Mordor Heroes Tier List - Gollum's Gamers Podcast Episode 9 | MESBG

[@coreygraves263]

Hey guys, first video ive watched, goodstuff! Looked you up after the guest appearance on Into the West. I just wanted to comment on the Muzgur over Mouth debate haha I have yet to use Muzgur but even if you take the Mouth on foot at 70 points The mouth has, +1 F, +1D, +1C, march, elven weapon, Terror, hero of valor and a 3+ transfix compared to 4+ Where muzgur has Defence and a spear over him. Unless im missing something i think its mouth hands down :p Cheers

[@GollumGamers]

Thanks very much mate! So the Mouth vs Muzgur debate has raged on endlessly since this episode haha - I think I do now agree though that the Mouth generally speaking is the better option. With that said though Muzgur also has Wither on a 3+ which can be really effective, and also the ability to regain a point of Will for each model he kills - which can make him really great casting wise if you can get him killing compared to the Mouth!

[@davidfarmer577]

Corrections list: Knight of Umber works as Ash described

[@davidfarmer577]

Tainted in Dog: criminal opinion

[@GollumGamers]

@@davidfarmer577 Our opinions can be sus 😁

[@davidfarmer577]

@@GollumGamers generally pretty good, errors as I see them: Kardush: should be top of silly nervous (pretty much exactly on the same level as gorbag and guritz) The Tainted: should be top of nervous, 4th best wraith profile after WK/SL/chud wraith Dwimmerlaik: man city tier, genuine trash (probably between the KoU and beytrayer) Dark Marshall and undying should be top of nervous, just behind the tainted. Razgush should be below gothmog, and muzgur should be below the mouth (this is because the MoS is an important budget hero of valour, I actually think muzgur is a good profile), also hot take but the black guard drummer should be bottom.

[@davidfarmer577]

Also you guys are over rating the great beast, it's a gimmick

[@lutzeichmeyer9338]

Very good list! The only bits I don't really get are the shadow lord in lemon and gothmog and razgush in silly nervous. Razgush sucks because you always ally in the spooder queen instead and I just don't see why you would evrr take gothmog over 2 of the named capitans or (3 capitains on warg). I think the shadow lord is super overrated because he can never really save the amount of models equal to his cost, and just taking a budget wraith + a warband of stuff just seems so much better to me. And if you also take a drummer, your opponent will probably only get 3 rounds of shooting on you anyway. I think shadow lord goes at the top of silly nervous

[@GollumGamers]

Valid points! I think it's just that the SL bringing blinding light to evil armies can be really important in some lists, while also getting a decent wraith profile to pair with the WK - budgets wraiths are a really great alternative though!

[@OGEETOMO]

Khamul = Belekor of Mordor IMO/ Marshel is like do I want to give elf players a kick in the dick. I've thought about the merits of taking Razgush + Dark Marshel just to piss off elf players before, no need for a strike on the dark marshla vs having Kahmul l if Razgush means you can fly a bat into the guy and you are fighting 6 vs all these fight 5 troops you can just hurl their lines and gain advantage with 12-inch banner can't wait to get him in the mail and test this out. And Adamn just mentioned this LOL. Shagrat: With all the casters running around I would rather double down on Shagrat with X2 wraiths as Adam said, try to stop Shagrat with your little casters when they get their will sapped, I'd rather have Shagrat pressuring them and threatening blood and glory. Actually, Adam sounds like he's tried all my favourite Mordor builds.

[@GollumGamers]

Yep Adam is definitely very experienced with different sort of Mordor builds, also loves a Fel Beast - meanwhile Ash is only familiar with one particular build 🤣 As an fyi the Dark Marshall's banner is 6 not 12! 😁