Input Lag, FPS, and Hz - Rocket Science #3

[@RocketLeagueStudio]

Your channel is a great newcomer in RL KZbin community. Great content with good information and all together well edited. Looking forward for more! Best of luck with your channel.

[@calholli]

It's IRL .. not "in RL"

[@Cri11e]

Wow, well done. Hard to imagine how much work must have gone into this. Quality content.

[@shiawayse]

6:15 Holy shit that passing play

[@boredbanana7324]

Thanks for this vid, it was pretty evidendly that a lot of background research has been done to put this one together. Personally, the biggest impact I have felt on imput delay was when changing the config file's inputdelay to 0.1 sec. After that I bought a new monitor which had 144hz(although it is only an isp) and I felt virtually no change. Then I reverted the config settings and it still felt like I was going all the way back, whitout no middleground despite changing from an very old 60hz tft to 144hz.

[@TheRomBaBa]

Holy shit. How much work u put in this videos. Youre so underrated, nice work

[@VaKeVK]

Thanks for all the work you put in, great video. Keep making them please! I conducted a similar experiment to see if I could determine the difference between vsync on and off and the result is I couldnt (on my 144fps monitor) which made me turn it on to eliminate tearing. Luckily Rocket League uses Triple Buffering and not Double Buffering which many people have had bad experiences with in older games and hence often recommend vsync off. Funnily when I first tested it, I thought I could tell the difference but it turned out to be placebo as the test wasnt done blind (I myself turned vsync on and off and then played). Repeating everything but without me seeing what vsync was set to gave the correct result.

[@RocketScience]

Thanks. Are you sure it's using triple buffering? Because the FPS are getting locked at the refreshrate and with Triple Buffering it's possible to go above unless Psyonix manually locks the FPS to the refreshrate. But either way, vsync is not as bad at 144Hz but I personally don't even notice tearing unless I'm looking for it.

[@Sukigu]

Legit question, if there is no tearing (or you just don't notice it), why even bother turning V-sync on?

[@RocketScience]

There is always tearing if you don't have VSync/GSync/Freesync. But yeah if you don't notice it, there is no reason to turn it on. All VSync does, is prevent tearing at the cost of input lag. GSync/Freesync have additonal benefits if you have less FPS than your monitor has Hz. Look at my reply to xXdimmitsarasXx and the link for more information on that.

[@Sukigu]

Yeah, I had already seen it, thanks for all the info! But it's possible that there isn't any tearing if your FPS and refresh rate manage to stay constant and equal all the time (or one multiple of the other, actually), isn't it?

[@RocketScience]

Only if you get very lucky. Even if your FPS are the same as the refreshrate of the monitor a frame can finish rendering in the middle of the frame transmission which will cause the first part of the transmission to show the last frame and the second part to show the new frame. That's the tearing. If the FPS are perfectly synced, the tearline will always be in the same place. But it could be anywhere on the monitor and it would be very lucky if it was at the very bottom where the screen ends. In that case, yes, there would be no tearing.

[@chricke90]

Thanks this was a part of fixing my heavy octane bug. I now use 200fps and OneFrameThreadLag=False and the AllowPerFrameSleep=False now I can finally feel free again =D

[@TopHatLucario]

RNG Jörgen Do you know if I have the same issue? When I play Rocket League, I get this weird stutter as if like the monitor doesn't update frames the same over the whole screen. I see this weird line which indicates there's a stutter.

[@void.7021]

Dein Channel ist echt gut und wie du es erklärst ist Schön :D

[@magburner]

I fist discovered input lag back in the early 90s on the Megadrive. I had a friend, who was almost identical in reaction times to myself. In every game we would regularly dead heat in input situations, particularly in fighting games, and sports games. To get around this, I spotted a flaw in his technique, he used his thumbs on the control pad. I did too, but I realised that there was a minuscule amount of input lag as he would move his thumb from one side of the d-pad to the other, or from one button to the other. I theorised that if I was to use my fingers instead of my thumbs, I could press one button on the pad, or one direction on the d-pad, and cover another button or direction on the d-pad, thus reducing the amount of input lag I had in games. Of course this was absolutely correct, but it took about a month or two of constant losing, before I finally taught myself the complex muscle memory that was required to do this. You see, to take advantage of my fingers, as opposed to using my thumbs, required that I had to not only play with the controller upside down (which caused much amusement), I also had to play games with the d-pad controls inverted. Back in the early 90s, inverting the y-axis was unheard of. Once I mastered this technique, my friend rarely beat me in any game. He used to accuse me of giving him a broken game pad, because he could not understand how I had managed to beat his reactions. I beat him, because I had reduced the input lag between myself and the game. To this day I still play with my PlayStation controller upside down. Do not confuse this with the claw technique, thumbs are never used. So how do I do this??? First of all, turn your PlayStation controller upside down in your hands. where the logo sticker is, place you thumbs from each side. Now whilst doing that, move your little fingers towards you slightly, so that they can rest in the space between the L and R buttons on their respective sides. At this point, you will have three fingers on your left hand covering the d-pad, and the left analogue stick, and thee fingers on the right side covering the face buttons and the right analogue stick. With intense twitch gameplay, such as FPSs, I will use my pointing finger and index finger on each hand to cover the analogue stick. With thumbs, you have to keep them continuously on the analogue stick, to move the stick around, but with fingers, I simply touch and tap constantly. You might think that this might be slower, but I can preload one direction, whilst moving in another direction. This technique is also inherently faster than using thumbs, because I am using my fingers as they were intended to be used. Thumbs are opposable, which means they were designed for grasp things, they were never meant to be used for fine control like fingers are. One other benefit of using fingers instead of thumbs is that you can achieve the same results with lower look sensitivities. I typically play on look sensitivity one, never needing to go any higher than that.

[@CosmosArchipelago]

What in the fuck did i just read. You are a mad man! Do you have video of you playing? Would love to see this technique performed. I have no plans to change my orthodox controller grip. But I'd love to see this.

[@ToontownYeets]

My new fav youtube channel

[@oaschbeidl]

I locked my fps to 120 on my 60Hz monitor for maximum consistency. Do you recommend unlocking or locking to a higher value? Not sure about the benefits vs. drawbacks... Also I experienced how much input lag can fuck you up in this game when I first played on a friends PS4 (with some non-gaming TV). I wasn't able to hit a single ball the way I wanted to.

[@RocketScience]

The best way would be a blind test. Get someone to change the values and if you can tell the difference set it to a higher value. If this is too much work I would just set it to 150. After that the "FeelsBackflipMan" differences become negligible. Once the differences are really small it isn't even worth it even if you're playing for money. If you increase your chance to win by 0.1% you're probably better off saving some energy.

[@friedrichpyttel3384]

Damn..That's a awesome video...Keep this great work up and thanks for all the work and researching! Wusste garnicht, dass du deutsch bist ;)

[@bobhog3969]

One frame thread lag is great!!!! Dude! Thank you so much for making me love rocket league again 💜

[@looluio1]

To sort for audio; Only way I fixed it was buy a DVI to rgb dongle, with a 3.5mm audio out. I then pluged my speakers into the audio out from the graphics card instead of audio out of the motherboard. That fixed the problem for me.

[@overwatchtop5plays290]

Great Video, however I think it would be smart to throw a TL;DR for best/recommended settings to run the game the best in the description. Love the videos mate keep em up!

[@quichwrigley]

Quality insights here! And great video!!!!

[@Elvy3358]

So basicly it's like adding or removing a scope in codmw,if you remove it,quicker ads time,if you add it,slower ads time.

[@itaialter]

Great content and production!

[@Marco-np1qs]

Awesome Video, exactly what i was looking for. Gonna invest in a 144hz Monitor now

[@jeremys9283]

Awesome content, 2 years later

[@GreggyAnhVNeck]

You have the best intro in rocket league KZbin

[@fvvsantana]

I'm c3 and I have been playing for 5 years at 35 fps with the lowest settings possible, except for render quality that is in "quality". The motherboard of my laptop got burnt out and I've finally bought a new one, it just has not arrived yet. I hope with the new laptop I can get to gc.

[@Zarma3]

Did u

[@fvvsantana]

​@@Zarma3 It's still early to answer, because I have only played for 6 days on my new laptop. But here are my results: rocketleague.tracker.network/rocket-league/profile/steam/76561198275794955/mmr?playlist=10 In these 6 days, I went from d1 div 4 to d2 div 4 in 1v1. In 3v3, I was actually c2 div 3, one week ago. Because I hadn't played since April. I managed to hit c3 div 3 for the first time yesterday, so I'm still grinding. So yes, basically I got 1 tier up in 6 days, both in 1v1 and 3v3. I'll continue the grind and then give more updates. My username is flaviokc on steam (nickname Derp), in case you want to check the progress using tracker websites.

[@fvvsantana]

@@Zarma3 The difference in the game play is huge. I'm playing much faster and it's so much easier to understand what is going on, when to challenge, etc. The psy net players seem to play slower now. The mechanical consistency has improved a lot, and now I'm able to learn how to speed flip. Because speed-flip felt practically impossible to do with the input lag caused by 30 fps. Air dribbling is way easier to do consistently, because of the game being more responsive. Same for power shots, double taps and flip-resets.

[@MHFreak1997]

subbed.. just because of the Intro :D

[@tobiasnilsson4345]

Is there still input lag in my controller if its wired? Like does it matter if i use a ps4 or a xbox360 controller if i would use both of them wired?

[@Nameless_rat]

Tobias Nilsson Xbox one controllers wired are 125hz, PS4 controllers are somehow faster wireless than wired with some users claiming 2ms response time which is 500hz

[@shionsan]

Shouldn't maximum input lag (time from the buttons is pressed to result being visible) actually be: + Time between frames x2, if controller`s polling rate is higher than FPS; otherwise it would be controller`s input lag rounded to a multiply of time between frames. + Time needed for monitor/TV to receive and show the frame (depends on the matrix, cable used and postprocessing) + Time the game takes to show the action triggered by the button, if action does not trigger right away Why would you multiply 17 by FOUR there? Game logic (including input processing) and frame generation are done within ONE 17ms period for stable 60 FPS. One frame delay (the x2 mentioned) might happen only when button was pressed at the moment between start of frame generation and input processing.

[@OrangeOO7]

before I'm buying a new monitor I'll try getting used to having jump on Y.

[@RocketScience]

I hope you're not trying to change your control scheme based on me using it in this video :D I just used Y because it's easier to see in the video. (The one I ended up using shows A aswell but in some other videos the controller was closer to the edge of the camera)

[@OrangeOO7]

Rocket Science but it inspired me. with that layout I can do fast aerials and kick off's :D

[@danielparizeau1]

I've put my jump and boost on the top bumpers. This enables me to use the right stick for rolling the car in air.(pc only)

[@SidzVidz]

How do you look around you with that setup?

[@Sukigu]

+Shuichi Because of your comment I was also inspired to change it like that and it seems pretty nice in terms of getting used to it! I recently tried Gibbs' way of binding boost to LB but I just couldn't easily adapt myself to boosting with my left hand. With this scheme, both hands still do the same actions and I just have to get used to having my thumb on top of Y and B (and pressing A for ballcam, which still confuses me a bit).

[@chrissm1163]

Question: So the PS4 Controller is the best for Rocket League because it has 250hz?

[@declan6016]

11 no, the less the better

[@lordmada1282]

@@declan6016 wait what??

[@RocketScience]

Here is the link to the poll. What topic should I cover next? twitter.com/HalfwayDeadRL/status/767455052831289344

[@aaronswan9900]

What constitutes as TV post processing? I play on xbox one x connected to my 55" Samsung qled (xbox allows 4k and 60hz and 2k with 120hz options available from the tv) I have game mode on auto. I am unsure what is the optimal setup, I notice my TV has freesync on and shows 59hz in game... Any knowledgeable advice is appreciated 🙏

[@RocketScience]

If game mode is on then the post processing is disabled. auto should detect it. Optimal from an input lag pov would definitely be the 2k 120hz but looks a bit worse of course.

[@aaronswan9900]

@@RocketScience thank you so much for the info! Love your efforts! On an unrelated note; I have discovered on console that steering dead zone also impacts camera stick dead zone. This could be a problem for those with controllers with any right stick drift where the camera could be accidentally throwing off perspective on occasion. Maybe something people didn't realise, I didn't until this week through testing out

[@Ponduus]

Hi! Great video! I got one question tho, i have an laptop that got a 120Hz monitor, how do i find out what fps is best to run the game at? I can have 250 fps while in training but when i play like 3v3 it goes down to lik 180-200 fps steady. Do you think its better to put it down to 144 fps then, cuz then the fps gonna be rock steady at 144 fps.

[@RocketScience]

I currently have no objective data on 1 being truly better but I have a theory on how to test such an experiment some time in the future. In theory stable should be bit better in terms of input consistency. However, input lag goes down as frames go up so if that's the only thing you care about then you should use as high as possible. Either way, there is no real reason for you to use 144 (because you might as well go way higher if you go higher). Use 120 if your screen is 120Hz. The physics also run at a tickrate of 120 so if the framerate is perfectly stable then that part lines up too. Which does at the very least reduce the amount of unintended backflips that I talked about in the video.

[@CloudyMcRowdy]

im not understanding. i have roughly 175ms reaction time. I use vsync, at 60fps. I also used my computer to test this. So what youre really saying is that I have a reaction time of less than 50ms? then explain how i am not noticing ANY input lag, whatsoever. Even with Vsync on, only at 60fps.

[@jordanemmendorfer9994]

So I have a bit of a technical question for you/anyone. I have been using my pc for rocket league and it's a beast with the least amount of input lag of any system I've used so far. Here are the specs. Intel quadcore i7 cpu. ASUS z97 mobo. Geforce GTX 970 GPU. 16gb RAM. No problems. However, I just bought a laptop that, I had thought had high enough specs to play the game and have it feel about the same. But I think I underestimated the quality of my pc. The laptop is a Dell inspiron 15 Gaming laptop. It has an intel i5 quadcore cpu. A Geforce GTX 950m GPU. And 8gb RAM. The game looks all right, although I can tell that it can't achieve as high a frame rate. The big thing for me is the input lag on the control. I use the same playstation ds3 controller with a usb cord on both setups. And I use the same scp driver to use the controller. But I would say that my laptop has about the same input lag as my friends ps4. It's pretty bad, and the whole point of my laptop was to play it over there, but not have to bring over my desktop rig. Are there things I can do at my given specs, or do I need to just pony up for a more expensive laptop? I'm looking for the same experience as far as input across both computers. And I was thinking that frame rate might not matter as much, but then I watched your vid.

[@RocketScience]

The best way to test if FPS are what's causing the input lag difference is to find a way to get more FPS. You could try to lower all the graphic settings to their lowest and lower the resolution to like 640x480. That's of course not a long-term solution but if you can get significantly more FPS that way you can test if the input lag feels a lot better. If it does then it's just because you don't have enough FPS, if not then it has to be some other reason. Other than that, the screen is often the cause for high input lag but in a notebook, you can obviously not change it and if it's marketed as gaming then it shouldn't be a bad one. In terms of software, I would just make sure that you don't have some kind of "optimisation software". Some prioritise certain processes over others which can cause your inputs to have lower priority -> higher input lag. I've also heard that Windows 10 XBox DVR can cause input lag so that's something you can try to turn off.

[@tynanroussety917]

you deserve more subs great vid

[@AsKnownAsLucy]

I have always wondered what AllowPerFrameYield is. I’ve seen many putting this as ’False’. Why?

[@dinosonicrexdyson5018]

Can you do the 5:52 graph again with the new uncapped framerates?

[@EquiliMario]

Bought a gtx980 for Shadow of Mordor and Witcher 3 kinda games. Now have 800 hours in Rocket League. Rocking that 250fps imma try those .ini thingys

[@MrCK84]

Hi sorry for my bad english. i have a Gsync Monitor Asus Rog Swift 278 I wanted to tell you that I think it's great that you are dealing with it. 1.what I wanted to ask, it is a Gsync Monitor: it is better to play with Gsync or ULMB in Rocket league 2. these 2 settings in the video you change in the settings file. This Reduce my Inputlag ? I would be happy if you answer me Could

[@RocketScience]

1. If you have 144+FPS all the time then I would use ULMB. If your FPS are somewhere in between 60-144 GSync will give a better experience. 2. Yes but only very little. You should be careful with the 2nd setting. If you're not sure that you're getting more than 144FPS all the time then don't change that one.

[@MrCK84]

hi ok thx for your help . i mess my FPS on Aquadom new map . with OneFrameThreadLag=True/False my Video Settings: prntscr.com/crr52g my Result: OneFrameThreadLag=True 1 Minute Avg: 188.298 - Min: 157 - Max: 246 OneFrameThreadLag=False 1 Minute Avg: 178.790 - Min: 128 - Max: 240 I think it's better if i play with OneFrameThreadLag=True. or what do you think ?

[@RocketScience]

Hallo :) Also es ist tendenziell im Bereich wo es ok wäre "False" zu nehmen. Allerdings würde ich auch eher abraten, einfach weil es bei 178 FPS um einen Unterschied von unter 6ms input lag geht. Das ist so wenig, dass man es kaum spüren kann. (Habe ich ja im Video gesagt dass ich das selbst getestet habe und persönlich keinen Unterschied spüren konnte).

[@MrCK84]

hi ok . danke für deine Antwort . sprichst ja deutsch ok. ja wie gesagt auch mit der Option False spielt es sich auch nicht mehr so ganz flüssig wie mit True. schwer zu erklären. Performance mässig meine ich das. ab und zu kommen ruckler oder mini lags kurze FPS einbrüche. für mich spürbar. leider musste ich mir dein Video mehre mal anschauen . weil mein English doch nicht so gut ist. ich finde es toll das du dich mit solchen Themen beschäftigst.mach weiter so. ok dann haben sich meine fragen geklärt also fahre ich meine einstellungen die ich davor hatte weiter

[@cnada]

Is changing the Rocket League BaseSystemSettings bannable now?

[@corbinfonville1012]

So when you are suggesting going to 250 fps vs 150 fps b/c of more backflip moments, are you talking about monitor fps or the fps Video setting in Rocket League itself?

[@corbinfonville1012]

Also, does setting the FPS slider in the Video settings actually make it calculate that often, or is it monitor-limited?

[@antonymota1814]

Great video ! Do you think it's okay to use the bluetooth Xbox One S controller ? Or should i wire it ?

[@leaf_1140]

Ok, so i have a beatsaudio envy d7 pc, running windows 10, and i have a intel core i7 and a nvidia geforce gt 630m, when i play rocket league on it, first of all, those methods didnt work, second of all, when i play online matches, basically, the game goes very slow, then just speeds up and gliches me, that keeps happening, making it extremely difficult. Can you please help me resolve these problems

[@thesavant5233]

I recently switched to PC from xbox and now my car feels sluggish. I'm not sure why but it feels like there's still input lag somewhere. Possibly because an Xbox controller will react faster on the actual console than on the pc but I am not sure. I went all performance on visuals, game mode on TV, and game mode on that little blue rectangle that pops up when you hit the xbox home button. Both helped A SHIT TON but I still see that it's just isn't as fast as console for me. Not sure what else I could possibly change.

[@DeadInsideDave]

the fact that your on a tv with gamemode means you missed the point those tv arent suitable for anything more than playin mario in the living room

[@ImNobblez]

consoles just have a natural input delay to them lol

[@borals1674]

so ive tried ps4 and pc on the exact same monitor on gamemode and for some reason the ps4 seems to have less input lag and i cant figure out why the pros use pc with this bad lag

[@MikeL-zi1hw]

What are your camera settings?

[@Pokepunk]

Could anyone explain why I feel less input lag when I lower render quality?

[@Pokepunk]

Xeno I get constant capped 150fps for all render qualities. But the lower it is, me AND one of my friends tested it and we both feel a significant reduction in input lag

[@BuffaloSoldierH]

Amazing. Thanks so much for doing this

[@MahlikMadeThat]

This tells me there's alot more good gamers than we actually realize

[@MadSides]

Whenever i turn off v sync i experience terrible tearing in all my games I have amd freesync and vrr on if that helps Why does the tearing occur?

[@DeadInsideDave]

i have a rx580 and a 144hz freesync monitor when i run it on that it looks really smooth but sometime i get dips/stutters and i think its because for a millisecond its dropping below the free-sync threshold. there is no way to set a minimum fps idk what to do to get rid of this apart from beefing up the gpu

[@SANFRAN]

Right now I am getting around 700 FPS on a I7-7700k OC'd @ 4.9GHZ w/ a EVGA 1080 SC. I am also have a 240HZ BENQ XL2540 Monitor which is amazing for low input lag. My question is, how/what build did you get the 1000 FPS reading on? I really would like to achieve that FPS, which is why I listed my specs. I made all kinds of tweaks and for now a little over 700 is the highest I can get. I can push the over clock a little more and set my ram speeds, but I'm just curious of what hardware was used for that 1000. I know you probably get all kinds of messages and don't have time to reply to them all, but out of all the comments I submit on KZbin, if I had to pick any youtuber to answer my comment, this would be the one. So if you see this, please let me know Rocket Science! Thank you!

[@RocketScience]

Damn, that's a really nice rig :D I'm jealous. I achieved 1000FPS by going on Underpass, driving into the goal and making sure that only the inside of the goal was in my FOV. As soon as I turned towards the field my FPS drop to like 400-600 on low graphics and on most of the standard maps I get way less FPS anyways. I have a GTX970.

[@SANFRAN]

Ohh, okay makes sense. Yah I achieved 850 by just looking at the sky. but cool man. my input lag is really really low. Is there a way to make a controller 1000HZ? I've been looking everywhere.

[@THEK1NGSCLAN]

no

[@keno9482]

Hey i have a question, I need help with my Nvidia settings, there are soo much settings and can someone give me help for competitive settings for Nvidia?

[@grimm8761]

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[@keno9482]

Hey :)Hoffe du sprichst deutsch :DAlso ich habe einen gaming laptop mit einer gtx980m von asus, und einen 144 Hz Monitor von Aog und kenne mich leider nicht sehr gut damit aus. Das einzige was ich gemacht habe ist vsync aus (nvidia Systemsteuerung und im Spiel) und auf 145 gedrosselt. Ich spiele regelmäßig auch auf Turnieren. Und ich habe so das Gefühl da geht noch mehr im Bezug auf input lag. Was könntest du mir empfehlen noch zu tun? Vielen Dank :) hast ein abo :D

[@RocketScience]

Hmm also außer mit einem Controller mit Kabel zu spielen und die Settings die ich in der Config beschrieben habe wüsste ich erstmal nichts. Wenn es dir ganz wichtig ist dann würde ich mich spezifisch nach Low input lag Monitoren umsehen. Nicht jeder 144Hz ist derselbe. Mein recht günstiger hat zum Beispiel ca. 10ms Signalverarbeitungszeit. Und dann eine sehr schnelle Pixel Reaktionszeit. Also insgesamt ca. 12ms. Manche Monitore wie dieser hier (www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2016/test-aoc-ag271qg-teil8.html) haben eine gesamten input lag von 5ms und außerdem 165Hz. Aber ich glaube nicht dass sich das Geldtechnisch wirklich lohnt. Im Normfall entscheidet das nicht über den Ausgang eines Turniers... :)

[@keno9482]

Rocket Science okay ja habe einen aoc 271qx mit 1ms Reaktionszeit, dass müsste ja schonmal passen. Empfiehlt es sich in meiner situation die beiden config Einstellung zu ändern und verbessert es den input lag? Sry kann nicht sehr gut englisch, hast das mit Sicherheit im Video erklärt :D Mein Monitor hat die Einstellung overdrive (langsam, mittel, schnell) sollte man das auch auf schnell stellen? Denke damit ist Übersteuerung gemeint. Und habe ich das richtig gemacht überall vsync aus zu stellen? Vielen dank für deine hilfe bist der erste der mir da wirklich helfen kann :)

[@Todestuete]

www.prad.de/new/monitore/test/2016/test-aoc-ag271qg-teil8.html

[@xPume]

I just got my first 144hz monitor (Acer GN246HL). I don't know if it's because i'm used to the 60hz, but my Ps4 controller (I plug my Ps4 controller into my PC) feels really wierd and the ball feels a bit heavyer too. Any way I can fix this?

[@Zockshadow]

And I'm sitting here with my notebook 60hz screen and literally lowest settings possible (edited .ini) with inconsistent 90 fps in 2v2 😭 3v3 sometimes gets me under 60fps

[@firenyth]

so i can go out buy a gsync monitor, get a high polling rate controller, already have a beast cpu and gpu, one problem, what do i do about the 100-180 ms ping i get...

[@nathanieldonley5502]

I play on PS4 and after trying RL on PC, have realized my console/TV are a truly debilitating factor in trying to do precise dribbling and aerials. How far would a gaming monitor go to alleviate my issues compared to upgrading my PC setup?

[@RocketScience]

That really depends on the TV. You can check out www.rtings.com/tv/tests/inputs/input-lag If your TV has 30 ms or more input lag in gaming mode it is most likely the biggest input lag factor of your setup. Most even just random monitors have 15 ms or less but there are a few office monitors or some intended for professional colour work that might have more. Gaming monitors are usually all 10 ms or less.

[@Coreyz05]

Hopefully you can help me with this so i can enjoy this game.. my fps stays normal green but on performance graph below FPS. thers a "Min" and mine is always red an drops stays green sometimes but always goes back to red an makes game choppy an very hard to play. thanks!

[@Adesanmii]

I always get a quick lag (i think it is a FPS drop) when someone gets demoed nearby me.. what can i do to fix this problem?

[@RocketScience]

I don't think there is anything you can do. CPU usage spikes when people get demoed. Before I upgraded mine I also got a massive framespike whenever someone got demoed.

[@Adesanmii]

Rocket Science Thx for a fast respons even on a over a year old video (sry my englando is bad)

[@proballa27]

I can't handle the screen tearing with vsync off. it's insanely distracting and affects my visibility of the ball at times. What's the best way to deal with it?

[@RocketScience]

I have no idea how I could offer you help with dealing with it. It's just a personal thing. If you can't handle it then you can play with Vsync. It's not unplayable if you're used to the input lag. If you want to reduce tearing you can try getting a monitor with a higher refreshrate/ a better computer to get more FPS. At 60FPS tearing is very noticeable because the difference between 2 frames is really big but at 240FPS the difference is only 1/4th of that. Having more FPS will result in more tear-lines but each of the lines will be a lot less noticeable. On my PC at 250FPS on a 144Hz I only see tearing if I look for it. At 144FPS it's definitely noticeable for me. None of this will ever result in something perfect so the only real solution is to get a Freesync/G-Sync monitor. They are able to sync the refreshrate to the GPU to prevent tearing with very little impact on input lag. If you don't want to buy anything and you have an nvidia GPU you can try turning on nvidia FastSync. It has almost no impact on input lag but it will make frame spacing uneven which can result in it looking stuttery.

[@khelgarironfist3301]

Exactly my issue. This is unplayable with huge tearing so the best way for me to reduce the tearing was that I locked the fps to 60 (got 60hz monitor) and enabled adaptive sync in nvidia control panel to reduce it. (fastsync didnt work as well) Works better than normal vsync both in case input lag and tearing but still not perfect. So a 144hz rig is a big plus in this game imo.

[@lhbr1980]

It doesnt matter with settings and fast pc when is somekind of odd bug. Its called heavy car bug. I got the same bug like many others in csgo and all other games. Its kind of you to post a good video but people with that bug can do nothing to input lag. All settings are tested without finding the reason for the bug. I hope everybody will wake up one day and see there is a serious problem.

[@renital_4279]

so ur saying that ps4 controllers have the least input lag compared to other ones?

[@chamberselias1903]

So on a 60hz monitor i should cap my pc at 120fps

[@mmmikem]

I've heard that 59fps on a 60hz monitor will reduce input lag. Would 119 on a 60hz monitor also be better?

[@RocketScience]

I don't know where you heard that but that doesn't make any sense. Unless there is some kind of bug in a games code that causes unnecessary input lag at 60FPS there is no way that could be true.

[@mmmikem]

There are a few places online confirming this. Here's the top result off Google for you to check out. www.displaylag.com/reduce-input-lag-in-pc-games-the-definitive-guide/ I've read it multiple times in multiple places for games varying from fps to other sport games.

[@RocketScience]

Ah. I think I know what they're talking about. They didn't specify it properly. That only applies to FreeSync or GSync monitors. They can have reduced input lag as long as they are running below their maximum refreshrate. So to answer your question: If you have a FreeSync/GSync monitor no, since 119 is above maximum refreshrate anyway it's pretty much going to make no difference compared to 120 FPS. If you have a regular monitor then lower FPS should never give any benefits. If you want me to explain why FreeSync/GSync monitors can have lower input lag at FPS below their max refreshrate, tell me. I just don't want to write the full explanation for no reason :P

[@mmmikem]

Hey man, found myself binging your new episodes since this. I regret not subscribing. To conclude this, if I'm playing on a 60hz monitor, would I then get the lowest input lag by not using vsync and capping the framerate at 60fps?

[@tacticaltaco7481]

Could you test input lag after lowering graphics settings?

[@RocketScience]

I've tested at alot of different graphic settings. They do not have a direct influence on input lag (unless you count VSync as a graphic setting). If your PC isn't powerful enough to keep constant 144FPS at Very High but it is able to do it at the lowest setting then you will have less input lag after lowering the graphics. But that is just a result of having more FPS (as I explained in the video). If you have constant 144FPS with either then it does not matter. Does that answer your question?

[@tacticaltaco7481]

Rocket Science Yeah that makes sense.

[@sadeepthb7333]

Hey, I recently crossfired 2 r9 270s but I am getting alot of input lag, less with a single one but i still feel it. I was thinking of buying an rx 480 8gb, do you think that will be good enough to run the game at 144hz with minimal input lag? Thankyou, and great video btw.

[@RocketScience]

The rx480 is a strong card. It should easily handle the game at over 144FPS all the time. As for input lag I would check your drivers. Maybe Vsync is forced on. Otherwise it's hard to tell where it could be coming from. If it's the monitor then it would affect every game but maybe you don't find it as noticeable in other games? The only other thing I could think of is some programm messing with inputs and input devices causing a delay.

[@sadeepthb7333]

Thanks for the reply. I assume it can't be the monitor because I just bought an asus vg248qe. Hmm yeah I'm not sure, all I know is I get higher input lag the higher I cap my Hz and i'm getting more lag than ps4. Thanks

[@ethanpierce324]

Im researching parts for a pc build, and my budget is roughly 500 dollars. If I pair a ryzen 3 1200, gtx 1050ti, and 8 gb of ram, can I get 144fps in rocket league?

[@Reddo02]

When I got Vsync off I have a ton of lagspikes, when I put it on I don't? wtf

[@RocketScience]

Are you playing in Borderless mode or do you happen to have NVIDIA fast-sync enabled? Either of those has a different kind of VSync which is not "synced" to the game (it's pretty hard to explain without going into detail) and can cause stuttering. And enabling VSync will get rid of the stutters because it makes sure that the screen is synced with the game. In real Fullscreen mode (Borderless looks like Fullscreen but it's fake) and Fast-sync disabled (should be disabled unless you turned it on manually), the stutters shouldn't happen.

[@Reddo02]

Rocket Science How do I check if fast-sync is disabled? Thank you for the respons!

[@Reddo02]

I have AMD. What should I do? x). Sorry for spending your time...

[@RocketScience]

AMD doesn't have fast-sync. So that can't be the cause of your issues. I honestly have no idea then what it could be. I just knew that borderless mode has exactly the problem you were talking about.

[@nikolaihjorting4440]

Hey Rocket science, are there some launch commands i can use to get better fps in rocket league?

[@jsigston1]

none of those ctrl f lines are in my ssytemsettings for game, gg

[@ethancarpenter279]

So I'm thinking about getting a 3ms response time monitor... How well would that work with Rocket League? I don't want any input lag btw.

[@ethancarpenter279]

And I play on ps4...

[@RocketScience]

Getting a gaming monitor instead of playing on a TV is usually a big difference that's worth it on PC and console. 3ms response time (I assume that's what they advertise) is good but not the best on the market. 1ms response time gaming monitors are not really more expensive these days and as I said in the video the input lag is also dependent on the input processing and not just the response time.

[@fallinjan179]

is there a 3rd party controller that has higher polling rate than ds4?

[@RocketScience]

Not any that I'm aware of. The problem is that there aren't really any controllers made for specifically for PCs anymore. They are all made for console and therefore have to provide exactly the same data to the console that a regular controller would.

[@jeffreygonzalez5931]

I have had 50 fps before now after the dropshot update i am getting 30 fps and 20 fps at some moments how can i fix this?

[@RocketScience]

I'm sorry to hear that. The only thing I can recommend is to check if the graphic settings are all still the same. The update should only improve performance. I would write a message to Psyonix support telling them your exact PC specs (Graphics Card, Processor, Operating System), maybe they can find a solution.

[@jeffreygonzalez5931]

k thanks

[@dimmitsaras]

What about GSync/Freesync with Vsync disabled

[@RocketScience]

When you have GSync/Freesync on and you have less FPS than the monitor has Hz you're actually going to get lower input lag than everything off because with those technologies the monitor refreshes as soon as the frame is ready. If you're producing more FPS than your monitor can handle GSync/Freesync doesn't provide any advantage because the monitor is at best updating everytime it can anyways. In that case, it's not much better than Vsync because it's not going to display a new frame until it's fully finished to prevent tearing. I don't have a GSync monitor and haven't tested any of this myself. This site is a great resource: www.blurbusters.com/gsync/preview2/ (scroll down to where they are testing CounterStrike for the high FPS tests)

[@boredbanana7324]

Adaptive sync is not meant to be used in scenarios where you can reach 144hz and ULMB should be used instead. Let's say u have 72 frames in RL, adaptive sync now mirrors each of those frames that your GPU created and lines them in to reach 144 frames. It does not give you more frames than you have, only a perception that you do so. I tried limited my fps via RL to 141 and activated gsync and I can tell you it is not pleasant at all. Every 10-20 sec you can feel your monitor forces a sort of smoothes upon you for like 2 seconds which feels very unnatural and out of place, a bit like movies visualize an LSD trip - I'd reccomend you to turn gsync of whereever you can reach >120fps.

[@Geroellgeraet]

You claim there is no added input lag by the game but youre testing at 1000fps. Maybe it is a framerate dependent effect that is only noticeable for lower fps ranges like

[@FuriousGeorge_]

Can anyone help me? I’m playing on pc using a 60Hz monitor. The game runs very smoothly with Vsync on, however, I can’t stand the input lag. When I turn it off I get a huge amount of screen tear

[@808cartierrr]

dude did u fixed it?

[@DarkSansTV]

I had OneFrameThreadLag set to False. DERP!

[@BTDubbzz]

OneFrameThreadLag seems to no longer be in the file

[@RocketScience]

That's interesting. It is still in the file for me but changing it doesn't do anything anymore (watch Episode 13). I'm guesing it was only in my file because I haven't done a fresh install of the game in a while. Either way, I wouldn't recommend using it because it doesn't only reduce avg FPS which would be fine. It makes framerates way less stable.

[@BTDubbzz]

I found out a few minutes after commenting that it is still in the file, but it wasn't showing up because I had RL running at the time. That's what I assume anyway Why isn't it working anymore? I guess I can just watch the new video lol. I will go back and change it to True though

[@moelester2136]

i use keyboard and mouse will this affect input lag

[@RocketScience]

That really depends on what keyboard and mouse you're using. If they are gaming peripherals then they will be atleast as good as a controller. Many have even lower input lag.

[@reyou7]

That's why ps4 people cannot compete with PC guys. That's not about they are sux, it is about they got delayed much more than PC players, and have big disadvantage on 50/50s.

[@lhbr1980]

Wrong I got input lag despite I have gamer pc 1ms in all hardware. Eg. mechanical keyboard 1ms, mouse logitec g900 and so on. I know many players are dealing with the heavy car bug and I got the same in csgo and all other games. We have tried all things nothing helps. So its not about ps4 is slower than pc.

[@ToontownYeets]

I have to agree. I started off playing RL on my ps4 and xbone. Then I put together a high end PC, and played RL on that instead. Went back to try it again on console days later, and I could definitely tell the difference and it was brutal.

[@mirageaim]

My controller is pretty slow on reactions: PS4 i got a 60hz TV

[@Gabbanelli64]

same

[@ftbg.]

Shawtyy thats because PS4 uses Bluetooth to communitate with the controller. Bluetooth increases the delay immensely compared to a usb connection. Sadly you cant change that on ps4 even if you connect the controller via usb with your PS...

[@bilalyigit5168]

disable vertical sync on video settings it will fix the slow reaction

[@CharleyBoersen]

having a 60hz tv wont matter if it is a TV though. Always 100 ms lag

[@Bob-zc4bm]

Charley Boersen Hey man, I plan on getting a 60hz 1ms response time monitor for PS4, ya think I'll notice a difference in gameplay?

[@quwex_]

Don't listen to the poll do the dodge physics thats some weird shit.

[@Domcreator]

everything you explained i believe to have done perfectly well yet there is still noticeable input lag of about 126 ms if i did that slow motion thing correct

[@RocketScience]

That sounds incredibly high. Can you tell me what monitor you're using and how much FPS you get and if you're using wireless controller? Oh and the framerate of the camera would be helpful to know aswell.

[@Domcreator]

Rocket Science I mean I mm not even sure if I did the slow motion on my iPhone to count the frames correctly, but 60Hz monitor with a wired dualshock 4

[@Domcreator]

Rocket Science FPS is hitting 250-300

[@Domcreator]

Rocket Science either way the input lag is noticeably high but I'm not sure exactly how high it is

[@RocketScience]

The iPhone 5S can record 120FPS slow motion which means you need to count 8.33 ms per frame. iPhone 6 and higher record 240FPS unless you manually changed it in the settings so you'd need to count 4.17ms per frame there. The monitor itself is usually the biggest source of input lag if you get that many FPS. But even bad PC monitors usually don't have more than 40ms of input lag. TVs can be worse so if you're playing on one that would be a possible explanation. Otherwise, if you calculated the input lag correctly it's probably software related. In that case, I'd recommend trying to disable/uninstall any programs that have something to do with your inputs/record video in the background/any "optimizer" software.

[@joejonrl7968]

I have a PC 250FPS in the highest quality, xbox360 controller for PC, 60Hz monitor but i dont feel lagg or something :P

[@cheek077]

so if pc has that advantage then why dont they have seperate tournaments in ESL? Also changing the value in config to false is legal in tournament? the backflipping problem is very noticable on my ps4/monitor setup, compared to my buddys pc setup. skill takes you so far but advantages like this make tournaments seem liike an inside joke that no one wants to address or else it would bring down the "fair" competition myth.

[@hroster2887]

Ist deutsch deine Muttersprache?

[@blueatom1129]

Lmao it seems like invading NASA sistems at 6:57

[@MLGTommy47]

How can a 144 hz monitor display 250 fps? lol wat?

[@jonasdidier7279]

Consider rewatching the video

[@MLGTommy47]

Black Diamond nah

[@hamybal]

MLGTommy47 - Rocket League your monitor shows only 144 hz. If your pc is good enough to run 250hz, you Let your pc run at 250hz so the input lag will be less. but your screen only shows 144hz which doesn't affect the input lag of your keyboard and mouse. i wonder If all of this also is the same for the controller inputs?

[@Zellocka]

and if im playing at 30fps on a 60hz monitor, can i become a champion ? xD

[@sensending7190]

I have 1000 Hours and im Dia 2... U want to know what i didnt take off? YES V-SYNC. Without the car is moving too fast for me. Fuuuuck i could be better now D:

[@renital_4279]

would i be able to play to my best with an i7 8gb ram laptop? ive never owned an actual pc and have always played at around 40 fps on normal maps (29 onn aquadome and starbase)

[@RocketScience]

The most important part of a PC for gaming is the graphics card. i7 as a Processor and 8GB of RAM are just fine. But I have no idea how good the game will run based on the information you gave me. That being said, 29FPS is definitely a significant disadvantage I have heard people talk about them moving up to 1-2 ranks up in ranked after going from 30FPS to a good gaming PC

[@floriansauer4462]

7:08 na da ist ja jemand Deutsch. tief in meinem inneren wusste ich es doch schon immer (die 7 minuten in denen ich dich kenn)

[@renital_4279]

omg ur so close to 2000 subs just 10 away

[@ReefMimic]

Anyone summarize? I keep falling asleep

[@Sabagegah]

Y'all talkin' like it's the norm to have multiple digits in your FPS count. I'm just glad I got this on mah Switch and not mah potato compooper!

[@SirAlberto29]

thx liked XD

[@aos-archive]

I always just play at 60fps. No problem.

[@wtfkittah]

6:50 9:00

[@spongmoid842]

Hahah I’m playing on Xbox One with Vsync on rip

[@deexom]

i play on n switch😂😂😂

[@Eridu]

Wtf my reaction time is 50ms, who has 200ms it just seems too high