Milwaukee M12 Fuel Installation Driver - The Good and Bad after 2 years of use.

[@1972landcruiser]

I'm a low volt tech, this is my number 1 used tool.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I really like it.. if they made a M12 Surge with the same D Handle as this, would be my perfect tool 👍

[@Painfulwhale360]

Agreed. This drill is amazing to me. I use it for 99% of what you’d need a drill for.

[@slayerment]

As a homeowner/DIYer this is my most used power tool. Use this for almost everything. Only real complaint is the reverse switch... not because of the location, which is fine, but because I always have to look to see if I'm in forward or reverse. Would be better if I could just feel which direction I'm in.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah I catch myself in the wrong direction every now and then… but for the most part I’m looking at the screw and I just press the button. It is occasionally an issue when I’ve got my hand in somewhere and going in blind though. I really like it. I use it anytime that I don’t need an impact. It’s my most used behind my Surge.

[@je-fq7ve]

I kinda like it, if i turn on the drill and dont like the direction click the button goes the other way.

[@peglegthered]

Amen. I don't understand their decision NOT to put a locking collar on the offset. You're totally right about the dentist drill sound. hahaha

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

No collet on the offset is the biggest flaw of this tool. The sound is still not as loud as an impact… it’s the pitch of it.

[@dandexinventor]

I use mine every day. I agree and want to point out a good design feature...the high hand placement allows the forward force to be centered so there is little to no creep when drilling holes. Normally, the lower hand position puts an offset forward pressure on the bit which when starting a brill bit, allows too much travel off the intended start point. I have to center-punch to counter the travel, but even then, I've dtill plenty of elongated holes with the standard, lower hand position. Like Morgan showed, I trigger with my middle finger so that the force applied is directely behind the bit. I bore holes in steel tubes and where I used to have to center-punch, with the installation driver it hardly ever creeps away from my start point.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah, I love the design if this tool. Really comfortable to use. Appreciate your thoughts 👍👍

[@R.L.U.]

This video made up my mind. I'm a handyman and am always looking to minimize my carry. This is a great review with everything I needed to hear.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate that. Yeah it has enough power to do most typical things. I had the older brushed Bosch Flexi Click and it didn’t have enough power to put in longer screws. That made me have to carry something else. I really like it. Most people that don’t, it usually the button for forward/reverse. Appreciate you watching and taking the time to leave feedback 👍👍

[@ryanofalaska]

Totally agree. I’ve been using mine for about the same amount of time, and would buy a new one tomorrow for all the reasons you presented. It’s a fantastic everyday gun for guys like us that have to do it all. I am holding out hope that they change the directional switch from the top to the trigger. I don’t have big meat hooks so it’s just a pain to switch back and forth when I’m in a tight spot. But it’s a fantastic gun, and makes a great wedding present for buddies that don’t have a lot of tools. Thanks for highlighting this. Great overview of a fantastic tool.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Thanks. It's a love or hate tool it seems. Especially the trigger. My guess is they would change it, I think the majority vote they prefer the standard switch. Mostly depends on what you use it for. I use mine as a powered screwdriver basically, but it can do a little heftier work in a pinch.

[@ryanofalaska]

Samsies. Very rarely need to pull out the impact driver. This does 3” just fine.

[@chrisfyfe9212]

@@MORGANSMaintenance I tried the fingering arrangement you use on the trigger , huge improvement , feels quite natural ( thanks for the concept !

[@wackyweyland8857]

@ryanofalaska Never heard of giving tools away as a wedding gift, but it's a great idea. 😮

[@markkempton4579]

Bought the standard Fuel combo last winter and looking to add to the collection. Thanks for the great overview of this interesting tool. I hate the location of the forward/back switch on the M12 drivers, so I would love that feature. The Milwaukee designers must have small hands. I push the switch over to forward almost every time I grip the handle on my M12s. A top switch is a nice fix.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I like the button, but I use it a lot and it has become 2nd nature to me 👍👍

[@scotts4125]

I'm on the Makita platform but have been eying this for a while. I wouldn't feel bad since it's 12v so it would be a 1 off for me. My goto's are the compact Makita's but I have to carry 2 tools. This makes so much more sense.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

You can tell by the comments… some people like it, some don’t. I really like mine. I don’t use it to build decks or frame houses but it has done everything I have asked it to. I really like my M12 Surge but I needed something with clutch settings. The right angle is super nice. Thanks for watching and let me know if you end up getting it 👍

[@bfourney]

I got this and the Bosch flexiclick brushless and I returned the Milwaukee. I liked the Milwaukee quite a bit but after using them both for some time the Bosch is just more precise both in fit of the bits and trigger action, with a much smoother motor. Most of the weight of the Milwaukee is far in front of your wrist making it harder to control and really making it more of a strain to use. The Bosch has an actual forward/reverse lever making it much faster to use, and the battery charger is like 1/4 the size of the giant 1980s style Milwaukee charger. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Milwaukee is more powerful but I need precision over power, and I haven’t found anything the Bosch couldn’t drive. If I need something beefier for larger holes or lag bolts I’d just go with an 18v subcompact.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I had the FlexiClick before I got into M12 and it was power that drove me away from it. It was the older brushes version, the brushless may be stronger. It is a bigger deal for me because I don’t want to carry two drills in with me. I did like the head attachments better on the Bosch though. That’s just me though… I appreciate your thoughts… I’ve been curious about the Brushless Version.

[@joesshop3622]

Good luck with longevity, Botch lol just doesn't cut it on the long haul at all. Pure land fill gear if you plan on using it more than a few times.

[@bfourney]

@@joesshop3622 congrats on the dumbest thing I've read in awhile

[@bdm1000]

Hands down, this is the best review of this tool. Great job!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I appreciate that. I’m not that skilled at video editing… but I try 😂

[@MmmmBlue]

Thanks for the video. Very helpful. I'm looking to purchase something for some upcoming projects (new fence, refurbish some decking, hanging curtain poles and just general homeowner DIY) Im locked into the Milwaukee systems, both 12v and 18v as I can get the batteries from work. Would you recomend the 4 in 1 or should I be looking at getting a drill/ driver set up instead? Thanks again.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I prefer the 4-1 over the regular drill just for the option of the right angle. It’s much different using the right angle on this, and having to hold the type you put in a drill driver. The only advantage of a drill/driver to me, would be to get the hammer/drill driver if you are going to need to drill small holes into concrete much. Things like tapcons. It is still a 12v and not an 18v, but the power of the M12 tools has been great for me. The only time I use my M18 is for heavy use jobs for battery life. I have a lot of tools that the work gets spread out, but I know I use this tool and my M12 Surge more than anything else. My M12 Drill/Driver has been moved to mixing drywall mud for patches in my pan.

[@MmmmBlue]

@@MORGANSMaintenance I think the 4 in 1 makes sense for me. I can always pick up a drill driver in the future if needed. Thanks for the response. 👍🏻

[@ZPositive]

The installation driver is an ergonomic masterpiece. I've also had mine for two years, and it has all-but replaced all my other cordless drills. The only thing I wish it had is a 1/2" chuck.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I’m glad I bought it.. I had wanted to try the Festool for years but it’s not something you can just go look at in my area and no one I knew had one. Then I was getting into the M12 line and had a with a combination of Milwaukee and Bosch 12v tools and already had the Bosch FlexiClick so I couldn’t make my myself spend the $229 at the time to get this. I ended up catching it on sale with a feee tool and ultimately got this for $120 and glad I did. Like you this is my most used for sure. If I don’t need an impact, this is the tool I am using. The balance and feel is the #1 reason I like it. That and it has enough power to do more anything I would use a tool like this for.

[@je-fq7ve]

my drill does not have the high speed pitch. maybe yous need service after two years.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I have thought it’s gotten louder, but if it had its been gradual enough that I can’t remember if it’s always been that loud. It may need it 👍

[@theChaosEnigneer1]

I think a huge advantage of this tool is, that the chuck and the back of the handle (where your hand is) are in a straight line. You can apply the force directly on the drill bit when drilling or screwing. On other tools (that are more pistol shaped) you mostly have to use the other hand to do that.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Agree, the ergonomics on this are great

[@naezro]

I got mine a couple months back. It's a go to tool. It took me no time to adjust to the forward and reverse switch. My favorite feature is honestly the hand position, which puts my wrist inline with the drilling and fastening. I do agree the biggest downside is how the grip is very tippy. Because of that, I ordered the new M12 HO batteries hoping it's a better base because of the rubber over molding they are putting on it.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I just saw on Etsy that someone 3D prints a pice that screws onto the belt clip that extends the base to match a big battery. If it only screws on one side that I don’t have to lose my belt clip I may try one for giggles. I like the small batteries though. Glad you like yours though. I really like it, with a few improvements it would be really, really good.

[@joesshop3622]

Get the 6 or 4 AH battery and it stands on it's own nicely.

[@fubufb420]

Very cool tool! 👍 Gotta get 1. One of those tools, when ya need one, you NEED one! Theres plenty of situations this could be be handy ro have.🎉 Nice to see the power tho!! 💪💯

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It is a good one, and has the power to do just about anything you would think of using it on 👍👍

[@annikagebauer-m2d]

One of the best screwdrivers I've ever had. He's really, really good. Small, light with a lot of power. I always screw my screws to the magnets, very practical. It's really fun to work with.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I really like mine too… use it all the time. 👍👍

[@knotical689]

Thanks for the review! I was looking for something ergonomic and compact with a good clutch for some hobby stuff, picked one of these up

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@knotical689 it’s a really good tool in my opinion. The forward/reverse button takes some getting used to, but I like it

[@eagleonone]

Have owned this driver for over two years. It is a pleasure to use. Lightweight yet powerful. Any complaints I might have are so minimal as to be negligible.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@eagleonone I’m very much the same… the sound could be a little less, but it’s a great tool 👍

[@lorrainebayford177]

Good video answered a lot of questions I had. One thing I noticed and have found that with most drills that have magnetic strips for bit storage is a big magnet (yes this is a pun) for metal shavings to stick to. If you do a lot of metal drilling as I do it’s a pain in the butt.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@lorrainebayford177 yeah, magnets are helpful and hurtful. Sometimes I wear my Holstery one on my pants pocket and it catches everything I walk by 😂

[@inhumanunion1223]

You can tell this man is also a handgun user

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@inhumanunion1223 😂😂… 👍

[@dkdjxiwlzow7923]

I dont get why it is so crucial for USA ppl to have the tools standing up... just put it on its side and forget about the risk of tilting it by mistake and maybe break it or break something.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I normally keep mine in my side, but you are right… better off to just leave it on its side so it can’t tip over 👍

[@Fatedfilms]

is that a USA thing?

[@urdaddywingnut7820]

I think it's just a DISPLAY thing. I'm an American and rarely do I see anyone keep their tools all stood up. What I do see is people always being human and finding a way to talk trash about others.. . See? Look at that! American judgement all upright!!

[@k1_w3]

@MM - You can get a leg / stand for this. I’d be more specific or post a link, but YT is auto-censoring my comments if I do that.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I’ve seen them on eBay.. appreciate it 👍

[@jasonswoger410]

I was recently infected with the m12 virus. I haven't gotten the installation driver symptom yet.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah… the Surge is what passed it on to me 😂 After that you are like… I’ve already got the batteries 🤷‍♂️

[@Theprofessor1212]

How’s this tool in drilling stainless ? I’d like to have small power tool in my toolkit to drill 1-2 holes every now and then in 10mm stainless without having to take the corded drill out.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Im trying to think if I’ve ever drilled into thicker stainless with it. It typically has done well for me drilling in metal electrical boxes including thicker ones… Probably would depend on the diameter of the hole and having a good drill bit.

[@jasonphillips3865]

Offset adapter issue. I cut down the shaft of a locking collet and JB Weld it in. Problem solved.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

👍👍.. not a bad idea

[@maximumyt2857]

imagine a surge with a swappable head like that, could probably do anything except take off a tire

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@maximumyt2857 yeah, that would be a nice option 👍

[@t_bone808]

DEWALT is better and stronger. The ergonomics of DEWALT is better and the reverse switch is better the only thing I like is the magnet on the front

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I haven’t used any Dewalt 12v.. I used to use their 18v and it was great at the time….I started in the 20v stuff but didn’t care for it, switched to Bosch, and started in Milwaukee the last few years. I love the ergonomics of this over my standard M12 drill and impact shape. It seems more balanced. It’s my first D handle type drill, but now I see why people liked the Festool. I’m sure the Dewalt is good… Most tools these days are crazy good. All tools have come along way in the last 5 years or so.

[@johnbadal7319]

I don't let any of my installer stand the tool on the battery on site as it might tip and damage the site. I like Dewalt's compacts as opposed to most battery inside grip because the dewalt has a skinnier grip and your pinky can join the party and relieve fatigue

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It’s a pinky party 😂😂 You are right about being weary of tools tipping in finished spaces. Appreciate your thoughts 👍

[@projectpinehills]

This is a great video. I always wanted to know the benefits of the installation driver. Thanks for making it!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

You are welcome.. one of my favorite tools for sure

[@georgedavall9449]

Only thang better than the M12 Surge, is the M18 Surge 😆 😊👍🙏🇺🇸

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I have them both also… they are great

[@elliotkane4443]

I work mostly, almost exclusively with steel, concrete and heavy machinery, I would have gone into this thinking "wow, what a bizarre little rinky dink thing" but after watching your vid I'm starting to think there could be a use, it definitely can set a screw up in a corner in timber or plastic, probably in sheet too. Really the angles it can reach is what I'd use this for. God bless.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah the offset is nice to have… I wish it had a locking bit holder, but maybe that will be on Gen 2.

[@Dryndal]

I almost never use the 1st gear 😅 It has the power, so why not use the faster gear?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@Dryndal go all out or nothing 😂😂 👍👍

[@tylerlevings8578]

Would you say you could use this on a commercial job site? I’m an electrician, and I’m thinking about buying one. Drilling into aluminum and small screws and things like that?

[@tylerlevings8578]

What I’m asking is , could it replace my m12 impact and drill ? With the attachments , would it do everything my impact and drill does?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@tylerlevings8578 it does in my opinion. I use it or my M12 surge all the time. There is nothing that I pull out my Surge for that this won’t do. I just swap up depending on what I’m feeling 😂 The only time I get out my M18 is when I’m doing something heavy use all day (for battery life) or bigger lags.

[@joesshop3622]

Problem 1 is you have no idea of direction until you try it 1st. FOOLISH engineering along with the hex shaft of the drill attachment only indexing into the driven hex by 1/8" that's pure BS!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It takes some getting used to, but I’ve grown to not mind the button. Some of the attachments could use some work. I look forward to a Gen 2 if they make it

[@1970gregg]

Love mine, I just wish the bit would lock in to the offset chuck. The bits always stick in the cabinet screws

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah, that is by far my biggest gripe. Everything else people don’t like doesn’t bother me. Thanks for your input 👍

[@MarzNet256]

Cool. You can get a small 1/4in hex drive to keyless chuck so you can also use round shank drill bits with this tool. The one I have is a Neiko brand. They say it is impact rated, but the bit tends to get stuck in the chuck if used on an impact...otherwise, it works great for small jobs.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

One of the heads for this is a regular drill chuck but it only goes up to 3/8 and not 1/2… I have something similar to what you are talking about for my SDS drill to use regular bits. It does the same thing, sometimes those bits are a bear to get out after using it. Appreciate the suggestion 👍

[@exofficiox]

Why would they put the forward and reverse button on the top. Why!?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

The way I hold it, it’s easy to reach with my thumb… and if I hold it that way, it would be harder to reach a switch to push it in reverse where one normally is. For me anyways. I actually like it, but I get why some people don’t

[@slapd751]

Getting a used one from my buddys dad for about 60 bucks with a brand new battery. Pretty stoked

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

That’s a good deal. I use mine almost every day and really like it 👍👍

[@woodmasterguy]

You made some great points, funny thing is I have two of these units. HD had Christmas sales a few years back $179.00 for the set w/2 2.0 batteries and 1 free 6.0 battery. But I never seem to use either of these when doing repairs. I always take in the M12 impact and M12 1/4" hex driver, I like this unit alot, simple and gets the job done when a impact is not needed. It's amazing how lazy I get not wanting to go back out to my truck if I did not being in the right driver. But I will start bringing my install driver in with me more often...

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I do the same thing… we have too many tools that it’s hard to keep them in the rotation 😂

[@Billkwando]

I downloaded the installation driver, but the tool still won't boot....

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

😂

[@Billkwando]

@@MORGANSMaintenance 😍

[@BTW...]

It's not a hammer impact driver. The 'impact' sound is only a clutch slipping, the same as your drill machine does. Oh, is that a carbide wedding band? Best not do any manual work with that on, because if it ever needs to be cut off in an A&E hospital visit to save a finger... the options are very limited and 'grim'.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I didn’t remember saying it was an impact… if I did my mistake 🤦‍♂️ It is a silicone wedding band, that’s all I ever wear. I’ve seen fingers get removed 🤢

[@BTW...]

@@MORGANSMaintenance Yeah, no worries. I don't recall the claim it was a 'hammer' mechanism' ... perhaps some don't know the difference and limitations of the two different types of tools. It's just like I wouldn't bother using anything other than an elecro-pnumatic' hammer drill (SDS) to drill into concrete. Simply, the ratchet hammer type found on usual 'pistol drills' are pathetic. One other thing, I wouldn't use a reduced shank drill in a 3 jaw chuck. (like the 12mm drill with a 10mm shank - (3/8 - 1/2) These chucks are only really designed to drive a drill bits they can accommodate... reduced shanks tend to overload the tools motor and gear drive and chucks.... but then again, most users don't understand correct speed to use with each size drill into various materials. After all, look how many idiots go maximum speed while using a large diameter hole saw, and then wonder why the saw goes blunt or small drill bits break during far too slow a speed. Silicon band sounds safe. I don't understand the fad of the carbide bands or if anyone considers the ramifications that follow a crush injury that would need removal of any rings. Imagine the added pain of grinding off a carbide band with a diamond saw disc in a hurry.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@BTW... I worked in factories a lot in my younger days. Seen all sorts of injuries that kept me from wearing my wedding ring. The silicone ones rip right off. I’m fact I have to replace mine from time to time due to damage. I’m a big fan of SDS too… the hammer feature on a regular drill is something I rarely use.

[@MaxwellBiggs]

Just picked this guy up today, excited to test it out at the shop

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I hope you like it. I really like mine. The D handle takes some getting used to, but I have grown to prefer it. Sorry for the late response, they had this in “held for review” ??

[@bradpittbutcooler5462]

I love this tool ! I’ve been using it for the last two months mostly to build carcasses with pocket hole screws. It wasn’t heavy use but the other day the clutch died with that horrible screaming noise. When it’s back from service I will sell it and buy Festool cxs.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@bradpittbutcooler5462 stinks yours failed on you. Mine is still running, but it’s always had a touch of the scream

[@audioexperience]

thanks for the video would you say its redundant to have this and the new m12 impact as a screwdriver?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I have this, the Gen 2 Impact, and the Surge…. I use this quite often (mostly because I like the feel of it), but it isn’t as powerful as an impact. I run into situations that I use the right angle and offset fairly regularly though. If those are things you don’t need often it’s not really going to do anything your impact won’t do.. especially since there are so many drill bits made to go in impacts these days. It is quieter than an impact which I have to use in certain settings (like a mall store or office). In those cases it takes place of my M12 Drill. They run this every now and then as the Kit with free batteries at Home Depot. If you buy it and return the batteries you can get the kit for $138. That’s how I got mine. It’s definitely worth having at that price. That is pretty close to the price of a right angle drill. I’m not sure if I answered 😂😂😂, just trying to give you as much info as possible. But do you need it… No. is it useful, mostly depends on if you grab a right angle adapter very often, and if you can get it for the price of a right angle drill. All that said… I wouldn’t buy this over an impact. An impact will do things this won’t. Hope that helps.

[@audioexperience]

@@MORGANSMaintenance thank you so much for such a detailed reply - wow ! i'm simply trying to determine whether or not I can use the impact as a hybrid all around driver and you certainly answered that question :)

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@audioexperience you are welcome 👍

[@urdaddywingnut7820]

I am a facilities manager and this has been my go to toy on the daily. Great for getting in those hard to reach places, like around water pipes under cabinet work and the like The only thing im not a fan of is the top mounted directional switch. There are times that takes away from its convenience in those tight spaces. Just not very ergonomic

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@urdaddywingnut7820 yeah that is the thing most people don’t like about it if they have an issue with it. I have gotten used to it and actually like it, but I understand what people don’t.

[@urdaddywingnut7820]

@@MORGANSMaintenance I'm sure it'll get better as I log more time with it. Kinda hard to break a lifetime of universal branding using the same switch on pretty much everything with a handle & a trigger. And as with going Shockwave/ Packout, I did a lot of research before buying and honestly it's just about impossible to beat the quality and longevity of Milwaukee. There's many companies out there that emulate and follow suit, but man it's hardly ever as good- especially when you're dealing with the entire spectrum of kit

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@urdaddywingnut7820 I bought my first Milwaukee Power Tool in 2022 I think… (used many other brands before that for years) Since I’ve been using them I haven’t looked for anything else. They are the best that I’ve been able to get my hands on anyways

[@chickenfoot713]

Dunno how I missed this lol I think I “need” it though 😅

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@chickenfoot713 it has been a great tool for me, I’m wondering if they will be updating it soon

[@adobedirtblues1321]

Great review!!! You offer real depth. Incredibly versatile tool.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate it. Definitely one of my favorite tools 👍👍

[@bendavis1027]

Do you think the installation drivers belt clip would fit on the m12 impact?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I don’t think so, I want to say I tried it awhile back but I’m not sure. I will re-check tomorrow though.

[@AGfrom83]

The only annoying thing is the fact that the reverse resets itself. You pokc it up, put it in reverse. Put it down to do something. Pick it up, knowing that it was in reverse, so you click the button. Then it has reset itself.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I haven’t noticed mine doing that… I will have to check and see. I’m probably just don’t have a good enough memory to remember what I had it set for last 😂

[@AGfrom83]

@@MORGANSMaintenance you probably aren't as slow as me hahaha

[@ZPositive]

Yep, I thought I was losing my mind at first, but it's true. The direction resets itself after some sort of timeout.

[@Golgafrinchamdent]

The switch on mine is shot after very light use. Surging & sagging really bad. Going to need to replace it.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

That stinks. Mines still going strong. Sounds like you may have got a dud, hopefully you can warranty it.

[@AlbertFrederickLarun]

You confirmed what I considered very valuable about 2505-20 when I first saw it--getting into awkward and tight spaces. This can be the difference between several hours of additional disassembly, moving things around, pulled rhomboid muscle(s), and a sore lumbar region from dealing with difficult placement. I also appreciate the torque selector on this drill/driver. I think the offset attachment should offer greater distance from center of the driver and its bit holder should lock. The sound of the drill-driver is funny now that you mention it. I do trust your reviews quite a bit and I will be purchasing one of the 2505-20 units.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@AlbertFrederickLarun I use this tool all the time. The locking bit on the offset and the sound are two things I’d like to see improvement on for sure

[@TacticalThib]

I agree with you on about 95% ok so Bad 👎 kind of loud perk it has the power you need even in speed 2 which i didn't see you go into... 2nd point not being able to hold you bits with the offset on this point I'm with you brother 💯 % there should have been like on the bosh you pushed in and the bit locked if they would fix that mabey a little more power and rpm and the battery issue i use a cp 3.0 but ive run test and you can look on my channel with a 6.0 in 2nd gear I ran a 10" timberlock through a 3×3 out of a 300 year old house down here in Louisiana I dont mind the sound honestly pick up any drill and you get the same thing that harmonics assures me in some kind of weird way when I hear sag or something I know im getting close. You grip is spot on that is the way this tool is designed 👌 🔥 👏 🙌 hit out the park with that one I believe if you had an option to extend and retract the magnetic rail it would accommodate for the bigger battery. But overall I love this tool and its got me out of a pinch on several occasions. Awesome video I think you were spot on with everything you said except a couple minor things that we can agree to disagree on. I will be subscribing and if they had a love this video button I'd hit it lol thank you sir 🙏 please give that video a look and comment have a wonderful day

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Thanks. I will check out your video. You are right the sound isn’t loud... it’s more the pitch that gets me. I still prefer the sound level of it over your normal impact (for the times I don’t need an impact.) I’m interested to see what changes they have if they do a Gen 2. I primarily run a CP 3.0 too. I’m interested in getting the new High Output M12’s for all my tools what they do. I have seen a few 3D printed options that either make the magnetic base bigger for more stability with a small battery, or longer to allow the bigger battery. Thanks again for the feedback. I appreciate it a lot 👍

[@OnusBones]

Oooh, very nice! Your "bad" points won't bother me. The magnet is an outstanding feature, as is the "double-chuck;" one for pilot holes, and one for the screw to go through that hole. I think I see my next M12 tool...

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It’s one of my favorite tools. I probably use my surge more, but this is right there with it.

[@judahjaquith6854]

Milwaukee needs to take this idea and make a "multi tool" with tons of adapters you can buy. I would love a (small) angle grinder blade attachment, PVC cutter, PEX a expander, etc

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Would be nice. The tool would wear out quicker from more use, but you would definitely save some space.

[@BLASTIC0]

I wish they just would have made the new gen 3 m12 drill with the ability to change the chucks or whatever you want to call the attachments.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah, I think they have a drill like that that in Australia … Model # M12FPDXKIT-202X…. I am surprised they haven’t done it here yet.

[@BLASTIC0]

@@MORGANSMaintenance ive noticed that one before. Lot of $ though. I need to get a small drill, my dewalt 998 is just too big for most jobs and ive been trying to choose between this installation driver and the m12 drill. Either way I go, im going to be disappointed. Sucks lol

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@BLASTIC0 if you need a hammer drill function I would go with the drill… other than that I prefer the Installation driver. (Compared to Gen 2… The Newer drill may be significantly better) The chuck in the installation driver is 3/8 and the drill is 1/2” if that’s a big deal. Never has mattered to me.

[@BFGoodwrench3]

Can this run spade bits pretty good?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It’s decent on like up to 1”.. I mean it’s not a M18 drill, but it can do it with a good bit. I use my Right angle with them at times in hard apots

[@jayoutside6087]

I'm a apartment maintenance guy and I've been using Bosch 12v. I think I'm going to change brands very soon just because of tool selection.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I was the same. I ran Bosch 12V before switching to Milwaukee and there just aren’t many tools available. I held on to a few for some time, but Milwaukee has pretty much taken over 100% for me now

[@woodmasterguy]

I forgot to add, hate the speed/reverse switch on all these M12 drivers. I use the Festool CXS's in my shop every day, love them, nice and light, 10 volt batteries last forever. but onsite I like the M12 line, light and powerful, but the selector switch suck...

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It’s a love/hate with a 90% hate rate….

[@doyen86]

What a great review! I was basically in the same situation. I bought the instalation drill/driver on sale and was having buyers remorse in terms of if I really needed it. I already had the m12 hammer drill. impact, and right angle drills so I felt as though it was redundant and i was wasting money. But after watching this with all the comparaisons and use cases I now actually feel my purchase was legit. Thanks!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It has been one of my favorite tools. I go back and forth between it and the Surge just depending on what I’m doing. 👍👍

[@mikechan231]

Curious how this matches up with the festool, since it’s basically a copy of their compact drive. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were nearly the same. Also wonder how strong the 90 degree bead is. The festool 90s are unbreakable.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah I never have owned the Festool but I have watched several comparison videos out of my own curiosity. I always wanted one before I bought this just to try the D Handle shape. I have been really impressed with Milwaukee’s and have had zero issues with any of the heads…with the exception of the offset not locking the bits. Which is a bad design, not an issue of malfunction. None of the heads feel cheap at all, I can’t imagine breaking them with what you use the tool for. Not sure if I’ll ever buy the Festool, doubtful just because of not wanting another battery system… but you never know

[@aa5az423]

Nice tip on holding and switching direction. I bought it yesterday online, it's on the way. I've wanted it since it came out and finally pulled the trigger. The direction control was a serious concern and the way you hold it completely resolves that issue. Thanks.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate it 👍 Hope you like it. I think if you give it time you will. It’s still probably my most used tool.

[@aa5az423]

​@@MORGANSMaintenance not to berate the point, but in the past two days since I've ordered this tool, I have got into a half-dozen situations whereas the angles would have been so much easier with this tool AND the more accurately the job would have been accomplished. That's the way it seems to work.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@aa5az423 once you know there is a better option to do a job, it does seem that you see those opportunities a little easier 😂👍

[@jkh7901]

I have been waiting for a big sale and a job to justify the purchase of the installation driver. I think I would love it but haven't found an actual need for it yet, next cabinet install I do I will for sure pick one up. I really need to get into the m12 line, currently only have Ridgid 18v and Milwaukee 18v. I think the 12v stuff would be plenty of power for most things and less weight on my tool belt.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I love the M12. It is better than all my older 18v stuff…. And your right, the size is awesome. I ended up getting mine for $138 with the kit. They had a deal if you bought it you got a free tool and the 3/8 ratchet was $149. It let me return it for $90. So if you catch it on the right sale, you can get it pretty cheap. It’s a love or hate tool. I really like mine.

[@tnbspotter5360]

I bought this as a general purpose drill for around the house. It's only real downside is the magnet on the off set. Bits like to stick to the workpiece instead of the drill. Better bit retention is needed.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah they definitely need to change that. It’s even worse when using a drill bit. 👍👍

[@Yettee0201]

This honestly is one of their better tools for versatility. The fact that you can use the right angle with any of the other heads and they lock into position is priceless. Speaking of which this kit with a 5ah battery goes on sale regularly for $179

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I love the Right Angle being stationary compared to using one of the adapters in your regular impact that swivels. So much easier when all you have to hold is the trigger and fastener. 👍

[@jehru2800]

Great video! I would swap the direction switch on the top of the drill to a negative and I'd agree with bit retention on the offset and straight to tool also negative. Something about the sound I like. Milwaukee, to me, has some awesome sounding tool motors except for the cordless table saw. That may be the worst tool they make. If I wasn't cordless only, is get rid of it.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I haven’t bought any of the table saws or bigger Miters because they are only battery.. 9 times out of 10 I have power everywhere I am working. Yeah I get why some people wouldn’t like the switch. My hand size works to where it is fine for me… but it’s definitely a change to get used to. Appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment.

[@NWGR]

Your views on the installation driver echo my own aside from one thing: I never stand up any of my drill/drivers any more, so using it with a bigger batter isn't an issue for me. Too many times I've bumped them, knocked them over and marred the surface of whatever I set them on. I still stick with CP 3.0s though; I prefer the more compact footprint and lighter weight. I do agree that the offset chuck should be locking, and I also don;t mind the forward/reverse switch since I hold the driver the same way you do. All said and done, I love the installation driver; it's basically what a brushless CXS could have been.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I’m a smaller battery fan myself too. (In my drivers) I prefer the more compact size, which is the reason I got into M12 to start with. The big batteries are nice for the saws and lights… and the drill I leave setting on my workbench. Thanks for your input. Helps me know I’m not crazy thinking it’s a great tool 😂

[@noerden91]

i had this one on my last jobb for 3 years and it was great had to turn it in when i left but now on my new jobb i convinced my company too buy me a new one its a realy great drill too have as an service electrian and i just bought it too have one at home too

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah I really like it.. handy, compact, and enough power for most things. 👍

[@TheRaven0811]

I've been learning more about this tool and your video has sent me over the edge. I'm definitely going to get this. I already own one of the Milwaukee m18 drivers and I really like it. Before that I bought the Ryobi drill and driver set, but Milwaukee has them beat by alot in my opinion. Great video!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I just bought into Milwaukee in the last couple years… and their Fuel line of M12 and M18 are the best cordless tools I have used so far. It’s not that the others are bad and can’t get the job done… but in my opinion they all do what they are supposed to do, really well. And the size/weight/power of the M12 is super good.

[@jamesazzarella5721]

I love this tool I use it as my daily. I didn't even realize I can use the other attachments with the right angle.. Thanks for that. 10:12

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah that makes it super nice… it’s one of my favorites to use as well 👍

[@theeapco]

Use mine on the daily! Great video.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@theeapco appreciate it. I didn’t know what I’d think about a D Handle when I bought it, but I really like it

[@theeapco]

@@MORGANSMaintenance same here!

[@Demorthus]

It's a neat tool. I was considering it for a while but I'd like to see what their next gen would look like. Objectively speaking moving the forward/reverse from the 'standardized' above the trigger layout, is counterintuitive. If it's meant to be a compact tool, yes you can use your thumb to switch - except this adds height to the tool itself when attempting to work with it (as you have 1/2"-3/4 space to accommodate your thumb & knuckle against whatever surface it's bumping into). The thing most common & most toggled setting on any drill is universally the direction, above clutch setting, above drill mode, above profile/lighting, and above drill bit changes. It's the first thing you always interact with, which is understandably why it's also (imo) an objectively poor ergonomic choice of design. But, I'm not a scientist nor a professional, so take it all with a grain of salt, what do I know lol

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah the switch is the big contention between most who don’t like it. My guess is they will change it if possible in the next version. Most the people who don’t mind it could go either way, verses people who hate it won’t buy it… We will see hopefully. I’m interested in their next version of this tool and their surge… curious what they come up with. Appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment 👍

[@markchidester6239]

Excellent and accurate review. One more option would be the ability to change from drill driver to impact.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah you are able to get a chuck like an impact, but it is ultimately just a drill 👍👍

[@Stefan_Kawalec]

Tell us how crazy you are, without telling how crazy you are: I missed my 2nd tool purchase anniversary by 2 days. I wish my tool brand did this, preferably as a 12V and 18V tool. But Makita has its own ways. This type of driver may be less popular or reviewed negatively, because it's too versatile for a 12V tool. 18V platform would be great for it. I see that you have bought Festool vacuum hose holder. So Systainers here you go! Very good review. If I had a post-doctoral education I'd say that you're pleasantly concise. Because I don't, I just say kudos for zero BS.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

😂😂 Thank you! I am surprised they don’t have an M18 version of this yet. I think they have another 12v version with the body of the standard drill… but I’ve never seen it. Watching the video back, I was wondering if you would catch the Vacuum being fixed. That is so much nicer to hold the hose. I’m thinking of getting a couple different Systainers, but I’m leaning towards one being the open top with a handle to make me a drywall knife/tools setup.

[@Stefan_Kawalec]

@@MORGANSMaintenance That bucket style systainer comes in two heights and two base sizes (standard called middle and larger called large). Standard lower: SYS3 TB M 137, 204865; standard higher: SYS3 TB M 237, 204866. These two fit the vacuum best. I recommend the higher one. This particular systainer has some disadvantages. There's an inward rim that make taking things out difficult. Also the foldable handle limits its storage volume. Given the reduction of size of 18V tools, such driver should definitely be M18 tool.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@Stefan_Kawalec Thanks for the suggestions. I appreciate those numbers, very helpful. Yeah the only difference in size between my M18 and M12 is the battery and where it attaches. The rest of the tool is almost identical. Tools keep getting more powerful and smaller… what a time we are living in.

[@tfwoodcraft]

Didn't even think about using this baby for pocket holes yet. That's gonna be so dang handy!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Works great for all woodworking task… in my opinion 👍

[@jasonvandervalk3679]

I own this tool I bought it because I really wanted to try it. It sure comes in handy! Some of your ideas are things I never thought of ill Have to try them.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Glad to hear I’m not alone in liking this one. It’s not for everyone because it’s a different feel, but I really like it. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts 👍

[@ipodman505]

I love my installation drill driver! I've had mine just over 2 years at this point, and I couldn't live without it now. I do a lot of cabinet building and assembly, so this thing is an absolute life saver. I pretty much exclusively use the offset head because it doesn't hurt to use it without really needing it (except for bit retention, but if I have to drill any holes, I use a different head anyways). I don't use the magnet for bits but I do use it for those little 1/4 inch screws for securing drawer glides and brackets, and trust me, it can hold alot of those little screws. This drill and my m12 surge are the perfect pair for my work. Couldn't live without them! Also, great reviews and content. It's refreshing to see someone give honest and experience based reviews. Keep up the great work!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate it 👍 We have much the same view… between this and my M12 Surge I can get a lot done.. and at a lower volume.

[@NonieTools]

I have every fuel drill they make, m12 & M18. Except for this one and the m12 surge. Which one would you recommend more?

[@NonieTools]

To late, home Depot is having a crazy sale right now the installation driver with 5.0 high output and 2x 2.0s for $180

[@yungdro1972]

Mine is out for delivery on FedEx. Can't wait to get my paws on it. Great review!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I love mine… it’s usually the button location is what makes people not like it, it doesn’t bother me. Hope you like it 👍

[@R.L.U.]

Another great thing about the magnet is that it can be wiped and cleaned of metal shavings.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

👍👍.. that magnet comes in handy more than you would think.

[@k1_w3]

Excellent review. Very honest and unbiased content I can trust. 👍

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate it 👍👍

[@WillmannElectrical]

Hey Morgan, Where'd you get the protective boot for the surge?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It’s the boot for the regular 1/4” impact driver (not the 1/4” socket impact). I bought it hoping it would still fit. Part # 49-16-2553. Want to say the best price I found it was on eBay.

[@trashes_to_treasures]

I have mine since maybe 1,5 or 2 years and I absolutely love it! The power is there when needed and it’s super handy and lightweight. All the features you presented make it my daily go-to tool. Since I bought it, I rarely have been using my other drills/drivers. Even the direction switch isn’t something I worry too much about once I got used to it. Great little tool!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Agree with you. It’s one of my favorite tools to use because of the way it feels in my hand and what all it can do. Appreciate your thoughts 👍

[@DIYDEGEN]

I wish it has a hammer mode

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@DIYDEGEN it would be nice 👍

[@EvanKayExotics]

I wish they made the belt hooks scratchless polymer.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah you have to be careful with them. I take them off a lot of tools.

[@dustinpomeroy8817]

I see no real point to the tool,if you need what it does everyday you're already gonna have an impact and a drill.If you need it everyday it's way quicker to just have 2 separate tools.I feel like this one of those tools that somebody's wife buys her hubby on father's day because let's face it ,most wife's don't know shit about tools but are the first to buy a guy some gimmicky dumb bullshit.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

With any tool, it all depends on what you do. I would buy this over the M12 right angle drill any day just for the right angle location adjustment. I got the kit for $138 when I bought it, and the right angle was $119. Some people will never need an offset, some people would use one everyday. I agree with you though. It’s not for everybody and an impact needs to be your “if I can only have one” tool.

[@danlux4954]

I bought this for my wife. I want the UK model that doesn’t have the magnet part.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@danlux4954 I’ve seen that one… I’m surprised they haven’t made a M18 version like that too.

[@danlux4954]

@@MORGANSMaintenance M12 FUEL™ SUB COMPACT PERCUSSION DRILL WITH REMOVABLE CHUCK

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@danlux4954 yeah that’s the one I had seen…. Not in person, but I knew it existed.

[@williamradwanski1998]

Terrific tool for tight spaces. I found it handy while installing drawers in a dark location. I had mine for a little over a year. I really like the magnetic bit holder when I am working off a ladder.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I think so too. I love the design and balance of it. Thanks for sharing, it always helps for people who read the comments to get others perspectives.

[@georgedavall9449]

E. X. C. E. L. L. E. N. T.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate it 👍👍

[@jadedcarton]

Yo

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

👍👍

[@beauxtx1959]

Best review I've ever seen on this tool.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Appreciate that 👍👍

[@frednavarro8667]

Thank you for your honest reviews and usage examples.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

You are welcome 👍👍

[@steffendetrick]

Finally somebody is holding that installation driver right. That is exactly how you Grip it the same way you would grip a screw gun I’m shocked that so few people have figured that out considering it has the same ergonomics with the finger grooves up top just like a screw gun for sheet rock.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

It is a very similar hold. It is what I like about it, it is a more comfortable hold to me and makes me feel like I have more control. I use an impact when I need one, but this is my tool of choice for everyday type task. Thanks for watching and the comment 👍

[@steffendetrick]

I feel the same way and it does give you more control the pressure you apply is in line with the faster that you’re driving opposed to beneath when you’re holding or gripping the handle of a regular driver or impact.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@steffendetrick 👍

[@wim0104]

I wish Milwaukee did more magnetic storage on their tools, like Ryobi... they finally copied DeWalt with the headlights on the new M12 impact.

[@wim0104]

and a pass-thru auto-ratchet, please...

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Magnets are nice anywhere. I do like those new lights, I'm also intrigued by the HO M12 batteries too. Interested to see if they do the same for some tools like the M18

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@wim0104 👍 on the pass-thru idea

[@harlanborders943]

They are hander than I thought they would be. Great for the job or home use.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I agree, I really like mine. I always thought the Festool looked weird but I like the feel of using this tool. For your normal day to day stuff, it works great… IMO.

[@SamMelik]

I really enjoyed your review, was pretty useful and to the point.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Thank you! I appreciate you taking the time to leave feedback 👍

[@mlubecke]

I love mine….

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

👍👍 It’s definitely one of my most used tools.

[@Fictitious_Character]

Good video. I ordered one yesterday, so of course your video popped up in my feed. If I saw your video 11 months ago I might have ordered it sooner lol. I almost bought one 2yrs ago, and have considered it occasionally between then. It looks like a great tool, it's versatile. Figure it'll come in handy, and might even replace one of the impacts on the van. Thanks for the vid.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

😂… I really like mine. I use it more often than my impacts, but that’s just because the work I do. I got my kit for $138 by getting the ratchet free and returning it. I didn’t expect that I would like it as much as I do.

[@Fictitious_Character]

@@MORGANSMaintenance that was the deal when I almost purchased it. I had just purchased the m12 fuel impact, hammer drill kit with the same deal. I told myself at the time not to overdo it lol. Fast forward somewhere between 2 and 3 years later, and the same deal presents itself again. If I return the ratchet I'll be in it for 119. Had to buy it this go around. Like last time I had the ratchet, I'm going to be tempted to just keep the ratchet lol.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Yeah… that’s how I ended up getting hooked on Milwaukee. Once I learned the Hack at Home Depot I couldn’t pass up buying tools I may only even use once 😂

[@Fictitious_Character]

@@MORGANSMaintenance the hack is the best. I'm on multiple platforms and HD carries most of them.

[@Steve-zw9hd]

Man did you really sell me on this little powerhouse. I was planning on grabbing the hex screwdriver but after seeing this in one of your other videos and now watching this I know this will be the next addition to the set. I really appreciate this solid review, keep up the good work man.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

Thank you very much 👍 … every know and then Home Depot will have the kit with a free battery (or batteries) and you can get the kit for around $138 if you return the batteries. It has to be a promo where they split the value for all of them on your receipt.

[@Steve-zw9hd]

@@MORGANSMaintenance Thank you for the tip! I'll be keeping an eye out for any deals like that coming up for black Friday.

[@MR-kl2ul]

Glad you showed it with big battery, I like it too

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

👍👍.. between it and the Surge, they are my most used drivers

[@atexnik]

Thanks for the review. Decided on Bosch 12v-300fc.

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

The Bosch I had was the brushed older model. Good tool, but wasn’t strong enough. I’m sure the newer model is right on par power wise with this one. 👍

[@atexnik]

Yeah, probably. What I like about Bosch is that the bit holders are all with lock and do not have much play in there. On Milwaukee, the shorter bits slip too deep into the holder and the offset head doesn't have any lock, just magnet, which is inconvenient for me.​@@MORGANSMaintenance

[@Whiteyda3rd]

Love this puppy but today suddenly NONE of my attachments will connect! Had to pry the head off to remove it and now nothing goes on despite there being nothing obvious!!!!! WHY?!??!?!?

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

I haven’t had that problem… so I have no idea… that stinks thought

[@Whiteyda3rd]

@@MORGANSMaintenance thanks for replying, not sure what happened initially to make the 3/4 chuck get stuck but after prying it off, the connector needed some smoothing out (with my Milwaukee “dremmel”) and now it slides off and on beautifully! I blew out the head and hit it with some graphite and I’m rockin once again!

[@MORGANSMaintenance]

@@Whiteyda3rd glad you had to know how to fix it. You are like me, I will fully disassemble something and attempt a fix before I throw it out… what do you have to lose 😂