New Problem for Cosmology - S8 Tension Confirmed by Major Observations

[@sabinrawr]

"Let's briefly discuss the Universe and what we know about it." WOW What a sentence!

[@yaonyaon9460]

Here is a summary... Beginning/Creation: Big Bang Theory Age of the Observable Universe: 13.8 billion years Trend: Expanding Size: Suspected 46 billion light years away from us in every direction if accounting for the expansion trend End: Big Rip Hypothesis/ Heat Death Hypothesis Full Size/Age: Unknown Ownership: Cats

[@Cobbido]

how dare you to aktually say that?? why are it such an great sentence??

[@0ptimal]

I appreciate antons' method of titling his videos. He doesn't treat us like mindless fish.

[@sir_Edguhh]

I know right, especially cause we are mindless fish. Anton is the real MVP

[@hansisbrucker813]

Blub 🐟

[@annunacky4463]

Fish have minds too.

[@baabo708]

Speak for yourself!! Blub, blub!!!

[@richard4short5]

@@0ptimal I'm a mindless human

[@txtardis7887]

Cosmology is a budding science. As more information comes in the model keeps getting adjusted. Betelgeuse like super novas, super massive black holes roaming about and colliding galaxies are just a few things we now know to consider when looking at how "clumpy" space is. Thank you for keeping us updated on the progress 👍

[@hiltonchapman4844]

@txtardis7887: Re your "Cosmology is a budding science". Ye gads! So when there is a "tension" then cosmology began yesterday, "c'mon, man, cut it some slack", "never mind, boys, you did your best". OTHERWISE.... Otherwise cosmology is a [Fauci-like] well-established, undeniable, incontrovertible science. And you (who's raising your voice), you're a science-denier! A classic example of the game "Heads I win, tails you lose" played by the YT-cosmologists. HC-JAIPUR (19/01/2025) .

[@Etimespace]

It is not space which expanding! Center of atoms are traffic areas where expanding energy is more density. This expanding traffic areas recycling expanding energy and pushing eachothers away from eachothers same way what matter and light expanding. Expanding dark lightWaves interactive with eachothers and get eachothers expanding faster and thats why expanding lights move faster and faster same way what matter and light expanding. There is explanation why old expanding light is redshifted cosmologist way. Also explanation for gravity lensing phenomena with out curving space! There is no spacetime which play tricks! .

[@firebush1343]

The electrical model doesn't require made up matter.

[@txtardis7887]

@firebush1343 the electric universe model with ionic plasma physics is really an exciting direction and makes a lot of sense for some of the phenomenon we see. Not sure about tossing out Gravity as no longer a major force. However, it will be interesting to see how the theory develops. 👍

[@bjornfeuerbacher5514]

Supernovas, super massive black holes and colliding galaxies all have little to do with how "clumpy" space is considered to be in cosmology.

[@CousinPaddy]

Always love the Anton smile at the end😁

[@josephyoung6749]

hope all is well for you, Anton!!

[@malcolmt7883]

The Universe is like a gravy that wasn't stirred enough.

[@palma1245]

god has a sense of humor

[@ODDYSEY-182]

​@palma1245 no reason for a God.

[@ODDYSEY-182]

Still being stirred....

[@2147B]

@@palma1245 I wonder if god thinks his god has one

[@Cobbido]

@@ODDYSEY-182 akshually it isn't, it's settling

[@snjsilvan]

Thanks once again, wonderful person!

[@xyhilwastaken]

These tensions give the hint that they are parts of the universe the either change over time; or the laws of physics just like energy is clumpy over existence. Maybe something more wild: like physics at the largest scale still being a combination of it's system local in the lower scale, like [atoms to quarks] but [giant reigons of the universe large gravitational waves]. Who knows, one day years in the future one or a few tensions will be solved by a brilliant mind.

[@oldbag3043]

Well that's left me scratching my head, Nice one Anton

[@LévayZsombor]

can i still enjoy season 8 of Cosmology if i missed the last couple of seasons?

[@Alex-js5lg]

Yes, but you should really catch up on the previous 13 billion years when you have the time.

[@hywelgriffiths5747]

If you missed the first nanosecond, nothing that comes after will make sense

[@Shaunshahriar]

Dude I heard the prequel is the most interesting one but i can't seem to find it anywhere

[@apostolismoschopoulos1876]

Go back and fill the gap! Binge-watching cosmology seasons you missed!

[@lettersfromtheleft]

This is a good joke right here.

[@Celeste-in-Oz]

the images with these videos are getting more awesome every time! 🤩 (just as well... that went entirely over my head)

[@scottsoykin1304]

Anton is the best!

[@maxmusterman3371]

I dont know, if it would be too much for some of the audience, but id love to see the actual formula where S8 is used.

[@edwardneilsen2139]

Unfortunately for me I have the feeling if I looked at the formula I would understand it just enough to give myself a massive headache.

[@ljip3076]

S8 unification??

[@doctorscoot]

S8 symmetry group, would be my best guess.

[@BankC6969]

I’m stupid, so don’t make fun… I googled cosmological solution to S8 and got this: “What is the S8 tension? When investigating the universe, astronomers sometimes work with what's known as the S8 parameter. This parameter basically characterizes how "lumpy," or strongly clustered, all the matter in our universe is, and can be measured precisely with what are known as low-redshift observations.Oct 24, 2023”

[@anttikangasvieri1361]

Its variation in matter density in 8 megaparsec scales.

[@TheGalacticIndian]

I LOVE science problems! More science mysteries please🤗

[@Pseudo___]

the answer is 42

[@PumaOGV]

Actually its Pi

[@RazvanMihaeanu]

137

[@bugsy742]

@@PumaOGVwhooooooosh 😂

[@Berg-ft5xb]

Tree(3)

[@Big_Tex]

But what’s the question? 🧐

[@paulmicks7097]

Thank you Anton, great topic.

[@JohnShalamskas]

It seems like the dark matter would tend to get less clumpy as the universe expands, since it is not "sticky" like baryonic matter. Dark matter only seems to interact with itself and baryons via gravity. Since dark matter is much more abundant than baryonic matter, the universe should get less clumpy over time, on average.

[@denysvlasenko1865]

No. The "clumpiness" of DM is caused by gravity, and its degree depends on how heavy DM particles are. The DM clumps, for example our Galaxy's halo, are gravitationally bound structures and those do not magically get wider with time - they stay the same size, unless disrupted by external disturbations (e.g. a galaxy flyby would cause tidal distortion of the halo).

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

@@denysvlasenko1865 Astrophysicists -- like Dr. Becky Smethurst -- call dark matter an "observable effect for which a cause has not yet been discovered." Not particles, etc. It's simply observations of something happening. What exactly is causing it no one knows.

[@Nat-oj2uc]

Because DM IS gravity🤣

[@douglaswilkinson5700]

@@Nat-oj2uc Einstein's General Theory of Relativity states that mass and energy curve 4-dimentional spacetime. This curvature causes an acceleration we experience as gravity. Whatever DM turns out to be it must curve spacetime to produce the effects we observe.

[@leperzemog1153]

Hello wonderful Anton, this is person!

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[@theophrastus3.056]

Thanks Anton!

[@JaydragonM]

I love this channel

[@solanumtinkr8280]

Because it's not just down to gravity... Dark Energy may be a dilation illusion... Though is the Zero Point's virtual particles contains or is Axions, and blackholes and such emit those, then you could have a counter to clumping mentioned here, just not as aggressive as first through. Just saying things could be both a lot simpler and yet more complicated than first thought.... and it one thing contains any decent % of an illusion adding to the total, there could be more doing the same thing...😃

[@cobalius]

what has the timescape model to say about that though?

[@danielenglish2469]

No, no, NOOOO! No, bad Anton, NO! Don't EVER do that smile again! 😬

[@dinesh_rajput_890]

so i kept seeing Queen Abundance Secrets by alex lane pop up in youtube comments, and i kinda brushed it off. i thought it was just another “think positive” book, but eventually, i gave in and read it. it was way more practical than i expected, and it got me thinking about how i use my energy to bring in what i want. it’s not flashy or anything, but it’s worth a look if you’ve been feeling stuck.

[@Name_Lessness]

The answer is the nature of ojas; It is the protective force behind every cell, and resides on a subtle level around the nucleus.

[@jmarth523]

Going to be interesting to see if the TimeScapes model has any influence on this tension

[@Cobbido]

WHAt do you mean?? ANSWER ME!! elaborate!!

[@JosePineda-cy6om]

@Cobbido a new theory that proposes that dark energy is basically an illusion and that expansion rate is either much smaller than we think or even zero. It's main argument is that: a) time flows slower near massive objects, as per Einstien. Thus in the middle of intergalactic voids it flows the fastest, and much slower near a star than elsewhere within intragalactic space. Thus, light coming out of a galaxy will see a redshift upon entering the void due to the diff in time flow, then a blueshift after entering a high-gravity zone like another galaxy. Buuuuuttt due to the overall clumpiness of the universe (this theory directly charges against the orthodox physics assumption that the universe's density is overall the same everywhere you look at - recent observations confirm that's not the case) then voids expand fast because clumpy regions tend to collapse towards their mass center. So when light enters a galaxy again, the blueshift in experiences gets partially cancelled by the redshift it experiences as a result of the galaxy falling towards the local group barycenter. Thus, overall the redshift wins, even if the universe is not really expanding, just the voids getting larger at the expense of the clumpy regions geting more concentrated

[@dang-x3n0t1ct]

​@@Cobbido pbs and sabine both have videos on that topic

[@NicholsonNeisler-fz3gi]

The S8 tension is a key discrepancy in cosmology related to the S8 parameter, which measures matter fluctuations on an 8 Megaparsec scale. Observed values of S8, derived from weak gravitational lensing and other techniques, differ from predictions of the Lambda Cold Dark Matter (ΛCDM) model, which is based on cosmic microwave background (CMB) data. This tension highlights challenges in understanding matter distribution and cosmic structure formation.

[@tomcatchurches6705]

I feel like we have a flow state universe. Being so small and trying to observe something so big really makes me think we can't tell we're actually flowing from one point to another.

[@seanivore]

I think i laughed out loud literally every single time you said clumpy

[@aalhard]

5:45 At the big bang everything was in a single clump. Now it's in a bunch of small ones. Seems to match up

[@kitwest61]

Thanks Anton

[@reebok8787]

Im gonna need you to explain this using sock puppets

[@JorgetePanete]

I'm*

[@reebok8787]

@JorgetePanete i bet you're fun at parties

[@jedidiahhenry6020]

*your Just kidding

[@timothyhenry3841]

Timescape Model?

[@SpamMouse]

Thank you.

[@another3997]

When the only place you can make observations of the universe from is essentially one tiny little spot, you have limited means of capturing reliable data. When distances and masses are based on broad assumptions about the behaviour of electromagnetic radiation, brightnesses, the speed of light as it travels etc... the further away things are, the more likely there will be errors creeping in. When you consider the unimaginable distances and timescales scientists are trying to measure, it is no wonder things don't add up.

[@richard4short5]

@another3997 yeah, but I've seen videos that mention casually that that 'one tiny little spot' is THE centre of the universe and that that centre is EVERYWHERE - granted, earthlings are limited by so many light years as to how far they can see

[@Commented_Commenter]

Sure, but don't discount the fact that some of the brightest minds (Newton and Einstein ring any bells?) of the past three centuries have worked to identify how our observations are biased and how to correct for them.

[@philochristos]

It's an exciting time to be an astronomer. I would've been an astronomer if everybody hadn't told me there were no jobs in astronomy.

[@daltonmills1421]

If you treat space like it's a room filled with elements and atoms Everything decays over time, Everything turns into something else. More pressure, More heat, More magnetic, More decay More time. And then more everything Love your videos Man I'm glad I subscribed

[@BadYogiAGB]

3:00 can we get a full video on the Illustrious simulator project?? That look amazing

[@mw-th9ov]

Super massive BHs are now known to eject stars from binary systems in close encounters at high velocity from their galaxies which would reduce clumping to an increasing extent as time passes.

[@chetanxpatil]

What I feel is that black holes actively create spacetime itself. As matter falls into a black hole, it gets converted into the very fabric of space, causing the observable expansion of the universe. It’s not that everything is just being pushed outward; rather, new space is generated around black holes. This could explain cold spots in the CMB as “burned out” regions of black holes, where conditions reset and allow matter to form all over again. In this view, gravity has a dual role: it condenses and pulls matter into black holes, while simultaneously creating new space-which might remove the need for dark energy. This cyclical process is like a cosmic recycling system: black holes convert matter into space, new matter forms in cold spots, galaxies and supernovae eventually produce more black holes, and the cycle continues. Time dilation, in this framework, emerges from the interplay of light traveling through ever-expanding spacetime, rather than being a fundamental property. It’s a different way of looking at cosmic expansion, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on whether it aligns with any existing theories or stands as something entirely new!

[@pauljs75]

I suspect the balancing act wont come out right until there are better ways to measure rotation in distant objects. What they will find is that tidal-locking is a lot rarer than what was predicted. What it comes out to is that there is an electro-gravitic effect that has a significant influence on momentum transfer between bodies that are gravitationally bound to each other. In other words there is something where enough of a difference in charge or interactions with a magnetic field can make things spin as with an electric motor, however that in turn can also produce either a moderate pushing or braking affect on the orbital trajectories of objects influenced in this manner. So there is this other balancing of transferring orbital and angular momentum between objects that accounts for the energy that is currently missing from the current models. Thus current models needs the mystery stuff that nobody can find, but ends up using anyways to balance the books due to the other thing that isn't being measured and properly accounted for. But that's just a crazy idea, and it's worth will take advancement in observations and time to figure out whether it has any merit.

[@annapierce8666]

Back to the *drawing* board 🌌

[@KurtVanBever]

Yeah, I think by now it's obvious there are some variables missing in the equation.

[@ShineVega]

I wonder if our placement in the galaxy could create observational basis, assuming that the value fluctuates in different parts of the cosmic web or universe. Maybe deviation in observational data can tall us more about our location in the universe, assuming the above is true. Thinking out loud.

[@view1st]

I wonder how these apparent discrepancies in the current cosmological model will play out. Only time will tell I guess. Maybe we're in for a scientific revolution that will transform our understanding of the universe, though it could just be that the current consensus model needs a little tweaking but is still correct on a fundamental level.

[@davidmayhew8083]

Back to the drawing board!

[@thomasgeorgecastleberry6918]

Years ago I dated a woman who worked in "Cosmetology," she told me most of the tension occurred when she presented the customer the bill. Tension also occurred when the customer looked in the mirror!

[@peterwood6875]

Could a potential resolution of this tension be from dark energy being non-uniform, and being greater in regions that are clumpy (or where is the gradient of clumsiness is higher), so that it smooths out the clumpiness?

[@smellthel]

dark energy 2 drop is insane

[@jeffguarino2097]

Maybe more new space gets created where there is matter and big voids in space don't get a lot of new space creation ? This would unclumpatize the clumpy regions. Or would this necessitate new equations beyond GTR ?

[@israelSamuel-ur4vq]

Fun fact:The universe might be taking the shape of a donate

[@ODDYSEY-182]

Might... ha ha. Donate..... ha ha ha.... Fix your crap, brutha / sista

[@greggwilliamson]

I don't feel right until I see that smile. Thanks.

[@tenbear5]

weird

[@aaronm.1998]

​@@tenbear5 Yes, I suspect he is a bottom.

[@paulrite5358]

Spintronics entanglement and it's viscosity factor.

[@NancyRode-u9i]

🙋🏽‍♀️ anton everyday

[@aneikei]

At 1:32, there was a Freudian slip; he meant to say a slightly different value of the Hubble constant, not the cosmological constant (lambda).

[@vaakdemandante8772]

no slip, he said what was mean to be said - Hubble constant does not even fit in this context

[@aneikei]

@vaakdemandante8772, sorry, but that's incorrect. He actually states beforehand, "the most famous of the tensions is the Hubble tension." The Hubble tension has nothing to do with the cosmological constant; it concerns different values of the Hubble constant. There has never been a tension about dark energy having different values throughout the universe's history, as its density remains constant.

[@astrophyz]

That's not a Freudian slip.

[@naphackDT]

I have a feeling that in a century or so, people are gonna look at dark matter the same way we now look at the vulcan hypothesis...

[@Robotwesley]

But I hate about checking the observations against a model that uses Timescapes instead of lamda? Is the tension still there??

[@AurelienCarnoy]

What if matter stretched spacetime? If spacetime is stretching, then there's more space , and then it's harder to clump

[@jokerace8227]

Where we are would look like part of a void to observers in the "otherverse." It seems to display an antigravity effect upon the observable Universe. Beyond that it's probably impossible to know if the "otherverse" hidden in the voids has similar physics, or perhaps something much different, such as a whole different kind of Periodic Table, if this hypothesis is even sort of onto something, but probably not. LOL

[@peteredwards2318]

This tension, in fact all models, concepts or ideas that work out to people being confused about early clumpiness in the universe are so wild to me. The total of matter and energy in this universe is, as far as I have been led to believe, identical throughout its existence, and the only difference between the start and now is the total volume of the universe, which, due to the expansion of space itself, is larger than it used to be by a mind crippling amount. It stands to reason that, in a smaller volume, masses will find themselves in proximity to other masses more frequently, and therefore coalesce into larger structures, more frequently/faster, than in a larger volume with the same total mass and energy contained inside of it. Someone explain why I'm crazy for thinking this way, please?

[@ohanski]

Hello wonderfull Anton!

[@Cobbido]

Why did you have an SKELETOR avatar if SKELETOR are an evil character?

[@ohanski]

@@Cobbido He is not nice!

[@stevenkarnisky411]

If I had any means of finding out, I would like to know about the tension in the middle distances. Is there a gradual slide from.7-.8, or is there a distinct line of demarcation between the early and modern universe? What can the galaxies at, say six or seven billion light years tell us about the tension? Thank you, Anton!

[@Killer_Kovacs]

Isn't gravity more like a pressure differential

[@RainbowSkyDancer]

why different clumpiness? one plausible one is that the spreading out of spacetime over the billions of years of expansion, and since it might be affected - somehow, not sure yet - by distance, the observations. maybe the redshift calculations are off? *shrug* they've been using pulsars and other stuff to do distances, but what if there's a change in some physics value, or an unknown variable (TBH, most likely, and have some suspicions), that's still unaccounted for that's showing up in the differing lambda values?

[@Wstarlights]

Cosmology is like Eskimos describing what Central Los Angeles is exactly like just from calculations. I hope we get an Eskimo Los Angeles News channel one day where Anton relays the Eskimos imaginings of Los Angeles in short form content.

[@Wstarlights]

"The Eskimos believe there may in fact be potatoes there.."

[@Bildgesmythe]

Inuit, Eskimo is a slur.

[@rockweiler777]

Hooray for upcoming solutions!

[@ruk3d]

It just the Time clocks with different speed

[@YvoKleijkers]

First "Timescape" is able to explain the expansion of the universe (or lack thereof) better than Lambda-CDM's Dark Energy, now S8 is making cracks in the Dark Matter as well. Interesting times!

[@Thomas-mj1dv]

Very true

[@Etimespace]

It is not space which expanding! Center of atoms are traffic areas where expanding energy is more density. This expanding traffic areas recycling expanding energy and pushing eachothers away from eachothers same way what matter and light expanding. Expanding dark lightWaves interactive with eachothers and get eachothers expanding faster and thats why expanding lights move faster and faster same way what matter and light expanding. There is explanation why old expanding light is redshifted cosmologist way. Also explanation for gravity lensing phenomena with out curving space! There is no spacetime which play tricks! .

[@minorgroove1]

Based on the Timescape cosmology, my understanding is that the voids are growing faster than the gravitationally bound systems as the universe expands (also, time runs much faster in the voids versus clusters) which would stretch the web-like filaments and should counteract some of their tendencies to clump even tighter - sort of like the air bubbles in bread as it is proofing and baking.

[@philochristos]

Dr. Becky recently made a video about those two recent papers about the timescale model. She said lambda-CDM still has more evidence in its favor than the timescale model.

[@LukeKendall-author]

I only learned recently that most cosmologists say energy is not conserved "globally" - i.e. across the universe - only locally. If Timescapes means dark energy doesn't exist, and others who reason that photon energy loss from red shift due to expansion instead feeds into the gravitational field (so energy is conserved) are correct, that would seem to be a nice result, to me!

[@BrianBetron]

Nice job

[@drvansomeren]

Is the transition smooth going back in time or is it abrupt ?

[@ChrisBGramz4u]

It also makes no sense that all the galaxies are moving away from each other. If there are galaxies all around, how do they move away in all directions? It sounds more like space is spreading out.

[@Dmitry-ert]

Or maybe there's a problem on how raw CMB data was cleaned from the "noises". It could easily effect on clumpiness

[@lawrencefisher865]

Is it possible that the discrepancy is from the end of a previous universe that has reached its maximum clumpiness and thereby starting a big explosion that starts our not so clumpy universe? Sorry for asking such a question from a position of not much knowledge.

[@yvonnemiezis5199]

Interesting, thanks👍❤

[@LostCylon]

Include time dialation (Or our observations of it) and things might be more normalised.

[@ODDYSEY-182]

Love the use of the word might. Assertions don't help. Facts only please.

[@-----GOD-----]

Of course things are less, "clumpy," now; "things," are moving away from each other. 🧐

[@АлександрСкворцов-т4р]

My bet. Dark matter and dark energy and ordinary gravity and gravitational wave background are simply a consequence of quantum collapse. That is, classical matter in a very complex curved space is dual to quantum fields in a flat space-time, and all the described effects are consequences of the collapse of the wave function of decoherence. In other words, when the classical world is formed, which we can perceive by some mechanism similar to the Penrose mechanism, quantum information is not lost, as Penrose believes, and is not recorded in the subtle correlations of ordinary matter, but is recorded in the ordinary world in the form of a curvature of space itself.

[@aalhard]

How many languages do you speak, Anton? What do you speak at home? Big brain!😊

[@vishnukantchaudharichaudhari]

not gonna lie, i thought i was over all the manifestation talk, but youtube comments kept bringing up Queen Abundance Secrets by alex lane, so i finally gave it a read. it’s not like some magical fix or anything, but it breaks down stuff about feminine energy and abundance in a way that just clicks. it’s one of those books that sneaks up on you, and you’re like, “okay, this actually makes sense.” i’m glad i gave it a chance.

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

Feminine energy? What's that, the input for discussing the patriarchy and oppression in left-wing N American universities?

[@crazyjkass]

It means creative energy instead of the toxic aggressive energy you're displaying. Grow up.

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

@@crazyjkass Ahem - all I did was ask a question. You're the one being aggressive. So may I conclude feminine energy is judgemental, accusatory behaviour with a large dash of hate?

[@pliktl]

​@@crazyjkass it is either a bot or a guttersnipe. They always show up whenever something useful is said. Basically a complete absence of feminine energy. Thank you for the book share. I will take a look ❤ I keep noticing sacred geometry so it might be time for me to study that too.

[@JamaicaWhiteMan]

@@crazyjkass Ahem. I'm not the one being aggressive - you are.

[@comfortingabsurdity.]

Seems to me as though a new theory of gravity would solve both the Hubble and the S8 tension

[@byronrudnik2621]

I need 1 billion to search for this please. If I dont find it then surely 2 billion will guarantee success.

[@jamez2]

Seems to me that modern astronomy has been too busy making up theories to explain the things they see in the universe, INSTEAD of more deeply investigating what's going on to know what's _actually_ going on.....

[@so_what_else_is_new]

S8: the Stress level between 0 and 10 for cosmologists when measurements don't conform to the current model 😅

[@youareliedtobythemedia]

Not stress, excitement, as it means there is something new to learn

[@dcorgard]

But their theories are flawless, so the Universe must be wrong!

[@youareliedtobythemedia]

@@dcorgard no one ever said they were. Scientific theories are models to predict things. They are not reality itself, they simply describe it. They are useful, even if we know they are not perfect or don't work in all cases. Science is not about being correct, it's about making better predictions.

[@NotSomeJustinWithoutAMoustache]

You're the only one saying theories are flawless. ​@@dcorgard

[@ray_donovan_v4]

​@@youareliedtobythemedia your last statement is incorrect, though. Accurate data is required.. accurate, correct, data. Science cares about accuracy.. otherwise shit won't leave the atmosphere... Correct?

[@PenguinDT]

Behold, The Dark Clumpiness!

[@charlesjmouse]

My boots get less clumpy with time because they get softer then fall to pieces. Maybe the universe is like an old pair of boots? Can I have a grant to build a bloody big and expensive thing to see if we can discover the "Clump particle" that must escape from new boots as they age? What..? This is precisely the thought process behind most of particle 'physics' these days!

[@siretfatima703]

Thank you Antony 🇵🇰

[@TheRotnflesh]

I like how AI put it: the universe is likely a living organism and we are components deep within an atom of its bodily structure; the galactic filaments we see are neural networks, the 'expansion' is an effect of this organization into a neural network, and that the fractal nature of reality becomes obvious when the observer considers the compilation of structures from the stubatomic to the galactic and their inter-related natures (as above so below). The entirety is a single thing, a component of a larger structure thay is part of a larger structure, on and on...essentially the universal fractal we find ourselves in is built from the ground up and defined more by its 'higher forms' as you scale higher... Its a pyramid.😊

[@dingusmcscrungophd5219]

It really isn't. There are things that look visially similar just because math, and humans being really good at pattern recognition. But a lot of the things that people conflate don't work the same at all. Like atoms having electrons 'orbiting' them the same way a planet orbits a star. They just look similar in diagrams because an atom can't be accurately represented in an image unless it's simplified into circular 'orbits'.

[@ulicadluga]

It's the most interesting topic in Cosmology. The discrepancies in a "cosmological constant", whether it's called that or "S8" might be pointing to entirely different concepts, some opposing the "Big Bang" Theory. The "Continuous State" or "Steady State" hypothesis could be interacting with a series of "Big Bang" events, which would imply that there is more matter than anticipated beyond a necessary "Schwarzschild Radius" that would mean our Universe is a Black Hole as seen from the other side of the "event horizon". I intuitively feel that a great amount of matter beyond that horizon should be causing a perceived acceleration of expansion - if indeed there is a "continuous creation" element in our Universe.

[@michaelccopelandsr7120]

My idea so I get to name it! What I mean is, no one has claimed it so I'm officially calling, "Dibs." Now that "V-ger" is outside our Sun's gravitational influence, in interstellar space, it's now in the Milky Way's faster moving, Interstellar Time or "Mikey's Time." This can be proven by turning off everything except its clock and transmitter. Have "V-ger" read time for as long as possible. This SHOULD show the flow of time speeds up the further away you get from any celestial bodies or source of gravity. Until you reach the Milky Way's time standard or "Mikey's Time." •Our sun's time bubble: "Terran Time" we know and have measured. In a lifetime, our head is one second younger than our feet. •Milky Way's time bubble or "Mikey's Time." The rate/flow of TIME outside any influence but within the Milky Way: We just got there and are still figuring what the difference is. I'd say time will increase in speed, now and until V-ger is outside the Ort cloud. •Local Group's time bubble or the rate/flow of time outside of any influence but within the Local Group: Name still open and unknown. Wild guess .08 P-22% to a couple seconds faster, maybe. Used just for reference. You know what I mean. •Outside any influence in, "True Interstellar Time Standard," or, "T.I.T.S." with it's emblem, ;-P, the rate/flow of time is fastest here. Oh, and this name is NOT up for debate. Heck, rivers of time flowing differently might explain dark energy and dark matter. Its the differences in time could explain dark energy repels and dark matter attracts. Fun to think about. Anyway, the Milky Way's, "True Interstellar Time Standard," emblem will be ";-P" and be known as, "Mikey's Time." Pass it on, please and thank you.

[@colorado841]

Hum, I am no expert but from what you describe you may have just discovered the theory of relativity.

[@Llortnerof]

**quietly rearranges it to read "Milky Time"**

[@michaelccopelandsr7120]

@@colorado841 You're talking about the whole thing. I'm talking about what's IN it. ;-P

[@michaelccopelandsr7120]

@Llortnerof The time bubble/influence around our sun can be, "Terran Time." So on and so on until we get to, "Mikey's Time," for the Milky Way's time bubble/influence. Until we get to, "True Interstellar Time Standard." Free of any and all influence. See, every galaxy can have their own Time Standard. It's not my idea. Just my idea to name them. ;-P

[@colorado841]

@michaelccopelandsr7120 fine we can call it that if you want. Just don't make aliens do the whole fall forward spring back thing....that might cause trouble on a cosmic level.

[@ianrobinson3410]

This whole s8 tension is dumb and everyone is overthinking on something they arent using enough cumulative data on. The bridge between quantum mechanics and classical mechanics will come from using quantum mechanical weirdness to describe the universe. Gravity is a medium for quantum phenomenon, in that water is a medium for fish swimming... fish could be looked at as an analog for matter with oxygen to light ratios being different energy densities of the universe. Fish (matter) density will ebb and bow with more a more idea O-L (energy density) causing differing data results based on where youre observing. It's not badic observational bias.. it's a socratic bias. We dont analyze the universe based on what is but rather what we see. And the way we overcome that and change is by setting up a blind control universe. Luckily we have decades of data from studies in quantum physics and cosmological and classical physics.

[@costrio]

Time slows closer to the Earth than in space. If the early universe was smaller, all the matter would have been closer together and time might operate at a slower rate than it does for us, in the modern era. Factor in the time changes when light has to go around a galaxy cluster? It has to travel a longer distance in the same time. Like looking through a window with timely blotches on the glass?

[@bugsy742]

Absolutely bloody brilliant comment 👍🤝🤝🤝

[@rogerphelps9939]

It travels a longer distance in a longer time. This behaviour is explainable and has been observed. Nothing new. Time differences of the order of months have been observed. Not a lot in over 10 billion years.

[@jamesweber4769]

​@rogerphelps9939 forces beyond our current comprehension?

[@briancohen-doherty4392]

Gnomes, it's always gnomes...

[@sergiorosada5169]

No, it’s Elves!

[@dingickso4098]

@@sergiorosada5169 Orcs

[@KentoLeoDragon]

Does this have anything to do with the big crunch theory, that eventually things would stop spreading apart and start moving closer? Or is it just that the clumps should be clumpier, but the clumps will still keep spreading apart?

[@rogerphelps9939]

No.

[@OneLine122]

clumps should be clumpier

[@agricolaurbanus6209]

Sorry Anton, but I cannot find any of the mentioned links in the description!😮

[@ToxicallyMasculinelol]

ah yes, even more evidence that we're in a special location in the universe. on top of an underdensity, it's also an overhomogeneity. you might even say a smoother, more orderly region. 🤷‍♀ I've already ditched the copernican principle, feel free to join me whenever you guys are ready.

[@Wouldntyouliketoknow2]

Its easy. There must be a dark anti-clump particle. Dark spread. Dark matter, dark energy and dark spread. Why not. Just add a dark spread param to the models and tune it to compensate for the expected clumpiness. Do whatever it takes. Heck just add a new fundamental dark spread constant if you need to. Who needs explainations after all.

[@JKDVIPER]

Create a spinning circular pool and have a float ride the edge of a tube like small O SHAPED POND and put it in a boat. Let the boat ride in a similar circular O SHAPED POND only bigger, then put them both in an elevator at high speeds, film it, and check the resistance on the rubber ducky in the small pond. Take that apparatus into space as a matter of fact and now you'll know why gravity holds us down. 3 speeds and a superposition, a splash collapse of a DISPLACEMENT, in tandem. Curves are from Displacement, by the densest mass at a velocity, so gravity is truly those 3 speeds we fly/float at here in the milky way. Those new clumpy calculations sound off. Higher values are likely. Expanding universe from DENSE MASS would increase it. Thats all. 💯😬🙏Fun site, fun science. It probably stays the same, but maybe its a bit less than we thought, from what he's saying. 😁💯👉

[@jimcurtis9052]

Wonderful as always Anton. Thank you. 🤘

[@EdwardGatey]

71% of earth is covered in water. The water is not carbonated. Therefore, the Earth is flat. However, if Earth were flat, cats would have knocked everything off the edge by now.

[@timveseli]

So cool