Mormon Abuse in Denmark: A New Documentary

[@JohnSmith-kh4lp]

"other churches have an abuse problem too" is perhaps the worst possible defense in this situation for so many reasons

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

If you think this happens only in one particular denomination, you are utterly delusional. Period.

[@Nick-tx2fl]

@@heidimisfeldt5685you are the person they’re talking about. Do you believe all the other churches are Christ’s actual church? No, you don’t. You should hold the “true” church to a higher standard

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

That is not a defense, it is a very very sad reality. Truly it is NOT that in this particular Church, but yes that any certain individual who happened to be a member in this or whatever Church, some people make bad choices.

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

​@@Nick-tx2fl all those who profess to believe in Christ are expected to follow His teachings, don't you think ??

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

​@@Nick-tx2fl then there also is the law of the land, a standard of rules for all the inhabitants of any given country. Abusive behavior is usually against the law, in plenty of countries.

[@hoppetrockner4583]

Church leaders knew my dad was cheating on my mom for years and were "counseling" him through it but he only got excommunicated when she found out, after he had been with hundreds of women and she contracted three really horrible diseases from him. In that moment they declared him a sex addict and he told my mom it was her duty to stand by him as a victim of his addiction.

[@bobicusrex]

Eww

[@ryangarrard3135]

Gross

[@katie17330]

That's awful! I'm so sorry your mom and your family went through that.

[@susiekathryn8570]

Hell no

[@kingoreo3642]

If he knew he had this “addiction,” he shouldn’t have gotten married. The commandment is to “cleave unto your wife and none other.” If he knew he couldn’t do that, he should have been honest and stayed single.

[@lohofa]

Thank you for bringing this outside the borders of Denmark.

[@Annextract]

I went from "inactive" to "ex" when i told my bishop of my husbands abuse and he told me i needed to repent and obey my husband. Abuse isn't just covered up, it's justified/encouraged. I went inactive for being ostracized when a former stake president bragged about beating his children to put the fear of god in them and to physically force them to go to seminary even if they didnt want to, and taught that as what parents need to do in a class. I spoke up about how wrong that was, and was told by others i was "apostate" because i spoke against a "leader" of the church. So the mormon church teaches to beat women and children. not ok.

[@Zodiacalesotericmatrix]

Apostates stand and protect children, Apostles sit and protect predators.

[@Christina-qr2sg]

​@@ZodiacalesotericmatrixIt's been like that from the beginning of said church. I wish more of its members would open their eyes and wake up to the bitter truth. I did.

[@orisonorchards4251]

I wish someone had put a stop to the human trafficking of Danish women in the 1800's. I would have been saved from 43 years of Mormonism.

[@Alibee123]

There is an early Danish silent movie made about this called ‘Mormonens Offer’ In English- ‘A victim of the Mormons’.

[@Sarahwithanh444]

😢😢

[@angbovo]

Maybe you can speak out and help the Mexican women being trafficked in Utah now?

[@iamjustonemom1950]

Thank you for covering this difficult subject: Mormon Church failure to report SA to local law enforcement agencies which would protect the victim, instead of the church reputation.

[@mrhouse8001]

The church is starting to rot slowly from the inside

[@sheliabryant3997]

@mrhouse8001 😂😂. The Corporation HAS BEEN A FESTERED BOIL ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PLANET FOR almost 200 years. Just wearing Emperor's clothes and successfully hiding it.

[@ryangarrard3135]

​@@sheliabryant3997its weird to think how many owe their existence to it and others like it. My mind is boggled 😖

[@SteveSmith-os5bs]

Just start staring to rot? Are you kidding? The church was created by a 19th conartist. Its fondation was based on a lie from It's very beginning.

[@YogiTheBearMan]

@@ryangarrard3135owe their existence as in their birth? Don’t you think their parents deserve more credit than that?

[@pattyotterstrom3179]

Key word "slowly"

[@janedanced5117]

Thank you Nemo for bringing this to our attention. This is appalling and extremely frightening.

[@iffyangel3380]

I walked away from my cheating husband and got treated like garbage by my church, while they opened their arms to his mistress and treated him like a king! Btw, she was married also, yet they allowed them to be married in the church after our divorces were final.

[@bigashton911]

My ex wife was beating me when i went to my bishiop and stake president they told me i needed to "be a stronger preisthood leader" and get over it. The abuse continued until i finally had enough and we divorced. They then sat me down and tried to convince me to forgive her and start dating her again...

[@derralhawthorne4616]

Thank you Nemo for bringing this to our attention. It unfortunately does not surprise me anymore the lengths the church goes theough to protect the church and the abusers. It is a shame.

[@MaryMartinez-mc9qu]

The irony is that by trying to avoid lawsuits thr church made themselves vulnerable to lawsuits. If they reported abuse immediately, many of these lawsuits wouldn't have a case, or even would exist due to abuse ceasing.

[@skatingfairyrolls]

i was physically abused for 3 months as soon after I got married in the temple with a man i met in the same mission then he manipulated everyone and lied to everyone and made everyone believe I was lying, bishop never believed me, his dad a stake president has power and never listen to me. so I just went to the police, the police helped me and the legal justice helped me win the case agaisnt my ex husband, my mission president called me and gave me an advice to just forgive and not continue the case against my abuser. but I never listen to him and I won and I am happy I won and truth win. justice win.

[@iamjustsaying1]

This is so horrible, and yet, believable. I can attest that men in leadership get a pass when abusing wives and children. I can also personally confirm that the counsel given by leaders to these victims falls in the categories of abuse, negligence, and ongoing trauma to the victims. It's horrifying that this is allowed to continue. Keep shining the light!

[@kentogletree9509]

From my translated reading of the law in Denmark, all citizens are mandated reporters of any abuse that children may be exposed to within what is called their circle of trust. The first layer of that circle is the family. So, any abuse to or by anyone in the family must be reported, and there is no exemption for church officials. That explains why he only pleaded to the occurrences before the church became aware of it, in an effort to avoid the church officials from being charged. My opinion is the church pressured him and maybe her not to implicate the church.

[@Dutchess0909]

That makes sense

[@Christina-qr2sg]

For sure.

[@jewelgazer]

Oh my goodness this story sounds so horribly unique but guess what? I live in SLC and this happened to a LDS family in my neighborhood. The son SA his mother on a weekly basis and was put on the official sex registry with no jail time. The mother was told she needed to report this to the police for an arrest and subsequent jail time, but guess what happened instead? The husband locked her into a bedroom where she could not get out until he returned home from work each day. They were terrified that their Mormon neighbors would find out. She finally divorced her husband and that is when I met her and she told me her story. Her son still roams free because she will not report him. I never thought I would ever hear a story even remotely like this one yet here we are. Were LDS leaders partially responsible for this situation? Without going into detail, because it is too complicated and convoluted, the answer is YES.

[@Dutchess0909]

What a nightmare for her.. what are they teaching the children?

[@jewelgazer]

@ The son was her only child.

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

The choices of any given individual, by no means reflect the characteristics of a whole Church. Abuse is condemned and has consequences, in The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints.

[@mommyofkittens4809]

@@heidimisfeldt5685the church covers up abuse.

[@Christina-qr2sg]

​@@heidimisfeldt5685your church actively and continuously covers up SA. So many victims and destroyed lives because of it. But it's all coming out in the open now, thank god.

[@Christina-qr2sg]

OMG I know this couple!! We were in different wards but using the same church building when I grew up, we're the same age! I'm shocked!

[@lordhouse8829]

Mhmm, I served there as a missionary in 2013...

[@Christina-qr2sg]

​@@lordhouse8829It's so sad, tragic and infuriating at the same time... May justice be served to all the hidden perpetrators. On a whole different note, I love your vegvisir symbol!

[@louiscannavino3271]

That is not true.The church told me.I wasn't allowed to go to the authorities... Because it was Being taking care of by the church , which did nothing

[@Alibee123]

That is so scary!! And how are you supposed to prove this when the leaders keep silent at the command of higher leaders in the church?!

[@sleepycalico]

I wish all countries had Denmark's eye on the behavior of churches and the same consequences. I'm so sorry for that poor woman. Thank goodness she at least had sane loving support from her brother.

[@andrewreed4216]

In Australia bishops have to report things to the legal authorities or they and the church get a $10,000 fine each. All members in leadership positions have to have police checks. This however doesnt mean abuse cant or wont happen or be covered up. I have met all to many abuse cases in every ward ive been in (in Australia). I'm also a maditory reporter anyway because i have had jobs in aged care and disability. However, i had to report abuse (police checks only stop those who are convicted, not unconvicted). I hope the lds church will fully address the issues so we can all move in a better direction. Im not against anyone, but i am for people making good choices. This is a good episode, Nemo.

[@sarahescobar5222]

Thank you Nemo for covering this, that must have been so difficult for her and her children. This is difficult information but it’s an important issue that needs to be changed. I wish I would have known about all the resources back when I suffered domestic abuse as a teenager. This needs to change for the better to prevent future victims to go through something similar.

[@iamjustonemom1950]

ALL religious agents/local leaders must be made Required Reporters to LLEs (local law enforcement) at the time of confession by abuser and/or the abused reports or seeks help.

[@Nimbus-fq7ub]

Thank you so much for the trigger warning at the start! I wish more KZbinrs would put their trigger warnings on before the video starts, it means that viewers can ask a trusted person to view the video to see if it would trigger them or watch it with the individual to support them after viewing it. Well done Nemo!

[@susiekathryn8570]

I’m just so angry at the church. So angry.

[@horstbendzulla6425]

Me to, angry to the gills.

[@Christina-qr2sg]

Me too! 👺

[@lisacollins5184]

Mormonens Offer, or A Victim of the Mormons, is a 1911 Danish silent film that tells the story of a young woman who is kidnapped by a Mormon missionary and forced to become his wife. The film was controversial and is credited with inspiring a decade of anti-Mormon propaganda in the United States. 😢

[@tootlesmum1]

This is crazy but not at all shocking. The LDS church and all religious organisations, to be fair, should be mandated reporters. Also required background checks on those who work with minors. If the church wants internal discipline proceedings as Nemo suggests, that can happen after legal actions are done.

[@andrewreed4216]

All bishops in Australia have to be mandatory reporters, and all adult members in positions have to have police checks done, but sadly, that doesn't mean things can't be covered up. It disappointed me when I found out how many abuse cases are in every local area I have lived in.

[@tootlesmum1]

@ I’ve lived in Canada and the US and there was never any police background checks and no mandatory reporting required. I live in Norway now but I’m no longer a member but I’m going to look into the requirements here. Everywhere I’ve lived there have been victims. I’m glad to hear Australia has taken the right steps but those determined to abuse others will always find a way.

[@yams317]

churches should be held criminally responsible for aiding and abetting if they are made aware of, but don’t report abuse

[@CesarMoralesPerez-h5i]

Joseph Smith must be proud

[@ellearmitage2936]

NOTue!!! Joseph is piss off. In the other side Brigham Young and Heber C Kimbal are the ones very proud.

[@orisonorchards4251]

My thoughts exactly! These SAers are just following in their founders footsteps.

[@carolyearsley]

@@ellearmitage2936 My children, in their father's Mormon line are related to one of the women Smith went after for a wife. We have lots of proof. He was a scoundrel.

[@Bobjdobbs]

@@ellearmitage2936Why would he be upset? He was a pedophile, sent men away on missions to marry their wives, and even had his own abortionist.

[@jrtodd-br4zc]

Joseph Smith did not found that institution. Brigham young did. There are hundreds of churches all claiming to be founded by Joseph. The reality is that his successor, Hyrum Smith, died moments before Joseph.

[@TheShodan92]

The suffering of Kiran must've been terrible to endure. Hard enough dealing with her husband, in addition to the nepotism and lack of proper action needed from church leaders. Her husbands lack of full admission is by far an act of unrepentance, hoping for a lesser prison sentence. So sad that this very serious issue is endemic within Mormonism, referred to by the top church leaders who say the right things about it in conference speeches but by the time it's filtered down to ground zero of abuse cases it morphs into a C.Y.A [cover your arse] scenario for the reputation of the Mormon church whilst the sufferers are left floundering.

[@Taslaw]

7:57 Bit of gaslighting the victim here. 'Well, if she didnt report it...'

[@boysrus61]

Other churches don't claim to be the one true church on the earth with the one prophet who speaks with God. THAT belief makes it mandatory that all of its Priesthood holders be absolutely above reproach. Of course now we know that that is an absolute nonsense belief that anyone with the Priesthood is above reproach, they are no better or worse than any other person with or without the Priesthood.

[@jrtodd-br4zc]

The lds church uses “priesthood” in the exact opposite way its own scriptures mandate its use. They are very thing Jesus Christ condemned the hardest in His mortal life: Hypocrites.

[@darlenelane9010]

Thank you Nemo. I had not heard about this......well done.

[@susiekathryn8570]

Just because.

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

Always appreciated!

[@patriciafinn5717]

It is a scandal and sickening..😢😢😢

[@spener84604]

There is something rotten in Denmark.

[@geraldinesera8915]

IVE BEEN AN ACTIVE LDS MEMBER SINCE I WAS 13, EXCEPT THE LAST 4 YRS. IM NOW 75. MY INACTIVITY CONSIDERATION BEGAN WHEN I LEARNED MY 1ST HUSBAND, SEXUALLY ASSAULTED OUR OLDEST DAUGHTER FOR A PERIOD OF TIME. SHE WAS DEPRESSED, AND SUICIDAL FOR A NUMBER OF YRS. My father-in-law also sexually abused more than one of his daughters. He visited prostitutes. Both men were lds priesthood holders. My mother-in-law provided pics to church leaders of her husband with a prostitute (sent to her thru the mail). Leaders brushed it aside stating he wasnt holding an important position (he was ward chorister). When I substantiated my daughter's abuse with RCMP and doctors, leaders accused me of being UNCHARITABLE, and took some of my church privileges away. They accused my daughter (upon her graduating from nursing school) of FALSE MEMBER SYNDROME. I knew the abuse had taken place because the RCMP secretly allowed me to overhear her time with them, and her comments closely reflected his STYLE of sexual conduct with me. There is so much more I could say, but

[@rein-32]

Any kind of abuse should be reported to the police first. Church shuuld be after if you want to inform them.

[@Jenli-cu2hv]

My bishop told me that I shouldn’t divorce my husband. His justification was that the temple marriage was sacred, and the covenant could not be broken even if there was abuse.

[@ShulaMG]

Important issues. Nicely done

[@function0077]

I love how dumb Timmy Ballard is. He should have been focused on the call coming from inside the house. Hopefully culture flushes that turd sooner than later.

[@janetmyers68]

There is no excuse for this! Anyone making excuses should worry about their own salvation.

[@MrMinewarp]

The bishop is supposed to be an unbiased Judge in Israel. Meaning you should judge a situation and call the police! The Bishop should be a safe place to go to confess sins and get help, the Bishop should not be providing that help, he needs to be a median to actual professional who can help. The LDS church NEEDS to fix this. I have seen too many Bishop act as phycologists, addiction specialists, financial planners, and family therapist. They are not! again, they should know who is and send people to appropriate professional help.

[@Annette-b6v]

Thank you!

[@DoctorWithoutDogma]

For those still in, how would this situation look any different if the gift of discernment did not exist?

[@elizabethjohnson1739]

I’m proud to support you my friend!

[@jeannemarie5908]

Great show Nemo!

[@MomtoAutism]

Thank you for bringing this, perhaps foreign powers can lead the change in America as well.

[@DeanneSanchez]

Thank you Nemo for speaking out , you are doing a very very important work to bring awareness 😊 The lds church trafficks people , yes it is true they go to great lengths to cover it up 😊

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

Traffics NOBODY, please don't make stories up. DO NOT BARE FALSE TESTIMONY, PLEASE.

[@daverichards308]

I am sure it happens more than we hear about. So what will happen if the Church's recognition is terminated in Denmark? They will have to report tithes and pay taxes on them?

[@christopherwaynejolley1292]

Same deal with Michael Jensen in West Virginia.

[@amazinmaven]

Court documents aren't as open outside of regulated journalists as I understand it.

[@wagnerthesilva]

The main problem is that the Church claims to be perfect, directed by God himself, with real prophets, with the Holy Ghost instructing members and leaders directly. So, any problem, even minimal, is a major issue and not acceptable. Or the church start to claim to be just a church, or a club or an organization, or else, it’s expected from it what it claims to be, the kingdom of God, spotless, perfect, with an all-knowing, all-powerful being over it.

[@Deathhikeauntie]

Sickening

[@h2oratt2000]

Where can I watch the documentary?

[@DeanneSanchez]

I hope one day the leaders will get the thier comeupns😊

[@natechambers8576]

Is there a link to the translated documentary?

[@msemmahale4608]

There is no translated documentary. Nemo explains that a bilingual friend assisted him with the translation.

[@Gideonslc]

Clergy will never go wrong by victims operating as mandatory reporters. A military Chaplin friend noted for me how he can actually be court martialed if he directly reports crimes confessed in confidence- according to USA UCMJ. The US cases I am aware of with LDS Bishop's have a similar attitude in their attempt to help the criminal who reaches out to religious authority. Religious leaders will privately tell the perpetrator they should turn themselves in to local authorities but not violate that clergy privilege, even if there may be a danger to children or spouse. But there's the really deplorable part of the equation. The perpetrator has control of the narrative. He can say one thing to leaders & turn around and gaslight spouse & children claiming forgiveness granted by religious authority. Religion actually creates a safe haven for Abusers. Until Mormonism embraces mandatory reporting this garbage will continue.

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

Mormon was a prophet in times long gone, who wrote a part of the Book of Mormon. He did not die for the sins of all humanity, JESUS CHRIST did. No such thing as a Mormon Church.

[@jaredlopez3512]

Is that the same thing as saying there is no such thing as an English church, since the English didn't die for anyone's sins?

[@Christina-qr2sg]

😂😂😂

[@daverichards308]

People who actually look stuff up know that the Church is called the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Outsiders started referring to it as the Mormon Church. Thanks. We also know that Jesus did die for the sins of all humanity (well those who actually believe in him)

[@jaredlopez3512]

@@daverichards308 people who look stuff up can also see that the church is also widely recognized at the morning church. People do this because they think it is full of Mormons. Not because they have any clue about the person Mormon.

[@AaAaa-t4x]

Two questions. 1. I noticed in Germany, that the people in the church especially the YSA marry only people who are born in the church. Can it be that converts are in disadvantage when trying to find a partner in the church? Here I ask about convert man who is avoided in the YSA dance evenings. 2. Is it possible that Single mothers are given free in the church to marry who they want in the reason she is not approached much in the reason she has children of others? I see in Facebook groups when I go to a mormon dating that I have always single mothers who flirt with me.

[@NoteworthyAnalysis]

You should not expect good answers here. Nemo is a prominent critic of Mormonism who was recently disaffiliated from the church amid accusations of spreading exaggerated and misleading claims about its practices and beliefs.

[@Alibee123]

Speaking from my own experience being raised in the church, my parents discouraged me from dating non members and there was definitely a push to date those in ‘high standing’ families who had served missions and with parents that were leaders in the church.. A lot of vetting.

[@AaAaa-t4x]

@Alibee123 It means, that automatical somebody who i born in the church will have the ladies easier. Others are disadvantaged. You would get only easy the single mother, because she is not much under vetting, right?

[@jaredle1]

Where can this documentary be watched?

[@joannajohnson696]

In 1972 my sister was forceably raped by a neighbor. According to the teachings of the church she confessed to her bishop in Utah. The bishop told her she was in "danger of being excommunicated." She was then placed on punishment where she could not take the sacrament and had her temple recommend taken away. She spent years trying to get her "membership back in good standing" when she was NOT at fault for the rape. The rapist was never punished or reported to proper authorities. After the incident mormon men referred to her as a "used piece of bubble gum" that no man would ever want. (because she wasn't a virgin!) This brought to light that if you are not a "virgin" you could not marry a mormon man in the temple. My sister later committed suicide.

[@function0077]

Because of article of faith 13, why doesn't the Mormon church consider legal consequences a mandatory requirement for forgiveness? Oh yeah, because protecting the "good" name (and bottom line) of the corporation is the only one and true commandment. That is, the 13th article of faith and the repentance process are both bull$hit!

[@droundyCubby]

It is so much bigger than any church.

[@sharleenjenkins7119]

Wow. So wrong.

[@jillchristensen2510]

The church has tons of money and is probably paying people within the Dutch justice system.

[@WayOutHerePodcast]

My mission president is from Denmark and has always been involved in the leadership there. The church isn't very big, and this is making me wonder if he was on the high council, or if there are just multiple high councils. He is like the most sincere man in the world, but also very much a yes man in church leadership. He would be the next Uchtdorf if he was ever an apostle lol. Regardless he will definitely be invested in the story especially if the church's status as a church was threatened in Denmark.

[@DrPsychofraculator]

So I donate monthly but I really want a Jammie Dodger emoji!

[@farronrice858]

I wish church members around the world was finally figure out you take legal matters to the law, and only spiritual matters to your Bishop. Bishops are not counselors in most cases they don't know what the hell they're talking about. And that's the same with stake presidents

[@skyblueshaz6023]

Call the police not go to church leaders.

[@wmdubinhad]

You’ve reached a new low, and this video is a cheap shot at the Church! It implies systemic abuse within the Church, or more so in Denmark. Abuse exists in any organization, regardless of structure, beliefs, or country. Statistics show that on average, 25-30% of all organizations experience some kind of abuse. The family unit is the number one setting that has the most violence and abuse anywhere. Haters of the Church love to claim that rampant sexual abuse exists within the Church's and even more so within the Boy Scouts of America of years ago. But the lowest abuse rate is as low as 5%. BUT I believe 5% is still too high for abuse in any organization, let alone in the Church. Until we're all perfect people, I don't know if this number will ever go down to zero. But we need to push forward and try. Cheap people produce cheap videos recounting stories of hallway elevator talks about people who know people who allegedly committed these acts, implying a serious church problem. However, we lack the full context and even the existence of these individuals can be questionable. Nemo pretends to possess all the facts while sitting on the righteousness and judgmental high horse.

[@jonjahr3403]

Anyone have a link to the Faith Hope and R@pe documentary Nemo mentioned???

[@rooheath]

I think it’s only national television in Denmark and not available to stream yet. We have friends in Denmark (not members) who watched it and it’s received a lot of attention nationally there. Hopefully will be shared elsewhere soon.

[@marebear6727]

Many members who have been here, now exmembers, know youre speaking truth Nemo, thank you. Angry members now who watch you? Either know & ignorant or are completely blinded to the fact that this exists in the church, thinking that the teaching of their gospel will just erase the problems away! Glad i found out the truth, left 8½ years ago. Best decision i ever made in this life! ❤

[@NoteworthyAnalysis]

Facts? Please. Nemo wouldn’t recognize one if it hit him in the face. He’s far too busy chasing profits and nursing his fragile ego. Half-truths are his specialty-this video is just another masterpiece in his gallery of spin.

[@missiemel01]

That's true. All his videos follow the same structure, where individual cases are generalized to represent the entire church.

[@Thomas123-c1v]

Nemo why do you continue to be so obessed with a church you are no longer a member of? The CofE needs some critics.

[@Moneytalks02-w6y]

Those crimes were committed by people, not “the church.”

[@charlesmendeley9823]

Lol, you mean the building or the legal entity printed on paper? Rape cannot be performed by a piece of paper, yes. You are being tautologically silly.

[@anonanon1982]

❤

[@DianeHatch-g3p]

Children come into parents rooms at night- if all of a sudden the door is locked some kind of explanation would have to be given. As to reporting to the police it’s a “they said/she said” situation, and as far as I can tell the church never told her not to report to the police. Your report of this documentary in a language that is foreign to you is far too vague to use it as evidence of systemic sexual abuse within the church. I think the church readily admits there are weirdos among us. I think you're more describing a problematic husband than a systemic issue in the church. You have no details about the status of their relationship. Partner rape is more difficult to process most likely and perhaps the wife was having difficulty processing the experience and that came across in the ecclesiastical counseling. There are so many details you don't give. Was she getting physically battered? Was the husband having fantasies about nonconsensual sex that didn't include physical violence. In many cases, the church has little and sporadic contact with the perpetrators. I'm not saying there is no way there could be some kind of systemic abuse within ecclesiastical institutions. I'm saying with the evidence you give, you're pointing fingers where there's no solid evidence to know what the truth is.

[@Hadoken09-sd3wj]

Our former stake president physically & verbally abused his wife & children. He was called as mission president & then as area authority seventy. D4mn!

[@toniebonilla3165]

I have no words but experiences tell me truth has been spoken

[@BarbTipping]

Not sure why this woman did not go to the police herself

[@Alibee123]

It helps to understand the role and conditioning of women in the church. Many do not want to ‘cause trouble’, and have been trained to be ‘a help meet’ to their husbands. She may have been afraid of retaliation from member relations on his side as well as the community. In a church where your activity is closely connected to your alleged ‘eternal salvation’. Not to even go into the trauma! When abuse cases are uncovered in the uk, to save those already victimised from becoming a target further, the police make the report as its been found that the victims often are threatened by the abuser to withdraw theirs.

[@jordanalexander8099]

Because she was in a cult. It really conditions people to not think things through all the way. Especially in horrible cases like this.

[@phoenixrising5338]

"Going to the police" is not nearly as effective as everyone seems to think. My daughter did. They did nothing. Many of them were friends of the abuser. Corruption and terrible attitudes toward abuse are everywhere in our culture. Abusers say, "If you go to the police, they won't believe you and they will punish you because they are my friends," and way too often, that's exactly what happens. The family court system is often horrendously cruel to abuse victims. Judges are not wise in this area. This is very much compounded in areas where LDS church members are the police and the judges, which was in part true for my daughter. Until wife and child abuse becomes an enormous focus of public outrage at every possible level, it's not going to change. Videos like this must continue. Like it and share it widely.

[@Alibee123]

@@phoenixrising5338 It is important to try get the report documented and investigated in good time :(

[@phoenixrising5338]

@Alibee123 No kidding. What makes you think it wasn't? And his own attorney admitted to his committing rape in an affidavit she filed with the court. The court ignored it. Hard to believe, I know. But it did. Our system is corrupt. And evil. The whole patriarchal order and father's rights movement and trad wife movement doesn't help at all. Not a fan of any of them.

[@heidimisfeldt5685]

If you think this only happens in one particular denomination, you are sadly mistaken and utterly delusional. Period.

[@Bobjdobbs]

@@heidimisfeldt5685 So sexual assault is OK with you, as long as other churches do it too? What a weird lack of morals you have.

[@jac9366]

Clearly trolling, so sad you think this helps the church

[@Chiefdixon]

That’s it?

[@margaretforrest1410]

You have to separate the people s actions from God's teachings

[@bettycrockett5]

No, they speak as men. They don't care about people.

[@charlesmendeley9823]

Joseph Smith taught marrying underage girls and raping them is of God. So it is the teachings of your Mormon God, who is disgusting.

[@margaretforrest1410]

You have good and bad people in all religions

[@jordanalexander8099]

Yup, the bad must be exposed so that change happens to prevent things like this. There should be zero tolerance for anyone.

[@martinlovesthailand]

This is a disgusting video and frankly should be absolutely ashamed that this content is being used to gain money and notoriety. The fact that actually the teachings and practices of the church is explicitly against such abhorrent acts and that churches are trying to stop and prevent this by teaching true principles of the gospel of Christ - just makes this all the more ridiculous that the evil acts of abusers is being pinned on the church of Jesus Christ. As someone who works with people who have been abused, these are the acts of evil and is very much the opposite of what the church and the gospel of Christ teaches and warns against. Whilst on the other side, MAPs (‘minor attracted persons’ -the actually abusers themselves) have an 2SLGBTQIA+ flag and are proud of it. You can do much good nemo! - at the core you can see you are someone wanting to do good and can do this by using your energy and talent to fight against the actual abusers and real enemy.

[@msemmahale4608]

Martin - I am appalled that you are permitted to work with abuse survivors. Someone (you) who is horribly misinformed and biased, has no place in the psychology/sociology/therapy/counseling space. You wrongly conflate LGBTQIA+ organizations with a pedophile promoting one - just because they (MAPs) have a flag that mimics another group’s (LGBTQIA+) flag, you assert MAPs is accepted by the LGBTQIA+ organizations?!! That’s utter nonsense. No queer organization acknowledges or accepts MAPs/minor attracted persons. You are completely ignorant about what your own church’s protocol is for dealing with sexual abuse (and other forms of abuse). The hotline that bishops are instructed to use goes to their lawyers at Kirton and McConkie. The main concern in these phone calls is determining if the state (in the USA) is a mandatory reporting state for ecclesiastical leaders. If it is not, then the bishop is not only encouraged to NOT report but told that if they do report, the perpetrator can sue them (the Bishop) personally (as well as the church). Faced with potential financial ruin from being held liable for divulging privileged information (penitent privilege) Bishops don’t report. THIS IS EVIL. It is EVIL to protect the reputation and financial assets of the Mormon Church over the victims (many of whom are children). I’ll give you a homework assignment - how many years more was a child (MJ) in Bisbee, AZ, abused after the predator/father (Paul Adams) confessed to his bishop?

[@whitesalamander]

Did you actually watch the entire video? Hello, anybody home?

[@personofinterest8731]

Do spare us your hollow lecture of Nemo's efforts to clean up this sexually repressed group of LDS miscreants. Most of us have been around long enough to understand what happens when these acts are not dragged into the light.

[@jac9366]

This comment us somewhat disgraceful, the commenter should be aware of the deliverate actions of LDS church leaders in persistently protecting "MAP"s in their membership and making zero efforts to protect children from their predation, but many efforts to protect church funds from being accessed for compensation, Adam Paul Steed is a hero they did everything in their power to destroy. Nemo too has worked diligently with members I uk to ensure LDS youth are protected from potential abuse while the church resisted and in USA continues to deny this is an issue.

[@martinlovesthailand]

@@whitesalamander yes I did - and used to watch with a different lens but realised how skewed and negative that lens was to blame the church rather than actually blaming the one who did the abuser - if the church taught that this was a good thing then that would be worth the witch hunt, but it is very much the opposite. The church teaching is to teach purity and chastity, which includes going beyond abuse to include no pornography and even anything that resembles that. So to blame the church for the abhorrent actions is as ludicrous as blaming nemo for any such act of a subscriber!

[@donnellallan]

Thank you for this. 🩷

[@NEMOTHEMORMON]

You’re welcome 😊

[@sachafreedom9134]

Time and time again, victims are silenced, neglected and the predator is allowed to continue his SA and child SA. The Mormon church protects predators and offers them legal protection while protecting themselves. The abuse of women and children continues because the Mormon church doesn’t care that they are abused, they only care about hiding the abuse and silencing victims. ❤️‍🩹❤️‍🩹