The changes of polygamy and racial bans set a precedent for potentially allowing same-sex marriage in Mormon temples.
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@CHEYWOODB7 ай бұрын
It will NEVER happen.
@troycarter3497 ай бұрын
My friend I hope you are right. The church has already authorized a transgender man to be baptized it has already happened. Biological born man who transitioned to a woman and whose name is on the roles of the church as a female. It has already begun. I hope you can foster a meaningful relationship with the Savior Jesus Christ so that your faith in him is not shattered in the coming years when the church caves to society.
@Mabeylater2936 ай бұрын
Cheywoodb. Cough up your birth control first. Then type your comment again.
@mrmatt245 ай бұрын
@@troycarter349It was most likely just one local bishop who allowed that. So that's not really "the church" IMHO.
@mrmatt245 ай бұрын
I agree. They might come up with some second-class position to allow gays to still be in good standing (and not be celibate). But I don't see the church marring gays in the temple or anything until it's changed so much is completely unrecognizable from what we know now. Maybe in 100 years.
@BradPontiac4 ай бұрын
They said that with blacks getting the “priesthood”
@username_undefined8 ай бұрын
The revelation will surely come…after a legal threat of losing tax exemption.
@briddle19787 ай бұрын
The government can't take away the tax-exempt status of a religious organization simply because that religious organization doesn't allow certain practices. The 1st Amendment of the US Constitution guarantees that right.
@lynndichon9647 ай бұрын
It happened with blacks not being able to hold the priesthood in 1978 BYU was involved in a battle with tax exempt status
@jwinfrey62985 ай бұрын
The mormans are already allowing baptism, the ability to hold callings, yes they are well on there way,get those rainbow tie tags ready
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
@@jwinfrey6298And who are the mormans???!! 😂 😂 Maybe you meant mormons ?
@jwinfrey62984 ай бұрын
@@giuliom3564 lol 😆 no when I'm speaking of mormon men its morman and when women I call it mormon
@woodystube10003 ай бұрын
These comments are eye-opening. The knowledge of the plural marriage "commandment" being revoked is ok with you and doesn't shake your faith. The knowledge that the scripture about cursed people who are not "white and delightsome" was eventually ignored as though it wasn't really in the B of M, didn't shake your faith. The sudden admission by the church that Joseph Smith used a seer stone in his hat to search for buried treasure before he used it to "translate" the B of M, didn't shake your faith. When (not if) the church accepts and supports gay marriage, that will not shake your faith either. You still somehow convince yourself that the leaders of the church are just people and fallible, but the people who wrote your scriptures somehow were not. edited for typos
@scotthullinger46843 ай бұрын
Guess what? Many of these members of the church are NOT among the "white and delightsome." What do you believe Asian members of the church think about your asinine comment? Not only Asians, but members of the church in Latin America? Christ made a visit to the ancient inhabitants of the Americans. THAT is a portion of which the Book of Mormon is all about - Christ's visit to the Americas following his resurrection. The church's "sudden admission"? Uh, no. What you state has been claimed and known for a very long time indeed. It's not exactly a big mystery.
@kelleyturner65843 ай бұрын
I would love to see it change!
@DoctorWithoutDogma8 ай бұрын
Today’s doctrine is tomorrow’s policy.
@nolavee34778 ай бұрын
I sincerely hope that you can discern the amusement in my voice. I want to express my heartfelt gratitude to you for your contribution. It is my belief that The Church functions as an entity dedicated to implementing changes in its policies, which it may have embraced as doctrines.
@colemin26 ай бұрын
Isn't it the other way around? Policy is man's construction, doctrine is the Lord's command.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
@@nolavee3477The basic doctrines cannot change. Temple marriage is a basic doctrine almost like Baptisms for the dead.
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
Just like polygamy, Adam god, white and delightsome, black folk going to the temple, repealed ban of children of gay parents which rusty said was revelation from god in 2015 but then he changed his mind in 2019… and this list goes on and on… nothing true about this church, or any church. All false, all racist, all sexist, all homophobia, all corrupt.
@davisrand7562 ай бұрын
...And today's profit is tomorrow's heretic. You can ask Brigham Young about that.
@tatendatawodzera71978 ай бұрын
If they do that it will frustrate the most of the church teachings including the plan of salvation
@TheHoffy598 ай бұрын
They'll just have a new revelation from the current living prophet
@merrowwood7 ай бұрын
@@TheHoffy59No, they won't. People change, but doctrine never does.
@teehee40967 ай бұрын
@@merrowwoodDoctrine has changed multiple times.
@Mabeylater2936 ай бұрын
It will only frustrate the homophobes and their homophobic lies.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
@@teehee4096But core Doctrine never really changed
@ethandenton33938 ай бұрын
No. I don't believe they will change that. It goes against one of the main doctrines of the church: which is that of the Family. Homosexuality is still seen as a perversion of who we were created to be. The attraction is not a sin, probably because Jesus was tempted, and yet remained sinless.
@merrowwood7 ай бұрын
Precisely. There is a reason that God, through the prophets, released "The Family; A Proclamation to the World" decades before this hit mainstream culture.
@teehee40967 ай бұрын
Are you saying that Jesus was tempted to have gay sex and resisted it?
@ethandenton33937 ай бұрын
@@teehee4096 If I’m interpreting Hebrews 4:15 correctly. “15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” I also seem to remember something in my denomination’s theology about Him also feeling all of our temptations… ah yes: “11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.” Alma 7:11 There might be more in Isaiah, or a reiteration of the same thing. So based on those two scriptures, yes. We as members of the church also believe that the Atonement actually happened in the Garden, and not on the Cross. The Cross was also important for the mission of the Christ, but anyway, during the Atonement, He not only took the punishment for our sins, but he also chose to feel all of our fears, worries, and I believe temptations so that He could succor us the best. So, if He didn’t experience that directly, He most likely did experience it through the Atonement. If that makes sense.
@ethandenton33937 ай бұрын
@@teehee4096 If I am interpreting Hebrews 4:15 correctly: “For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.” Hebrews 4:15 However I am also remember something else from my denominations own theology… ah yes. “11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.” Alma 7:11 There might even be something similar in Isaiah.
@ethandenton33937 ай бұрын
@@tubeular5754 Guess so. But it has been corrected somewhat at least and I guess can be used now.
@johndove-cochran94965 ай бұрын
I'm gay and even I know that this will never happen. I'm no longer a member but I still believe quite a bit of the Church's teachings but to remotely think the teachings of eternal marriage will change is ridiculous.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
It's really almost impossible it happens. Maybe 0,1 % possibilities. While priesthood held by women is likely 5 % possibilities
@Notfromhere3478 ай бұрын
I think that when it becomes an issue for the church regarding money, property, or accreditation of BYU… changes will be made.
@merrowwood7 ай бұрын
Wishful thinking. The Church does not cave on points of doctrine.
@2atomicman7 ай бұрын
@@merrowwood did you not watch this video?
@LightflowFox7 ай бұрын
The Proclamation to the World on the family would have to be entirely disregarded. I don't see it happening.
@amandadangerfieldpiano4 ай бұрын
The Proclamation is true. And the Bible says a man should leave father and mother and cleave to his wife.
@kelleyturner65843 ай бұрын
Such bigoted LDS here.
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
The lds church has changed plenty of “doctrines” because of trends.
@vitalykartavykh10032 ай бұрын
@@tonelove666 not the basic one. Disregarding the family policy would bring about a schism.
@jeffreyrichardson_4 ай бұрын
People here are saying no it won’t happen because its contrary to the plan of salvation. With that logic, according to the church monogamy is contrary to the plan of salvation, but here we are. Btw - I do think it’s contrary to the plan of salvation, as is polygamy.
@JIKOKALOL7 ай бұрын
Joe Smith was a smart feller. Like Mark Twain said: " It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they were fooled."
@bluelady41834 ай бұрын
Well said!! I couldn’t have put it better!! @JIKOALOL
@jfk2268 ай бұрын
I'm not holding my breath. Happiness is possible outside the LDS church.
@briddle19787 ай бұрын
Okay, go and find your happiness.
@HaleStorm495 ай бұрын
Hoping to find that 🦄 someday.
@pneuma_23-rb4dx4 ай бұрын
deeper happiness for sure! I feel a deeper love for humans than I ever did while believing in so many as perceived sinners and judging that others don't have access to the most happy thing "the gospel." It's absolutely liberating.
@kelleyturner65843 ай бұрын
@@briddle1978Wow! Maybe listen to the Prophet and being peace makers.
@scottcarter10767 ай бұрын
It will never happen. Sorry
@teehee40967 ай бұрын
Wanna bet?
@Mabeylater2936 ай бұрын
Close your legs and cough up your birth control first then you’ll get my attention
@woodystube10003 ай бұрын
I'm just curious, will it shake your faith when the first gay couples are sealed in the temple?
@Frogman19434 ай бұрын
the proclaimtion to the world on the family I think in 1994 or 1995 clearly states this. the answer is a resounding NO.
@woodystube10003 ай бұрын
Who wrote that?
@DivinePeace110227 күн бұрын
@@woodystube1000The First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles
@Kikithewildling8 ай бұрын
According to Moroni, god doesn’t change his mind. 😮😅
@MavHunter20XX7 ай бұрын
There is nothing to corroborate that Moroni existed.
@Mabeylater2936 ай бұрын
Which is why he will change his “prophets”. Homosexuality was NEVER a sin in gods eyes. Men invented that.
@MavHunter20XX6 ай бұрын
@@Mabeylater293In Leviticus 20:13" If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them." Not a sin? Don't lie to yourself, you know its wrong. Jews would put these people to death because God determined they were harmful to the collective The desires of a man is supposed to be for the mother of his children. Anything else is a sin.
@JimStream9396 ай бұрын
God (wearing Russel M. Nelson silicone mask, and a dark suit with a tie): "Hohohohoho!"
@c.m.redhouse76675 ай бұрын
Is that why the practice of plural marriage...changed? Is that why in 2015, a policy to ban children of LGBTQ couples from being blessed and baptized...CHANGED just 4 years after...back to it's okay to bless and baptize children of LGBTQ couples? In the latter case, it was declared "doctrine", just to be changed 4 years after...did God change his mind on that? Banned on blacks to receiving the Priesthood and Temple blessings...changed?
@DvdRa6 ай бұрын
The only thing I know for sure is that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever. Just because you’re doing a great job at sharing man-made ideology, doesn’t mean it will happen. Sorry to burst your bubble…
@enigmaticvaran65975 ай бұрын
Deflection is a coping mechanism.
@DvdRa5 ай бұрын
@@enigmaticvaran6597 "deflecting" for saying the truth?? Interesting...
@scotthullinger46845 ай бұрын
The very fact that God is the same yesterday, today, and forever, is precisely the reason why there are SO many countless people constantly fighting against God. Man made theology is indeed created, (not ideology), but some actual genuine truth does actually exist out there. You just need to know where to find it -
God changes drastically with every era, and from denomination to denomination, theology to theology. Who speaks directly for god? The same people who change constantly change their minds about what god wants? The "Prophets" are regularly altering and contradicting themselves and their predecessors. Why do you think that is, if god is "the same forever?"
@vikkiledgard84838 ай бұрын
Money sure does count, doesn't it....🙄😱🤷🏻🤣♥️
@brisadelmar383 ай бұрын
probably, Church rules changed a lot , we love everyone and if it existed poligamy why not gay marriage? but Somoda and Gomorra were destroyed because of that, but church needs members of all kind isn’t?
@michellekost78466 ай бұрын
Nope. Wont happenen. This is false.
@HaleStorm495 ай бұрын
Better question, will people be gay in the next life?
@KylonRic4 ай бұрын
At that point it really will only be by choice
@HaleStorm494 ай бұрын
@@KylonRic explain
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
@@KylonRicomg how homophobic of you. Oh poor you. So threatened by other people and who they are. ( baby talk voice ) awww you’re gonna be ok, just breathe.
@nordicexile73782 ай бұрын
No. However, they won't be straight, either. The LDS church only pretends to understand how we will exist in the eternities. The capital-T Truth is that we will be beings both male and female, capable of having children on our own without a partner. This is how it was before earth life as well, where we divided our spirits into separate halves (for mortality) destined to be reunited in the hereafter after we experience both sides of the reproductive equation. In other words, both "polygamy" and "eternal marriage" are false doctrines.
@personofinterest87318 ай бұрын
Thank you for naming these women. I read read the book in 1993. I didn't know about the JS polygamy, and thought the book was anti-mormon literature! I would defend him! We were so bamboozled. Good work. ❤
@garyjohnson80265 ай бұрын
No. There will not. It is contrary to the plan of salvation.
@jondxxxiii4 ай бұрын
So was interracial marriage in Brigham Young's day, and beyond.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
@jondxxxiii But it's not the same thing. Priesthood ban was weird and contrary to Gospel principles while eternal marriage is based upon scriptures. If God created man and woman there's no space for gay marriage in the Temple.
@jondxxxiii4 ай бұрын
@@giuliom3564 You need to read the Inspired Version account of Genesis. The priesthood ban was completely based on scripture, not just an opinion.
@EstebanCarbajal-f3p8 ай бұрын
I just came across this channel and I love it! Keep the videos coming
@RickyMon8 ай бұрын
Unless it involves jail or tax money, it will never happen.
@defusionx8 ай бұрын
I would also argue a significant lose of tithing donations from members who disagree with the church's stance could also spark a "revelation".
@RickyMon8 ай бұрын
@defusionx if I was still a believer, that would be an absolut turn-off for me
@KylonRic4 ай бұрын
It still won’t happen, even then. It would be the equivalent of the church changing the doctrine of infant baptism. It would go against centuries of modern church authority quotes, and against established core doctrines taught in scripture
@Marc0108 ай бұрын
So the loss of potential younger patrons and social change are enough to change "Gods laws"? Gotcha
@i.est.del29918 ай бұрын
Yes. Any religious mythology must adapt to society at some point in order to maintain relevance and to avoid conflict with civil rights groups and governmental friction for holding outdated, discriminatory beliefs and translating them into organizational policy. “God’s Law” is the law of the men who currently act as the representatives and curators of LDS mythology, in much the same way that the Pope, Cardinals etc. act as the curators of Catholic mythology. Give it time, churches come around to societal betterment like the acceptance and full social integration of gay people into society. The church’s approach to gays has changed so much even in my short thirty years on the planet. When I was in the young men, open disgust and hatred of gays was still socially acceptable, and so the leaders treated it that way. Nowadays, leaders and members have attempted to incorporate a friendlier, more “compassionate” (at least on the surface) approach to gays overall and members who suffer from “SSA”. In two or three decades’ time, that’s my guess anyway, in order to avoid being labeled a hate group, the church will allow gay members to fully participate in the church as fully realized people who are allowed to be gay AND upstanding members of Mormon society albeit in a monogamous, highly patriarchal structure similar to the current exclusively heterosexual institution of marriage that reigns supreme. Wait until the Millennials begin to take the highest positions in the church hierarchy, then you’ll see the changes start to happen.
@tinknal64498 ай бұрын
@@i.est.del2991 Some day these words will be repeated back to you. You will not enjoy the context.
@Judy-cg3zs8 ай бұрын
if they do not engage in sex before marriage they can hold a calling and take sacrament, FINE. If a gay married couple is having gay sex, it’s a sin married or not, and continuing to do so why would they be worthy to take sacrament or hold callings? Just because they are married does not make it ok to have homosexual sex. It’s still sin in Gods eyes. As God loves all of us, he still wants us to turn to him for help to over come our sins instead , NOT STAY IN IT. WE ARE TO LOVE THE PERSON YET NOT APPROVE THE SIN. Or condone it. If you go to pastor Voddie click on his sermon “LOVE IS LOVE. He nails it.
@i.est.del29918 ай бұрын
@@tinknal6449 I’m so terrified!! Fire and brimstone!! 😂
@tinknal64498 ай бұрын
@@i.est.del2991 He takes a dim view on mocking and scoffing. I hope you find salvation. I said a prayer for you, that's about all I can do. Have a blessed day.
@bipolarrambling2428 ай бұрын
I wonder if priesthood for women will ever become a thing. On the one hand, they changed the doctrine for black people so they could now receive it, so perhaps they could do the same for women. On the other hand, I struggle to imagine the leaders being willing to concede any power to women, ever. Gay temple marriages are probably more likely, actually.
@Dnell-tb1yd8 ай бұрын
They’ll never have a black president! They took until 1978 to receive special revelation that racism was unacceptable. It’s frankly amazing that God’s supposed one true church was almost 20 years behind secular society
@hanako44758 ай бұрын
Sexism is so ingrained. 😔
@briddle19787 ай бұрын
Women do have significant leadership roles in the church and without women in those roles, much of the work of salvation would cease to be done. Also, did you know that women officiate in priesthood ordinances in the temple?
@bipolarrambling2427 ай бұрын
@@briddle1978 So why can't they officiate in priesthood ordinances outside of the temple?
@pneuma_23-rb4dx4 ай бұрын
The sad part about some of these comments is that people's relationship and salvation with God is so dependent on an organization/religion that things like this even being hypothesized is a threat to them in some way, shape or form. My relationship with God and belief in Jesus Christ is completely detached from any organized religion that it simply doesn't matter to me what any of them decide on their so-called doctrines of salvation. I read the Bible for me personally because I don't want/need a middle-man or middle-organization rather standing in-between and rearing it's ugly head. Salvation is personal so there is absolutely no reason I need authorization from some other mortal/imperfect human to help decide my salvation. The entire concept is ridiculously asinine. Do any of you really believe that God will base someone's acceptance to Celestial glory based on a ceremony in a building over someone who actually devoted their entire life to being loving to others. Even the idea that they still have to accept the true church at some point just to get in is so ridiculous. It's absolutely petty. Who you become is monumentally more important than making sure you've checked the "covenant path" boxes. Many who check those boxes haven't become loving. Of course those ordinances are to help them to become loving, but that's reliant on conformity. If someone's mission in life is to help innovate a way to cure cancer and never affiliate with the church in this life or the next and don't accept it any point, that's a pretty petty God if you ask me. I utterly refuse to believe in that kind of God. Someone motivated by love to cure cancer or other things is what its all about, not going through some "priesthood authority" to be "allowed" to live with God and your family. That's not a loving God in anyway. "you believed in the catholic christ, sorry no eternal family for you" "Oh your family was baptized and kids later married in the temple but stopped attending church weekly, sorry can't live with them." That's a heartless God.
@DexuzАй бұрын
I mean, I see many things within the Bible as petty, but you do you.
@pneuma_23-rb4dxАй бұрын
@@Dexuz agreed, when I say I read the bible, I'm referring to the concept of it being a catalyst of faith not an authority. I follow the academic study of the bible so I'm well aware of it's errors, its contradictions, questionable God that is actually loving. I see it more as an invitation to seek the divine rather than seeing it as the authority. In other words, I seek many other religious records with no bias to impose on anyone.
@DexuzАй бұрын
@@pneuma_23-rb4dx That is respectable, but at the end of the day, if you interpret the Bible in the way you see fit, you also interpret God the way you see fit, and I say the same about all major denominations, everyone has their own God, so to speak. In my case, I'd rather not get fooled, what is my chance of getting God right, or that anyone has ever gotten him right, maybe there's just no such thing.
@pneuma_23-rb4dxАй бұрын
@@Dexuz definitely some good points. I honestly don't try to seek so much of a concept of him rather than he's assisting me to seek my higher self and that he's a symbol of seeking my higher self. I keep it pretty simple, if what I feel I'm being lead to believe or do as lead by God isn't loving or is judgemental then, clearly I'm not being lead right. It works for me, I don't impose that it works for everyone else. I've had to drop my deep belief in the mormon religion to get where I'm at, I almost didn't believe in God anymore. I'm glad I got here though, I look back and see how judgmental I became without realizing it since I grew up in it.
@CAROLBRYANT-c8l4 ай бұрын
It will NEVER HAPPEN!!!
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
Yeah the mormons are WAY too racist sexist and homophobic to let that happen.
@kristinesharp62863 ай бұрын
Isn’t the perk of being gay that you don’t have to do all this?
@ChettyBaker4 ай бұрын
Nope! That's the one thing the Church will never budge because it would be in direct contradiction to the great plan of Salvation. Additionally; every change that occurred within the Church regarding policies was done because: either the Lord saw it wise to make those changes in order to preserve the Church (as in the abolition of polygamy,) which means at some point it will be re-instated, or because the Lord, in his mercy and wisdom, had decided it should be so, as in the case of extending the Priesthood to all worthy black members of the Church, but on this issue there will be no compromise.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
But priesthood ban was in contradiction with the Gospel. It's not just God's mercy but mostly a correction from God
@surelooksresourceful60323 ай бұрын
@@giuliom3564I think you’re mistaken
@woodystube10003 ай бұрын
My sincere hope is that you, and others in this comment section, save and read these posts five years from now. I wonder how your justifications will sound when the prophet reveals it is time to accept gay marriage. Of course, none of these folks will remember saying or writing any of this.
@surelooksresourceful60323 ай бұрын
@@woodystube1000 Thats hilarious. I wonder how you’ll feel when it NEVER happens. You really think it will change after the proclamation where it says a man and a woman united in marriage. God’s laws NEVER change.
@woodystube10003 ай бұрын
@@surelooksresourceful6032 My “feelings” are not invested in this one way or the other. I have zero vested interest in this issue, other than my fascination with the ever-changing “truth” of the LDS church. However, the church has established a very clear pattern of total capitulation to contemporary social issues. It is inevitable. It will absolutely happen. When it does, all the “it will never happen” folks will have a decision to make. Predictably, most will decide to roll with it and accept the new norm, as happens each time there is a fundamental change in church doctrine.
@tracy83598 ай бұрын
The law of adoption seems like it could be doctrinally solid way to accommodate gay sealings.
@plporter7 ай бұрын
The law of adoption did not grant permission to have sex with those that became your "adopted" children. That is a pretty big difference.
@tracy83595 ай бұрын
True, but JS and BY used the law of adoption to seal themselves to their bros. I don't think it was a gay thing, but it could be repurposed to accommodate gay sealings.
@mormonolog2 ай бұрын
Same sex relationship is not always about sex. Historically Church sealed same sex friends for eternal covenant (Eg Joseph Smith and Brigham Young). I hope that what ever recognition same sex relationships receive they will not get confused with man-woman celestial marriage and enjoy their own status.❤
@gj12345678999997 ай бұрын
Christians back then had iron clad beliefs and didn’t stomach anything that deviated from the Christian faith like polygamy and put pressure on the Mormons. However, Christian’s in the U.S. is dying and ironically people can have open polygamous lifestyles and society now doesn’t bat an eye. Mormons need to stand firm and society around will indeed change, but they can whether it. Also Mormons are a lot more powerful now than they were back then to resist change. Catholic Church won’t allow gay marriage. If they do people will leave the church.
@blueoceans95967 ай бұрын
Where is the source?
@officialbrandonvega5 ай бұрын
This never happened
@Sentinel28-134 ай бұрын
Sorry... but I brought this up with a Gay friend of mine years ago.... at that time I claimed that temple marriage for homosexuals was the goal of the gay community. But one only need read 3 Nephi 16 to know that if the church were 'forced' to allow such marriages.... ALL temples would shut down for live marriages. That would be the rejection of the gospel by the gentiles and lead to the destruction spoken of by early prophets.
@woodystube10003 ай бұрын
Total nonsense. The church is ultimately going to recognize that gay money and influence is just as powerful and valuable as straight money and influence. You may choose to believe the current set of church doctrine if you wish, but do not fool yourself into believing the church is not first an foremost a multi-billion dollar corporation. They will not shut down anything that brings in money. You must pay a "full tithe" to have a temple recommend. You must have a temple recommend to enter the temple for a "live marriage."
@nordicexile73782 ай бұрын
Nah, the church would never close the temples: they are the key driving force behind all that sweet tithing revenue!
@djr53727 ай бұрын
Not a chance.
@David-ue9cs5 ай бұрын
The Savior will not let that happen in his Holy House. Just because man changes man s laws, it is not Gods laws. Sin is still sin. So, same sex marriage will never Happen ever in this lifetime or in the life to come!!!!
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
If you read your mormon history you’ll find that the reason your holy house was invented was so that joe could have sex with children and make it seem like god told him to. That’s why he created the idea of polygamy and that was the purpose of the sealings. It’s all there for you to read.
@amandadangerfieldpiano7 ай бұрын
Jesus is clear about marriage. A man should cleave to his wife. I love what Gwendolyn Wyne says about polygamy and recommend her paper and videos.
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
He was very clear to joe when he sent an angel with a flaming sword to tell him he had to marry and consummate the marriage with children and their mothers… and some mothers that were already married.. according to joe. Don’t believe me though.. just read the facts in your mormon history. It’s all there.
@jisezer8 ай бұрын
*When y'all say "blacks" it reminds me of why I left the church.*
@praestant88 ай бұрын
I don't know any such person who prefers differently.
@imaginativewriters-animate21638 ай бұрын
how about black people instead of blacks??? @@praestant8
@jisezer8 ай бұрын
@@praestant8 I don't know any Black people who like for us to be called "the blacks" and I'm guessing I know a lot more Black people than you because I am Black.
@HaleStorm495 ай бұрын
Everyone has a price. They got you on the cheap.
@Songsofourown233 ай бұрын
@@jisezerExactly
@paulbeasley31525 ай бұрын
Dont spread speculation. Spread the Truth. This is an untruth
@hugomilne-home83107 ай бұрын
m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3y5qHuXd5KLrq8 This video, by a Latter-day Saint, makes the claim that this change is unlike the race and priesthood or polygamy, and therefore could not occur or it would be destroying to the churchs claims
@KylonRic4 ай бұрын
Yep. We need only look at historical references regarding these topics. Polygamy has been practiced in the scriptures and multiple church leaders have taught the conditions of its practice. Priesthood bans based on genealogy are taught in the scriptures and multiple church authorities have expounded on this. There is no historical reference or church authority who has referenced gay temple If this happens, it would be the same as the church ending the practice of baptism. Something never before taught or practiced
@imaginativewriters-animate21638 ай бұрын
your title is click bait
@GastyX1536 ай бұрын
I'd like to reiterate that FEELING same-sex attraction is not a sin, but ACTING on it and dating or marrying someone of one's own sex IS. That's what President Hinckley meant when he said that people would only be punished for their actions.
@BrianTerrill6 ай бұрын
The problem is the church hasn't clarified for those feeling same sex attraction exactly where the line is drawn. Growing up as a straight member, we were taught not tafter women. Now the gay members are confused, apparently because the church hasn't made this clear that you can't be kissing a guy if you are a guy. Some liberal bishops are even allowing it.
@c.m.redhouse76675 ай бұрын
But they still can live a homosexual life, as long as they repent repeatedly. That is the same as a temple married LDS man having an affair with another lady...over and over again. These "temple recommend" holding LDS men are masters in the law of repentance. We are now being taught the importance of repentance. It seems like 30 years ago, we were taught murder, suicide, and denying God was "game over". Now, we are taught that LDS people who engage in "suicide or murder" can be forgiven by God. Think about the temple recommend holding LDS man from an area near Cedar City who murdered his whole family last year...is it "game over" for him? Most LDS people think not. Looks like the "bar has been lowered" since my earlier days as a Latter Day Saint. To me, suicide, murder, denying God, denying the gospel, temple married person cheating on wife (after holy commitments made with the Lord in the holy temple), pedophile church leaders are all worst then two same-gender adult couples living a homosexual life. At the end of the day, most of the world's population (regardless of religion, nationality, sexual orientation, etc) will be "punished", but will make it back to so-call "heaven" (Celestial, Terrestrial, or Telestial kingdoms)...due to the grace of the Lord and law of repentance.
@danielbennion808 ай бұрын
I'm not expecting it. More likely are the disasters and calamities prophesied by prophets past and present, causing people to rethink their values and priorities as they witness horrific disasters, most likely of which they will be sorely afflicted participants. If you're brave enough to test the waters, be prepared for the consequences.
@juansalvatierra36758 ай бұрын
God said same sex relations are unnatural and an abomination. Truth is eternal, God is perfect and does not change! Romans chapter 1.
@JYDIVISN8 ай бұрын
God also said to remember the Sabbath and keep it holy or punishment is death. Yet you’re posting on the sabbath.
@ChrisKirkland-k8k8 ай бұрын
Amen, brother!
@charlesmendeley98237 ай бұрын
@@JYDIVISN And Sabbath is Saturday, so people not resting on Saturday (!) break God's commandments.
@briddle19787 ай бұрын
@@JYDIVISN That law was actually given to the tribes of Israel, and Jesus Himself disobeyed that commandment on the basis of the greater good and to teach the Sadducees a lesson on how to follow the spirit of the law and not the letter of the law.
@garyjohnson80265 ай бұрын
It was rumored? I think you had better give us an actual source.
@Freddy789097 ай бұрын
First of all, comparing polygamy and race to being gay is a controversial and unwise comparison. Secondly the Bible is very clear on this issue, unlike polygamy and race. And btw, Joseph Smith was not a polygamist
@Glass-Looker7 ай бұрын
No offense, but you lose all credibility when you claim Joseph was not a polygamist.
@Freddy789097 ай бұрын
@Looker I'm not offended at all. I don't mind defending Joseph Smith. He might have engaged in spiritual sealings but they were not earthly marriages. Joseph Smith also sealed himself to other men and sealed children to parents so obviously the context was not "earthly marriage"
@plporter7 ай бұрын
@@Freddy78909 The sealing of children to their own parents, came decades later. My GGGGrand Aunt, the last living wife of JS spoke at BYU and said the exact opposite of what you said. Who do you think knows about about what JS said and did in private? Her or you?
@Freddy789097 ай бұрын
@@plporter I don't believe you. Post a link to evidence.
@plporter7 ай бұрын
@@Freddy78909 do you really want to know, or do you just want to confirm the conclusion you jump to? www.ldshistory.us/pc/merlsy.htm
@albertito774 ай бұрын
Well it won't be a change for the better that's for sure. It will drive more diehard conservatives out of the church who will either go Fundamentalist, or start a LDS circa 1978 mark 2. As much as I hate polygamy she racism, the squishy nature of the LDS hierarchy is concerning.
@patriciafinn57178 ай бұрын
What a disturbing past and yet its so important now to be pure and perfect...fancy that!!!..
@h.c48985 ай бұрын
Brother@ The Chuch has to comply with ALL governmental deceees no matter what the subject matter is. Otherwise, it's illegal and the Church will never put itself in this position and put its members in illegal position. Plus laws vary from one country to the next. Wherever the Chuch is legally in it has to comply with the laws of the country it's in. While Polygamy is wildly debated by non mormons. Remember one thing. It's about selflessness. About the priesthood, it was a political issue so it was outside the Church control. Same sex marriage, you will need to revise the entire Bible first. Cos the Bible is CLEARLY anti-queer in this debate. That's the first filter you need to cross line with before touching the Chuch. You can identify as "queer" in the Chuch but you can't act on it. Remember it's about protecting the family unit as prescribed in scripture. Not about "social emancipation". In other words, about promoting a program for selfish reasons.
@plporter7 ай бұрын
I think that is some huge wishful thinking. You had some good points, but you got the History of Polygamy wrong. If you really understood what most older males in the church look fondly on the future day when polygamy is re-instated. It is not going to happen. I suggest you just walk away with whatever dignity you have left.
@jeanleatham20804 ай бұрын
It will NEVER HAPPEN
@eliza6198 ай бұрын
That would be the end for TMBs.
@c.m.redhouse76675 ай бұрын
No, it will not happen...however, they may allow gay marriages or at least receptions in local church buildings. Give it 20-30 years down the road. But Temple marriages...never.
@thereluctantwatchman6 ай бұрын
FWIW, I don't believe Joseph was a polygamist. I know, I know, the church narrative says that he was, but a deeper dive into history would suggest otherwise.
@joanofarcxxi4 ай бұрын
God does not change. God's nature does not change. You have to go by God's word and the scriptures. There are several references in the old and new testaments pertaining to homosexual interactions. It's very specific writing. Homosexuality is condemned by God. Not the feelings, but the actions. This is not because God doesn't love everyone equally. It is because it goes against natural law and therefore has consequences. Medically speaking, there are countless reasons why homosexual activity, particularly in males, leads to disease. Many laws exist to protect us, even if we don't like their restrictions. I don't believe that homosexuals choose their feelings. But as free agents, all human beings can choose their actions and lifestyles. The Mormon church seems to be constantly changing their rules. That's just not even logically ideal, much less spiritually. God loves us and we are saved by grace, not by works. But the sexual sins are on a category of their own because God's word says that they are sins against our own bodies and therefore they have more severe consequences. Again, God still loves us, but for every action there is a natural law reaction. As for the Mormon church accepting gay marriage, perhaps, but that would go against its family teachings. In gay relationships, there cannot be natural offspring. However, there is a lot of money in the gay community, and having church faithful gay members would greatly add to the loot....
@zm32487 ай бұрын
The current Sith Lord and his next 5 successors would have to die first
@pneuma_23-rb4dx4 ай бұрын
I love this!
@KylonRic4 ай бұрын
So which GA are you claiming will go against scripture, doctrine, and modern church authorities over the past 190 years?
@informationaccount44888 ай бұрын
The church never should have compromised on Celestial Marriage then, and they shouldn't compromise now. Looking into the 1886 Revelation, maybe it's time to look for the Priesthood in another lineage of prophets.
@ramzkihotversion87657 ай бұрын
It is not possible
@francoislescour71795 ай бұрын
Will the church accept gay polygamy ?🤨
@mickragragio44725 ай бұрын
Mark my words it will never happened i know some lds members going to lgbtq something like that nonesense since then they never go to church
@medeekdesign7 ай бұрын
It will come down to tax exempt status, forced upon it, the Church will cave.
@merrowwood7 ай бұрын
The Church literally left the United States of America rather than cave to outside pressure. It will never cave, certainly not for something as petty as tax exemption.
@phillipcook34303 ай бұрын
I think there are bigger concerns if the US government tries to force a church to do its bidding. If that were to happen your life is soon to have ideologies forced upon you that will make you break.
@tracienielson71835 ай бұрын
Won't happen. Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. The polygamy argument is a non-starter. God allowed polygamy in the OT. The BOM says it is not preferred, but allowed in extreme circumstances.
@Brambrew5 ай бұрын
Deuteronomy 22:28-39 28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives. Let's not use the Bible as a moral authority hun, it's an evil book
@chrysanthemum83925 ай бұрын
Nope
@teddtarr6 ай бұрын
Based on the corporate bottom line
@paulamortensen364 ай бұрын
Never
@thecrazyeight72508 ай бұрын
The church of the latter-gay saints.
@praestant88 ай бұрын
Wouldn't that be wonderful!
@GavinRegnaert5 ай бұрын
Doctrine, theology, practices, etc. change so much in the LDS church in order to go along with the times that it won’t surprise me at all if it happens.
@jamesbaldwin76768 ай бұрын
Didn't the Lord finally allow for the Old Testament Hebrews to have a King according to their wishes and wasn't that Saul?
@noellamaestoyschannel9066 ай бұрын
True what about... Breaking the law of chastity
@blingiy5 ай бұрын
This will absolutely never happen, because it is contrary to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and the work of God never varies or changes!
@Glass-Looker5 ай бұрын
I don’t think you even watched the video.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
@@Glass-LookerHonestly there's zero doctrinal space for this change. It's easier women receiving the priesthood 😅
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
Hahaha you people and your jesus nonsense.
@nordicexile73782 ай бұрын
@@giuliom3564 Don't worry, that's on it's way, too.
@mclassie777 ай бұрын
This is bogus!
@confusedwhynot3 ай бұрын
No!! It will never happen. Honestly you don't understand the doctrine of Christ.
@freethinker23504 ай бұрын
Yeah right
@sidelivera27694 ай бұрын
Contents nowadays leads you to confusion. It is important to research your own.
@harshitgarg4192 ай бұрын
if this happens, I'd be appaled
@Glass-LookerАй бұрын
Why’s that?
@harshitgarg419Ай бұрын
@@Glass-Looker b/c LGBTQ is objectively bad to society and its growth and priorities. LGBTQ relationships are filled with more meaningless sex than straight ones and are filled with more public nudity than straight ones. (my source: pride parades)
@juliejenkins35722 ай бұрын
I don't think that would be for the better.
@DLR19764 ай бұрын
This will NEVER happen ! STOP deceiving people !
@kevinwally26246 ай бұрын
Sadly, we are on the pathway for it to happen. This will defile the temple and its purpose. Since God is the same yesterday, today and forever it will be unjust for God to condemn this practice in the past and reverse it now.
@MrSkabeaters4 ай бұрын
It will happen when the Sun sets in the East and rises in the West, and when Idaho legalizes Marijuana.
@TerryLee-h6w5 ай бұрын
Joseph was not a polygamist. This was Bring them your and united.
@JoshuaMcCoy-t6n5 ай бұрын
Joseph was a polygamist
@NathanRBradfordMusic3 ай бұрын
Because a marriage with two men or two women doesn’t exist in Heaven, it won’t happen in the temple. This set up wouldn’t do God’s children any good anyway.
@tonelove6662 ай бұрын
Wow you’ve been to heaven?
@KylonRic4 ай бұрын
Plural marriage: practiced in the scriptures. Priesthood restrictions based on genealogy: practiced in the scriptures. Gay temple marriage: never practiced in the scriptures. You’re giving false hope. Stop it
@ngatihine60728 ай бұрын
Yeah, the doctrine of eternal families will broaden to include the modern family in heaven. The sealings that have happened from the churches' beginning are a complete stew. I reckon everyone will be sealed to everyone. it's a joke.
@kt28164 ай бұрын
Nope. Never ever.
@Telavian8 ай бұрын
Yes it is very likely at some point
@ejs77214 ай бұрын
Correction. Joseph Smith didn't actually practice polygamy.
@giuliom35644 ай бұрын
It's too striking evident Joseph practiced polygamy. To deny that is almost like denying earth is a globe 🌐
@ejs77214 ай бұрын
@giuliom3564 let me get the strawman out of the way. I don't believe the world is flat. As far as Joseph Smith practicing polygamy. If you dive into the actual evidence and sources, you will find gapping holes in the narrative and problematic sources that have been altered. The reality is that there is no actual contemporary evidence and that Joseph, Hyrum, Emma, and many others only fought against it. They published articles in the newspaper, gave sermons condemning it, they canonized scripture, and excommunicated members for practicing it. The evidence points to Brigham Young and associates as the primary practitioners.
@ejs77214 ай бұрын
@giuliom3564 First of all, let's get the strawman out of the way. I don't believe the world is flat. Now, as far as Joseph Smith practicing polygamy, if you study the contemporary evidence you'll find gapping holes in the narrative and problematic sources. The evidence shows that Joseph, Hyrum, Emma and many others did everything they could to denounce and condemn the practice of polygamy.
@ejs77214 ай бұрын
@@giuliom3564 First of all, let's get the strawman out of the way. I don't believe the world is flat. Now, as far as Joseph Smith practicing polygamy, if you study the contemporary evidence you'll find gapping holes in the narrative and problematic sources. The evidence shows that Joseph, Hyrum, Emma and many others did everything they could to denounce and condemn the practice of polygamy
@ejs77214 ай бұрын
@giuliom3564 just fyi, I don't believe the world is flat. Now, as far as Joseph Smith practicing polygamy, if you study the contemporary evidence you'll find gapping holes in the narrative and problematic sources. The evidence shows that Joseph, Hyrum, Emma and many others did everything they could to denounce and condemn the practice of polygamy
@grayman72087 ай бұрын
bull.
@TheHoffy598 ай бұрын
It always comes down to money doesn't it?
@margaretforrest14104 ай бұрын
No, no, no
@Brambrew5 ай бұрын
In 2029
@alexadam3534 ай бұрын
HEavenly father is NOT a "respecter of persons."
@TheMowst4 ай бұрын
No No No
@Jsppydays7 ай бұрын
It will happen. Wait for it
@SkinBike3 ай бұрын
Nope. It goes against the entire purpose of God's plan; "to bring about the immortality and eternal life of man." This process can only survive if men and women have families. I support everyone's right of agency but that doesn't change the plan of salvation.
@Glass-Looker3 ай бұрын
Honestly, I can respect this perspective. While I want the LGBTQ community to receive better treatment and support, I agree that allowing them to marry in the temple contradicts everything I was taught at church growing up.
@deenaschmelzle53412 ай бұрын
Never...
@Glass-Looker2 ай бұрын
That’s what people used to say about polygamy, but that took a 180.
@Brotherhickman7 ай бұрын
good luck with that.
@vitalykartavykh10032 ай бұрын
I think you guys are demonstrating wishful thinking. However, Family: Proclamation to the World reads: "a God-blessed union between a MAN and a WOMAN". If God said that, it will never change. Gay people can do whatever they please here but there is no such thing as a gay marriage in heaven. So it will NEVER happen.