More Forgotten Warbirds of the Early Jet Age

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[@mlw971]

Yyyyyyyyy____

[@mlw971]

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[@finscreenname]

Grum-man

[@ABetterWeapon]

It's not Grueman, it's Grumman

[@norfolkbyrd]

Thank you for verbalizing the section headers. Extremely helpful for people like myself who watch/listen to these videos will performing other tasks and not always watching the screen.

[@theBlankScroll]

Thiiiiiiis

[@terryenby2304]

And people who can’t read English, have visual impairments or have a migraine or whatever. Simon is remarkably accessible for me as a disabled person (with hearing processing issues amongst others). I am always disappointed when videos have bad CCs as it literally means a video is pointless for me to watch :( But SO happy when I found out Casual Criminalist would be on YT too with subtitles!! 🎉

[@BigGahmBoss]

Hear, hear!

[@otacon5648]

This

[@kitbag9033]

Get the feeling you've been at the mulled wine this week Simon; freighter for fighter, Dock for deck, torque for thrust. I couldn't stop giggling.

[@TheRealRedRooster]

Yeah, rushing to get all those videos out has QC seriously lacking...

[@vic5015]

Ah, you noticed that too? Also it's "Mach", *not* "Mack".

[@VikingTeddy]

Also Cougar being the first jet to break the sound barrier. I can forgive him, it's what happens when you don't actually know anything about a subject and are just given a script to read :).

[@ABetterWeapon]

What about Grueman for Grumman

[@antoniogarridoanton650]

2000 pounds to 450 kilos. also a mistake

[@Otokichi786]

0:42 "The Grumman F9F was a freighter!?" How many tons of cargo could it carry? Simon, you have earned another "Dark Skies" medal: The Nickel plated Bazooka with "Dingaling tassels." Keep this up, and your name is "Meyer.";)

[@WAL_DC-6B]

I remember as a kid in the early 1960s standing alongside Willow Rd. on the north side of Glenview Naval Air Station at Glenview, IL and watching the all-white with orange trim Grumman F9F8-T Cougar trainers doing practice landings and takeoffs.

[@rooseveltbrentwood9654]

Hah, that’s where my dad saw his first bong. Said one of the Navy guys brought it back with him.

[@mr88cet]

Hey Simon, my dad worked for Grumman, on the Apollo LM. He always pronounced the company name’s first syllable like that of the word “grumble.” That is, not like “groom.”

[@j0eblden342]

please pease please cover the englidh electric lightnig, its such a cool and unique jet.

[@j0eblden342]

*english, oops

[@rooseveltbrentwood9654]

@@j0eblden342 you know you can edit your original post?

[@ignitionfrn2223]

0:35 - Chapter 1 - Grumman F9 cougar 4:05 - Chapter 1.1 - Flexible deck testing 5:35 - Chapter 1.2 - Deployment 6:55 - Mid roll ads 8:10 - Chapter 2 - FJ 2 / FJ 3 Fury 10:00 - Chapter 2.1 - Development 11:40 - Chapter 2.2 - Victims of the times 12:35 - Chapter 3 - Saunders roe sr 53 14:25 - Chapter 3.1 - Proposal & development 18:10 - Chapter 3.2 - Cancellation

[@The_Lone_Wolf]

Thank you Sir, I am military warbird history guy and thank you for using both kilograms, kilometers and pounds and miles per hour, makes the video much more immersive and interesting.

[@simonrigg8391]

The Cougar wasn't the first jet to break the sound barrier, that was the XP-86 in 26 April 1948 (officially), also in a dive.

[@jb6027]

...which was several years before the first Cougar ever flew.

[@klardfarkus3891]

If you don’t limit it to deployed aircraft. Experimental aircraft are a diferent category.

[@bradenr867]

Umm no. officially the bell X-1 Glamorous Glennis was the first to break the sound barrier piloted by Charles E “Chuck” Yeager on October 14, 1947

[@TheQuickSilver101]

I can't explain why, but I love these early jets. Thanks for this and please keep these videos coming!

[@jordanvali]

Happy holidays everyone!

[@vincedibona4687]

Well done sirrah. You got me to watch the first video first. Now on to this one! *_harumphs in grudging respect_*

[@MargoMB19]

I was never the least bit interested in war planes or learning details about planes in general, until I started watching Simon's videos. Now I can't get enough.

[@johnhill6673]

I had a couple of plastic F-9 Cougar toys when I was little.

[@garyneilson1833]

Simon if you want to look at another unusual aircraft try the Hunting H.126 experimental aircraft. It was designed to have very low speed characteristics and had a stall speed of 26mph. It is also on display at Cosford

[@tedjones3955]

Thank you Simon. A very Merry Christmas to you and yours. And a better year in 2022.

[@bradwatson2085]

The ole Freighter/interceptor aircraft.

[@scottstewart5784]

Yup. You know what they always say - "Slinging missiles by Day, Hauling freight by Night"

[@rooseveltbrentwood9654]

Hey they successfully launched a ballistic missile from a cargo aircraft, I’m sure somebody’s done a study on loading a 747 full of long range radar guided missiles.

[@alexamg6675]

You should do one on the Avro Arrow !

[@timerover4633]

It would be interesting to see you do one on the Saunders Roe flying boat fighter, the SR.A/1.

[@Goldie644]

First I've heard the Cougar was a "freighter" 😜😜 Also jet thrust is measured in lbs, not lb.ft, which is a measurement of torque

[@WayneKitching]

Yes. Lbs f is pound force not pound feet.

[@paspax]

@@WayneKitching ... Foot pounds. Torque.

[@owenshebbeare2999]

Or, in the rest of the world, Newton-metres, Nm.

[@joshuagathright670]

@@paspax Wrong. As somebody who works in the Aviation Maintenance industry, Wayne is correct.

[@paspax]

@@joshuagathright670 .. LOL. Have you looked at a torque wrench lately?

[@WayneKitching]

Freighter/interceptor? Fighter/interceptor makes a lot more sense.

[@owenshebbeare2999]

Likely the script is wrong. Blame the ignorant American scriptwriters and editors. Narrators read sic erat scriptum, exactly as written.

[@steveatbuccscoin336]

Love to see one on the Buccaneer and Hunter aircraft as I worked on both when in RAF in the late 70's and 80's. Steve

[@VicariousAdventurer]

F9 Is my new trivia answer for a supersonic radial jet. Great job!

[@VicariousAdventurer]

Great job by Grumman to develop a jet light and aerodynamic to do this with a Nene, (essentially) and STILL be robust enough to land on a carrier. More scary was that it was preferred to the NA F2 with more power (and weight)

[@brandonb3279]

"Dry Thrust" _Oh my_ I don't believe I've heard that term before. It's now forever linked with Cougars in my mind....

[@fanstfs7661]

Early jet age was phenomenal .. lots of new models and inventions..something like a race

[@johnweems4586]

I recently visited San Diego and got to tour the USS Midway museum ship. There was an F3 Fury aboard I'd had no idea that the F86 had ever been navalised to serve on a carrier. So getting to see this video was nice!

[@egyeneskifli7808]

If you talk about the FJ-2/3 Fury, you should talk about the original FJ Fury as well. Just because the F-86 is based on that aircraft. This is why the Sabre's adoptation to carriers were so easy.

[@sureshot8399]

Apart from the fuselage being shorter and less slender, the Saunders-Roe SR53 is a bit of a dead ringer for the F104 Starfighter in profile......or rather the other way around as the SR53 came first.......I wonder if there was cooperation or espionage.

[@The_TD5_Discovery]

Simon. Have a look at the Soviet “Skval” torpedo. It’s a rocket propelled torpedo which uses supercavitation with hot steam to make it travel up to 200Kts.

[@mkbarber65]

Interesting how the AV Roe jet looked strikingly similar to the Avro Arrow

[@jasoncoetzeeadadjjzjdatune9617]

At first I found your videos amusing, then I started liking them now I straight up love this stuff

[@TommygunNG]

I LOVE the F9F Panther! Solid and dependable, one shot down four Russian-piloted MiG15s in Korea in an amazing dogfight. And it's just a fine-looking aircraft.

[@WayneKitching]

I had watched a video about those MiG kills a few days ago on Ward Carroll's channel.

[@twocvbloke]

"Remember the intro on the last video?" - Nope, my memory isn't capable of remembering intros... :P

[@kenhelmers2603]

Interesting jets, thanks Simon and co. :)

[@ratbert69uk]

Flexible DECK testing!

[@martynraveybracey7202]

Lubricated rubber DeCKs

[@harryspeakup8452]

Jet thrust is not measured in pounds feet (lb/ft): that is a measure of twisting force, or torque. Thrust comes in pounds of direct linear force (lb f), though all you have to say really is pounds or kilograms

[@owenshebbeare2999]

Blame the ignorant American researchers, scriptwriters and editors.

[@jonmarc8078]

Always heard it was GRUM in instead of GREW min… Sorry Si to keep jumpin’ on you for your infamous mispronunciations, still love 💕 you and our long forgotten Danny too !

[@swampyftw555]

Haven’t been this early in a while

[@dereksollows9783]

I love your videos. Please advise your writer that "pound-feet" is a measurement unit for torque, not thrust. Jet and rocket thrust is measured in pounds. Other than that, please convey my appreciation for that persons fine research.

[@Williestyle-RobotechxMacross-x]

trust me ya'll, Simon has a video about it ... whatever you might think of on earth and beyond. ☺ The best forgotten military aeroplane is the Navy's Vigilante ( after the now retired F - 14 "Tomcat' ). ☺ Thanks everybody and MAGELLAN tv

[@kevinmccarthy8746]

FUNNY, Funny person. I love the British humor. Your prodigal son the USA.

[@Boppinabe]

Navy pre-1962 designations for aircraft are alphanumeric indicating Mission, Model in sequence from Producer, and Producer, followed by a hyphenated number for different submodels . F9F=Fighter #9 from Grumman(Grumman was coded 'F' in the US Navy). F2J=Fighter #2 from North American(N American was 'J') Yes. The N American B-25 was PBJ(Patrol Bomber#1 from N American).

[@treed5953]

Not JUST to annoy Simon, but the creation of National Geographic, and the people involved, would be very interesting

[@javiermoya2801]

I highly recommend the Tupolev TU 22 supersonic bomber that preceeded the TU 160 Black Jack

[@spacepeanut8993]

"Burn fuel before landing" The shear wired safety switch labeled "Fuel Dump" begs to differ.

[@richardferg6455]

Bachem natter never used operationally. Also that rocket plane didn't use guns but shot a salvo of unguided rockets.

[@tkskagen]

Wasn't the "Cougar" the transition to the "Voo Doo"? Or the other way around...

[@WAL_DC-6B]

Perhaps you're thinking of the McDonnell XF-88 Voodoo which led to the McDonnell F-101 Voodoo.

[@shaunoleary9774]

I would love to see a video about the "Peking to Paris" race in the early 20th century.

[@canuck600A]

Nothing on the He 178, Gloster E28/39, Bell X-59A, Gloster Meteor, Messerschmitt Me 262? Those were true early jet aircraft.

[@ljphoenix4341]

Simon, you should cover New Zealand's tallest building here on Sideprojects, The Skytower! Or maybe the most impressive Railway engineering in New Zealand? The rail network in NZ has a fascinating history.

[@tigercs1]

Bob Semple tank if the info is plentiful enough to make a video

[@ljphoenix4341]

@@tigercs1 yes! That'd be a really cool Sideprojects video!

[@rebeccahamner8795]

Blaze on!

[@archstanton6102]

Looking for a Cougar joke here

[@boris2342]

War is the mother of inventions

[@SRW_]

You COULD watch the story of santa. OR you could watch: MACHINES OF WAR!!

[@Scott11078]

The F-86 Saber was actually an improved land based version of the FJ-1 Fury. Soooo if it wasn't for the Navy there wouldn't be an F-86..

[@PaulMcElligott]

What’s this company called “Grooman?” I’ve heard of “Grumman” (rhymes with “gum” not “groom”).

[@owenshebbeare2999]

Americans! Suck it up, your ways are not universal.

[@PaulMcElligott]

@@owenshebbeare2999 Uh, so correctly pronouncing the name of an *American* company is cultural imperialism? Sure…

[@thejdmguru621]

Hey, ever since I was a kid, I’ve always known it being pronounced Gr(oo)man

[@havokvladimirovichstalinov]

I guess if you count ammo as cargo, it *could* be a freighter lol

[@EAWanderer]

Lovely!! 👍🤩🙂🙂

[@milksheihk]

Thrust isn't measured in Pound/feet, just pounds, foot/pound is a torque measurement.

[@Bert4ceasar]

Did Simon already do an item about the f6 BE Lightning?

[@genEricSVG]

Simon could make videos about all of the other videos he's releasing that day or week ... like one of those list videos with cliffnotes / short summaries with links in the description or something

[@ericknutson8679]

I like it when surrounded by cougars

[@Operator8282]

4:53 If that was the case, I can see a legitimate reason for the navy to carry large ammounts of Astroglide for a reason Not for the sailors themselves...

[@keithdurose7057]

The Bachum only had rocket armament. No guns. Named Natter. The ME 163 did have 2x30mm cannons.

[@edletain385]

For the Fury, the better choice for a foreign engine was the Canadian Avro Canada

[@jayyydizzzle]

6:17 nice

[@Jedi.Toby.M]

The past: no, let's remove the wheels and just crash on the deck...

[@bronsonstrange3827]

Hey, Simon. Just wanted to point out/inquire on something you said early in the video: You say that the American swept-wing technology lagged behind the Soviets, but the F-86 first flew on October 1st 1947, just a few months before the MiG-15 completed it's first flight. So from my perspective America was at the very least neck-and-neck with the Soviets. If there are any facts that do indicate that America was behind in swept-wing technology, I would be interested to learn about them.

[@whyjnot420]

6:32 Would that not be "feather caught in its teeth"?

[@richwright9184]

One small comment to all your great videos. It's pounds force of thrust lbf, not pounds feet lb.ft

[@scythebergon418]

Simon will one day have as much content as migelenin

[@rooseveltbrentwood9654]

Magellan?

[@RReese08]

Grumman is pronounced with a soft u, as in "gr-uh-mman." Successor company Northrop-Grumman has several facilities dotting the part of Los Angeles where I live, so the name is as familiar as McDonald's or Burger King. The only thing is, unlike other local aerospace companies in town here, no way is anybody allowed to get close to any Northrop-Grumman location. Allegedly. *cough, cough B-21 Raider stealth bomber* which deserves to be featured in a future episode of Sideprojects or Megaprojects.

[@JohnJohn-hd1pc]

And Bristol Siddeley is pronounced "Bristol Siddly" 🙂

[@Axonteer]

Freighter / interceptor... ... lawl :D

[@TheManFrayBentos]

Jet thrust is not expressed in pound-feet, just pounds.

[@biocybernaught3512]

Comercial ends at 8:07

[@AtheistOrphan]

Thanks.👍

[@vic5015]

Poor visibility is a *very* bad trait for carrier-based aircraft to have. Carrier landings are said to be tricky enough as it is. And night landings that much harder.

[@dejapoo5508]

For Thrust

[@christophercisternino832]

Saber and super saber video?

[@SteffonDudley]

None of these are "Warbirds." That term describes high performance prop monoplane fighters.

[@RinrvUSA]

What's up dock?

[@richaddulieu1967]

The Americans stoll the moving tail plane and used it on the chuck jaegar broke mac 1 the nerve of them yanks

[@WEPayne]

Lbf for jet engines IS NOT "pound-feet" it is "pound force"

[@michellepowell1956]

Freighter? not a fighter?

[@mbr5742]

How stupid was the Bachem "Natter"? Well, Erik Brown refused to fly it...

[@markrowland1366]

Who were Grim?

[@HMXDave]

Thrust is in pounds. Torque is in pound.feet.

[@dangriggs3931]

Hey my mum's not a carrier based strike aircraft

[@jamesdavid5352]

Bit ropey TBH, editing wasn't great and whoever wrote the script doesn't know their stuff. The equivalent of buying the big picture book of jet fighters as opposed to anything more in depth.

[@michaelpipkin9942]

Can you please do the history of The Thunderbirds??????? It's a great story most people don't know about.

[@AtheistOrphan]

And Stingray!

[@rickrudd]

Heres a really cool one that literally no one knows: the A-5 Vigilante. Huge and carrier based - looked beyond its time, but had a short life.

[@tkskagen]

My "Father-in-law" was present on the USS CORAL SEA in Vietnam to accept this Jet Aircraft, but this CRASHED on the deck alot...

[@hankblaster]

factboy used to be good at this

[@jimsnee1878]

pound-feet of thrust? wtf is that?

[@angelarch5352]

"Grooman" ==> "Gr-uh-man"

[@TheEvilCommenter]

I feel like Simon should make another channel just for military weapons. He could even call it something like Military Machines since he likes that alliterative bs.

[@rogaineablar5608]

We Yanks pronounce it Gruhman (like brush), not Grooman.

[@fredlougee2807]

The F9F was the model in which a test pilot had the dubious honor of shooting himself down. It would eventually wind up as the only plane ever shot down by an F9F. Flying from the airport near Grumman's main plant in Bethpage, NY, on Long Island, the pilot was on an evaluation flight for the US Navy which included test firing of the guns. Flying straight and level, he fired a short burst from the guns at an empty patch of the Atlantic. Then he pushed the throttles forward and went into a shallow dive. This was a bad idea. As you probably know, when you fire a gun the bullet begins to slow down the instant it leaves the barrel. So he was accelerating and diving while his bullets were slowing down and dropping. He wound up intersecting his bullet stream a couple of seconds later. Oops. Impacts on the leading surfaces told him he had hit *something*, he thought it was birds, and he started losing power. He managed to make it back to land but was only able to effect a survivable crash just short of the runway. Investigation revealed the cause and he spent the rest of his Navy career as "That guy who shot himself down".

[@WAL_DC-6B]

That was a Grumman F11F Tiger that shot itself down.

[@fredlougee2807]

@@WAL_DC-6B Ah. right. Thanks for the correction.

[@thepeff]

That's a weird name. What do aircraft have to do with sex-positive older women?

[@melangellatc1718]

F4D Skyray anyone?????