What is the BEST Guard Battleline Infantry? | Astra Militarum | Warhammer 40,000

[@edwardbarach2263]

Imperial Guard units with Scout are: Catachans (including Straken and Harker), Scout Sentinels, and Kasrkin.

[@giantninja9173]

And the dedicated transports that carry them 👍 Points for the mobilized catachan infantry that get their chimera blown up and then get to be punchy.

[@callumjohnston858]

Rough riders are something I've had my eye on as a Tallarn player. They seem like very useful light cavalry to secure objectives early, and threaten enemy units in a very annoying 'not enough to focus, but too much to ignore' way. Plus with that movement, you can potentially surprise an enemy that assumes their super neat thing is safe on the backline. Edit: that terrain point is fair, makes them situational.

[@lookbach]

I like 1st wave: 40 x Catachan 2nd wave: 40 x DKoK Third wave: 20 x standard infantry

[@vxicepickxv]

My third wave is busy getting free Fields of Fire from Creed while throwing mortars

[@BloodBuffalo]

Depends on your playstyle. All of them offer something that can be most effective maximized in certain playstyles. Especially depending on attached leaders. Is the infantry for damage, move blocking, getting on points etc etc. Cadians sticky objective is invaluable for how I play. Command squads ignore modifiers ability comes in handy more often then people realize.

[@357Dejavu]

I love my Generic Infantry squads! I love having the big guns in my infantry, especially on a camping command blob.

[@jddj6747]

I've been preaching the good word of the rough riders. They make Solar useful

[@ZeCommissar]

Damn, here I was opening youtube looking for some new Mordian Glory and BEHOLD! THERE IT IS

[@kcneedles261]

I charged the rough riders into imperial knights. Mass Melta lances punch up real well. They get their points back before their first Reinforcement.

[@demonfaeshae]

And here I am still desperately trying to make Cadian Shock viable lol Great info as always!

[@Kingofdragons117]

They really should just get rid of stickies for assault with orders.

[@giantninja9173]

The sticky objective is so game dependent. Like if there’s big scoring at the end of the battle round, the enemy is out of reserves/movement shenanigans or it’s the last round, and something an enemy controls just needs to die, it helps. Outside of those circumstances you were better off with an infantry squad firing a mortar from behind cover the whole time

[@Hello-bp8dx]

They can be pretty useful is small games, where you have less units but same map size. But in standard 2k games, yeah there are better options

[@waterdotzable]

I just run mine as dkok with a kitbashed sergeant and medic

[@philiplabrie700]

They can be useful on smaller 1000 points games.

[@GrimmDork]

Huh. Those two boxen of Space Nam sitting on my shelf are suddenly looking *even* better 😅

[@გიორგიმოსაშვილი-ო3დ]

I was already planning to get myself some riders and this just makes the decision that much easier

[@PurpleIsALetter]

19:38 kasrkin can scout too, that's probably partially why they got nerfed

[@danwilde4712]

You haven't lived until you ride out a charge with Lord Solar and the Rough Riders.they are able to get everywhere you need on the battlefield and the face on your opponents face when you get 4 Melta lances through on a tank for 12-16 Wounds? Priceleas. Then they kill them. Then you bring them back.

[@TrashCombine]

When it comes to Hunting Lances, pick the Melta against anything that's not 1 wound models. Even if you're just charging Marines, use the Melta, you want your hits to kill, not maim in those cases. If you charge a big blob of 1 wound models though, the frag starts to come in big. Don't forget your goad lances of course, they're great at all times, but the melta is what you want unless they're charging chaff.

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Poor Cadian Shock Troopers - just add to their special rule "All ranged weapons fired by members of this unit gain the [ASSAULT] ability" and make the drum fed autogun 18" range 4 shots and make it [PISTOL]

[@eyohboy455]

Too powerful

[@adamcarey6093]

Grim demeanor is very powerful. I like this suggestion. It shows that they are assault troops. Something different from super tough siege soldiers of the DK. And the drum fed auto gun needs a huge buff. It needs to be on par with a plasma pistol and power sword.

[@MrSenger285]

I typically use my catachans as a Straken delivery system. If any extra get there, it’s a bonus.

[@jacobstrong9888]

Where the FUCK are my Tempestus?! They're the finest of the Emperor's TRUE FINEST!!!

[@MrWiwl]

They're not battleline

[@gookey388]

​@@MrWiwl, Are u sure 'bout that?)

[@MrWiwl]

@@gookey388 yep, only these 4 are battleline. Your karskin and scions are other datasheets

[@gookey388]

@@MrWiwl Do u know what will happen if you make Tempestor Prime ur warlord?)

[@MrWiwl]

@@gookey388 a specific warlord that turns these units into battleline does not a battleline make. You have to go out of your way to make scions battleline when it's honestly irrelevant because you can already bring them back with regiment and no one is taking 6 squads of scions for the cost they are

[@4TheLion]

Da Krieg boys and Cadians as my main line, vanilla infantry squad for my command blobs

[@patricklinnett1819]

Rough riders are banging, I've been playing a lot of them. Maybe I'll demonstrate them to you if you're at the RTT in JustPlay on sunday!

[@Mykyl1969]

Lord Solar army with THREE 10-man Rough Rider units with Death Rider Squadron Commanders in each unit. This gives 3 units with Infiltraion abilities. Placing the Rough Riders in a straight line across the table nose to tail with inch and a half between them. You should be able to stretch from one side to the other of the table. Then before game starts, Lord Solar redeploys them.

[@4nc3st0r]

Man I've never been more happy to find 2nd-4th edition the best now the game has become sweaty for people to come up with nonsense like this

[@TuShan18]

I’ve actually been enjoying the idea of the base infantry more. Lord solar or some other character, a command squad, and an infantry squad can have 2 or even a full heavy weapons squad. You can have some extra shots with mortars, and because they don’t require line of site, they can shoot anything in range behind cover and sitting on a backline. Or some extra anti tank with lascannons. Can never have too many of those. Also, this is purely a thought, but maybe a sniper is an interesting choice because it almost matches the range, so it can potentially chip down characters, sergeants, or problematic special weapons in enemy squads.

[@Lumovanis]

Precision can only target characters, not special weapons. It makes them a lot less useful

[@heavyweaponsguy4498]

You can also use a mortar into my Platoon command squad to proc fields of fire without wasting an actual artillery piece. And, if you take a generic infantry squad also with a mortar, it makes blast weapons a little less effective against you. It probably won't ever come up outside of a mirror match, but it's something nice to think about if you're just shy of a full 2k.

[@TuShan18]

@@Lumovanis my bad then. I thought it could target anything. Good thing I knew this before testing.

[@Internetrando31416]

I’ve loved Rough Riders ever since they popped a CSM Lord in Terminator armor in a single round of combat back in 4th Edition; there will always be a place in my list for these guys!

[@BlueGoblin1]

Liked the showcase of the catachan rough-riders. They are on my list of things to add to my pile of shame.

[@Muttdog1945]

Kasrkin also get scout 6in. A bit pricey now, but still a decent option.

[@ZrrMe]

In the next rules update you just get to pick an objective at the start of each game and put a squad of Catachan on it.

[@dominicl5862]

What?? Leaks?

[@Josh-zd9pq]

Sadly no :(

[@deltacharlie1760]

I barely even have 600 points of Space Marines yet this channel makes me want to go and buy 120 kriegsmen. Chaff city sounds a lot of fun.

[@Madlarkin00]

Kasrkin also have scout, and if your looking at horses... the death riders with the death rider commander get infiltrate. So could be another honorable mention. However right now anything forgeworld I would not recommend picking up because of what has happened with other recent releases

[@laurengough7158]

What about Tempestus Scions? Making them battleline with a Prime Warlord is awesome!

[@729060]

I like Krieg for the psudeo reanimation protocol especially when paired with the krieg Marshall for the FNP

[@mjr8888]

I like the Cadian's when you combo with Creed and the Cadian Command Squad. Like, this is a great breakdown, but all units are worth using.

[@TheTobaccoman]

Rough riders are the only way , BANZAI !!!

[@PurpleIsALetter]

Honorable mention to rough riders, which are not battleline but not to scions which are battleline if your warlord is a tempestor prime?

[@NoName-lo9ym]

Also - test drive the Rough Riders!!

[@horseface31]

Autogun sgts are cool, but Autocannons get me rizzed up

[@dominicl5862]

Yo glad the rough riders got some mention,someone needs to run Solar with 10 RR, thats a glorious charge

[@metalsmith3234]

16:50 those are some weird looking necrons

[@FardTeam]

This video cound have been broader. Since DKoK Marshals were brought up, the Kastellan and Command sq. should have been considered for Cadians. Prolly wont make them S tier, but it vies them Fall back and Shoot! AND Not lose any OC if battle shocked. they are not as bad as they sound. Also, Catachans giving scout to chimeras is NICE.

[@samfish2550]

I kinda wish they had more varied infantry and Calvary. Especially cav since between horses and bikes and other more niche vehicles that could really let your infantry heavy guards still have some diversity in looks on the shelf and gameplay. Specifically bikes, like imagine a bike squad with side cars to act as a transport or that are used to carry extra munitions letting them give a unit shoot twice once per game. Hell if guard got a infantry medic to give some model regen slapping them or a character like a commisar on a bike for mobility to get where they need to be would be really interesting for infantry or mechinized infantry lists.

[@malal6512]

I have to agree with this Meordian on everything EXCEPT the catechins, sure they can scouting move and haul ass up the board to grab an objective early game.....but that doesn't mean jack with a 5 up armor in the middle of no man's land in a game where ap-1 is prevalent in almost every weapon.......

[@grimfist_one]

I think when you add in leaders, this list changes - cadians with command squad can never loose OC even when battle shocked thanks to the command squad ability.

[@schiffsmechaniker8061]

I am buildung a 1500 Pts List with Creed, Platoon Commandsquad, Tank commander (with GS), Gaunts Ghosts, 3×Catachans, 2× Krieg, 1×Infantry, Ogryn Squad, Basilisk, Exterminator, Dorn and Scout Sentinal. Are 50 Infantry enouth or should i put more in. The Infantry Squad has a Morter and goes with Creed and Commandsquad.

[@Sirilere]

You could swap the Ogryn with a 10-man squad of Kaserkin and a Chimera if you can work it in? 60 is bare minimum for mech. infantry. Ogryn kind of are "meh" right now. However, Bulgryn are a terrific melee unit! Slap shields on your Ogryn and make them Bulgryn, that would be an upgrade to your list.

[@schiffsmechaniker8061]

@@Sirilere thanks for your Tips. I swiched the Exterminator for Kasarkin and put Bullgryns instad of Ogryns

[@rileysmith7763]

I’ve been making good use of double-Autocannon 20 man Infantry squads with a DK Marshall here and there. I’d maybe rank them second, but it’s a very close call! Infantry HWT’s fill the same role as artillery for me (supplementary fire to weaken/finish stuff off), and they win games by standing on circles.

[@Frankie-McGough]

Half an hour with MG while I make some terrain ❤️

[@AutisticDumplingMan]

Me painting my Tanith First army while listening to guard tactics knowing damn well the soonest I’m bringing it to the table is 11th edition

[@Frankie-McGough]

@@AutisticDumplingMan you are my spirit animal 😂😂

[@rileyjessup2414]

If cadians were able to sticky objectives from transports they would be a lot more viable

[@Rexir2]

No mention of Scions, lambast!

[@King_Crawdad]

rough riders are really good. i like them alot in 5 man squads and they have definitely earned their points back. you will pretty much always use the melta lance and thats okay

[@thecheesemaster2967]

Can i get a honorable mention to the tempestus scions

[@Jaybirderino]

I will fight tooth and nail for Rough Riders! Put 10 up against a leman russ and you'll see who comes up on top! Bought 10 because I was suffering against Tau in 9th and haven't regretted it since.

[@Aaron-bd3to]

Catachan for early wave and DKoK to hold the line

[@operator9858]

I may not be sold on the catachans but the rough riders could be okay for many of the same jobs but they seem like they would eat up a lot of cp if you were reinforcing them...

[@keyne444]

THE KASRKIN CAN SCOUT!

[@venkelos6996]

I still don't like Catachan. It's partly their Rambo motif, but mostly their kit. I KNOW they used to be a regular Infantry Squad, with guys sporting plasma, melta, and other weapons, and if they won't update the models, these wouldn't be the first 20-year-old models they expect people to use, so I wish the CJF unit wasn't so restricted. Sure, if you have the old models, you can just run them as Infantry Squads, but still. It's also thus paradoxically weird, to me, that they seem to have (hypothetically) left the Cadians the worst, since those received the new models, recently. They don't WANT to update Catachan, yet; maybe holding out till the codex release, next year, while Cadians have new stuff to sell. I honestly don't know how well this works with Kriegers; they were FW resin, and now they're plastic?, but do they stay in stock well? At the end of the day, I think I still just want new units, and maybe a better Cata kit. I'll always be a Cadian fan; this is futuristic space battles on another planet, so the Starship Troopers meets early 2000s soldiers vibe will always trump WW1, or 1960s soldier, for me, but I still want Catachan to get their own Kasrkin/Death Riders second unit; preferably a close combat/assault unit, maybe a few more upgrade options, above flamers, or a Rough Riders variation, riding some big beasts.

[@illiaboiko7354]

The problem is, Katachans do damage and Katachans are very good at delaying enemy units with melee combat. I am far from a good player, but I recently had a game against an Aeldari player. I saw his Wraithguards moving out of cover to kill my Rogal Dorn. Luckily, I had a squad of Katachans with Straken in a Chimera not so far away. Well, 20+ inches away. Several orders later, said Chimera deployed my boys near the Wraithbones. Sure they lost 4 models in the first round of fighting, but then they took down 4 WBs in return. Do not underestimate Katachanian melee ability. You can throw them into many matchups, and they probably won't win, but they will do solid damage so that the enemy won't be able to win either. At least not fast enough.

[@maddogmadden23]

No jump packs :( my Warhawks are sad. Trying to figure out what to use them as. Probably Cadians

[@legitpop-tartreviews3045]

Do you think you could make a list video soon?

[@5thlegion123]

Mechanized Infantry all the way 🔥!!!

[@fox21231]

It bothers me that the elite deathworld veterans cost less points than basic bitch guardsman.

[@Avera9eWh1teShark6]

I don't think the Cadian Shock Troops are given enough credit. While the Jungle FIghters are faster out the gate and the Death Korps can potentially output more damage at range, Shock Troopers (when played correctly) leverage the best aspects of the guard more efficiently than the other regiments, and that is OC and heavy firepower. while the Shock Troops ability on it's own doesn't seem like much, when paired with a Cadian Command Squad, it pretty much guarantees you are going to take the objective even against opposing battle line hordes like tyranids. If so much as one rifleman survives alongside the command squad, it doesn't matter if the squad is battle shocked or not, they will still hold it, and then in your turn, you can move off the objective and a tank or something else can clean up the point without sacrificing control. Add in a Castellan and/ or an Ogryn Bodyguard, and now you have some serious power on the assault, as well as fall back and shoot. This means you aren't spending two turns fighting over an objective and not moving like you would with other units despite them being more durable. Movement wins games, after all. I have been preaching this from the beginning of 10th and even Mordian has proven me correct in his recent tournament AARs, albeit misapplying them as combat Cadians in a melee list. Back them up with proper firepower and they aren't simply a chaff screenline, but something worth mutually supporting.

[@adamcarey6093]

Cadians need a better unit ability. Personally sustained hits on akk of their guns and Melee and the old cannot be wounded in a roll of 1-2 would be cool. Or something. Something to represent their elite status. Not sticky Objectives…. They need a cool shock trooper ability to show they kick butt.

[@blecao]

karsking also have scout but they killed them in the last points update

[@mpbros207]

0:26 stand on what? The planet blew up, but not Krieg or Catachan!

[@badrabbit9703]

Oi mordian, you forgot scions. They're battleline too. I am surprised at you sah!

[@galenchaves9783]

Which is the difference between cadian shock troopers and regular infantry? The models looks almost the same (I'm new on warhammer game)

[@2edBT]

Hi Im new to playing guard and i used the cadian infantry box as an infantry squad with a heavy weapons team attached, but i cant find base sizes for the heavy weapons team. I dont know if its the same as the regular cadian heavy weapons team, 50mm or something else.

[@elgurkus6885]

Catachan are fast and cheap Infantry squads can take heavy weapons Cadians Krieg are durable and can actually deal damage sometimes

[@paulclifton9488]

Your comment on OC for RR is the wrong way around - yes Catachan will lose 2 OC when they lose a model, but they start with 20 OC vs 5 OC of RRs. I love RRs (currently taking 30) and love Catachan - but Catachans main strength over RRs (aside from breachable) is their OC. Plus you can often get 3-4 Catachan on the lip of an objective behind obscuring - you will only manage that with 1 RR. That's a difference of 7 hidden OC.

[@King_Crawdad]

i feel like if you gave cadians assault they would be really good

[@irwedge]

Kitten toes!!!!!

[@Cobra_9431]

What were those gas mask Catalans? Printed?

[@eyohboy455]

Cadiansss

[@stevid8193]

Obviously Praetorian Guard - therefore Infantry Squad.

[@carstenjermei9060]

Where can i find the discord link ? :)

[@thanos-b7e]

Scions?

[@LB-yg2br]

Watching this video at 2x Wish there was a 2.25-2.5x option

[@basecode8]

Clearly, the best battle line Cadians are more battle line Cadians!

[@Kobrakai392]

But if you add krieg medic, you'll lose a plasma?

[@MrRay568]

You lose the Vox if you add plasma

[@Kobrakai392]

@@MrRay568 that's what I mean. MG discussed having all the special weapons but then having a medi pack to keep the special weapons firing. I'll try time stamp it.

[@Kobrakai392]

@17:15

[@4TheLion]

And Catachans SUCK. I ran them with Stracken, and they taken out round 2. They got DESTROYED by 6 Aggressors

[@alanrickett2537]

Rattling would like a word Mr MG

[@michaelmcgreevy8969]

Cadia for the win. I would like to pick up DCC for Cadia Pioneer/ Engineer. Yet I love my Cadia.

[@thanos-b7e]

Lol the jungle fighters are the best do you lose often.

[@Crunch2327]

Did you miss Death Rider Sqn?

[@brodalorian3493]

That's neither battle line, nor infantry

[@Crunch2327]

​@@brodalorian3493nor are rough riders.

[@eyohboy455]

LOL catachans first

[@SquidFisT44]

🦑🦑🐙🐙🐙👍🤙

[@kodansha0]

Lemme save you 30 minutes, its Catachan. Use Catachans in chimera's, that's a cheap, tough, overwatch unit that can hold objectives for a turn or two while your tougher units catch up. Use a a single infantry squad with a mortar and Creed for fields of fire. Cadians are a meme and DKoK don't do enough damage to warrant their cost, just use scions.

[@ericsmith5770]

The answer is Ventrillian Nobles

[@zedirich7]

Is it me? or new recruit? or a rules change? I can't have special weapons in 20 man squads.

[@THQMAS]

Best battle line are scions

[@janehrahan5116]

I like regular infantry. The heavy weapons add up. Lascannons are some real weapons.