MOSCOW IDAHO HOMICIDES - CRIME PROFILING with DR. JOHN MATTHIAS -

[@aunc3281]

I started watching true crime channels because of the psychology aspect. I have come to care for the victims & families. It is never okay to ruin lives w/ attacking people via baseless speculation. Your channel is wonderful, thank you.

[@bethanywhite877]

I enjoy True Crime because I’m very interested how they solve it and the psychology of people who kill. Especially serial killers. When somebody is cleared we need to stop speculating on things that are just baseless and a rumor.

[@LittleOrla]

I agree. I've dropped all channels who randomly speculate.

[@howareyou857]

100%

[@TaurusQuween]

Gosh I couldn't agree more. Those poor people getting everything thrown at them, every way, and every direction!!!

[@CarolineBenji]

same

[@debbier3223]

This has to be one of the saddest cases I’ve ran across in a while.

[@ayanolsson]

Since Gabbie Petito case?

[@kivonna9360]

I’m so sad Mindhunters didn’t continue… it was my absolute favorite!

[@joanlynch5271]

I know it was good. The one about BTK was very interesting.

[@lclaire1000]

Dr John’s tribute to Michael “Monkey” Vaughn is beautiful, passionate and filled with raw emotion. It left me speechless. Thank you Dr John. I love and appreciate you both for all you do. 💙 and, yes, that heart is blue, for Monkey

[@VV-th5is]

I appreciate the no bells or whistles, just the facts, knowledge, and Dr. John's hands on experience. I am a new subscriber.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you for subbing ❤. We are glad you found is

[@ninaschultz6922]

100 % agreed ❤ besides John's wits - Lauren too, honest journalism with heart, so good 😊

[@michelle14749]

Love how professional you both are.

[@austinpowers1999]

JUSTICE FOR SHANQUILLA

[@JCluvsdogs]

I listened to this 5.30.23. Wow, Dr. John, you really did nail this suspect, if indeed BK is guilty. I've learned so much by listening to you. It's helping me process almost 50 years of abuse that I've survived. Please keep up the great work!

[@jsthecat]

There are KZbin creators that are not about the truth they are purely for clickbate, gossip and drama. And then there are creators like you and many others that do this with integrity and ethics. Thank you for this excellent content.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you for these kind words

[@thedobermom9400]

All the yes. I love the Mr and Mrs Brainiac duo!!!!

[@j.a.n.7519]

Re: Murphy the dog. Kaylee's family has said that Murphy was really still just a puppy, never barked at strangers, was accustomed to many people coming in and out of the house, and would have been comfortable with anyone entering the home. So yeah, the dog was not a threat.

[@ninaschultz6922]

I do wonder about the actual crime scene evidence presented during trial from house, about the surviving dog. How was K9 found, what it did, I really want to know; some questions around the little dog got stuck in my mind, this one bugs me 😢

[@BluieBeth]

I am currently enrolled in grad school for forensic psychology. This was a great help to me! Thank you! New subscriber for sure 🥰

[@jennifer17032]

I think Dr. Matthias is spot on with Kaylee being the target. She had moved out of the home. All of her belongings were gone. She comes for a visit and these murders happen. My gut tells me that's not a coincidence.

[@ninaschultz6922]

I totally agree 100% with you. BK went in the house for all 4 of them specifically. He must've known (social media!) Kaylee was back.

[@ローズマリア-o6u]

I totally agree with all of you guys. I’ve been thinking the same thing but no body talked about it so I left it. But I totally believe it was Kaylee. And yes other 3 plus.

[@michelle14749]

Interesting to hear about the difference between mass murderers and serial killers.

[@giorgismama8024]

Lauren and Dr John are two of the best of the best creators in True Crime. When I watch, I know I will get factual information and with Dr John’s psychological expertise, it satisfies my desire to understand why. I have a bachelor’s in psychology which gives me just enough to scratch the surface and Dr John takes me through all the layers. Lauren’s expertise as a journalist makes this intriguing, yet without wild speculation. Thank you both for giving of your time and talents!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you so much!!

[@BlackStump172]

Good journalists know what questions to ask .

[@TheScientificSkeptic]

Awww, I'm honored. One little important addition. My comment about "all true crime channels should disappear" had the caveat of "on the net" which implied that the bad outweighs the good, not that the good channels are not value added and make important contributions. I only wish that there were far more Hidden True Crimes. :)

[@TheScientificSkeptic]

As for John's comment about profiling, I concur on his assessment and said about the same. Some of it and the best of it are indeed evidence-based and grounded in science and statistics but some degree of it is indeed an art and strongly correlates with the quality of the profiler.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

We appreciate you Skep! Your skill and talent is appreciated, and we can only imagine it is exhausting calling out the bad actors. Thanks for teaching us critical thinking, and what to look for in creators we can trust and follow.

[@Mom23kitties]

Darn sorry I missed the live!! I love watching you and John. You compliment each other perfectly. Your both so knowledgeable in your fields and a joy to watch without all the backstabbing that happens on some other channels. Keep up the great work!

[@pnwmamabear4810]

Missed your live. I’m not a college kid but I do know that here hunting and carrying weapons and knives are just part of the culture. I haven’t heard anyone mentioning anything about that yet, and it surprises me. It is so surreal you guys talking about something so close to home…Monkey, and the Daybell/Vallow case was close enough, this one is in my “backyard”.

[@nomerompanlaspelotas5812]

without all the backstabbing...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@BlackStump172]

@@nomerompanlaspelotas5812 🤢🤮😡

[@crystaldawn9255]

Who in the heck would slander you guys? You guys have always been an honest, factual, open, interesting, intriguing, educational, thoughtful, empathtic, and respectful Channel. There is very very few I can follow anymore when it comes to true crime, and you guys are the top

[@SleutherStrode]

Social media it’s like the Wild West, these two are good people with good intentions

[@TheScientificSkeptic]

Hear, hear!

[@cookie_dough_hangover]

Social media is full of these kind of people. It's an opportunity to slander decent people hiding behind the anonymity that the internet offers. It's crazy.

[@lottieeliza6699]

Jealous people that’s who. Negativity comes from jealously. They say if you ruffle some feathers you’re doing something right!

[@julieelle1682]

You two are beyond adorable and your service to others is so appreciated, I subscribed immediately❤

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Welcome! We are so glad to have you here

[@evjay2103]

Very few creators are ethical these days. Thankfully we have ppl like you, who are sensible & moral. IMO the true crime community has went downhill recently. Everyone gets accused or murder these days, just because of creators greed, wanting clicks that make them money

[@Connie-E]

Your channel popped up on my main page tonight and after listening to so much on you tube about Moscow Idaho, I had to stop and listen. I have subscribed in the past but I actually forgot about it, and so happy that I found it again tonight. This is absolutely The Best Live that I have heard on the Idaho murders. I love criminal profiling and John is great and so right on with what I have been thinking about the murderer. I will definitely be back for more of your content. I did miss the first and going to listen to it now. Great Job tonight Lauren and John.

[@austinpowers1999]

JUSTICE FOR SHANQUILLA

[@BlackStump172]

A gun would be noisy though , especially in an area where houses and apartments are close . Sound would travel loudly and quickly .

[@chicosmummy]

Just subscribed after watching your content for a few weeks. I am so over the bad actors that I find myself being more and more discerning before hitting that button. I love Scientific Skeptic too. I want to come away from viewing more educated not less and I feel enriched watching you both.

[@PrimetimeKCL]

Great job, again, Lauren and John!! I'm a big fan of your content!! You guys make a great pair in this!

[@lamesafilipinofoodclub6202]

Got the kids to bed hubby snoring NOW I can finally listen so looking forward to it have missed you both ❤

[@UBwalkswiththeKing]

Love your channel and your chemistry. There is an obvious mutual love and respect and your insight into the most horrible cases is invaluable. ❤

[@pearlskid8425]

Advice for LOUISIANA GIRL- I too did not meet my husband until I was 35. My mother told me “the rest of your life with the wrong person is a very long time.” My husband was my first boyfriend. I always wanted to marry my best friend. We have been together for 26 years and married for 24. We both came from dysfunctional families and we individually had a lot of therapy by the time we met. Therapy was of huge help in not repeating the mistakes of our parents. Always believe you are the best and deserve the best and as John and Lauren said DON’T SETTLE. ❤

[@la1930]

At the 15:00 minute mark.... I wondered if mace was used first to disable sight and ability to properly fight back? 🤷‍♀️ And thank you both. A long time fan from 🇨🇦.

[@virlandi]

I don’t comment often but your respectful and professional relationship warrants me saying I so enjoy watching you both! Many Fridays I hope you go on! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 If I fall asleep I’ll catch right up Saturday morning! 😉 With much respect!!! 😊

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

THANK YOU Virginia! Your comment means a lot to us.

[@lynnbowenrealestate]

I found and watch Mind Hunter from start to finish. Loved it and hope they make another season

[@bethanywhite877]

Me too!

[@louebegg3623]

You should read 5e books by John Douglas

[@bethanywhite877]

@@louebegg3623 what are e books? Are they online or something? I'm still one that likes actual books...lol. I'm definitely interested in reading them.

[@dragonmummy1]

I’m watching from the UK at 7.30am. Love it, but there are ads every few minutes and I’m not sure I can continue to the end.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Fixing it now. Thanks for letting us know

[@merrilynmeadows4237]

Just found your channel. I am so happy. I feel so much more informed. Thank you, thank you,thank you! Dr. M is so easy to understand - he doesn’t talk above or below but to you. Mrs. M keeps subject flowing in one direction- like she knows the questions you would ask. Great team!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you Merrilyn! We are so glad you found us.

[@corinnewinterrousset]

Excellent episode Lauren and Dr John. I’d love to know the statistics on this - of all the suspect profiles generated by a profiler, what is the % of accuracy of the profile, once the guilty party is established and convicted? Thanks for your dedication to keep it serious and real.

[@Hanliebez1]

Thank you SO much for this insightful episode.

[@vettelover695]

Can I ask what insight? So far I haven’t heard anything except descriptions of some theories. 🧐

[@riverrun3995]

Dr John you always add depth to my understanding of criminal behavior, Thank you!

[@hopeful8975]

I recently read the book The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule. Ann Rule worked with Ted Bundy for a period of time and became a pretty good friend. She tells a ton more information about Ted Bundt’s life than anyone else I have read, very interesting. But like what you are saying…Ted Bundy was insecure because of poor upbringing, or at least not as rich as the group he wanted to belong to. Because of a charming personality and good looks he snags a beautiful girl from an affluent family, he is totally enamored with her. At first she loves him but eventually She rejects him because she saw him as unfocused and she wanted someone affluent as she was used to. So after being rejected this is the type women he attacks over and over.

[@howareyou857]

They even all looked like her

[@barbaraanne2136]

Dr. John's explanations of the crime scene categories is new info that hasn't been mentioned as far as I know, but very helpful in order to create an image of the murderer.

[@kathys5525]

U both r always SO caring to get the Right, Correct, Vetted True info out to us!! BRAVO!!!!!

[@barbaraanne2136]

Is there any indication of the Martial arts training?

[@lilybee_]

So glad I've found your channel. I agree, internet sleuths need to use their abilities for good. We might research hundreds of cases in our lifetime and dig up interesting facts. However, the number of cases we're going to be a key too will be rare. I'd encourage people who really want to make that kind of difference to become a PI or LE locally if that's their goal. Other than that, we should be supporting victims and LE above and beyond. We should support people who are trying to make it change laws for victims. We can do so much good in our communities. Creators provide an amazing resource for all of us. I don't know how you do it. The dedication and work it takes to have a KZbin channel and report and investigate these cases must be huge.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you for this wonderful comment. We agree!

[@a.amanning7631]

Love dr John. So sincere and real. Respect

[@marcosmarin8930]

I hope that you can do an interview with such a clever guest about the Delphi murders and Richard Allen. It would be GREAT !!!

[@junacrause8688]

Dr Matthias is the first person that i think is spot on. This is exactly what i have been thinking. Will see . ... hopefully they catch him soon.

[@robyn874]

As always.. Your a great team able to bounce off one another to keep the flow going. Excellent examples Dr John explained easily for us lay people, Ty. Fascinating intriguing & terrifying topic

[@expensivepink7]

Sorry for all my comments - adding as I watch. Thank you for the info and your perspectives. I seriously appreciate the fact you guys are not speaking in absolutes like “the killer could have NEVER…” there’s so much we don’t know about the actual crime, so when people make those sweeping statements I question it. Appreciate the expertise and nuance I hope Ethan, Xana, Maddie, and Kaylee can get Justice soon.

[@alwaysflushinpublic]

Sad to be 3 mths late catching up but I've been following Murdaugh since 2017 - it was in my backyard. Finding your channel and your in depth multi-academic approach has been eye opening and refreshing. Thank you guys for all you do! And for sharing your years of experience with us 👀

[@expensivepink7]

Last comment - so glad I found this channel with such smart and lovely people! Will definitely be returning and checking more content out once finals are over.

[@cindik4984]

An acquaintance of mine attended U of Idaho ROTC program in the late 90's. Is there still an ROTC program today?

[@chesneyhoagland-fuchs8460]

Thanks!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Chesney-THANK YOU!! ❤ this means so much to us, and we’ve always appreciated you and your support

[@cherielong217]

Good evening, Lauren and Dr. John. There has been so much discussion about the use of the knife and the possibility/probability that the killer would have wounded himself/herself, during the commission of the crimes. I've often wondered if in fact the killer was indeed wounded, and if there has been a visit, or visits, to any medical facility, to treat any wounds. Do either of you feel as though that this type of information would be shared with the public, or would LE keep this type of information from public knowledge, so as not to tip off the killer?

[@multiverser9585]

Very educational and informative! I really hope you produce more programs like this when we have substantial new developments in the case or, hopefully soon... an arrest.

[@kfgregg]

I believe that Murphy is a Golden Doodle... very loving and friendly temperament 🤗🐾🐾 I just found your channel... Love it‼️

[@Connie-E]

As I watch the part that I missed. This is sooo good. What you both are saying is exactly what I have been thinking too. It could have been a sexual experience for Him. I believe he could be a hunter in Idaho, used that knife in his hunting, and has anger problems that maybe friends or family know about. I think he felt rejected by one or some of them. I will be back tho HTC for sure. I hope you can bring us more as there are things available. Great, Great Live tonight!

[@Annie-jc8ic]

Dr John you hit my heart, i have had 4 kids and am now on my grandkids and i get it i would never be able to breathe again if anything happen to them. All my love goes out to Michael (monkey) parents for having to deal with this horrific situation ,hugs

[@RHmanyfaces]

Love you 2. I think your utube channel is the most professional and caring. Thank you Lauren and Dr John.

[@charlielynn3674]

Thank you for the great show!

[@TheDocketsBuddy]

I'm so glad the Lord put you 2 in each other's life pathway. I have a hard time seeing any man being abusive to you Lauren. You are respectful and such a awesome woman/person. Dr. John thanks for stepping up higher than most for you both to do things right. As right as possible at least! Okay I will shut my face for tonight. 😊 Thanks again for these videos.

[@leahhanderson3737]

Spot on Dr John.

[@janice5218]

Excellent A clear understanding and ability to convey. Great team

[@tink040370]

This has been the most interesting, informative show I’ve watched on this case so far. Keep up the good work.

[@mksugerman1500]

You guys are great! I love your discussion!

[@jodyadams9512]

You two are amazing ❤

[@CZ0RZ]

Dr. John Matthias is awesome. I can see that his profiling was pretty accurate, after the fact. Thanks for putting this podcast together.

[@lilykirwan3219]

Hi lauren and hubby dr john, great team, great show thank you both

[@ibbest123]

Really enjoyed your channel,interesting,educational and pleasent. 👏💛

[@nancyrowlen3937]

New subscriber. Love y’all so much! Really enjoying the shows. Going back and catching up on old ones as well.

[@cherylspinazzola5572]

I Appreciate Dr. John.

[@peacefulpenelope5054]

I do want to tell you both look great tonight. I like Dr. John in that burgundy shirt and Lauren you look lovely also and your color coordinated. I have been listening to you both since you started with the Lori Vallow case. Dr. John impressed me so much with those episodes of explaining her family dynamic and dysfunction. It was so interesting and I loved your voice Dr. John for some reason you just said so many things that answered some of my questions about my own dysfunctional family and it just made me feel at peace with a lot of what happened to me confirming I was on the right track with my thinking. I guess I doubted myself like was I overreacting in some situations. Thank you both for all your work helping me see what is normal behavior. I grew up in a alcoholic home plus I married a alcoholic now divorced so I went through a lot with these alcoholics. Sorry for such a long txt. 😊

[@annachapman4387]

Hello I love your show ,God Bless you and yours

[@deannag48]

Dr John I just found your channel you may have spoken previously about this but my question is what do you feel was motive??

[@tcmenez3648]

Thank you both very much 🌷

[@lindalou4629]

I'm a retired psychiatric social worker. This is fascinating.

[@MicheleMakinson]

My son has a KZbin cooking channel and is getting death threats! I can’t remember which True Crime channel sent me over, but I’m glad they did. Have a wonderful weekend.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

I am so sorry! As someone else in our comments stated: the internet and social media is the Wild West! We hope your son finds success! We are glad you found us ❤

[@paulinefortune1704]

Excellent show guys.

[@deannag48]

Dr John thank you for mentioning John Douglas. I read all his books etc Tremendous man, ahead of his time. I learned so much from him. Thank you for your much needed input!!

[@foxibot]

This is why I watch y’all. And sent my cousins your videos.

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

thank you for sharing!

[@whereisyourhumanity7557]

If you've ever been falsely accused of anything, you know how terrible it is. It can ruin, RUIN your whole life.

[@paulinawandachowicz3009]

Its, so interesting, from the psychological point of view, its great to listen both of you and get to know about so many things connected with psychology of criminals. Thanks for your great job and sharing your knowledge👌

[@hkschubert9938]

I know you are both devoutly religious so I want to relay to you God's love for the work you both do to protect his beloved children. Dr John has been given some of the gifts of the Archangels who are watchers over the people of the Earth including the beloved children of God which certainly includes the 2 of you !!

[@JeMy569]

Yes, a hunter type person( many hunters live in that area) & maybe the dog was fed a treat or food( & if the person was hiding in the house, the person may have been friendly & feeding the dog to keep it quiet).. a neighbor that could watch them( probably many students living close by) & know their lax coming & goings & schedules & envied them & wanted to be a part of it all or had a fixation or rejection with one or more of the girls…

[@MrGuitarshred777]

I stumbled across this channel, you got me with the Thumbnail “ profiling” I was sold. Great content too

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you! We are glad you found us!

[@lisastewart5885]

You look 😍 gorgeous Lauren, & Dr John is looking handsome as ever too. Love yas! ❤

[@kytemunay2069]

Thank you so much for your vids, time and expertise, I love love love your amazing insight and your channel is always the first I go too to see if there is a new one :)))

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Thank you Kyte!

[@whitakercindy03]

Love the show

[@koreenal5056]

I really enjoy your channel!! It's super informative!!

[@bettinastebner]

New subscriber from Canada 🇨🇦!

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Welcome Bettina!

[@expensivepink7]

Makes sense that most violent crimes today are a mix of organized and disorganized. Thanks for that info. The organized/disorganized distinction seemed a bit simplistic when applied to today.

[@kyrieteleison3009]

Lauren, you look amazing in that shirt!

[@lisastewart5885]

And her makeup is spot on!

[@MicheleMakinson]

I absolutely enjoyed this show. I love profiling and learning more. It’s gotten bad with hackers out there.

[@expensivepink7]

Really nice take on maybe what the victims represented being a target rather than the individuals themselves

[@barbaraanne2136]

Lauren, can you check on the location of this TCH video in the listing or menu. I had a difficult time finding this one. I knew I had missed viewing it, and went back to find it and watch it when I had time. I checked several places I would expect to find it but finally located it under Community, I think. It is such a meaningful video, I want others to find it.

[@elcount3049]

I agree sir, seems like this crime is personal, impulsive and a sense of rage in the incident

[@chrissyj1502]

Such a great interview but there’s an advert every 2 minutes which makes it really difficult to watch 😢

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

Fixing it now! Thanks for letting us know

[@HiddenTrueCrime]

fixed it. thanks again for letting us know

[@Spark_Grace]

Wish I could work with my babe 😊 Good and informative content. Just subbed!

[@laramauss1968]

thank you very much, that was really interesting, because your husband is a real professional!

[@rosekinnison4724]

I think maybe a military background and was rejected, also in September each year the Latah County Fair is going, they bring in a traveling carnival for many years I would check the backgrounds of people that worked it. I have a dad and sister that lived there. Also just putting it out there my son and I left Moscow because of that police department they do not take harassment or stalking seriously. This case could become a cold case.

[@sstone1940]

That’s good information

[@SaintsPurgatory]

So you think it's reasonable that a stranger attacked them not knowing who was in that home?

[@austinpowers1999]

JUSTICE FOR SHANQUILLA….you need to do a video on this horrific case.

[@Chuck-420]

New subscriber and I appreciate you so much for letting us know what you are thinking about the whole thing. Dr. John I have a question about whether or not you can be cleared by the cops and then you can still be a suspect. Because I have been trying to figure out if JD could still be a suspect because he has the weakest alibi that he was home because his phone was there. I have to say that it could be a case of if I can't have you then nobody can. Whoever it is had to have a intimate knowledge of the house. The first reason why I say this is because of the layout of the house and the fact that you would have to know where you were going to be able to find the different rooms in the dark. The second one is that the doors all have a keypad code locks on them and who slept with the doors locked or would have to know what the code is. Also I don't know how many people knew that she was going to be there for the weekend. I think that it's going to be someone that has to know the dog because I would have to think that he was in the room that they were in and he had to move it. I don't know if they were trying to get ahold of him because of what Adam has been told but I don't think that he was even aware of it. Or that could have been him trying to make a Alibi for himself. Lastly I don't know if he had tried to call her back before he went to the house but if I couldn't get ahold of my girl of 5 years and I was at the house where she was at there's no way that you could have been able to stop me from going to see if she was Ok. I also am starting to wonder if the reason why they are not releasing the 911 call is because of the tone and the calmness of the person that had called it in. I don't know why they would call Ethan's Brother and Kaylee 's ex boyfriend before they are able to call the cops. And that's what makes me think that the doors were locked as Xana’s Mom has said in her News Nation interview and that's the whole interview. I am so sorry for the long response but I don't know how to explain it any less....Dr. John I have a question about whether or not you can be cleared by the cops and then you can still be a suspect. Because I have been trying to figure out if JD could still be a suspect because he has the weakest alibi that he was home because his phone was there. I have to say that it could be a case of if I can't have you then nobody can. Whoever it is had to have a intimate knowledge of the house. The first reason why I say this is because of the layout of the house and the fact that you would have to know where you were going to be able to find the different rooms in the dark. The second one is that the doors all have a keypad code locks on them and who slept with the doors locked or would have to know what the code is. Also I don't know how many people knew that she was going to be there for the weekend. I think that it's going to be someone that has to know the dog because I would have to think that he was in the room that they were in and he had to move it. I don't know if they were trying to get ahold of him because of what Adam has been told but I don't think that he was even aware of it. Or that could have been him trying to make a Alibi for himself. Lastly I don't know if he had tried to call her back before he went to the house but if I couldn't get ahold of my girl of 5 years and I was at the house where she was at there's no way that you could have been able to stop me from going to see if she was Ok. I also am starting to wonder if the reason why they are not releasing the 911 call is because of the tone and the calmness of the person that had called it in. I don't know why they would call Ethan's Brother and Kaylee 's ex boyfriend before they are able to call the cops. And that's what makes me think that the doors were locked as Xana’s Mom has said in her News Nation interview and that's the whole interview. I am so sorry for the long response but I don't know how to explain it any less....

[@austinbratton9973]

Just started watching this and I am glad I subscribed. Im afraid that maybe the killer has no connection to the victims which seems like it will make it much harder to solve!!

[@susancorbett3835]

Thank you. Enjoy your show, a psychiatric pov.

[@HospiceJess]

Great channel

[@Wheatswoman88]

Great content. Civilized and real.

[@shawnasimon1949]

Do you think the alcohol incident at 3:01am by the fraternity house could have been a distraction by someone for the killer to do what he needed to do?

[@BlackStump172]

Surely no . Why would a killer want police near or the neighbourhood awake ?