More input lag tests: Switch Pro, DS4 v1, ... - Rocket Science #21

[@RocketScience]

I'm not dead! I just haven't had internet at home for over a month. It's not the first time a video is delayed but it's a bit different this time. Parents told me to move out, so I was busy searching for something, then moving, etc. On top of that, I went back and forth many times on different attempts to properly test NVIDIA ultra-low latency, but there was always a major problem that could invalidate the real-world relevance of the measured data. That's why at some point, I decided to cut it. I'm uploading this from my uni wifi so some things (subtitles, spreadsheet) will be updated at a later date.

[@kujasan]

internet issues are the most german thing you ever featured in this channel ;) on this topic: i always wonder how big of an issue internet connections really are. I'm also from a third world internet country (germany also) and my 50/50s seem to be 20/80s all the time. is that a thing? is it quantifiable (more specific than ping=bad)? what are your thoughts on this?

[@mensb1936]

big boy grown up time 😤

[@dillon3955]

Disappointed to not see the scuf here as its one of the most mentioned high end controllers. Glad i watched all the way through so i know to be disappointed in scuf for being unwilling to provide you with a controller. Maybe you dont want to do this, or did and i missed it, but next time ask in you discord and i gladly would have sent you my scuf for testing. Besides all that, youre an amazing content creator and doing a massive service to the community and i thank you for all your hard work.

[@tBeNz0]

@@dillon3955 I agree with this. Havent finished vid yet, but would like to add the Astro Controller at Best Buy for 200$ if it's not in this vid. I Think it's the CT40 or something.

[@Dan-lu7vi]

I just emailed you a new mechanic

[@user-zw5pd3jq6y]

Just watched today, and I have exactly experienced this double digit input lag when using import config instead of legacy, but I never knew the exact reason. Thank you for this amazing explanation.

[@rr00mm111]

So good to see you back. What a great video!

[@aRandomGoat]

really like the content man, keep up the good work !

[@ericchristiansen4407]

Please include Xbox Elite (Series 2) wired and bluetooth :)

[@elitesniper046]

Eric Christiansen yeah I’m very curious about that since I just got one

[@DannyxZombie]

+1

[@benjamindupuy6557]

I would love it, I bought it yesterday and you can feel the lags in comparaison with ps4. So i'll send it back

[@raphaelmantion5212]

Elite s2 has horrible stick drift

[@shineynitelite]

Garbage

[@ersatzersatz6677]

I really wish I had money to give you. You are amazing. Thank you so much for these videos and the information.

[@idorafael5715]

Your hard work is much appreciated!

[@vzangel]

Nice work! I'm curious to see how the 8Bitdo SN30 Pro+ performs. Please test it if you can.

[@pcm2fchris]

Just picked up the SN30 Pro and Mega Man 11 is nearly unplayable with it. Wondering if anyone else has had similar problems? Latency makes platforming in later stages where timing is essential almost impossible. The controller is beautiful and well made and I want to love it but the latency makes that impossible.

[@sogetsu60]

@@pcm2fchris It is awful in terms of latency. Way worse than a cheap 15 euros/dollars controller i had. In my country it costs as much as a DS4 and i bought it for versatility since i needed one for pc/switch/android and wired/bluetooth makes no difference.

[@brendandh3023]

Halfway ! We missed u so much 🖤

[@Epsomgwtfbbq]

I'd be really interested if there's any difference between the Xbone controllers and the Xbone elite controllers - guessing there's not, but still

[@etnevel.naitzsirk]

I'd say, they didn't change anything in the PCB, it probably has only some firmware upgrades to support the extra buttons and the layout changes. But I don't own one, so maybe I'm wrong, however it's Microsoft, which makes me think that the only question they had when they released the Elite: "how to make more money without any extra effort?" On the other hand, MAYBE they improved something since hardware-wise they are one of the bests in the industry. For example they have very high quality mice and keyboards. I think, back in the days, Microsoft was the only one who thought about keyboard ergonomics, when the MS Natural Keyboard has been released. It looked weird, but it was different made for comfortable use, which was especially important for long hours of office work. I think there is a brand new variant, with dedicated MS Office and emoji keys. They also have great mice for creatives too. With this is mind, there might be the case that something got improved, but comfort and usability is different than tweaking some numbers.

[@funnysticks]

Me to!

[@kennethcorbin8300]

That's literally was I was hoping was here lol

[@MILSIM530]

Xbox is also 2 millisecond minimum but the maximum is 12+ millisecond but all controllers average is 8 millisecond no matter what this guy's tell you

[@Tailslol]

hello, i have a question there is the xbox one S controller it receive regular update for input lag there is an app in the store for that can you test it? in bluetooth,2.4ghz (usb key) and wired? thx you..

[@freddiejames878]

You remind me of a dog in the wholesome sense that this community doesn’t deserve you

[@bobbytheo]

This is the video I've been waiting for!

[@salazarbaltimo2187]

Can you please test out the Gulikit NS08 controller for input lag. No test so far the more I research about it. I bought a fake PS4 controller by accident because a majority of the sellers often lie about it. Kind of traumatized me from buying them.

[@SniperNinja115]

Great video and data/info. in it, thank you for making/sharing this, brother, much love, keep it up, take care!:))🖤🖤..

[@carlosvelazquez7399]

Hello, could you please review the razer raiju ps4 and the razer raiju ultimate? I am very interested in knowing the latency of both of this controllers since I have been trying to contact razer for that matter bt havent got any good response

[@antonymota1814]

Impressive video as always

[@AlexStLouis-gq8kp]

Are you able to test on the Nintendo switch? Seeing some of its controllers, and converters like the 'Brook XONE SE' going head to head could be interesting.

[@Rayy14]

Finally you're back!

[@Raiden1]

@Rocket Science could you please do a test to see if input is affected by bakkesmod? I've asked some pros such as Gyro, Jacob, and Lionsblaze and they said they do feel a difference. Is there any way to check if bakkesmod is affecting deadzone shape or sensitivity?

[@Saturn2888]

Have you gotten a hold of DS4 wireless adapters for PC? I've heard they're supposed to provide lower latency and own 4 myself. I've also noticed inconsistent lag issues with more than 2 DS4s in wireless mode with either Bluetooth or the wireless adapter. On the other hand, both Xbox 1 and 360 wireless controllers never experienced this issue using the official adapters.

[@RocketScience]

No, I haven't personally invested in the official Sony dongles but since Sony uses the regular Bluetooth technology the only way that the adapters could be better is if all other manufacturers are incapable of creating good ones. It's not true that the Xbox controllers with the official adapters didn't experience any more inconsistencies wireless. The standard deviation over wired is just so high that the number works out to be the same but over wired there is never a very high outlier while on wireless there were a few 10ms+ (higher than average) results. I've shown more details of this in ep17. The only device that didn't show any of signs of wireless inconsistencies was the Logitech G305, at least none that I can identify as such as the device is wireless only.

[@Saturn2888]

@@RocketScience Thanks for your detailed response! I guess what I mean about Xbox is that the deviations aren't noticeable, but with PS4 on Bluetooth, they are. And they're more apparent the more controllers you have. This is anecdotal though. I have a bunch of controllers and adapters and am surprised to see so much variance. Just makes me wanna go back to wired.

[@pooshpoosh9232]

@@RocketScience which 3 bluetooth dongles did you use? Wonderful content btw, subbed, you should do videos about other games as well

[@golhiathmaster4811]

awesome works as always thanks for your services to the rocket league community

[@Sheamu5]

Just what I needed, my ds4's x button is worn out, and I've replaced the joysticks once. If like to see a scuff tested but I'll buy myself one first.

[@GrubKiller436]

Hello Rocket Science. Can you tell me what dongle you use to get those DualShock 4 bluetooth results? I don't want to buy a bluetooth dongle for my PC and be thinking the whole time that my input lag and consistency is good if my dongle is different or anything like that. Just wanting to get the best bluetooth connection.

[@funnysticks]

I would also love to know this. If you find any answers let me know!

[@funnysticks]

@Hallucinogenichusky thanks!

[@funnysticks]

@Hallucinogenichusky can you link the bluetooth dongle that you use? Thanks

[@bullfroggg8605]

Nice data, thanks for the video! On a similar topic, do u happen to know if using NVIDIA FreeStyle or ReShade in Rocket League will result in increased input lag? I can't live without the sharpness e clarity filters, lol

[@BangSkeeet]

THIS X1000000000

[@qwopp]

About your question of over clocking controllers, using ds4windows you can change the polling rate in your controller up to 1000hz.

[@Todestuete]

Do you have a source with maybe a test checking if it works as intended? Considering the DS4 is by far the most popular RL controller (and mine :D), please HalfwayDead, TEST. Anyways, good call.

[@theskankingpigeon965]

How do you do it in ds4windows? I can't see the option.

[@RocketScience]

Pretty sure that option is not available for wired use. It's only to limit polling rate in wireless. Unless they changed something.

[@qwopp]

Rocket Science Sorry you’re right I just use Bluetooth which is why it shows up for me.

[@CookieMonster-we1in]

Can you please come back and do an input lag on the flydigi controllers, gamesir controllers and bigwonwon controllers. Also if the nvidia input lag off still better than turning it on?

[@mitchtherevolution]

Does the Xbox Elite controller have the same input speeds as the standard Xbox controller? Edit: The best controller for Rocket League will undoubtedly be one with input triggers/buttons on the back grips. Binding boost and slide is extremely powerful and allows more precise input. Getting one of these is the first thing I recommend to someone who wants a quick edge in the game. I started using these with the Steam controller, but the Xbox elite feels a bit more responsive. Although it's surprisingly more uncomfortable than I expected after extended use.

[@eja35oz]

scuf vantage 2 wired/wireless vs ds4 would be great to know? Many people use sucf vantage

[@joshuahardy6624]

Scuff claims 1ms wired response, but I have seen conflicting reports about wether this is true or not, some say that because the V2 uses a different board than the ds4 (infinity is a modded ds4) that the polling rate numbers dont apply. Would love to see it tested.

[@arvindvjkumar]

Could you do the 8BitDo SN30 Pro+? I've been using it recently as an alternative to DS4 and was kinda curious.

[@pcm2fchris]

I just bought an SN30 and I’ve gotta say Mega Man 11 is nearly unplayable in later stages where timing is essential, due to latency in the controller. Handheld mode is fine (on switch), but docked using SN30+ there is noticeable delay - sadly. The controller is beautifully built tho, and I want to love it, but it does NOT make platforming more satisfying. The opposite. What’s been your experience?

[@arvindvjkumar]

Oh, I’ve just been using it wired on PC. It might be slightly worse, but not crazy. I think the main issue is the analog sticks don’t seem as precise

[@Epsomgwtfbbq]

'Overclocking a controller' sounds like a PurePwnage b-side lmao

[@xzackly7131]

I havent used steam controller config in a looong time. No matter what I tried it was clear the input lag was absolutely unplayable. It had me scratching my head when I was watching your old vid about steam config in your deadzone vid and I couldnt seem to get good latency like you had in the video. I square my deadzone on ps4 by using DS4windows and setting stick sens to 1.4 and the input lag on wired is great, perfectly playable.

[@vperkv6554]

Elite series 2 input lag test please

[@xGEOxSDx]

Considering how the Stratus XL is Wired vs Bluetooth, I wonder how the 2.4Ghz signal is on the Stratus Duo. Also if the same analog and button issues carry over to the Stratus Duo.

[@maezun]

So there’s no difference when using the Xbox One controller wired or wirelessly? I can definitely feel a difference on PC. The wired connection feels considerably more responsive than using the official dongle.

[@immortallix]

The distance of the dongle or any other radio interference might affect latency

[@jflachs331]

Have you tested the DS4 with the official dongle from Sony? Does it make a difference ?

[@avnish00]

Long time no see

[@jamalmahroof3298]

So is the comment regarding the switch controller related to steam config issues? Do the DS4 controllers have issues on steam config?

[@stixnuts7126]

What happened to the Super Latency in the nvidiapanel i promised to check ? #RocetScience

[@RocketScience]

read the sticky. It never made a difference in my tests but I'm not sure of their validity except one at 300 fps

[@enescokeli2129]

we missed you dude

[@mrkirk4944]

If you connect a DS4 to Windows PC, install DS4windows and run it, it measures a DS4, that is connected via a USB cable, at 3.55ms approx - and it's very sensitive, it feels very responsive and certainly doesn't feel like 10ms.

[@RocketScience]

1) DS4Windows cannot and does not measure the input lag. It displays the time since last poll (and misleadingly labels it "input delay"). That is part of the input lag, but it does not account for any lag that happens inside the controllers microchip. 2) "and certainly doesn't feel like 10ms" How do you know what 10 ms feels like? Do you have a controller that you know has 10 ms so you can compare it to that? Even then, humans aren't the best at judging these kinds of things because something like a higher sensitivity will also make it feel more responsive without changing the input lag. 10 ms will also likely feel responsive because 10 ms is merely 1/100th of a second. It is not a bad result at all. For esports, players are looking for every ms advantage they can get, but for a responsive feeling even a 20 ms controller could work if the rest of the system is optimized. After all, the controller is not the only source of input lag in a given system. 3) My results are replicated on inputlag.science/controller/results and hci.ur.de/publications/on_the_latency_of_usb-connected_input_devices_2019

[@DarkSansTV]

The problem with steam taking over actions is that there is an unusually gigantic amount of delay added on and the calculation rate of steam is too slow to use macros on or have a turbo with, (Trust me, I have a turbo controller) what you need to do is find a controller layout that only maps the buttons and then go into RL and map the buttons yourself, the one I use is just called "square left joystick" and it's great for preventing the controller mapper from appearing when I wanna remap my controls. Also, back to the delay, I can't really play with steams control because the lowered polling rate makes it hard to perform certain actions, an example would be half flipping, or using a speed flip to get back to net or turning around after a failed play.

[@kamil950]

Do you have data for wireless input drops on different controllers? Is it worth it to play wired (if it is still quite comfortable) to prevent input drops? Are they very rare or more often? Why Xbox One Controller standard deviation (average/mean consistency?) in previous test was seperate for wired and wireless/Bluetooth (BT) but in this new video it is together? Is it still true that Xbox One Controller wireless/BT has slightly better average consistency but the worst case wireless deviations are much worse than wired? And average input lag for wired and wireless/BT Xbox One Controller is the same or similar? (I don't understand difference between average input lag and average consistency so I could wrote some mistakes. :)) What version of Microsoft Wireless Adapter (it is not Bluetooth but something similar to Wi-fi if I'm not mistaken) did you use - old and bigger or newer and smaller?

[@RocketScience]

1) Input drops just means that they arrive later, not that they don't get recognized at all. It's physically nearly impossible to press a button for such a short amount that the entire input is dropped. all the raw data is in the spreadsheet in the video description. Standard deviation is listed everywhere and statistical analysis can be done on the raw data 2) I just put them together because I deemed the difference not really relevant. The spreadsheet is always more thorough and the Xbox one data hasn't changed 3) not sure, whatever I said in the previous video hasn't changed. 4) the big one but it came with the newest version of the controller.

[@Anteksanteri]

I actually noticed how bad the native steam configuration felt. Also, it was buggy as all hell and prevented you from using air roll left and right.

[@thomasw813]

Is there a 2021 update to this Steam controller config issue? Is the lag still so bad?

[@rob_i208]

Would enjoy a comparison of the CoolerMaster MK850 to the Wooting One/Two/Lekker

[@gioelegentile]

Massive work as always, thanks. I have some questions, I hope you can answer. 1) I'm using a DS4 v2 mostly on bluetooth, with DS4Windows and your steam configuration settings with left-stick squared. If I want to move all the configuration on DS4Windows, including dead-zones, shapes, etc, do I have to set the steam configuration on that "Legacy" one (which I assume it's there only to allow the non-native configuration)? Can you tell me how to setup DS4Windows perfectly as your steam configuration settings? 2) When the battery dies and I plug the cable in, I feel something is really different. It's not just a bigger input lag, but also something different with dead-zones and pressure sentivity. I found my-self double jumping a lot instead of dodging, or even missing the second jump. How's that? It loads a different steam configuration when I plug the cable? That's why I would want to move all the configuration on DS4Windows and keep the steam config dry. 3) In steam configuration there are dead-zones settings. How do these interact with the in-game ones? Does the game just load the in-game ones or not? Thanks a lot.

[@RocketScience]

DS4Windows does not have deadzone shapes so it's not possible to make identical. But setting the sensitivity to 1.4 will put you at no disadvantage compared to square. Might still take some time to adjust. 2) steam config with wireless ds4 had +3ms of lag which I believe is because it somehow can't keep up with the high update rate. That could have further implications on the feel of gameplay beyond a few ms. 3) Dead zones in steam (legacy) just run on top of RLs dead zone. They're both active but steams work a little different. I believe I talked about that in ep7

[@steytcher]

Hi HalfwayDead, da du deutscher bist, schreib ich einfach deutsch... Hast du zufällig inputlag infos zum Razer Raiju Ultimate, da man den über Kabel und bluetooth verbinden kann würden mich die Unterschiede sehr interessieren :) Lg

[@jacksonhicks1156]

I recently switched from Switch to PC (like this weekend) so this video is what I was looking for. Question though, I really, really like my switch controller, but the only way I can figure to use it is through the steam configuration which has awful latency added, according to the video. Is there any way at all to get around this, or am I just stuck switching to an xbox or DS4 controller?

[@Mil-xb9qg]

I use Switch Pro Controller on PC and have no issues, so try it out! If the switch Pro controller is bad sell it, you can probably buy a brand new ps4 controller with that money.

[@jacksonhicks1156]

@@Mil-xb9qg Do you use drivers? I seem to be occasionally dropping inputs, and I think it's due to the steam thing he was talking about, would really love to get a chance to sort of just sit down with halfway dead and talk it out

[@coldfya6739]

You can try to use DS4Windows, the Switch Pro Controller is supported. No shitty steam needed and alot of customization added!

[@vedanshgarg4552]

Holy Shit !!! That was a nice video. Thoughts on making an updated one with Dual Sense controller as I've ordered one already XD.

[@RocketScience]

it's getting close to done.

[@Solo.101]

I have a question please I'm playing RL without ds4 and the controller works and I have oc it should I use ds4 or im fine?

[@saiyanbarber6806]

How do you connect the DS4 Bluetooth? With a dongle or your computer’s Bluetooth? Thank you !

[@Rayy14]

You can connect it directly to your pc and it'll work

[@aka5]

If your computer already has Bluetooth, you don't need a dongle. Connect it the same as any other Bluetooth device. to put the ps4 controller in pairing mode, hold the PS button and the share button simultaneously for what seems like forever until the light bar flashes quickly

[@1stgr]

Great video! I have a suggestion for a future video: Since f2p I decided to download RL through Epic Store and make a new account play play via that client. The thing is, the controller (DS4) feels different in Epic compared to Steam. I dont know if it's in my head, but I think it is more responsive in Epic (which so far only makes me dodge too early and not get max power...). I would love for you to test this out with your tools. Framerate, graphics are all identical between the clients, but something feels ..."off"... Thanks for a great channel!

[@RpattoYT]

Might be my best opportunity to ask: *DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY DS4v2 WILL NOT CHARGE WHEN USED WITH A PC* _(No matter the charging method)_ *& WHY STEAM OVERRIDES NATIVE CONTROLLER SUPPORT WHEN ON WIRELESS, WITH A DEPLETED BATTERY* Literally spent hours searching the web for a solution and never have I found an answer.

[@RpattoYT]

HEY THUMB THE ABOVE UP IF YOU HAD THIS PROBLEM AND WANT AN ANSWER TOO...

[@chrome1ster]

I've found it to be be finicky about charging with certain cables and connected to certain devices, e.g. a usb hub. You could try a different micro usb cable and/or connect it to a wall charger, which is what I do now.

[@RpattoYT]

@@chrome1ster Tried dozens of cables brands, and even bought the charging hub, nothing works, and I have 3 brand new controllers all with the same issue.

[@TheFP_]

Are you using DS4 windows to connect the DS4 through bluetooth?

[@itsjustelmerr]

I'd like to know as well. I think he is.

[@lukev9335]

Are u gonna do an input lag test for ps5 and series x controllers?

[@allefornication]

Where is the Dual Sense update?

[@flyassqbn]

SOMETHING UPDATED AND NOW I CANT USE MY DS4 CONTROLLER WITHOUT BIG PIC MODE. AND THE INPUT LAG IS INSANE LIKE TRYING TO PLAY THROUGH SAND. EVERYTHING IS CONNECTED AND WORKS BUT IF BIG PIC IS OFF rl DOES NOT GET ANYHTHING FROM MY CONTROL]

[@Cas_]

hey, can you try and connect a wii remote to rl, and show us how to do it with the input lag test with it too?

[@fyfysdfsdyfdsfysdfsd]

This guy doesn't have unlimited money hack xD im quite sure if you donate him one he's gona try though (yes ik it's cheap but look how many things he already had to buy for the video)

[@Dalavine]

I'm sorry wgat??! Bluetooth is faster than wired for DS4??

[@Dalavine]

@ReadingPit1 go watch Rocket Sciences more recent controller video. It is faster than basic wired but by... over clocking like?... wired can be faster.

[@aledabestt]

@@Dalavine is this still happening? (Bluetooth is faster than normal wired)

[@raze0099]

can you do next gen controllers and that eswap pro controller?

[@wi2eckliss329]

What xbox one controller did you use? One one s or one x? As the latter 2 use bluetooth and the original uses a slower wifi. It is important to know as you were very specific with the other controllers. So it is my assumption that you are using xbox one and it is slower then the x. If this is the case please do a video adding the newer xbox model controllers.

[@skum4142]

Omg ive just started looking at controllers as i thought there was something wrong with mine, but it seems like it was the steam overlay... i changed to the Legacy bindings and my movement feels so fluid

[@DeadInsideDave]

TBH Its not the input lag that does me in. its the fact that the sticks themselves break or become so loose , poeopl say the scuff is great because it has no resistence but i find that its the resistence that help u predict how much to move the stick an it makes hard to play.

[@Piercemxpx]

So are scufs and battle beavers using the same Bluetooth chips as original controllers? Or would custom controllers have less input delay? Would love to know

[@RocketScience]

Average input lag doesn't come down to the Bluetooth chip. That rather has an impact on consistency and the maximum distance that you can use the controller from. Just because scufs are made to look like original controllers, it doesn't mean they have anything in common. Unfortunately they are expensive and they didn't even reply to my email when I tried to contact them.

[@Piercemxpx]

Rocket Science I emailed battle beaver asking these questions, I’ll tag you with their response when they get back to me.

[@Tailslol]

hello, i have a question there is the xbox one S controller it receive regular update for input lag there is an app in the store for that can you test it? in bluetooth,2.4ghz (usb key) and wired? thx you..

[@Oldsah]

I'll say this before I watch the video. I had to disable Steam input after using it for two years and it made me feel much faster. If this is not true then the "heavy car bug" is placebo. Aaaaand I was right. Thank you very much for clearing it up! I was thinking whether I should go legacy or stay native inout on a DS4. I'm pretty much used to native now that I've used it for a week. Again thank you for doing these tests!

[@alexavm]

But how do you put your controller into native mode? Just disabling every controller support on big picture controller settings?

[@Oldsah]

@@alexavm library game right click properties disable steam controller supporr

[@alexavm]

@@Oldsah you are referring to "Steam Input Per-Game Setting", aren't you?

[@Oldsah]

@@alexavm yeah.

[@alexavm]

@@Oldsah Ty!

[@Firionhope]

Wow I'm in a tweet you showed, small world! Really interesting video, thanks for the thorough testing! Definitely gunna share it around a bit and keep people informed! Which bluetooth adapter had the best range in your experience? I have the official one but from what I've read it has higher input latency than others at least according to ds4 windows.

[@ValzzakOfficial]

This is weird, i just disabled Steam controller overlay and started using DS4 Windows, then checked the Input Delay using wireless and it was 8ms, then checked it again but this time with the controller wired it shows 4ms. So how are you getting 2ms using wireless?

[@TLEJT]

How did you do the wireless Ds4 v1/v2 tests? Did you use the OEM Sony bluetooth adapter that is like $79? Also any use of Ds4Windows? Thanks!

[@Muffelpfurz]

@Rocket Science Hey Halfway Dead. i have 2 questions. 1. You mentioned that you used 3 different BT Adapter and noticed no difference in input lag, but in the range. Can you tell which of the 3 got the best range? 2. And you talked about different driver programs. I read about that you dont need to download a program like ds4 anymore. Is that true. And if you need to download one, can you recommend any program? I downloaded ds4windows lately but i didnt find a solution to use the "options" button as "start" button like i used to do with the ps3 controller? Thank you for the videos. Keep it up! :)

[@RocketScience]

Logilink had the best range but beyond 3m testing which worked on all of them, I didn't do a precise scientific test, so I didn't want to include a recommendation. You don't need any software but I'd use ds4 windows because it doesn't add any input lag and has some great customization options

[@cesaresp101]

Can you include the Astro c40?

[@hilearn1257]

no mean input lag for ds4 wired? curious cuz it has the lowest input lag consistency, and if i get paddles when im using BT for example, will it increase my input? on paddles itself or whole controller?

[@temurchik9]

Great work

[@DMS_134]

I'm wondering why you didn't test the DS3 on bluetooth, since you had a dongle to test other controllers.

[@echo9082]

Xbox one elite series 2?

[@Fitnessforyou2003]

I keep getting red triangle every 2 games in rocket league. I never had it but it’s happened recently. Every 2 games i get red triangle 5 times so for around 30 secs I’m immobile and unable to play and I’m losing my rank and patience. How do I fix this? It’s so annoying and my ping is fine

[@xXxXENcoreXxXx]

Default car vs customized car !!!!! Please do that.

[@Timo_tvq]

So I have a question that is kinda related to this, but not at the same time. I hope anyone can explain what may be causing it. So im using a ds4 v1 with bluetooth and with ds4windows on my pc. It has always worked great for rocket league with minimal input delay, but in the last few months it got this really weird input lag spikes some days. the input lag randomly spikes up to 10-30 ms for a few seconds and also stays consistent at 5-6ms which also is quite high according to ds4windows(it normally stays between 1-2ms). What is also weird is that it happens inconsistently, so some days I can play just fine, and some days it happens very often the whole day, and i cant seem to fix it, and the next day it might be gone again. the last week it has been happening more often tho. I just think the controller is getting old and worn out. If somebody knows what it can be please let me know.

[@htoofe]

please include xbox series x controller (wired, Bluetooth, usb adapter)

[@jaspuhh.]

Great video!

[@ayehtunohn]

Have you tested Nacon Revolution Pro controllers?

[@christoslazaridis7128]

Pls include xbox elite and elite 2 wired and wirelss!!!

[@06noah]

If you can find a way to test the xbox series x/series s controller and the xbox elite series 2 controller pleaaaaaase do it and thank you for the great content.

[@dereksevcik6595]

Half way dead, can you please test input lag of AMD's Radeon Anti-Lag? Also if you could test FreeSync that would be fantastic! All you need is an AMD gpu, which hopefully you have one :)

[@campersruincod6134]

Derek Sevcik Battle(none)sense already tested it. Check out his channel.

[@dereksevcik6595]

@@campersruincod6134 so I shouldnt have it on if my GPU is not the limiting factor. Cool!

[@Darktron]

How about 2.4 GHz dongle controllers

[@cola6378]

Hello ps3 dualshock wired overclock how to ms? connect to pc

[@teemuojaniitty9864]

It is a shame that companies are not transparent with their product features such as latency. I really hope that you are able to continue the researching. Maybe an authority such as EU will demand precise results in the future.

[@starfox7758]

Many of these controllers were not made to be used on a PC, and it would vary from PC to PC ...

[@ledgeri]

I think someone at Nvidia saw it.... and released the input lang thingy in this year :)

[@garramiro]

which bt software did you use for the ds4 v2?

[@RocketScience]

I've covered multitudes of software in ep. 17. For the result you see in this test there was no software used.

[@henriquemartins9259]

Does changing FPS with V-Sync on change something?

[@massterwushu9699]

How do you connect the DS4 to the pc. Do you use DS4 windows?

[@charlvisser7822]

Esper is broken for some reason? I feel like they making all cars as octane hitboxes and stats or is it just me?

[@dubsteplovingginger]

Esper is hybrid hitbox not octane

[@charlvisser7822]

@@dubsteplovinggingerI know but at that time it didn't feel like a hybrid hitbox

[@dubsteplovingginger]

@@charlvisser7822 ah yeah I guess different cars even with the same hitbox can also feel different like Merc Vs octane

[@akirariley1381]

You said that your old cpu had a lot more inconsistency than your new cpu. Which one did you have before and now? :)

[@RocketScience]

i5 6600k to ryzen 3700x. Has a lot more headroom. I can still get stable 240 FPS with a youtube video or stream on my second monitor.

[@akirariley1381]

@@RocketScience THanks for the reply! I've been on a ryzen 2600x and i've been considering upgrading to 3700x. I regularly find my rocket league performance to be sluggish and a bit unreliable, and i've been dealing with it for a year now on a 2600x & gtx 1080 with xbox one s controller connected with the official wireless receiver. 16 gb of 3000mhz cl14 ram.

[@Mi4Slayer]

Coming from smash ultimate... The pro controler input lag really dont bother me. Really it less optional but it still under 1 frame of a 60fps game.

[@jaminbones]

Is there any faster / better controller for the switch? Serious answers only!

[@ibsennylund7735]

Wired xbox powerA or nacon compact?

[@Coolman1534]

Have you heard of the FPS strike pack? It gives normal ds4 and Xbox controllers paddles and has to be used with a wire, so I’m wondering what the input lag is.

[@LucianoTuhka]

how is Bluetooth better than wired

[@Yoshi92]

Gamecube controller, pleaaaaaaase, octagonal stick!

[@Sohzy]

Long time no see!