Most CONTROVERSIAL Champion In NASCAR History? | 2024 NASCAR At Phoenix Championship Race Review

[@josecarlosmay2999]

Imagine telling a Nascar fan in 2003 that someone who finished 15th in points would win the championship

[@eduardclark]

Kyle Busch 2015.....

[@JaredElliott-yw8my]

Kyle had an under 11 avg finish that year. He missed over 10 races and still finished top 20 in the season long points. Your argument makes no sense

[@irvingboy1122]

Matt Crafton with 0 wins in 2019

[@DabDabGoose]

@@irvingboy1122 atleast he had the most points.

[@nascarfanatic2425]

​@@DabDabGoose Actually, I think he was only P3 in overall points that year.

[@PaladinNL5]

I've became numb. When I saw that checkered flag wave, I had no reaction. No cheer, no rage. I just watched it happen. I've accepted it. The playoffs is a lottery and Logano won it, congrats

[@noahfrankel7966]

I mean logano has learned how to beat the system and that’s how he’s been so successful. Don’t hate the player hate the game

[@junior_johnson_racing]

​@@noahfrankel7966oooo we hate the game

[@tyman1014]

Same. I wasn't angry, I wasn't sad. I just sat there for probably 10 minutes, watch Joey do his burnout and turned off my TV and went outside for a smoke. I'd never felt this way about the result of a sporting event before.

[@Reiku78]

@@noahfrankel7966 If the penalty at Vegas don't happen Bowman is in Logano is out

[@imapopo2924]

@@noahfrankel7966 I mean, I hate both, but not for this (in Logano's case). This whole thing just makes me hate the playoffs more.

[@DennyhamlinXI]

Jim France is the true problem and the fact he goes out of his way to never be on TV or the news says a lot

[@karendarrenmclaren]

But product improving If you don't like it, you can always tap out... tho

[@WhopperJrNoCheese]

@@karendarrenmclarenImproving where? You have to be trolling.

[@bobby0081]

I liked the drunk France a lot better.

[@DennyhamlinXI]

@@karendarrenmclaren we’re is there improvement 😐

[@DennyhamlinXI]

@@WhopperJrNoCheese thank you

[@slipstream7324]

your feeling is apathy ..because you know the championship is illegitimate

[@tomasmowery164]

I'll support you whatever you do Radman but if Nascar doesn't change this format by the end of January I'm done supporting them.

[@tarheel8757]

Harvick had a good idea imo… the regular season champ gets automatically put into the final 4, 2nd into the final 8, 3rd into the rd of 12, 4th into the rd of 16… and let everyone else fight for the remaining spots

[@loviewallace4972]

That makes sense

[@RippingItAllSportsCards]

So then the regular season champion wouldn't need to try for 9 weeks.

[@kimstmariejones6596]

​@@RippingItAllSportsCards Better than someone trying & being the best for 27 weeks than someone who can only be the best for 4/36. In this format, you can win a race, be top 15 in the ro16 & then win 2/6 weeks to compete for a championship. You only have to try to be the best for 4 out of 36 weeks. Even with this, the champ has to try for at the minimum 27/36 weeks

[@THEDonnyB]

​@@RippingItAllSportsCards I mean. Joey barely had to get into the playoffs, do well enough in the first two rounds, get eliminated, then get out back in, win in the first race of round 3 to lock himself in, and win the final race. Hell, explain to me why the last place full time driver got in? If you win or finish top four in point during the regular season then you SHOULD get a leg up, regardless of if you win. We have a system where a guy can finish second in every single race of the regular season but if 16 other guys win in the regular season he's screwed, and there's no justifying that happening. We all thought Jimmie Johnson broke the Chase format by doing just enough to get in and treat the first 26 as testing sessions, then popping off in the Chase. But Logano has bent the playoffs over his knee and spanked it until it called him daddy. He rolls around in the regular season, going for one or two wins. Then he gets in, does just enough to get to the third round, where he wins the first race and locks himself in and then brings his best car to the championship race. And now you don't have to be top 30 in points to get - and why was it top 30? Why not top 20, which would be a little more legitimate?

[@hunternixonfishing2500]

Or we could just go back to an all season points format. Or the original 10 man chase. Harvick was my favorite driver but I don’t agree with him

[@SuperNoticer]

I wish you the best in all your endeavors man. I appreciate the content you've put out for us over the years and hope you can continue to do that, but you've got to take care of yourself first.

[@colbyricketts3825]

I’m genuinely not excited to watch nascar anymore the games suck the format sucks the politics suck the owners suck all the manipulation sucks I can’t do it anymore I’ll still watch these reviews cause they’re great but I can’t keep watching something that brings so much negativity anymore

[@Nmilli21]

You felt it in 2011 because that was a natural occurrence. Everything for the past 11 years has been a manufactured game 7 situation. It’s only magical when it’s real

[@Raldo5324]

I completely agree. It's not the drivers fault. They are doing what they need to do in this format to win. There are several drivers that shouldn't have won the championship in the years that they did. Nascar needs to change this format and get rid of win and you're in.

[@HillaryClintonWinning]

Didn't even watch and don't regret it.

[@itsaom470]

hillary whattup girl hows the island

[@samharris3508]

I had the opportunity to go to Phoenix this weekend. I'm so glad I didn't go to a single race this weekend.

[@Staysick17]

Then why u commenting

[@RUSH240]

@@samharris3508Kinda Dumb idea, if you can financially pay for it why not go there and have fun. They only go there twice per year so I would have no matter how bad it is

[@samharris3508]

@RUSH240 how is not spending money for a product you don't support dumb?

[@NASCARDAWGYT]

I hate this for Logano because he should be a multi time champion, but the fact that this format makes his championships questionable and “Mickey” is what’s annoying. I shouldn’t have to retroactively legitimize championships.

[@TheJason989]

I feel the same way

[@Me181]

He would never be a champion

[@ysoseriusqzc7547]

If this was the OG format joey would have 0 championships

[@Me181]

@ysoseriusqzc7547 my point exactly

[@deltaeagle84]

2015 ​@@ysoseriusqzc7547

[@SpeedStats]

I feel folks forget Bell last year ended up losing the championship because of a part failure. That failure alone should be the reason why the idea of a single race for a championship doesn't work because why should a team and driver put so much effort into a season just for 1 part just to break and ruin the entire season. You can always look back and try to figure out what went wrong or what you could of done to put your team in a better position, but Bell's brake failure happened regardless of what they achieved.

[@omerbalikci3565]

Denny Hamlin and MTJ lost so many championships as well to name a few

[@SpeedStats]

@@omerbalikci3565 driver mistakes, strategies failing, pit crews messing up, or things just not going your way are all things I'm good with, it's the pressure of the Championship... but a part of all things was just a bit more fragile than most... that's what I hated about it.

[@omerbalikci3565]

@@SpeedStats No but we, the fans, wanted this. we love the playoffs. Steve Phelps knows best about his fans! no sarcasm whatsoever

[@tyman1014]

I'm not angry, I'm not sad. I don't know how to feel. I just feel numb. This result and this championship is a real turning point for me. I don't even know if I'll be tuning in to watch next year.

[@johnflatt1288]

Honestly this apathy may be a good thing. If they see a huge tv ratings plunge from this year to next year they will be out of excuses to keep it.

[@seannolan9857]

​@@johnflatt1288There was a huge plunge after 2015 and nothing changed.

[@masoneveridge4078]

@@seannolan9857 lost about 15% after 2015 then when stages were added they lost another 25%

[@seannolan9857]

@@masoneveridge4078 I imagine losing Junior Nation contributed a lot to that 25%.

[@masoneveridge4078]

@@seannolan9857 didn’t have a effect as that 25% happened before Jr retired and that fan base would watch every single one of his last 36 races because they are so loyal

[@christophermarkthacker9137]

Yes nascar would have envisioned what happened today however if we were in the wiston era with bell winning by 5 points over elliott or current points without stage points with larson 25 points up over elliott would have provided more exciting entertainment than today

[@shaunzimmerman661]

no way. races mattered every race because wind msttered at points didnt. thats why u cant complain about points. because ur racing for wins. a win to get in and wins for points to decide how many u start with in the chase. so at the end of the day u will not worry about points and wreck in second place to win and finish 36 because the points from wins matter not a dnf or a average finish anymore. how can u say joey doesnt deserve it just because he can play the game better. that is why u have more exciting races because everyone is trying to win every week not settling for 2nd 3rd or 4th becausr of points!

[@masoneveridge4078]

Shaun your logic has so many holes even Swiss cheese can't compete winning races is exactly what is on everyone's mind every race they just need to master not wrecking out so many races that is what the og format encourages what this format encourages is winning 1 race then take a 7 month vacation until the playoffs start before winning 1 race and taking a 2 week vacation twice

[@masoneveridge4078]

And not only that but a driver can win 35 of the 36 races and 107 of the 108 stages AND STILL FINISH 4TH IN THE CHAMPIONSHIP

[@christophermarkthacker9137]

Yea not hating the player but hate the format. Only true winners of the format are truex in 17 and or 2019 as a elliott fan 2020 wasn't exactly deserved but could at least make a argument for elliott had of he got those 4 or 5 wins on top of what he got at the end that got taken away from him would have been second best driver behind harvick who was probably more deserving and of course larson in 2021

[@masoneveridge4078]

@@christophermarkthacker9137 3 legitimate wins were Truex 2017 Kyle Busch 2019 and Kyle Larson 2021

[@masonehubbard]

It saddens me that the format drama will detract from the fact that what Joey did from that restart with 50 to go, to get the lead and hold off Blaney who was the better car. Absolutely heroic stuff from Joey. I wish the format would change too.

[@shaunzimmerman661]

if joey doesnt have thr bad pitstop he was the faster car all race. he passed him more than blaney passed him and last run he was trying not to burn tires off and just stay ahead but after the bad pit stop he was in 7th and 6 swconds down and got right back to bell and blaney and just ran out of time!

[@bobby0081]

Yeah, he was mediocre for 90% of the season, and champions in all sports are defined by only being great 10% of the time. If MJ was great, 10% of the time, he would have zero championship rings.

[@awesomeeli8251]

How about we just get rid of the playoffs and go to season long format like F1 and Indycar Their is no way that a driver 15th in non-playoff standings should win a championship Championships don't mean anything anymore

[@DennyhamlinXI]

Back then they did but in today’s format like you said it don’t mean nothing anymore

[@secondamendmentconservativ3556]

Kyle Busch 2015

[@Me181]

At least bring back the chase

[@brendanbal4931]

Or at least a hybrid system where they keep the elimination factor but trash the win and your in factot

[@chrisguardiano6143]

In my view, I think Indycar and/or F1 will implement the playoffs in their series within the next decade if not sooner. Indycar as of late has been trying to be the NASCAR of open wheel racing to the point in which they are implementing the charter system next season. As for F1, they are so hellbent on making F1 one of the most popular sports in this country (at least beating out NASCAR as the most popular motorsport) that they will do absolutely anything to make F1 like the "Big 4" sports leagues including adding playoffs. If the playoffs are implemented in F1, it will come at the expense of the prestige of the F1 World title. The same goes for Indycar as well as their already devalued championship (due to Indycar inflating the value of the Indy 500) will lose further prestige & importance.

[@tommywilson2984]

17.11avg finish

[@NASCARFAN93100]

Along with 7 Top 5s 13 Top 10s And 15 Finishes Outside The Top 20

[@Cconkyy]

Also won 30% of the playoff races

[@shaunzimmerman661]

​@@NASCARFAN93100 why does that matter? points dont matter so avg finish doesnt matter. win and your in. more wins the more points u have to start the points chase so in 2nd they wreck out going for the win because dnfs or avg finish dont matter so at the end of the season when cars wrecked out in the last last and their avg finish isnt great how can u blame the driver when he knows the win matters npt the avg finish and points. they are going for way more not settling that is why the avg finish and larsons highest dnfs are there! think people!

[@shaunzimmerman661]

​@NASCARFAN93100 why does that matter? points dont matter so avg finish doesnt matter. win and your in. more wins the more points u have to start the points chase so in 2nd they wreck out going for the win because dnfs or avg finish dont matter so at the end of the season when cars wrecked out in the last last and their avg finish isnt great how can u blame the driver when he knows the win matters npt the avg finish and points. they are going for way more not settling that is why the avg finish and larsons highest dnfs are there! think people!

[@shaunzimmerman661]

​@@Cconkyy​@NASCARFAN93100 why does that matter? points dont matter so avg finish doesnt matter. win and your in. more wins the more points u have to start the points chase so in 2nd they wreck out going for the win because dnfs or avg finish dont matter so at the end of the season when cars wrecked out in the last last and their avg finish isnt great how can u blame the driver when he knows the win matters npt the avg finish and points. they are going for way more not settling that is why the avg finish and larsons highest dnfs are there! think people!

[@jordancrisp-u6e]

i think we all new when bowman was took out of the final 8 we new what was gonna happen

[@Me181]

Ikr

[@camracing1366]

I had a feeling it would but surely not right? Sure enough

[@shaunzimmerman661]

cause joey was better and the chevys and toyotas were not as good. that is wht u new it

[@masoneveridge4078]

Joey was better???? 17.11 average finish and finishing 14th in points and that's better??? That's the exact opposite of better

[@merlinbeen8432]

@@masoneveridge4078 What the hell does his "average" finish have to do with the playoffs? Come on man. You peeps seem unhinged.

[@alexandredaigle8479]

Full Season Points, thank you and goodnight

[@SonowGamer]

Honestly? I wanted Logano to win this championship. Just to make a point about how broken this system is. I doubt Nascar would ever get the message when you consider 2015, but Logano has exploited this system into 3 Championships, and I can't blame HIM for it. I can only blame Nascar.

[@SnapBackToReality-KFB]

Good luck on that life decision RadMan, but please if you're able to do it don't turn into a slave regarding them wanting to control what you can post and how you can behave about Nascar's sensitive points.

[@dannyalex7152]

Don't hate the player, hate the game... I honestly believe that changes need to be made for the playoffs, but what are the odds that NASCAR will even make any necessary changes?

[@markp.7165]

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[@TheOfficialRandomGuy]

Don’t hate Motorsport, hate NASCAR

[@glonniecanoy3441]

​@@TheOfficialRandomGuyHate the people behind it but not the sport.

[@TheOfficialRandomGuy]

@@glonniecanoy3441 for better or worse, until france sells it. What we see today is NASCAR.

[@TyG-r1b]

Blaney didn't even look like he cared after the race. Idk nascar just seems very scripted at times in the past few seasons

[@DaltonHerzmann]

You will be called crazy but I agree. I think there's some major shadyness going on with the guys in top rides

[@TheH3LLP3R]

Really?? Sounded like he was about to start crying at some points during the interview and was holding it back by acting stonecold

[@outlander330cc]

Only thing scripted was Martinsville

[@merlinbeen8432]

Out of his mouth, he was feeling sick and I believe dehydrated.

[@bostonwarrior4824]

I mean he pushed Joey to the win at Vegas, it’s all has to do with Penske. Rodger pulls all the curtains. It’s just crazy how they haven’t been dominant all year and then at the last race of the year they’re the best cars.

[@danbukstein6853]

What makes "game 7 moments" special is that they don't happen every time. Nascar just skips the series aand calls game 1 game 7

[@montana262]

I’ve been feeling apathy for NASCAR since the playoffs started this year. The last two weeks made me not even tune in to the championship race.

[@budsodastories]

I support you radman as a fellow content creator. I think nascar or some team could really use you because you have opinions and arent just a yes man. You have a ton of passion for Nascar and i think you deserve a place in the sport.

[@budsodastories]

Ps im being serious try to get involved in a team as a backup plan or some sort of major media outlet. I think you're a great fit.

[@collinclary5762]

Hopefully the Nascar 25 game will be a big boost for your channel❤️ i know it’s a long way out and hopefully you find something to get through until then

[@andrewwaring3643]

7 top fives after today. 7………SEVEN………

[@Paradox_Of_Crota]

We know, just hate the system. Jimmie did the same thing.

[@DBRooper]

3 playoff wins after today. 3.........THREE.......

[@andrewwaring3643]

@@Paradox_Of_Crota absolutely. My problem isn’t with Joey, he played the game. Hats off to him. It’s just maddening.

[@bostonwarrior4824]

The fact that he was eliminated from playoff contention only to be put back in and now he won the championship and he’s 16th in points just makes absolutely no sense. It doesn’t happen in any other sport in the world

[@zoomerpay6199]

The only time I was like entertained this whole race was when the PACE CAR wreaked going onto pit road and like the final restart. After this, I can see why people don’t want this as the championship race or as a championship format.

[@zoomerpay6199]

Also, they put so much attention on the playoff guys that we didn’t really see any mid-pack racing

[@Greg29fan]

The Cup Series championship hasn't meant anything since 2015 - I applaud Kyle for coming back and winning and doing well after his accident, but those race wins and results should have been what he came away from that season with. You cannot allow someone who missed 11 races the chance to win a championship, and the fact he then won it over the best driver that season showed how hollow the title is now.

[@jeremiahg6912]

I would say TRUEX and Larson were legit

[@CrazzcussToms-vc4sp]

Alot of the last ten champions undeserving of it.kyle busch 2015,cheese Elliot 2020 ,Ryan blaney last year come to mind .

[@yeoscore]

To be fair to your situation, I work in motorcycles. If I had built a career on criticizing the motorcycle manufacturer I work for right now, I’d understand why they wouldn’t want hire me. Actions have consequences.

[@Austin_Dale]

I hope you find absolute success at NASCAR on Thursday!!! It’s so hard to get anywhere nowadays.

[@mpf1947]

The Steves know the only people who support them on twitter are bots, so they think their detractors must also be bots.

[@CJracing137]

Really hope you stay on KZbin, glad your getting opportunities as I could have a shot at getting into nascar if I had sponsors and money which I don’t, but I love your videos and I’m glad you speak your honest opinion

[@budsodastories]

Yeah I hope he keeps let's plays as a side hobby/income it'd be nice to have his presence. If he works in Nascar he can't be overtly opinionated and do this style of video anymore. If he can't get into Nascar hope he gets into hendrick

[@hunternixonfishing2500]

Playoffs still suck. Harvick exposed it in 2020 and this is nail in the coffin right here. The 2 biggest problems with this format is the win and your in part and the last race of the season coming down to 1 race for the championship. I actually don’t have a problem with the way the points themselves are awarded with the top 10 at the end of the first 2 stages having points from 10-1 on a descending scale and the end of the race 40 for the winner and from 2nd on back 35 and so on. But we need to do away with win and your in. A 10 race chase like the 2004 original concept would be far better than what we currently have. I’m an old school fan. I don’t have a problem with the champion going in to the last race only needing to finish 15th or better to win the championship. He earned it! I want to award the driver who was best over the course of a whole season not just for a few races.

[@twister1296]

I wouldn’t say most controversial. That would go to 2015.

[@Mass1fy]

Buschys comeback was crazy tho

[@bubbaniedermann6254]

But Busch was actually good tho

[@Mass1fy]

@@bubbaniedermann6254 he missed a lot of races, not that I’m mad that he won tho

[@bubbaniedermann6254]

@ I know he missed a lot but when he came back he was dominant

[@Mass1fy]

@@bubbaniedermann6254 ikr, but people just hate to see how impressive his season was including that he had a big leg injury during his return and still won at Sonoma and just see all the races he missed and how he didn’t deserve to be in the playoffs because he didn’t compete in every race but to the point he didn’t purposely crash at Daytona, he got in a accident and that injured him and he showed his dominate ability to win races.

[@CJODell12]

Just to give even more perspective, Kyle Busch in 2015, despite only competing in 25 races, *still* fared better in nearly *every* statistical metric than Joey Logano did in 2024 across 36 races. Busch 2015: 5 wins, 12 top 5s, 16 top 10s, 21 top 20s, 1 pole, 2 DNF’s, 736 laps led, 8.2 average start, 10.78 average finish. Logano 2024: 4 wins, 7 top 5s, 13 top 10s, 21 top 20s, 3 poles, 6 DNF’s, 414 laps led, 12.0 average start, 17.11 average finish.

[@solinvictus2132]

I don't think this was a controversial championship at all, because it needs to be divisive to be controversial, from what I've seen damn near everyone thinks this is a joke

[@masoneveridge4078]

Half the comments I've seen are from either Logano fans (of course they have to be involved) or the brainwashed playoff loyalists

[@whothatguyhello]

Get this man too 100k🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@pacthesir]

"My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined"

[@JonathanRodriguez-dz6gn]

ok, i have a confession, i am a diehard logano fan, i know, i know but listen. I was mixed on him making it to the final four this year cause well yeah he didn't deserve it. i can admit that, I've always hated the playoffs and to be completely okey with this just because Joey is my guy would make me the biggest hippacrate ever. HOWEVER after the race my mood switched for 2 reasons. 1. again hes my guy iv'e been a JL fan since the gamestop car. and 2 maybe the fallout from this would be enough for nascar to finally do something about the format. I know this format or atleast some type of gimmicky format will be around for a while, nascar's been clear on that. but maybe, MAYBE, if we got rid of win and your in for both the regular AND post season, we could have the best of both worlds. we can have the "playoffs" and the "game seven moments" nascar wont stfu about but the championship might feel more legitamate if the 4th best guy didn't get knocked out becuse the 16th best guy pulled a win or two out of his ass. oh and THREE TIME BITCHES WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@Wrlixer]

YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

[@nascarfanatic2425]

On your second point, I highly doubt that NASCAR is going to get rid of the Playoffs or even change the format for 2 main reasons: 1. Steve O'Donnell's son is also a Joey Logano fan, and the executives have their own favoritism towards Logano, so it wouldn't matter if his average finish was 43rd; they want Logano to win the championship. They definitely wanted him to win it this year. (I don't really hate Logano; just pointing that out.) 2. NASCAR is very stubborn and proud about this. It doesn't matter if this format drives them into bankruptcy; (and it probably would if the teams were profiting like they should be) they have made their commitment to entertainment over legitimacy.

[@Me181]

Its not Joey's fault whoever people need to stop saying they cheated for hendrick cuz this was rigged for 22 congrats

[@10ALundstrom]

I just watched this race so angry at the format and the announcers glazing it up like it's the greatest invention in sports. Congrats to Joey. Hats off to him, but I feel exhausted with this format. It's so convoluted. Going into this race I was much more excited about Charles Leclerc and the end of the F1 season than I was for Byron having a shot today. Coming out of it I feel the same way. Onto Vegas for the next race in the F1 season. I'll always be a NASCAR fan, but I might seriously be a bigger F1 fan sooner than later. It rewards those who run up front and the drivers dictate the drama rather than the format. I felt anger initially after the race, but now I just feel nothing like Radman said. The whole season felt pointless.

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

I'm not a bigger F1 fan but I am a bigger IndyCar fan for sure.

[@TheOfficialRandomGuy]

I’d rather watch Verstappen win 10 world championships in a row the traditional way, than watch a different Mickey Mouse champion crowned every year in NASCAR. They have to wonder why they’re the only Motorsport that has this gimmicky point system.

[@jayryia]

Interesting. I've been posting on Twitter about what I think was a more viable option: Keep the 16 drivers, but NO "win and In". Drivers must POINT their way in. When playoffs begin, the same elimination, but by adding BONUS points in addition to the regular points. 10 extra bonus for each stage win (then 8-6-4-2 for top 5) 25 bonus for most laps led 60 extra bonus points for winning. Then every next round except final 4, the bonus extra points increment by 10. I think that's the way forward and drama still is there and the ones who earn it will win it.

[@jaybartlett8106]

A points system that theoretically makes it possible for a driver to win every one of the first 26 races and win every stage in every one of those races and due to pure luck wouldn't even have a shot at winning the season championship is exactly what SHAMCAR fans deserve. 2016-SHAMCAR screwed Edwards. That was the last SHAMCAR race I watched.

[@duncachinoahimiha3889]

Then why are you watching this video bro?

[@RDChaniago]

congratulations for christopher bell . he's winning the 2024 nascar championship winston cup format by 5 margin against chase elliot (cbell 4823 , chase elliot 4818)

[@koop2014]

I dont think i can be a fan next year, this is just too insufferable to handle. And it hurts me so much seeing this sport fall apart like this.

[@Lowlife-North]

Less older folks watching

[@acehouse4796]

But yal still watch. W for nascar 👏 👏

[@koop2014]

@@acehouse4796 I've pirated every single race since mid 2021. Next year I won't even care enough to illegally watch

[@dirtbikejess434]

See you next year bud. Calm down

[@koop2014]

@dirtbikejess434 I will not "calm down" about the sporty I grew up with being ruined

[@kinggreg2455]

For the last 3 years. (Xfinity Championship > Cup Championship) That drive that Justin Allgier Had was insane especially after everything that happened to him during that race.

[@devonfournier2219]

Knowing that nascar won’t get rid of the playoffs I’ve thought maybe a format similar to the chase system in later years where in the 26 race regular season, the top 10 in points are in, followed by the next six being based off wins/points. Then there’s a one race wildcard where two of the bottom six advance to the round of twelve. Then the rounds play out with three races per round. It kinda feels like a good mix of everything to me and eliminates the 1 race championship. Although I guess wins don’t matter as much but you can consider that as the representation of the Winston format

[@dawsonread8809]

Yeah if changes aren’t made I’m not watching next season

[@kingrecoilz4491]

*warning this a long reply so feel free to just scroll over it and speed read it but this is just my take on the whole thing and this comes from someone who even after 25 years of watching still actively watches it and gets as excited as a child every Sunday. See man 23:25 it's ideas like this that will bring the eyes back to NASCAR and bring back that popularity it had when Junebug was racing for DEI in the 2k's. Do you guys remember how Popular Junebug was with DEI? I mean that's the kind of excitement I miss in racing these days. Fans used to talk about the shit up until the next race weekend and just over time I've seen it disappear and dwindle. Now granted most of "Our" childhood drivers have retired and been inducted into the hall of fame (i.e my 2 Hendrick boys Jeff and Jimmie) and most recently the now-retired Kevin Harvick I just feel like fans today aren't as attached or as tuned into the sport as they were say 20 plus years ago and I know most of it has to do with the France Family and Steven Phelps and the god awful moves they've made since the passing of Dale Sr and the hiring of Steve Phelps. IDK if it's because NASCAR isn't as active on socials or it's because they control what the drivers can say and share which leads to some of the stories we got this year. I mean the Gen 7 car no offense is by far the worst piece of (excuse my language) shit I've ever seen these guys drive. It's as bad as the COT car and you guys know how fuckin bad the COT cars were but we found a way to like and respect those. But these cars these (excuse my language again) bullshit ass kit cars they got these kids using today are a complete joke just like the France family. That might be a controversial or hot take but it's my opinion we don't have to agree. You might see it a different way but this is the way I've watched it happen the last 25 years I've been watching it. The playoff system is shit, the charter system is shit, the cars are shit and the drivers are Vocally unhappy about it but NASCAR just doesn't seem to care unless it affects the bottom dollar for them. They can't even understand what the most simple basic ass fan wants these days which is the shit we saw in the 2k's. This pack racing shit...we didn't ask for this shit. We didn't have a problem seeing one guy have a rocket car and pull the field at Daytona. We thought that shit was cool. It only got annoying for us when it led to a chip (Mr. Jimmie Johnson 😂 yeah I'm looking at you bro😂) This shit most of us now "Old Heads" use to watch is the shit we want back. And hell Radman's idea here isn't that damn bad either. I'd be in favor of awarding 10 points to the winning driver of a playoff race. Also having it set up the way he did would just make so much more sense for NASCAR logically and financially for them while at the same time bringing back that popularity and viewership that has been on the decline for nearly 2 decades. Just my take. Sorry, it was so long I'll leave a warning at the top of this message in case you guys don't want to read my opinion on it. Again this is my opinion on it so feel free to disagree but don't be ugly in the comments towards me.

[@quincyharlan2930]

Nascar officials managed to even crash a pace car this year in the championship race they did everything they could do wrong( there probably more they could screw up to)

[@TheJason989]

That is interesting format idea radman . I feel need NASCAR do make changes to the playoffs format at least not having a one championship race

[@PontiacKid2]

No one came running out to meet Joey after the win and it even looked like he was sad about it LOL. He kept looking for someone.

[@PunisherWolf]

Easiest fix for a fan is to stop watching. Then they will get the picture. No tickets no tv watching. At least cup. I will not be watching anymore in any capacity. And I’ve been watching since I was 5. But the fun is gone for me. No fan of logano. But he won the format. Kind of how Knaus and jimmy were able to do with the original change from points to chase.

[@trex70]

Congratulation to Joey 😊

[@bobby0081]

I think as close as the competition is nowadays that a season long points championship would be more entertaining. There could be scenarios where the championship is locked up in the 35th race, but it's better to decide a championship in 35 races rather than one. It could even make the stages in the final race meaningful to decide the champion. There could also be years where 5 or 6 guys had a shot of winning. The last few races before the playoffs are nore entertaining, and that could literally be the last few races of the season instead

[@gswizzy17]

What a terrible way to end an otherwise great season (unless you’re a rowdy fan) Good luck to you radman on your job search. I’m Currently in college growing towards an ME degree so hopefully I can get a job on a team too.

[@charlespruitt360]

@12:10 Joey Logano likely wouldn't even be in the playoffs if Austin Cindric hadn't spun by himself with two to go at Nashville. Logano was running 14th when the caution came out and restarted the first OT in 23rd.

[@Walker_41279]

At this day and age, with the Nascar Cup being this close and with the gaps being so minimal with having +10 different winners per season, Nascar can return to a Season long Championship where consistency is key. I saw it somewhere on Twitter, after yesterday, Bell was the champion over Larson by only 5 points if we used the Winston Cup Points System. Only 5. Even if a different format is implemented, we don’t really need it anymore.

[@irvingboy1122]

I think it’s time to kill the playoff format we have reached a new all time low with Logano winning while I don’t hate Logano I do think he is an very undeserving champion

[@runrafarunthebestintheworld]

Well at least your Celtics won.

[@Jobodahobo]

as a Logano fan,i fully agree. This format is so much more luck based than skill based. I wouldn't be surprised if we see someone like the 51 in the final four in the next few years.

[@marzuuuuski]

2015 Kyle Busch is still the most controversial and "undeserving" champion ever, but 2024 Logano is still pretty egregious

[@TheOfficialRandomGuy]

Kyle did come back, and dominate at least. He didn’t just limp his way in. It’s still a paper championship, not as bad imo

[@Pride_Personified]

If you don’t like the result or don’t like the playoff format and want major change, apathy is the best solution. Anger implies you still care enough and engagement is what they want. Hit the France’s and Nascar where it hurts and don’t watch anymore Nascar until change is made.

[@TheBobDare]

I took a good nap in the middle of the race.

[@wwefan11222]

And this is why I swore to only watching the Xfinity Series races from now on, that race last night was a lot better in my homest opinion and the right guy won that title at that.

[@ReturnoftheDILF]

Blaney got passed on track once all race. The levels of hilarity of this system are hilarious because it’s not even about being the best on the particular day. It’s just about getting everything to roll your way.

[@TheJason989]

Good luck in Charlotte this week radman

[@iamgraham_]

Hi, I’m a Joey fan. I’m happy.

[@masoneveridge4078]

Good for you your sounding like the only Joey fan in the comments who’s being insane which I can respect

[@DuffyF56]

NOTHING but a gimmicky IROC racing series where NASCAR picks the winners and losers by "steering" the results.

[@Whyzee12]

I’m so here for the random Cindric rant.

[@iancmcclintock]

I’ll throw out a very basic idea. A 36 race playoff. No eliminations. Let the best man win. Wait… that’s the WC. That’s what every major racing league does. Yeah let’s drop the gimmick.

[@Mike_Olee]

Austin Cindric is almost as bad as Arsenal

[@outfield1988]

14th average finish what a joke.

[@lorddrac_dontaskmetodance]

I haven't watched a NASCAR race in about two years. Not missing much, I see. Kyle Busch 2015 is still more controversial.

[@fnaffoxyandmanglepizzeriaf2359]

I rather see the championship 4 in daytona international speedway. If start in daytona it should end in daytona.

[@chromediesel444]

Didn't watch it, no regrets. Also your suggestion? You pretty much prevent similar occurance like Tony Stewart's championship run in 2011. No wins in the 1st 26 races, advanced because he was top 10 in the standings, then turns on the jets in the final 10 races, winning half of it, and beating Edwards in a points tiebreaker.

[@jamesburroughs3813]

Hey welcome to Charlotte when you move! I've lived here my whole life, it's a good place just crowded haha. Hope things work out for you here!

[@scottwolf9275]

The 22 finished 21st or worse in 15 out of 36 races, and only had 7 TOP 5 finishes. What a bogus way to crown a champion.

[@JBAlternate]

I never really call NASCAR out on social media like so many do, but NASCAR really needs to look at itself right now. I mean, what the hell are they even doing? It feels a lot like last year tbh. I wanted to be happy for Blaney last year, but I couldn't. He grew up wanting to be the best driver in NASCAR and rewarded for that, but ended up with a goofy championship because he happened to be good at Phoenix.

[@jring49]

Jimmie Johnson is retired from full time racing. It's time to drop this Jimmie proofing the playoffs and just get back to 36 races and crowing a champ at the end of those 36 races

[@tulio993100]

Austin Cindric shure thanks his daddy for the ride

[@Andre_The_Millennial]

2nd in command at Penske.

[@frankfarms83]

Yep….. that was my last straw

[@greatness1438]

The only positive is that the guy who had the championship manipulated for him last week didn’t win. That’s how far this sport has fallen

[@KohliN7]

Don't hate the player, hate the system.

[@MICKEY-LOGANO]

We are hating on the system. Logano is just a prime example of why the system is shit.

[@blueredlover1060]

23:53 Top 10 without wins get in as well. Martin Truex Jr shouldn't have missed the playoffs in 2021 because he didn't win but was still the 5th best driver in the regular season. Having Ryan Blaney who was third best missing as well feels psychotic.

[@SuperNoticer]

Cindric's dad is a big shot at Penske..

[@racingaerials4493]

If my driver wins the Daytona 500, there's no reason for me to watch any more until race 27. And if my driver gets knocked out in the first round, what's my motivation? I sink 40 weeks of my life into this sport for the guy 18th in points to win the championship? Don't insult my intelligence, please. This needs to change.

[@deletado12]

I will not watch or buy anything else related to NASCAR. I don't agree with 1 playoffs, 2 stages, 3 finals in Phoenix, 4 teams helping each other, 5 charter controversy, 6 manipulation, 7 teams with a lot of inequality between them.

[@Stealthcola]

900HP and a format revamp and I'll start watching again..

[@todd0864]

I’ve always hated the playoffs. In other sports the non-playoff teams don’t get to compete in the playoffs. They won’t change until you all stop watching, like me.

[@kentr2424]

Logano won the Championship under the rules that stand NOW. Fair enough. The only reason he even advanced to the round of 8 was Bowman's DQ at the Charlotte Roval for his car being underweight (still haven't figured that one out. It had to make weight to start the race, so where did the missing weight go?). Should he have been in the Championship 4? Given his position at the end of the "regular" season, I'd say no, although under the current rules his Las Vegas win locked him into the Championship 4. I"ve been a NASCAR fan since the early 80's, and I must admit I do NOT like the current playoff format (nor did I like any of the other playoff formats). I think NASCAR needs to do two things: 1) get rid of stage cautions. Award stage points if you want to, but get rid of the caution. 2) eliminate the playoff format EXCEPT for having the top 4 drivers go at it in the final race of the year - best finisher wins the season championship (which is what happens anyway - BUT the announcers will be able to concentrate on that when they're talking). That way, the drivers and teams that have performed best OVER THE ENTIRE SEASON go for the Championship, not the drivers and teams that got hot at the right time...... Oh yeah, one more thing - there are FAR too many commercials on NASCAR TV broadcasts!!! Not everyone can - or wants to - pay insanely high fees for streaming......

[@BDSFormula1]

LETS GO GAMBLING -NASCAR, 2014

[@TruexJr_LivMorganFan]

Thank You Martin!

[@thepiston11]

I don't hate Joey, but he did not deserve to win the championship in his worst season yet with Penskee. When the checkered flag dropped at Phoenix I really felt like this season had been a complete waste of time.

[@Bacon411-s7m]

Guys KFB HAS HIS FIRST WINLESS SEASON.

[@nomadman5288]

I don’t think your format fixed this because Joey won during the season, then won the most races in the playoffs. The penalty still pushes him into the round of 8. Where his wins to advance to a final round or whatever. I need more details.

[@jamesmaas3928]

At this point nascar should just go one step further and implement the in season tournament as the playoff format.