights or committing acts of violence against them, right wingers are more than happy to treat trans women as women.

[@verager2493]

The topic was abortion, which they were deliberately distracting from. Also they don't care. Your answer is good for people engaging in good faith, but a better approach for the person up there would be to center the discussion back on abortion

[@MrHatoi]

54:00 Fun fact, Walsh just straight up says this now. He doesn't even try to hide it. It's crazy how much more comfortable he's become after only a few months.

[@commandertorres]

I sorta live in some kind of moral panic home. I once wanted to sing a song from Heathers, Meant to be yours. And when I showcased the song, EVERYONE loved it. Everyone except my mother, who at first called it “Me screaming” instead of singing, but then she told me not to because “Its violent and a lot of school violence is tied to people with Autism (I have Autism) and people will think that I am being serious with the passion I am singing it.” It became this fucking social argument between the family about the song and I had to bend the knee and take the song out so I can sing another one. My Dad got mad about it (Although his anger is not that Im not singing the song but that I dont have a higher number of songs to sing from). I told the guy running the show why I dropped the song and while he respected my opinion, he was flabbergasted by the reasoning mom didnt like it. Id sing it for another musical but we just went through a Bomb Scare in our college, so it might seem in bad taste.

[@D3ADBOY]

"It's a free country, your an adult, you should be able to do whatever you want" I wish he actualy meant that. LEGALIZE ALL DRUGS.

[@BlazingOwnager]

"Except post things I don't agree with online"

[@edienandy]

Right? I should be able to go to the drugstore and buy as much LSD as I want lol

[@xenos_n.]

I'll never forget when President Urkel started the Iraq war. I was horrified when all he had to say was "Did I do thaaaat?"

[@peanutbutter625]

I love shows like this. I also love the fact that they attach an 8 pages of links for their sources.

[@namedhuman5870]

When I was young, LGB people were new and scary to conservatives. The children couldn't possibly understand LGB people. We, the children, could understand it and were fine. Most us and most supported gay marriage. In early adulthood, gay marriage came under a different name and most people were unhappy. Just make it marrage, the bigots won't be happy anyway so don't appease them at all. Their problem was gay people existing. Now even the most bigoted seem to have realised they have lost that fight, so they move on to trans people now. Give the bigots nothing. They hate other people existing. There is no compromise that doesn't hurt the innocent and the bigots will only want more innocents to suffer as their prize.

[@skeetsmcgrew3282]

They really did realize they lost the fight on gay people and moved on to trans people, huh? Funny how flawlessly and gradually they made that transition.

[@GuyPerson-jt9tv]

I always wondered why knives were banned from more states than guns were, and now I know.

[@ms.aelanwyr.ilaicos]

Can't stab someone with a gun. Checkmate, atheists.

[@skislope4218]

The second amendment

[@thejuiceking2219]

because knives are bri'ish and they remind them of 1776

[@hmnhntr]

@@skislope4218 Except that also protects knife ownership?

[@Hailstormful]

My next underground DnD session will feature a lizard/snakeman warrior with questionable hissssspanic accent, specializing in switchblades and named Modus Rockerdam

[@ileezamotherofrain4537]

Photos of Liebeck's injuries are readily available and mentally scarring to see. But nothing compared to the pain of what happened to her. If I ever hear someone laugh at her or mock her again, I'll get their contact info and send them a link they will not forget. Her privacy and dignity have already been violated. At the very least, people who laugh should know how awful it really was, check themselves. If they have any decency, they'll support her memory and her family, and support others who suffer similar consequences of a business's neglect.

[@WilliametcCook]

Ah crap I forgot politics is actively detrimental to my mental health again

[@despicablyawesome]

my dad always brings up the mcdonalds case, saying he "remembers when it happens", i never understood why he was so stuck on that version of events even though my siblings and i debunk it every time. but of course it's bc local news was doing PR for corporations. the d&d stuff and the lawsuits and all the moral panics seem silly to look back on, but i understand now how compelling the narrative is when it's happening in real time

[@SinHurr]

That's one of my favorites. "I remember when it happened." Yeah granddad, even if your memories are 100% accurate that doesn't mean the reporting at the time was.

[@davidmhh9977]

I'd had so multiple conversations about the lawsuit that start off with the person saying the lawsuit is dumb technicality, where the coffee didn't have a warning label and the woman wasn't actually injured. Then, when I pointed out that the coffee caused third degree burns, they switch to, well, obviously coffee is supposed to be hot, as though spilling coffee has always been some kind of death sentence.

[@geraltrivia6148]

It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they were fooled.

[@Sara3346]

@@geraltrivia6148 I was fooled by this one and can admit it.

[@DowncastParadox]

I never heard the story outside the context of "here's something everyone gets wrong" so I was never exposed to the media narrative from the time it happened. That said, I find the American habit of shifting responsibility away from the individual rather annoying. I feel for the old lady, but when I make coffee, it consists mostly of water that was boiling just a moment ago and thus would be just as dangerous as the one she spilled on that faithful day. Water, by definition, can't exists beyond its boiling point at which it turns into steam. In fact, in my native language we say "I _boil_ coffee" as opposed to "I _make_ coffee", further emphasizing that boiling water is indeed part of making coffee. So as far as I'm concerned, the notion that coffee can be "too hot" is silly. Fresh coffee should _always_ be treated as inherently dangerous, period. Burning yourself with it is like crashing your car because you were texting - you don't "deserve" serious injuries for a momentary lack of attention but it was still your fault. And to be perfectly clear: the way the media portrayed that particular case was vile and wrong but ultimately irrelevant to the incident itself. If your culture somehow came to the agreement that fresh coffee isn't inherently dangerous, then fair enough... I guess? But stories like that are the reason why America gets made fun of: instead of teaching alertness and responsibility in the face of potential danger, you rely on warning labels and expect corporations and the government to treat you like toddlers.

[@ShiniNoMegami]

The origin of the 'litterbox' rumor is so much more awful, because the root of it is that some US high schools, including the sadly infamous Columbine HS, have buckets with cat litter in them that they keep around in case of active shooter situations. It is there in case they are in a lockdown scenario and a person needs to use the bathroom but cannot safely go use the facility, and so there is a bucket for that purpose. That's it. A precaution against the out of control gun violence in this country got picked up by the right and weaponized against the trans community