Moral Philosopher: Peter Singer

[@VeganLinked]

Get Peter Singers books here via the VeganLinked affiliate link: amzn.to/3F96d6c Some may say question if Peter Singer is vegan. All I can say is I normally don't like saying someone is vegan enough, but he's vegan enough. He has inspired more people to go vegan than 99.9 percent of vegans out there. And he makes the most ethical choices he can. I think the only time he has been flexible is when someone else offers him something vegetarian, he may not find it necessary to let it go to waste or turn someone down, perhaps to build a rapport and make a bigger impact, perhaps he is considering something deep here beyond the obvious. Apparently he is able to influence people this way, I think for him it makes it more viable maybe with his relationships, esp as far back as he goes. Singer presented at this vegan event. This is the last video presentation in this series of presentations. Next week I'll return to interviews. If you look through my interviews a lot of people have been influenced by Peter Singers work. I'd say for his age, how long he has been living compassionately, and all he has accomplished he is incredibly vegan. If the whole world was like this man we wouldn't even need to have the word vegan anymore, we all just would be. For more information on AVA Summit visit: AVASummit.com. Special thanks to James Hoot for the extra camera angles and AVA Summit for having this wonderful event! Watch the first half of this evenings event here with Ryuji's talk: kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYXOYmiAhrqLbK8 "Peter Singer, Ph. D., author of Animal Liberation and co-author of Animal Factories, is one of the highest profile writers on ethics today. Born in Australia, he has taught at Princeton University since 1999" greatergood.berkeley.edu/profile/peter_singer "Peter Albert David Singer AC is an Australian moral philosopher, currently the Ira W. DeCamp Professor of Bioethics at Princeton University. He specializes in applied ethics and approaches ethical issues from a secular, utilitarian perspective." wikipedia This video was produced by Jeff of VeganLinked. If you like my work and want to help me keep the cameras rolling please consider contributing here veganlinked.com/fundme/ and/or becoming a member to the channel kzbin.infojoin For more awesome vegans check out our playlist "Vegan Stories, Insights & Perspectives" kzbin.info/aero/PLmSzj4R9w2MC2b0L_07bRyphvPsxcz7Px

[@VeganLinked]

I don't consider animals food. I don't know if Peter does and I assume he does not. But, at the same time, over 90 percent of the world does. So, it's a mute point to a degree whether we think animals are food. I think he has only been flexible with dairy in very specific social situations. I've been vegan AF since 2011 and I'll be 50 in 2023. If I never consume anything ever from an animal or purchase anything ever from an animal and in no way ever exploit another animal and live to be 120 I still think Peter Singer was more vegan than me. In a sense if a carnivore was to make a million people go vegan, that carnivore would probably be more vegan than you and I combined lol. We have to think logically otherwise how in the hell can we even say we're thinking? Just thinking out loud...

[@XeLYoutube]

Thanks as usual for your great work :D

[@VeganLinked]

@Anon Anon If we are going to qualify veganism and quantify it then veganism is about reducing suffering. Well, consider how much suffering his work reduced exponentially through all those he has influenced. Can you say your life attributed to this much reduction in suffering? Does this make you less vegan? If you listen to him you will understand this and appreciate what he is and become an even better vegan ♥ I'm trying to anyways...

[@VeganLinked]

@Anon Anon as far as I know he is vegan. If you think he isn't you need to ask him. In the meantime, i have a lot of interviews with vegans to edit. My work is very time consuming and this is my way of doing what I can to reduce suffering in the world and work toward eliminating it. Going back and forth with you is not helping us save animals. If you're going to criticize Singer you may want to start with first looking at what you're doing. I doubt you have even come close to reducing as much suffering and for all we know you may have eaten more animals than Peter even doing an age to consumption ratio. Yet to love is to not compare. Debate him on this. For me, it is an honor to have him on this channel because he has inspired so many I have interviewed go vegan.

[@CompassionIsPower]

"He makes the most ethical choices that he can" - That's not true. I agree that he has done far more for the vegan movement than I have- but doing good things doesn't mean one can't be critiqued for doing bad things.

[@annaal7480]

I read the book Animal Liberation in early 1980s. He is the reason my life has changed. My hero.

[@VeganLinked]

Thanks for sharing, I hear this often in interviews! When did you go vegan?

[@Gwilfawe]

I don't mean to sound contradictory, but you're the reason your life has changed. You put into action what either logic or your values or a combination of the two were telling you. No doubt Peter helped you. I appreciate you

[@Gwilfawe]

@@annaal7480 I'm sorry if that's how I came off, I didn't mean to I can't take back my words of course but maybe I could rephrase to 'give yourself credit where credit is due'

[@annaal7480]

@@VeganLinked I went vegetarian straight after reading his book (about 1984) and vegan, gradually, some years later. Cannot put my finger on the date because I was moving around the world for years and it was impossible to have control over each meal I ate. I remember I was served foie Gras in France once. I said to a waiter that I don’t want any animals product in my meal and he served me a foie gras with my salad. It was layered with water melon. I sniffed it and knew what it was. The waiter and his colleagues were watching me, hoping I’ll eat it. So, in those days it was hard, one was the oddity people made fun of. I also stopped using leather (never bought a car with leather seats since then) and non vegan products tested on animals after reading the book. I lived in South Africa then where, unlike in UK, there was not much information or culture of caring about animals.

[@XeLYoutube]

@@annaal7480 Thx for being vegan

[@JohnThomas]

What an inspiration Peter Singer is!

[@lisaclausen8304]

I have his book, "Animal Liberation" and so happy you have him on! Thank you so much!!

[@mickeyspencer5745]

Ja, aber was meinst du dazu.. 'Die heterozygote familiäre Hypercholesterinämie, deren Häufigkeit in der Bevölkerung bei ca. 1 : 500 liegt, ist mit einem hohen Risiko für eine vorzeitige Arteriosklerose und koronare Herzerkrankung verbunden. Die Erkrankung wird von Generation zu Generation übertragen. So haben z. B. Kinder einer Person mit heterozygoter familiärer Hypercholesterinämie ein Erkrankungsrisiko von 50 %. Da die Ernährung ein Schlüsselfaktor in der Therapie von Kindern mit familiärer Hypercholesterinämie ist, ist das Ergebnis einer Studie, die auf dem 72. Kongress der Europäischen Arteriosklerose Gesellschaft in Glasgow vorgestellt wurde, besonders beachtenswert für eine wirkungsvollere diätetische Intervention. Hintergrund ist der mittlerweile wissenschaftlich gesicherte Effekt pflanzlicher Sterinester auf den Cholesterinspiegel. In der Osloer Studie sollte überprüft werden, in welchem Umfang die Behandlung von Kindern mit familiärer Hypercholesterinämie durch Pflanzensterine unterstützt werden kann.' Andere Quelle: ' Heterozygote Manifestation Prävalenz in Deutschland 1 : 500 Homozygote Manifestation 1 : 1.000.000 Typische LDL-C-Konzentrationen Heterozygote Manifestation 190-450 mg/dl (4,9-11,6 mmol/l) Homozygote Manifestation > 400 mg/dl - 1.000 mg/dl (> 10,3 mmol/l - 26 mmol/l)' LDL-Cholesterin Werte.

[@joule23]

Great lecture. Thanks for sharing!

[@tofudoesntscream]

I’m disappointed to see him being called vegan. While he has done much for the movement, it’s okay to acknowledge that he isn’t vegan. He is deserving of recognition and praise for what he has done for the movement, which is admittedly a lot and certainly more than I’ve done in my life thus far, but it’s okay to critique him for not being aligned with the very philosophy he’s shared with the world.

[@VeganLinked]

He may not be vegan, but somehow he's still more vegan than 90 plus percent of vegans in respect to the amount of animals he has saved from his life choices and as a result of his work. I mean, if we're going to quantify it, I think the animals care more about results than being someone being fanatical who doesn't get the same results. Let me know when you've surpassed his success with spreading veganism and reducing exploitation and suffering.

[@LaSorciereFeuillue]

​@@VeganLinked spot on!!!

[@NoInjusticeLastsForever]

@@VeganLinked I've seen you make excuses for plant-based eaters calling themselves vegan but now you're defending blatant non-vegans. I bet you also defended Alex O'Connor when he stopped being vegan claiming "He's done more than you have so it's fine." Let me guess, as long as someone donates more money to charity than I ever will then it makes it okay to violate human or animal rights? Easiest unsubscribe ever.

[@veganpowergrab]

vegetarian linked. peter is a vegetarian!

[@VeganLinked]

Pinned comment addresses this, thanks though

[@XeLYoutube]

thefore veganism is true!

[@VeganLinked]

Explain this to the Vegan and Animal Advocacy. I just wanted to capture the person behind so many people going vegan I have interviewed... I was on the fence but Robbie from PBN said "he may not be around much longer". So I couldn't resist

[@VeganLinked]

But, if you think about it, Singer is more vegan than 99.9 percent of vegans. If we are going to qualify veganism and quantify it then veganism is about reducing suffering. Well, consider how much suffering his work reduced exponentially through all those he has influenced. Can you say your life attributed to this much reduction in suffering? Does this make you less vegan?

[@XeLYoutube]

@@VeganLinked Someone is vegetarian instead of vegan. Thefore veganism is more ethical than vegetarianism. lol character assasination dont make 1+1=3 hehe

[@indef2def]

So many people in Korea who are trying to reduce meat consumption eat Chueotang (loach soup), one of the cruelest dishes there is. We need to get this more attention locally, for sure.

[@mickeyspencer5745]

Aber auch das ist ein wichtiger Aspekt.. 'Die heterozygote familiäre Hypercholesterinämie, deren Häufigkeit in der Bevölkerung bei ca. 1 : 500 liegt, ist mit einem hohen Risiko für eine vorzeitige Arteriosklerose und koronare Herzerkrankung verbunden. Die Erkrankung wird von Generation zu Generation übertragen. So haben z. B. Kinder einer Person mit heterozygoter familiärer Hypercholesterinämie ein Erkrankungsrisiko von 50 %. Da die Ernährung ein Schlüsselfaktor in der Therapie von Kindern mit familiärer Hypercholesterinämie ist, ist das Ergebnis einer Studie, die auf dem 72. Kongress der Europäischen Arteriosklerose Gesellschaft in Glasgow vorgestellt wurde, besonders beachtenswert für eine wirkungsvollere diätetische Intervention. Hintergrund ist der mittlerweile wissenschaftlich gesicherte Effekt pflanzlicher Sterinester auf den Cholesterinspiegel. In der Osloer Studie sollte überprüft werden, in welchem Umfang die Behandlung von Kindern mit familiärer Hypercholesterinämie durch Pflanzensterine unterstützt werden kann.' Andere Quelle: ' Heterozygote Manifestation Prävalenz in Deutschland 1 : 500 Homozygote Manifestation 1 : 1.000.000 Typische LDL-C-Konzentrationen Heterozygote Manifestation 190-450 mg/dl (4,9-11,6 mmol/l) Homozygote Manifestation > 400 mg/dl - 1.000 mg/dl (> 10,3 mmol/l - 26 mmol/l)' LDL-Cholesterin Werte.

[@yipfaitse6738]

I agree

[@lisbethchristensen1981]

❤

[@MoAboali-k2n]

أنا من مصر وإننى أدرس بيتر سنجر فى منهجى الدراسى فى المدرسة الثانوية وأعجبنى حقا احترامه وتقديره للحيوان ولكن لم افهم معنى المذهب النفعى هل معناه احترام الحيوان للمنفعة؟

[@EugeneKhutoryansky]

One of the problems with utilitarianism is explaining why killing is wrong, if done painlessly. If all that matters is the greatest good for the greatest number, then we can create new happy individuals to replace the ones that have been killed.

[@VeganLinked]

Hey, it's Eugene! Awesome seeing you here. I'm not clear what exactly you're referring to, but for the sake of clarification, eating animals is unsustainable. Therefore, they are crammed into concentrated animal feeding operations where there is no such thing as happy individuals. Also, there is no way to kill painlessly if it leaves behind friends and family that will suffer without the one that was killed, assuming killing one may affect others still alive.

[@EugeneKhutoryansky]

@@VeganLinked Everything you said is correct, but it is theoretically possible to kill without creating suffering. For example, the individual may have no friends or family who will suffer.

[@VeganLinked]

@@EugeneKhutoryansky True, I don't know if that's theoretically possible on any sort of meaningful, relevant level in the context of eating animals and veganism. Because, sustainability must be factored in. So, on the premise sustainability that theory seems moot, or theoretically impossible or improbable in any sort of applied way. But, maybe it's still important to consider. And generally speaking I think it is.

[@EugeneKhutoryansky]

@@VeganLinked I was referring to problems intrinsic to utilitarianism, not necessarily to the issue of veganism. But with regards to veganism, eating animals could be sustainable if done as prior to the 20th century, where people ate meat in much smaller quantities and factory farming did not exist. But, from an animal rights perspective, even this would be unacceptable.

[@HT-rq5pi]

​@@EugeneKhutoryansky That is indeed a problem for hedonistic utilitarianism - if you kill something painlessly (and in total secrecy to avoid creating anxiety in others of being killed in a similar fashion) and replace it with something else that experiences equal happiness according to this theory your action is morally neutral. In his book "Practical Ethics" Singer advocates for preference utilitarianism instead. Maximising the greatest good doesn't mean maximising overall pleasure, which is a difficult to measure mental state, but rather maximising the greatest number of satisfied preferences. By killing something, you are thwarting its preference to continue existing and therefore you cause harm to it. I also note that this particular objection to hedonistic utilitarianism applies to humans as well as non-human animals, so it doesn't really have anything to do with veganism.

[@forrestlong7898]

Singer isn’t a real vegan because he doesn’t want to extend the compassion to human animals that he has for non-human animals. He’s argued in favor of killing newborn babies with disabilities, therefore not vegan.

[@Mrm1985100]

He's awful.

[@VeganLinked]

He's definitely controversial but he's helped a lot of people go vegan so he's probably more vegan than 90 plus percent of vegans.

[@tofudoesntscream]

@@VeganLinked I don’t agree with this. Because he’s been a prominent figure in the vegan movement, he’s automatically “more vegan than 90% of vegans out there?” Talk is cheap, actions speak louder than words. I want to see people align with what they preach and be unapologetic about it.

[@yipfaitse6738]

@@tofudoesntscream Singer donated more money to animal charities than most vegans, and probably has more impact on animals than almost all vegans through what he did, what more actions do you want?

[@HT-rq5pi]

Just because someone is in favour of euthanasia does not make them a non-vegan. Maybe you should actual read his argument and come up with an actual refutation.

[@bohditony]

From interviews I’ve heard singer say he eats animals. Also that he wrote the book as project of exercising a thought. Not to turn people into vegetarian or vegan. Good accident.

[@VeganLinked]

sometimes actions are bigger than words it seems

[@VeganLinked]

@Jasmin could it be a potential problem with this might be, someone eating road kill for example would be normalizing consumption which leads to a significant increased risk of exploitation of animals, dead and alive. This makes it possible to exploit a live animal in such a way that is advantageous to them dying, masquerading behind the normalization of eating them. The only way to prevent that would be separating us entirely from normalized consumption under any circumstances. I have no desire personally to eat animals. But I don't see anything wrong with bivalves at all. I would much rather someone eat that than a cow, chicken, fish, pig, etc or anything with absolute sentience.

[@kramkalisthenics]

"And he makes the most ethical choices he can. I think the only time he has been flexible is when someone else offers him something vegetarian, he may not find it necessary to let it go to waste or turn someone down, perhaps to build a rapport and make a bigger impact, perhaps he is considering something deep here beyond the obvious." WOW being "flexible" and eating animals is so deep, right? Disappointed you take this stand. You also believe people can be kinda pregnant I guess.

[@VeganLinked]

This is not my position this is only my understanding of his position. I don't do this at all. But I'm not going to have a problem if someone else does because that's the least of our problems obviously.

[@VeganLinked]

But I understand what you're saying. I think this is just the utilitarians position, or the welfarists. I think philosophy is intriguing but I am not at all interested in promoting welfarism. At the same time I'm not going to have a problem someone else is, I just don't have the energy or time or space or interests. I am more of an abolitionist.

[@VeganLinked]

If you look across my channel this is really the only video like this and it's because he was so historic in the movement and others wanted him in the mix... I wasn't even going to video this but Robbie from plant based news suggested it last minute...

[@Mrm1985100]

I used to think that Singer was a great leader in the vegan movement, I now sincerely wonder if he has been unwittingly used as controlled opposition the whole time. Did Singer help create the vegan movement, or was he promoted and pushed forward to try and derail it? In my opinion Tom Regan is generally much better.

[@VeganLinked]

He wrote a book and helped a lot of people, I just keep it that simple

[@marioparedes9507]

Please beautiful people overcome extreme views! Singer has changed many peoples lives by going vegan or vegetarian or dramatically reducing their meat consumption! Being a vegan does not mean belonging to a secta or something!

[@Mrm1985100]

@@marioparedes9507 You sure about that? Or did he massively slow down the whole movement by a few decades? Veganism starting taking off once it BROKE free from Singer's influence.

[@indef2def]

Tom Regan, whose deontological argument, not being founded upon capacity for suffering, he ultimately concluded extended moral status only to mammals and some birds? Sometimes I think as few anti-consequentialist vegans have actually read his book as conservative Evangelicals who have actually read the Bible.

[@sst6358]

I’m going to be sick 🤢

[@mickeyspencer5745]

Vielleicht hilft das? 'Die heterozygote familiäre Hypercholesterinämie, deren Häufigkeit in der Bevölkerung bei ca. 1 : 500 liegt, ist mit einem hohen Risiko für eine vorzeitige Arteriosklerose und koronare Herzerkrankung verbunden. Die Erkrankung wird von Generation zu Generation übertragen. So haben z. B. Kinder einer Person mit heterozygoter familiärer Hypercholesterinämie ein Erkrankungsrisiko von 50 %. Da die Ernährung ein Schlüsselfaktor in der Therapie von Kindern mit familiärer Hypercholesterinämie ist, ist das Ergebnis einer Studie, die auf dem 72. Kongress der Europäischen Arteriosklerose Gesellschaft in Glasgow vorgestellt wurde, besonders beachtenswert für eine wirkungsvollere diätetische Intervention. Hintergrund ist der mittlerweile wissenschaftlich gesicherte Effekt pflanzlicher Sterinester auf den Cholesterinspiegel. In der Osloer Studie sollte überprüft werden, in welchem Umfang die Behandlung von Kindern mit familiärer Hypercholesterinämie durch Pflanzensterine unterstützt werden kann.' Andere Quelle: ' Heterozygote Manifestation Prävalenz in Deutschland 1 : 500 Homozygote Manifestation 1 : 1.000.000 Typische LDL-C-Konzentrationen Heterozygote Manifestation 190-450 mg/dl (4,9-11,6 mmol/l) Homozygote Manifestation > 400 mg/dl - 1.000 mg/dl (> 10,3 mmol/l - 26 mmol/l)' LDL-Cholesterin Werte.

[@VeganLinked]

Lol, why? I know a lot of people don't like singer but he's made more people go vegan than most vegans could ever dream of. I wasn't going to video him but someone highly recommended it. So I just went with the flow

[@indef2def]

@@VeganLinked Deontology is brain rot. Makes people care more about performative purity than getting best results for the beings that we're supposed to care about.