More PROS CAUGHT CHEATING in CS2 Pro League? (PERA DEMO REVIEW)

[@kwispyCS]

Demo review of the match that got Consss and his team banned: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXKVgWugpp5nqqc Thanks for the support guys :)

[@AthosRac]

Really weak evidence in the demo.

[@remusgel]

Only the smoke play was weird but his teammate could have seen the guy crossing to ticket which might have caused this guy to hesitate. I’m not convinced.

[@kwispyCS]

Yeah 4:20 definitely looked sus lol. Aaron did see a guy around ticket, but that was well before Kamion even started getting clsoe to the smoke. Feel like that one looks strange no matter how you look at it, but yeah, I'm not convinced they were cheating but I'm also not convinced they weren't :D

[@calebbeard6130]

Or maybe waiting for a pop flash through ct. wither way i dont see it either.

[@DEUSVULT822]

5:20 look at that cave check hahahahahhahaha

[@kwispyCS]

Honestly didn't find that one to be unreasonable. He's already mollied it so he's just taking a quick peek to see if anyone was there and backing up before he engages in mid. I've definitely done that exact same play multiple times.

[@tolkienfan1972]

Might have been a v low sound cue.

[@armeretta]

I think that it is very unlikely that they were cheating if these are the worst clips we have. The Ct smoke push just looks like he knew that they were playing the after plant from Ct based off of obvious information, and he decided against pushing through the smoke when he realized the situation. The play where he hides under shelf is not that suspicious, the other team was on an eco and pushing mid and B, he didn't see anything mid, so the last guy is most likely coming from B. The A main push -- the only weird thing is how long he held, but anticipating two people pushing is not that crazy. In team CS it is waaay more likely for CTs to group up and push so that they can trade each other out. I think this team is legit, and that all of these clips are explainable.

[@benjaminfott42]

Yeah, and seems like nobody noticing for that A main push is that he had the bomb on him, there was 0 reason for him to solo push A main with the bomb alone

[@houseofblues9016]

i think its very likely that u cheat

[@louthelabmonster]

People change their mind at times I agree but he could have easily kept watching the original side he was looking at. The timing is what makes me suspicions, not hm falling back but also where he puts his aim he aims not where the gap is but slightly inside and that seems like he's trying to hide the fact he knows where the other guy is. If he's trying to hold a spot where the smoke ends he'd just put his X there instead he seems to be overcompensating by aligning more to the right that's what gives it away in my eyes

[@drenthedesigner]

You need to watch the whole game to understand why the pros and the fans reacted. The way Pera had a perfect read on every round in Ancient and throwing a round here or there to not get suspicious is crazy. Each critical round they needed, they had a perfect read. If these guys are legit, they are going to win the major

[@willsteps7162]

Ye that's the thing almost all the clips can be explained but the explanations sometimes are just far fetched, that's why I am saying need a really deep dive on this guy and see his patterns when noone is around and compare to when someone is around.

[@Deucely]

The thing is, with how close the game was, the mere thought of thinking the other team is cheating, is going to put you off balance enough to lose the match. So it could be pure placebo, they played themselves.

[@kwispyCS]

Absolutely a possibility! :)

[@baigpigpig]

with how close the game was, just knowing a little bit more about where your opponents are is all you need to win

[@GameeeParty]

If you watch 4:20 clip in the resolution Kamion is playing with (4:3) that movement and left turn just makes so much sense. He had to turn left to see the whole smoke to make sure noone is pushing through.

[@trencsi]

This guy gets it

[@15lp15]

even without that info it wasn´t sus. This guy is just a silver player.

[@JinSoo_cs]

@round 44: doesn't look weird to me at all. His job is to open the smoke, awper is posted up, he just has to hold the smoke in case someone is there and rigon then starts shooting way before our guy

[@JardTheRat]

4:20 is the only one that looked sus to me. everything else looked fine.

[@Kivistreet]

I agree

[@kwispyCS]

Yeah 4:20 definitely looked sus lol. Aaron did see a guy around ticket, but that was well before Kamion even started getting clsoe to the smoke. Feel like that one looks strange no matter how you look at it, but yeah, I'm not convinced they were cheating but I'm also not convinced they weren't :D

[@bobkripz8234]

not that sus imo, if you watch the clip, at 4:02 the CT player fights 2 T players at missiles. I'm assuming he has info that at least 1 more player is CT. he could be calling this and that's why the player we are spectating looks back at ct (miscommunication maybe he's assuming deep ct and reclears?) but then plays the smoke correctly before aggressing. i wish we got to see the perspective of the CT player in con/CT with this instance

[@cerealhit555]

And who asked @JaredGetz for his expert opinion on the matter? I swear social medias have completely ruined people's brain

[@JardTheRat]

@@cerealhit555 8:40 ... what is wrong with you haha

[@lyndonc6292]

Nothing in this demo really tells me they’re cheating tbh. I think that the pros that were hackusating are coping ngl. As soon as they got the idea in their head that he was cheating they lost mentally

[@kwispyCS]

Yeah that's definitely a possibility! Did you watch the full demo?

[@virality9581]

They lost mentally because their opponents knew every move. They push, opps knew, they hold - opps knew, literally do anything THEY KNEW. Wouldn't you get frustrated on being countered on every play?

[@lyndonc6292]

@@kwispyCS I watched the ancient demo, only saw clips of the mirage one. There were a few plays where some good reads happened- I think on round 5 or 6 for example when they had most of their resources toward the B bomb site expecting a push there in the 3v3. I honestly could be wrong but to me it doesnt seem that fishy.

[@lyndonc6292]

@@kwispyCS from what I can see on the mirage clips you showed in the video, the pistol round doesnt seem sus to me, just because BNE usually likes to hit A site on pistol, but there were 3 showed in apps, probably some excited comms there as well. With the smoke play on Kamion, it seems like he's debating pushing through the smoke but decides not to and watches at an angle where he can see both sides of the smoke for a push. On a lot of these kinds of clips where they seem to be waiting for a player to push a certain angle , their reaction times are not that great as well where I feel like if they knew their angle was being pushed it would be a lot faster (example 7:15)

[@D4XNI]

@@kwispyCS Weakest "cheat" clips I have ever seen. Can literally explain every single one of them in a matter of seconds. There is just so much more information available in a team setting and at a higher level of gameplay than people are used to in their dogshit low elo low quality games, that they cant even fathom. The fact that people can't even understand the ct smoke play on mirage, and why that smoke should be alarming is bothering to me, like do these people have any basic reasoning skills or what?

[@Medere76]

Son, your KZbin edits are top-notch. Keep it up, success is inevitable

[@kwispyCS]

Thank you! I really, really appreciate it! :) Started just 3 months ago with no idea how to make or edit a video so that's super nice to hear lmao

[@pauloferreira1319]

If we start calling everyone cheaters, it kinda loses its meaning...

[@albertkkim]

You don’t think he cheated? Just asking. I think the nuke secret one was sus but idk.

[@ppstorm_]

t1 pros have been cheating on lan for a long long time, sorry to burst your parasocial bubble kiddo

[@calenanderson7888]

This statement serves literally zero purpose, condescending for no reason and doesn’t even relate to the original comment?

[@aleksihiltunen7063]

@@ppstorm_name one

[@kwispyCS]

That's definitely true

[@TheTIGSY]

The weirdest one to me is the mirage ct with the smoke, but honestly it looks like he started double guessing himself about pushing through the smoke. Like he simultaneously had the thought (or had somebody in his ear saying) "I should push this smoke and hard push the retake" but also "Somebody is going to hard push this smoke to try catch me on the retake" And just couldn't decide which one to commit to

[@kwispyCS]

Definitely a hell of a read if he's expecting someone to come through that smoke. I'm assuming he knows GNE's tendencies a lot better than I do, but that feels like such an irregular play to me :)

[@DISPIQERI]

He waited for the first guy to push out of smoke and immediately rush tu kill other two even tho he didn’t have info were they were 🤔 i play this game and know a cheater when i see and he was definitely the one of them

[@willsteps7162]

Yeah I can agree but still if you were in that situation worried about a smoke push wouldn't you just go inside ct spawn and hold a better angle on the some while not beeing exposed when smoke fades so you can just repeek?

[@smathgt8538]

Exactly he just read the enemy thats all kamion has plenty of experience he carried against nip in cs2 and nobody said a thing back then.

[@Cosm1c1]

@@DISPIQERI he rushed the other 2 after they were known, you can see the guy closest to him get hit and the guy that looks like his playing default swing to help his team mate. Theres nothing to say they are cheating or some could be sus or explained by vod review bne has vods out since they were able to beat some t1 teams so it would make sense to watch what yo can to get an advantage

[@aviationmonkey]

feel like I’m maybe a little biased with all the pros flat out saying PERA is cheating, but to me it does look like they did.

[@ilkkuPvP]

5:33 He knows last one is B, because teammate saw him site at the start (peeked ramp). Couldn't come from A main

[@yorickberger6444]

It’s also logic. If they’re 3mid dead, 1 cave dead, the last must be B site. 3Mid/2B is a normal default

[@PrimoPatzz]

This feels like another instance of "crisp, clean locks boiz" The first dude got banned cool. Let's not make this a fucking witch hunt now.

[@baigpigpig]

lol bro, every sport is full of cheaters except csgo? you sick in the head

[@bboyx95]

​@@baigpigpig checking for cheaters should be a 100% focus 24/7!

[@grn_hous]

1:33 they saw 3 people inside apartments and 2 smokes come from t apps. On pistol round theres a 99.99% chance thats the site theyre going to run but sure

[@kwispyCS]

I don't disagree :) Clips intentionally start out pretty casual and get more sus.

[@Bleezeyy]

if you listen closely when watching the demo around 5:25, you could hear SENER1 running for just a moment, which could've been heard by Aaron, but this clip is not that suspicious in my opinion, if PERA deciced to watch demos of GE there is a good chance they knew that SENER1 is an B player. However, the only clip that I personally think is suspicious is 4:20, but I think this also could be explained. Aaron has seen SENER1 crossing towards ticket, which prompted Kamion to look out for the possibility of that smoke push. Now, important note here, Kamion is playing on a 4:3 aspect ratio, and if you watch the demo in 4:3, you simply cannot see both sides of the smoke if yoU're that close to it, which could explain why Kamion decided to move his mouse towards the left side. It's still suspicious, but I find it highly unlikely that if any cheats were used ESL, PGL, and Valve all decided to not do anything about it.

[@xXG3TPWNEDXx]

One thing I always think about. Usually when people come around corners both players have a delay until their reaction kicks in. ( when there is no info like audio or something). Obviously some are quicker than others and reaction times aren't consistent but that little span of time until both players have that "oh shit" reaction and start shooting. When I see clips where one guy is shooting so quickly like he was anticipating the other to come around the corner via wall hack or something then I think its quite obvious. Of course 1 time is not enough to say for sure but when a player is consistent with this behavior and you can tell his opponents are not getting the same information to decide when to shoot so quickly its apparent someone is cheating. Same thing when they are consistently getting the good angle and getting those little micro adjustments just before the opponent breaches the threshold of the corner or doorway.

[@postagestamplicker6527]

look at 7:16. he is holding the right angle, sure, but his pre-aim isn't great for the peek that's actually coming, and his spray is far from clean as it would be if he'd anticipated it precisely. every single other clip in his other video was more damning than all of these together.

[@minime886]

so basically there is no proof at all

[@kwispyCS]

I guess you can call it circumstancial evidence lol

[@efesxdd]

exactly bro is just yapping

[@smathgt8538]

Exactly

[@Ne0LiT]

Absolutely NOTHING suspicious here. Not even the CT smoke? How many times has it happened to any of you here, to look behind even though you have a teammate there, you just weren't sure of their exact position for a moment so you just looked behind or at your radar(or both) just to be 100% sure? Then just holding a smoke instead of pushing it? I mean he has no idea if somebody else is just sitting right on the other end of the smoke and waiting for him to push or if someone is pushing the smoke. His teammate died moments before he went out of jungle towards CT and his teammate saw a T pushing, so for all he knew that person could have just been waiting for him on the other end of the smoke or could be pushing through the smoke. I personally wouldn't have pushed blindly, especially given that I have no utility. He had no flashes or nades to give himself an advantage in order to push through the smoke, so he just held back. Normal play imo. The next clip, could have very well just been his team having info on the guy being on B site. As you can hear the shots from behind him, someone shooting an AK at B site, but there is nobody at B site besides the "SENER1" guy, so he's probably in a gunfight with the person shooting the AK. So he just banked on the guy pushing just like his teammates did. But you'd need to show the POV of the "SENER1" guy for more context, to see if he was in an actual gunfight, or if there was just a smoke which the other T sprayed randomly into, or if he was just trying to randomly wallbang into B site.

[@kwispyCS]

"How many times has it happened to any of you here?" completely irrelvant imo. Pro play is so different to casual players :) In CT Mirage it's not just about him not pushing the smoke and holding it - it's about all the moves the makes in the situation. You can discern from the footage that sener1 was not fighting or you can watch the full demo. All in all, no one clip is incredibly sus on it's own. But all of these clips and more from one match is a little interesting. Again - as concluded in the video - I'm not convinced they were cheating, but a lot of people wanted to see a breakdown of the match.

[@Ne0LiT]

@@kwispyCS It is relevant. Professional CS or not, it is a humane thing to have doubt and double-check. Plus just to be perfectly clear, these teams in the video are not exactly Tier 1 teams we're talking about now, are we? So such things would be even more plausible. Also, how many times have you seen in professional CS, players dying in stupid ways that they could have easily avoided by double-checking? Many times. Even in professional CS.

[@Fraximusen]

Great video and i do appriciate that you don't call 100% cheats but actually try to see it both ways. What many people lack in cs is patience. And i think many of the clips from the last match is just that, patience. They know that a rotate is most likely to come to try refrag.

[@queqoc]

You are going places with this content dude keep it up fr

[@queqoc]

By the way what microphone do you have ? it really sounds amazing

[@kwispyCS]

Thank you brother! Truly appreciate that :)

[@THEDOCTOR304]

Ive been observing demos for over a decade including cs source era. What I have learned is that in a case of doubt you always lean towards innocence. Only really suspicious scene is the scene at 7:50 but it could be explained that dgl noticed that he has been stuck in the smoke colliding with the CT which would be an insanely fast communication but you never know. You cannot deny that most of these scenes happen in a very similar way to almost every pro.

[@inflammatorycommentswithno2407]

Nah youre right he was clearly colliding with the CT and couldve easily communicated that. None of these clips are glaring proof

[@hectordsd]

I can find only two suspicious plays. But they could still have cheated in other less suspicious ways. Something like turning on wall hacks only at the beginning of each round just to have a glimpse of where the enemy is running. For me they are just cheating smarter For example if the enemy team is rushing or how many

[@NotThatJojjo]

There is only 1 clip here where they mightve cheated, and its the ct smoke on mirage clip.

[@katadromeasgr]

The dgl round with deagle at the start is enough lmao. Amateurs cheating is always hilarious. Let me explain. What he does is something "we" used to do back in the day while wallhacking. It is a subconscious act of holding a "legit" angle while tracing. He is 50% aiming in the wall in front of him pretending to be checking the entire area in front of him for a T. But he's also switching 50% to holding a dumb angle on the side waiting for the T he's tracing. There is no point for him to do it. He does it when he traces the T, it's sort of a reflex. In reality there is no reason to do it, as he "blinds" himself from the area he's supposedly waiting for the T. Trace, angle, trace, angle. The issue is the T is taking too long so he eventually - like the amateur he is - gives up and proceeds to peek him but the peek is so awful he dies. A normal player would peek and spam instantly as he's expecting it. A cheater who is tracing someone will always wait a few ms to react, it's sort of a reflex too, especially when he (thinks) is on an advantageous position (he's got the spot, T has to exit and check multiple spots). That round alone, even tho it isn't enough to ban someone, is enough to flag.

[@papanoj6232]

So let me break it down: 1- Players at this level can call the full exec when they see 3 players + nades coming in, meaning it would probably be a b hit. 2- DGL with the deagle, that spot is usually played by standing up every once in a while to peek it quickly and get a quick headshot incase you catch someone walking out or peeking. 3- on the boost, porya is watching the the ladder area, so even if there are players there he can see them and trade, while kamion is more worried about someone playing delpan or bench as those spots are usually used to watch short. 4- adjusts angle next to smoke because of smaller resolution 5- 1v1 Aaron knows sener1 is the b player so he would wait for him (for like 20 secs) and then he would go b if he didn't push assuming sener1 went through ct fast to beat him to A. 6- Aaron's teammate on mid already started coming back to join him in the A split, so he had to hold the angle until that (especially knowing he had the bomb), and he got rewarded. 7- Rigon starts shooting and bullet tracers come out of the smoke before it is cleared with the nade. 8- teammate on cave already calling there's no movement on B and also, usually players call gaps ( in this case b door) which has to be checked since number 8 doesn't have it covered incase of a push.

[@welldoneguugle6259]

there was no cheating involved in that demo you looked in this video. Consider a fact that pro csgo players might have something involve for boosting the sound of player walking. For example in that smoke scene where he could something coming out from it, he was so confused where the sound coming from. I would suspect him, if he aimed the player model whole time. In this point of view its regular gold nova 1 rank play against silvers. Everything else is aim practice.

[@zapsniff]

I have no words. If this constitutes proof of cheating, where the fk is flushas ban. They might be cheating, I have no clue. But, none of these clips come even remotely close to pointing out cheats. You can literally do the same thing with any replay, and if you watch with the same lense, you'll come to the same conclusion.

[@kwispyCS]

I've played about 6k hours and I've watched a lot of demos. I agree that this isn't proof of cheating, which I also mention in the video, but you cannot do the same thing thing with any demo.

[@iDoPew]

I'm absolutely with you on Consss, but here... man... I seriously don't see anything obvious. The reconsideration on the smoke really is the only thing that could be fishy if it happened more than what can be labeled as pure coincidence.

[@katadromeasgr]

The smoke round is hilarious. He is trying to push through and trace the guys. He is using the right angle to a) theoretically be logical in his approach, limit the amount of exposure and b) to not bump into them and strafe-kill them once he clears the smoke. The issue is one T decides to push instead of double team, which he doesn't expect. So he does the back-forth shenanigans, waiting for the T to be just visible and strafe-kill him. Once he does tho, he does one thing all cheaters do... he takes out his knife haha. That's a reflex they all do once they "clear" the area, although he doesn't know it and shouldn't think of it as there are 2 of them and he's at the site. No one would take their knife out there. It's the little details 😂 I'm pretty sure if I came back to cheat (I'm a child of God now so I don't do it) with 2-3 old mates we would probably win the entire event. Probably.

[@Nate_the_Nobody]

4:40 99% sure that clip alone gives him away as a hacker, why would you start to walk into the smoke, stop, back peddle, and then look to your left as if you heard something even though the guy in the smoke is walking? I'm confident that him stopping and then snapping left was him jumping the gun before he could have possibly seen the guy in smoke He was unusually "cautious" for that one guy but then when he gets his kill he then instantly runs through the smoke "without knowing" that someone else isn't in the smoke Rule of thumb is always, if there is one, there are two, if two, three, etc etc

[@kwispyCS]

A few people have given some possible (although not super likely imo) explanations in other comments :)

[@GranitAFJ]

4 people on their team, including their coach, transferred from a team called "Rubik" that pretty much lost all their games besides some matches against lower tier teams but they join "Pera" and instantly start matching the skill of major qualifiers and even beating guild twice. I watched the 2nd game with Guild live, the whole game it was like they were perfectly maneuvering their way around the map and around Guild which the live chat was also calling out that bs timing. They were also anticipating flanks they couldn't have possibly had info on, standing in front of smokes holding it like they know someone will come shift walking out of it at that moment instead of holding down the site, clearing an angle and then randomly going back and holding that same angle with no calls or sound anticipating a push at the exact moment they're about to swing. It's too many "good timings" and "coincidences" back to back to just brush off especially for a team with a roster of former dumpster players.

[@smthsmthsmthsmth1825]

At 4:11 he is not "checking behind him" he is simply turning from flashes. They know SENER1 is CT since he killed MSN and they did a deep CT smoke. Kamion knows there is a guy in CT and he is just turning from a flash.

[@bermudatriangle94]

I like your logical explanation, I will subscribe, really enjoyed that video, usually youtubers don't bother putting effort

[@kwispyCS]

Thank you brother, I really appreciate that!! :) A little interesting how poorly PERA is performing at the RMR (LAN) right now

[@frownn]

i dont really play cs and i got you recommended and im astounded how low your sub count is for the quality of these videos. keep makin em

[@kwispyCS]

Thank you brother, that means a lot! :) It's at around 500 now, but I only started 3 months ago with no idea of how to make a video and the sub count was literally like 175 just a few days ago so finally making some good progress!

[@rasputin7633]

The only questionable clip I saw was the smoke in ct stairs. Him backing up and repositioning his crosshair was odd to say the least. I still wouldn’t issue a ban based on that alone. I do think it’s good to have a presence here though. People who cheat at a pro level need to be aware of all eyes are watching and scrutinizing every single sketch play.

[@Legitti]

He looking back at the murder hole was playing anti flash

[@kwispyCS]

It's a possiblity and a fair point, but why play anti-flash for half a second unless you hear util getting thrown?

[@dennis_benjamin]

@@kwispyCS and also why turn that far away? looking to the left would completely suffice here.

[@Fyr35555]

3:20 you'd probably get a sound queue if someone did this but sometimes if you have good spawn players like to run up into the close corner ahead of where he threw a molotov, so the nade really doesn't seem too out of place if there is that possibility. It also would then make sense why the other player jump spots after the molotov, incase there was someone there trying to walk out and catch a timing.

[@Fyr35555]

Also his team mate seems to have started towards van rather than short so it would be more likely they cant rely on a sound queue of someone running up into that corner than if he was close short listening for info.

[@CanadasElite]

Cheating in tournaments have happened before, even in person. Backing out of the smoke was sussy, especially with the flick towards the guy while he can't see him in the smoke.

[@MrKimchisGaming]

3:10 Idk why this is even in the video (not defending them in general) and just want to point out that when you hit someone with a nade theres a sound cue that lets you know if you hit or dmg'd someone with ur nade or shots. SENER1 goes from 100 to 80/60 HP off of the HE Grenade hit. (i cant really see if its a 8 or 6 rn) Either way

[@kwispyCS]

Yeah theres nothing wrong with the deep nade from msN. I'm talking about the nade kamion throws from getright when they know seneri is behind the moly and the nade won't go deep enough to hit him. But either way that play is no biggie as I mention in the video.

[@yessire444]

I wanted juicy clips, this just normal cs tf dawg

[@aNc1esta]

The problem with those scenarios is that you can easily answer to them, I think those clips are 50/50 they can be easily explained thats the problem (explained mean by : awarness,read etc..). From my prespective I think only suspicisious clip was on anubis when he didint react to the mid guy but other then that seems legit.

[@frexx4775]

Honestly it doesn’t seem like PERA is cheating at all, i just think They are pretty good players with mabye unusual playstyles which is putting alot of teams off. When a unknown team plays well against someone good They almost always gets cheating accusations, and i think this is one of those cases

[@funkmasterkirk]

4:10 - The look back was sus in itself, no one is in B, he just came from murder hole and his team mate is in con, so the fact that he turns his back on a potential post plant push from A SITE is very odd in itself.... in combination with that FULL REVERSE into the smoke... How often do people half ass walk through smoke only to go, Nahhh.... I should hold this angle even though BOMB IS DOWN AND TICKING... and to be honest... T's typically wont push their own smoke when the bomb is planted, so the anticipation of someone actually pushing is wild to me. This all in combination looks very very shady.

[@funkmasterkirk]

Okay, I wanted to add that... he turns his back on that smoke, cause he doesn't expect anyone to push that smoke...BUT ... He stops walking into that smoke because... HE EXPECTS A PUSH FROM THE SMOKE. None of that makes any sense esp from a consistent play style, this is all reactionary playstyle and trying to hide some tracks.

[@kwispyCS]

I agree. That sequence really got me thinking as well :) One of the main reasons why I'm really leaning towards thinking they were in fact cheating.

[@Cosm1c1]

r12 the smoke play was strange but if the igl called a save it makes sense of why he would walk back and the adjustment could be to account for 4:3 to make sure he can more easily track him if he is on the screen for longer. r3 on ancient isnt really sus since bne is now a known team, vod review could tell you who plays where and if its only the hard b anchor i probably would hold something like that a for a bit, could have also had a call from his team mates that saw 2 b earlier since we dont see the entire round, nor the others perspectives r42 unless bne was constantly pushing smokes which I dont remember them doing a lot of its a bit weird to hold where rigon is and not more towards mid

[@papaajm6090]

Dont let your sub count deter you man! You are killing it! Doing a service getting this out there to people who might not watch all of these.

[@kwispyCS]

Thank you! Means a lot. Right now it's anything but deterring me since it's like tripled in the last few days and I also only started 3 months ago. But thanks again - been a lot of people saying lately they're suprised the sub count is so low which is really appreciated :)

[@Maneatingant_official]

I might be biased because I am hungarian, but I don't think we'd blow our 1 chance at having a team out on the major by cheating, the mirage ct smoke clip was indeed a bit sus but all the other clips had reasonable answers

[@kwispyCS]

One could also say they wanted to make sure they secured it by cheating, no? :D But yes, I'm open to the idea that they didn't. But I think I'm leaning the other way

[@okdeadend]

well for the video you released the other day it was pretty fishy but nothing there

[@kwispyCS]

I agree. This one is much less sus to me as well, but a lot of people were asking for a look at this match :)

[@1bird_d]

CT pistol on mirage: there are three people spotted coming apts with nades over apts popping, what else could the CTs do but rotate? unless it's a sneak pistol to plant bomb out of palace, which could be played in low tier, but people would accuse them if they held for that too so 🤷‍♀ round 3 on ancient, they have prep as it's a qualifier, so they know the positions of each player and he makes a gamble that this player was in fact playing on B that round round 40 might be suspicious but he has the wherewithal to know that he is solo with bomb and the only way his team loses the round is if the second A player pushed A main also and solo kills him with bomb round 44 the dude literally starts shooting before the T reacts, don't understand how that is suspicious. the awper checking spawn is a bit strange though, this could be radar

[@dxheza]

It's not about these clips that we have dude, it's about having all the info, having 4 ppl at the site that is being attacked, attacking without fear the site that has one or none holding it. To give an opinion about this match, you have to look only at the radar, not their plays.

[@walczak9862]

Are these events in person? Why are the tournament leaders not providing the pcs and making absolutely sure nobody installs hacks before a game? I feel like if they had control over everyone’s computers and didnt allow players to touch them until they sat down to play this would make it harder for people to cheat

[@kwispyCS]

No, unfortunately this tournament was online which obviously makes it way easier for cheaters. Only solution for online unfortunately seems to be live video feed of both the PC screen(s) as well as a camera with a full view behind the players. Obviously this should just go to tournament organizers - we don't necessarily have to see it.

[@rjgamer0297]

@@kwispyCS a pc screen share can't be useful beacause cheats above 5 dollars have the antiobs config which avoids detecting it while screensharing.

[@baigpigpig]

yea they don't take any precautions

[@mcdeclanlavery3859]

Congratulations on 1,000 subscribers 🙌

[@kwispyCS]

Thank you brother!! :)

[@kev1nho097]

On the first clip, it wasn´t sus, because the other players were throwing nades into the B site and you can see smokes and flashes coming. So first clip wasn´t sus for me.

[@kwispyCS]

True. But they could've rotated after throwing util since they didn't see bomb :) Not saying it was particularly sus - could just be a gamble. Clips intentionally get more sus deeper into the video.

[@kev1nho097]

Agreed.@@kwispyCS

[@shartman170]

3:28 I don’t think this is very suspicious. There has been many times where a CT player throws a moly in apps which separates 1 or 2 guys from the rest of the team so a grenade like that could help soften the 1 or 2 players that made it past the molly.

[@kwispyCS]

Yeah not super sus in itself - but I gotta include more than just the 2-3 most sus plays, both to make more compelling case one way or the other, and to make a video with a little bit of length of course :)

[@wsxdeee]

This is even worse than when people thought flusha cheated. At least he locked onto people through walls. You are just yelling cheats at the first sus timing you see. Kinda cringe ngl

[@kwispyCS]

Definitely worse than flusha, I agree :)

[@Elevatorisbest]

Despite my Guild Eagles bias, while I can’t say for certain that they cheated, I think that they were at the very least suspicious, and the backstory of some of the Pera players do not make it any better. I am glad that some pros did back up Eagles on the accusations, but unfortunately like DonHaci pointed out, if they did radar hack, what can you do about that? Even more so that ESL is clearly not interested in the allegations.

[@kwispyCS]

I'm really not convinced either way and yes, it's super unfortunate that there is a way they could've cheated with no risk of getting detected, cause now we'll never know the truth one way or the other.

[@nzx9796]

I honestly think he toggles and does weird stuff to mix it in, that smoke play and lock on was to convenient.. then Pushs perfectly...

[@n4thanfv]

on 44 rounds only 3/4 clips? If they were i think there would be more suspicious clips

[@kwispyCS]

Nah there are more, but if the video is too long I figure too many people will eventually click off and the video unfortunately ends up getting shown to fewer people.

[@jespernielsen7618]

5:42 SENER1 made a sound clue, because he picked up his teammate's MP9 (you can see Sener holding a Deagle). So Aaron had a 100% intel on his opponent

[@kwispyCS]

Picking up a weapon doesn’t make sound 😅

[@jespernielsen7618]

@@kwispyCS Apparently, I haven't known picking up items, while walking makes a hearable sound 😆. Ty for pointing out

[@taavetti13]

3:50 also like to point out that sometimes I want to do a thing, (throwing a smoke, nade etc.) teammate infos something that indicates I shouldn't do that like a second early, but because I'm commited in my brain to do it I let go anyway

[@kwispyCS]

But you're also not pro lol. That said, nothing too crazy about that clip :) as mentioned, could easily just be poor comms.

[@pc-dc4gm]

The problem with these types of videos is that you're already convinced they're cheating so your own bias will push you that way

[@adamostman3509]

A bit of a stretch specially if you compare these clips to some of s1mple highlights or another great cs2 player.

[@qlintenFX]

why is it not obligated to record the screen of the players?

[@kwispyCS]

Should be :)

[@monkthedj]

from a few matches earlier kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIDJo4x6ibyHbpY

[@JohnHilton-dz4mi]

Because that wouldn't do anything.

[@unluckos]

first clip completely normal, he spotted 3 and he got 2 flashes on him so even if he noticed one flash that meant 4 on b so its almost obvious that it is full b

[@LonelySidTheSloth]

Well from my expierience the best way to find cheaters if not sure is to look at how much time they spent looking at angles or possitions where no ones there, i mean just think of any regular player we all spend time a bit of time worrying about positions where enemy player might be , holding angles wheres nothings happening but we think someone might be coming Shifting or might peek us from there and so on

[@karlkarlsson9126]

That's the key. Cheating is a superpower that not even the best professional player has. Cheaters always have the advantage of actually knowing, therefore their play-style becomes "too good", and will be noticeable overtime.

[@thecarrotsarecoming4711]

On paper these are just pros getting good timing but a couple of the clips felt like manufactured timing

[@Goose8585]

Personally it didn't feel that sus. There was the smoke play but one sus play in a series is really not even something i could consider cheating. Would be nice to have any official matches mandatory "sharing" of voice comms with officials only, so we could rule out some calls and info being relayed via voice if that's reasonable.

[@kwispyCS]

Yes! Would be super helpful if they shared the teamspeak! :)

[@S4NSE]

I love this content, keep it going 😭

[@Blazey547]

PERA Esports qualifies for esl pro league while cheating, this game is fucked. is not worth playing anymore, i fell bad for Guild eagles and ikla.

[@kwispyCS]

Should become obvious once they're on LAN if they did in fact cheat :)

[@gzymm]

c’moon did u see them playing on lan ? they were really lvl 5 no reading game no insta peek no nothing,ofc on online they can be super pro im talkong about Peradar

[@gordonneverdies]

Wether it's true or not the paranoia caused by bad anti cheat is killing the game. Also reacting to cheating allegations with clown emojis is not a good look.

[@kwispyCS]

Yeah that's unfortunately true, though I don't think CS will "ever" die. The clown emojis were from a another pro in an allegation just FYI :)

[@gordonneverdies]

@@kwispyCS Ohh thanks for clarifying that. I thought it was the person being accused.

[@valon217]

People saying there are no sus clips or only 1-2. Just watch the whole match and you understand it. Not 1 Pro Team in the worlds get's every crucial timing for them. PERA certainly got every timing and every push, every play you would consider risky they got it right because they had info. I'm 100% certain. This can't be a coincidence over 2 maps on almost every play. If you watch a lot of Tier 1 CS people should know that. They know what they are doing, they are known for matchfixing. They know how to act to not look sus. You need to watch the whole Maps as and not scenes as such. Another thing that wasn't shown in this Video is the T-Sides of Guild on Acient in OT, they stacked B every Round and let A basically open everytime. And Guild played for B most of the Time. If they would have done an A rush, sure it would have been a coincidence that they would've Stack A. Kinda sad they didn't do it because that would had made it from 99% to 100% for me. So many pros agrreing with Flatro is also a sign, they know the Game the best. Sadly you can't do nothing and we will have to see for the RMR.

[@Dodo-rb4zf]

You can destroy someone's career with these accusatory videos Cherry picking "weird" rounds isn't a valid argument It seems we're back to CS 1.6 with the empty allegations...

[@kwispyCS]

Enough rounds in a single match to not be cherry picking imo. And I'm not making any accusations. I literally concluded in the video that I'm on the fence myself :)

[@bobkripz8234]

no way you think anyone was cheating in this game. i would only accuse players of cheating with 100% certainty. these reads seemed pretty normal for a high level team, you're just over analyzing things that are SLIGHTLY sus out of 1/xxxx matches. we're missing so much context without comms. the other pro that was banned OBVIOUSLY had crazy reads/timings that was indicative of walling, but in these cases? nothing was that out of the ordinary.

[@kwispyCS]

I agree. Didn't accuse them of cheating. I literally stated that I can't say that I feel certain that they cheated, but if you forced me to guess I'd probably have to say yes. This one is much less sus to me as well, but a lot of people were asking for a look at this match :)

[@PrettyDevilEyes]

Analyzing the video clips you have showed the Mirage smoke situation seemed bit weird to me, although it could simply be a smart play because they were aware of an enemy near CT. Additionally, having crosshair placement towards the middle of the smoke is not uncommon, possibly indicating a desire to check for any opponents pushing from the smoke while waiting for it to dissipate, and to establish good crosshair placement for the situation after the smoke clears. In my opinion, they did not cheat. Similar to AlexiB, who at times exhibits suspicious behavior, it's likely attributed to gamesense. The game, in my view, appears to involve skillful reading of certain situations.

[@GreekGoat_Coffee]

0:10 the shadow man breaking into my house ( The FBI raiding me)

[@kwispyCS]

Lmfao :D

[@flori3402]

That mirage play looks suspicious since he kinda flicks to seneri even tho he doesn't see or hear him then backs off a tiny bit and kills him . Goes out bad crosshair placement kills the 2nd guy and then tracks the last guy through the box and kills him . The aron clip on ancient feels a bit suspicious but could be that they took a gamble since seneri usually plays b on ancient and he was last alive for guild eagles

[@hastyrecon2899]

That first round rotate aint sketch. He sees three, and util is raining over. Meaning at least 4 are apts. You don't see the plant fakes in pro play like you do in pugs

[@OvidiuMuresan93]

4:45 first aimlock :) then enemy peeks out smoke

[@instaboss_]

At least he wasn’t spinning

[@kwispyCS]

Lmfao can you imagine :D

[@rjgamer0297]

Nice video, you should analize more matches of pera esports, they played against movistar koi on anubis and some of the players have strange timings and their crosshair randomly locks at some point and it could be a bug of aimlock that is keybinded.

[@kwispyCS]

If I look into PERA anymore there's a large handful of people at this point that's ready to hunt me down in real life I think lol :D

[@rjgamer0297]

@@kwispyCS why?

[@kwispyCS]

Idk man - some people getting mad that I'm offering my opinion, saying that I'm destroying careers, even though I actually concluded that I was not convinced they're cheating lol :D

[@tomb1124]

please keep making content, I wouldn’t worry about them they only see the title and don’t actually watch the content. That’s just my 2cents.

[@FizzyToni]

Pretty much nothing here was sus let alone convincing

[@yaitsCAM]

1:47 the first clip i feel is a bad example because the guy saw 3 players and 2 smokes fly over as he died. calling a full rotate there is pretty smart and i wouldnt base a full hackusation of that. ofc you have other examples that one just didnt feel needed

[@feelingnether158]

I have never played cs go ever in my entire life. But as a complete random on the internet, i can say with certainty that ive no fucking idea mate. For some reasons its entertaining as fuck.

[@kwispyCS]

Lmaoooo :D

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

I don't like manual reviews and trying to guess if its cheating or not. Your last one wasn't that convincing, this one is even worse. None of it is objective, its all subjective "Well most pros check corners X way, so he MUST be cheating". Way way too subjective. If someone is going to be banned from pro play, it better come from anti-cheat picking up some direct evidence on the machine.

[@kwispyCS]

I'm not here to ban anyone brother :) I'm here to make videos for entertainment and I'm giving my 2 cents - that's all. Completely fair that you don't like it. Thanks for the comment.

[@A1_Oxyde]

On the A push in Ancient they had 2 players red room heldong a guy CT, one holding donut and him holding A main, they probably expected more than 1 player there On the first ancient clip, enemy team was on smg buy so assuming a 2 mid 3 b split take isn’t something crazy The CT play on mirage seems weird ngl but his team mate *could* have seen him going ticket, not sure why he flicked on the left side and some point tho

[@xlgapelsin6173]

They basically had complete map control on the A main push except for the sites so yeah

[@rhandycs]

the only thing that makes them look somewhat suspicious is the fact they seem god awful at the game. if you told me we're spectating some random premier game i'd also believe it.

[@You_Do_Care]

I don’t get walling in the pro scene lol, like you either have to play so cautiously that you actually end up playing worse to not get caught. Or you’re blatant and get banned, there’s no winning. A slight aim hack without walls would take them further, and I’m sure there’s already some doing this going undetected.

[@wycleefjoubert3211]

fun fact dgl was in a team called genone which is a little french org, and dgl told his teammates that pera members are some cheaters and he thought it was very funny. Everybody knows they're cheating

[@ELGUAPOIV]

The fact that this many pros are getting exposed should tell you that there are probably 3-5 cheaters in every pub game you play.

[@kyriee03]

that mirage ct smoke looks weird but in all honesty i just assume he was waiting for the smoke to fade, since he seemed to be pre-aiming ticket before sener1 pushed the smoke. all in all its just dumb.

[@JackHarb89]

I think the mirage smoke is really sus. The rest could be just good timing or luck. But it's not enough for definitive proof. But the smoke is really sus.

[@AZooKeeper]

Now coming from an outside perspective knowing nothing about these events, do the competitors bring their own computers or are they given designated computers which couldn't be tampered with?

[@kwispyCS]

This was an online event, so the players are either playing from home or possibly team offices. They run anti-cheat software but it's worthless.

[@markbryan8829]

if this happen alot on pro matches, just imagine whats happening in premier just sad

[@reman1166]

First round: It's 50/50 is it A or B and they gambled it with 4 stack on A.

[@goddagogeddagabbagool]

I'm sorry...are we not all seeing the same clips where the suspect is staring directly at a solid wall with no features, and tracking the enemy group flawlessly right up till the point of contact, in which THEN the suspect begins movement and getting ready? How are you guys saying not cheating?

[@kwispyCS]

Are you talking about the Mirage Bench clip on B? If so, I believe he's playing anti-flash :)

[@endrittmava5961]

Pera never made a mistaken on rotations and stuff, they never leave sites where they shoildn't and stuff like that. So 0 mistakes, no one does that

[@TacoGabeMi]

The last clip looks like a call was made to go b since when the awper looks spawn everyone else was running that direction and also the fact a guy was cave already. Chances are they didn’t cheat because I feel a lot of this can be explained as the worst clips not showing much.

[@CSGOPSR]

A smilar game is in the process of been built.

[@h0ly115]

5:30 I'm sure he heard him going inside cave.

[@drenthedesigner]

He’s shifting in cave, and know one peeked B to get info about him

[@h0ly115]

@@drenthedesigner He started shiftig after the reload. At this Point you would clearly hear him enter cave.