MOST EXPENSIVE MTG DECK EVER = TURN 1 WIN

[@Bl4eberry]

This was the most expensive game of "Rock, Paper, Scissors" I've ever seen

[@Goodpatron]

And most drawn out too. Lol 😆

[@jamesrobb704]

"The most powerful card in Magic the Gathering is THE CREDIT CARD." That was precious! ROFL

[@Pedaeus]

He’s unfortunately right lol

[@akorthouwer]

@@Pedaeus no it is not just play edh then you can proxy

[@RagingRevine]

@@akorthouwer Not all of your deck. Where i play you can proxy for a lil bit, but if you're proxying expensive cards and playing with them every week..you either buy it or take it out because it's unfair.

[@ShredAimlessly92]

The higher your credit limit, the higher your win-loss ratio

[@akorthouwer]

@@RagingRevine yeah it is also unfair if you buy these cards imo.

[@evelyn785]

Something a lot of people don't realize, is that the reason the Power Nine are called the "Power Nine," is specifically because they are the reason the "four-of-a-card" rule had to be implemented, because they broke the game with decks like this.

[@rey_nemaattori]

And the four-of-each-rule does barely even contain them, imagine any deck running 4 P9 cards...it would still degenerate each game to a coin toss...

[@treznorNSFW]

yea we knew this before girls even played the game but yes.

[@tonyperkins3600]

I'm pretty sure lightning bolt would have done the same thing just as quickly. The original game was just never imagined that people would buy so many cards to have that many copies

[@demiseduke8000]

@@treznorNSFW cringe comment detected

[@chrisvanderwielen1530]

Yes, we did. Richard didn't like being utterly destroyed without getting a turn, when he showed up to Wargames West in Albuquerque.

[@dukeskunk]

Bear in mind, Richard thought people would spend about as much money on the game as a typical board game. So buy a starter and maybe a handful of boosters. He figured the main way of changing up your playgroup's dynamic would be through winning and losing cards in the ante, and it wasn't a problem if a particular card was overpowered because those were the rare cards which meant there might be one or two copies in your entire playgroup.

[@brianstiles1701]

We sure showed him!

[@zokora3656]

And on that day Gacha was born

[@thahoule7924]

HA! Bet hes feeling stupid now, after getting millions of players and making millions of dollars, the idiot :3

[@edigudiel2092]

@@zokora3656 gacha was already a thing in japan

[@xbon1]

imagine losing a black lotus to the ante rule back then

[@simongunkel7457]

I keep saying this: the truly degenerate version is 15x Lotus+25xAncestral. You draw enough cards to hold the 13 Ancestrals to mill your opponent out. Far more consistent than burdening your deck with Moxen, Creatures, Time Walks and Twisters. Of course that deck is over a million bucks by itself, but it should get a higher win percentage than either of these. And just consider that it's a deck where you decline to play mox saphire and time walk, because their power level is too low.

[@alwaysplaythegame]

A gemstone caverns strategy could probably win at instant speed though. So I'm pretty sure there are even better decks. Format is stupid regardless.

[@simongunkel7457]

@@alwaysplaythegame The format stopped with the 4-of rule, which happened after the release of Arabian Nights, but before Antiquities. The point here is that this was a legal deck from the release of Alpha until January 1994.

[@watcher8582]

Wheel of fortune draws 7 and mills 7 at the same time, gotta add some in the mix. If you can sprinkle in a modern card, add Second sunrises, which each revive all lotuses.

[@obese_duck5954]

@@watcher8582 contract from below is pretty much a better version of wheel of fortune

[@gustavoaffonso8942]

Imagine playing the same you mentioned but with 60 cards to get an edge in the mirror against the ancestral mill mirror. Just an extra 400 k

[@craigstuckey319]

We always did highest casting cost on bottom to determine who went first. You also have to realize Moxes were about $50 back then and duals were $20. I remember when Beta was worth more than Alpha and thinking it was ridiculous when Beta Lotus hit $250. Man if I had only held on to my old collection....

[@bastiaan0741]

I am still holding onto my 2 moxes and lotus. Haven't played in 20 years and couldn't seem to bring myself to sell them. An accidental good move, bought them for 200$ each.

[@NamathCB]

Yup. I picked up duels at a card show for 20 apiece but was getting so many he knocked 5 each off. Unfortunately i had my play decks stolen in 96 and with them all but a couple tropical islands and a badlands went with them. 😥 still VERY PAINFUL

[@ClarkPotter]

I started playing during 3ed and had dozens of duel lands. You just got them in packs sometimes. Didn't buy any individually.

[@NamathCB]

@@ClarkPotter yes unfortunately, wasn't introduced to the game until Fallen, Homelands, 4th ed etc. You know, when seemingly EVERYONE else also started. 😆 did have a buddy that started with Revised as well, so he was cool and traded a few Duels with me. But yeah just my luck, started then and stopped with Visions so missed my oppertunity at opening a Gaea's Cradle. :( but did thankfully get ONE back in the day not even knowing it would one day be valuable. Just love my Green cards and know lands are a good thing to have

[@rey_nemaattori]

I seriously could rip a massive chunk out of the mortgage if i had held on to them 😅

[@nuclearphish8051]

Oh man. Adkinson had Lotuses, Moxen, Timetwisters, Time Walks and Ancestral Recalls and he still didn't stand a shred of chance. This video is an undeniable proof that the mightiest, most powerful and most unstoppable card in all of Magic truly is Hill Giant.

[@Asesindark]

U mean credit card

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

He just needed paper instead of scissor.

[@sleepyBear33]

Yeah credit card is 100% the most powerful card 😂😂

[@bouncingbeebles]

The creature time walk strategy is interesting... When I heard about this format, the deck I 'built' was 20x Black Lotus and 40x Ancestral Recall. If your opponent's deck is 53 cards on turn one (7 in their hand) then 18 Recalls are lethal, and these will require 6 Lotus to cast. If I cast 17 Recalls at myself I draw 51 cards, leaving 1 or 2 cards in my deck depending on if I am on the play or draw. Even if these are both Recall, there are enough Recalls in the deck to draw both decks, and only need 12 Lotus to cast them. In retrospect it may be possible to creep down on the Lotus count. Still, this deck was an incredibly consistent turn 1 win.

[@kel1taylor]

20 lotus, 20 ancestral, 20 wheel of fortune

[@daftwulli6145]

I like the black vice strategy, since it does not need time walk, and thus is a true turn 1 kill. Basically you go through your deck with ancestrals and time twisters to find a few black vice, play them, then load your opponents hands with cards using any ancestrals you still have. You do not need much, each black vice already does naturally 3 damage when you pass the turn, plus 3 extra for each ancestral recal you put on your opponent. Mana is the same as here black lotus and blue moxen. Since it does not need time walk I think it would be more consistent. And essentially killing your oppont with ancestral recall is just such a stupidly fun strategy

[@simongunkel7457]

It's 40 card decks in constructed at that point and while you want more Recalls than Lotuses, the chance to draw all ancestrals gets too high. I think 15 Lotus, 25 Recalls is the optimal build, with about 2% fail cases (all Recall, 1 Recall+ 6 Lotus with 3 more Lotus on top, 2 Recall with 6 more Lotus on top, 3 Recall, 9 Lotus on top, 4 Recall, 12 Lotus on top). 12 Recalls are enough to draw your deck, 13 to mill them out.

[@WaningYin]

I came here to say the same thing: all you need is black lotuses and ancestral recalls for a guaranteed turn one win. These other "win conditions" they're using must be for funsies, just extra hoops to jump through which can possibly go wrong.

[@perjohanberthelsen9655]

@@kel1taylor only weel u cant cast withmax sappire,,,i personal like timewister better,,but nomaly all can play max 4 copys off every card,,not to make it to boring...atleast thats what rules we had back in day...i still easy win round 1 if u started so it didnt matter much.

[@lordkardok666]

I know a guy who played during Alpha and he has told me of the fabled one turn kill. If you are lucky, it can be done on turn one, and doesn't require you to give yourself more turns. This combo is: One Mountain, a Black Lotus, Fireball, and Channel. Play the Black Lotus, then play your land, sac the black lotus to play channel and give you one spare mana to spend, tap your mountain to play fireball, spend 19 life to give you 19 more mana, and then fireball will deal 20 damage to your opponent. Granted, this deck that is being demonstrated is essentially a guaranteed win, it wins by giving you more turns to achieve that win, not winning on the very first turn you started on. Still was pretty cool to watch.

[@DemonicRobots]

Isn't this one turn kill where they Channel Fireball got their name?

[@jessicastevens538]

This combo is how channel fireball got their name.

[@bradcallahan3546]

It's beginning to sounds like this is how channel fireball go their name. Not sure though.

[@professormancaptain4210]

I played at the end timing of revised. This combo was largely talked about. The above comment is rather hilarious.

[@juzam7386]

Replace Montain by black lotus to limit bad starting hand and it s good. :) Player used montain cause it s easier to have that BL. At this time, tournament was really fast with all 5mn game.

[@matthewthompsonr]

Having started playing MTG in the mid 90's with Revised I still remember a tournry at my local hobby store were someone one 1st turn with Alpha Black Lotus, Mox Ruby, Channel + fireball. Fastest game I ever saw.

[@macadoo1588]

I got channel, fireball, lotus' in a tournament back on 94. You hate to lose but when it's epic and you still talked about it almost 30 years later...

[@MultiClassGeek]

Channel + Fireball is the iconic Turn 1 kill

[@dall1786]

It was iconic and seen often until Legends and then Mana drain became a card that allowed you to flip the script on them and do it back to them.

[@vederianl9723]

@@dall1786 Lotus, Ruby, Channel, Fireball is a turn 1 win. At the time there were no cards that you could play before your own first turn.

[@jefffu3820]

I remember back when I first started playing, they had just created the rule that limited each deck to four cards and my friend's dad was rage quitting the whole game because he said it was over and no one would play MtG anymore. I tried to buy his deck, but he wouldn't sell it to me because he felt bad ripping off a kid for $150. I really wish I could go back and convince him to sell it to me, because that deck would be worth probably more than a hundred thousand at this point. That's one of the reasons that I hate the reserved list so much.

[@Duskrequim]

yeah i agree the reserve list is the 1 thing that really harms the game anymore. the dumb rule that they can not print cards on that list or make cards similar is stupid.

[@lambdaman256]

@@Duskrequim yep, only reason most places can't have legacy happening. and basically is THE reason vintage is never played anymore, sheesh

[@Duskrequim]

@@lambdaman256 Whats sad is The Academy explained why the idea of it affecting prices is a basic lie. Shivan Dragon was never put on reserve list. Its Alpha and Beta are around $6k each. But its been printed dozens of times and you can pick it up for less than $.25. The original cards will always be worth more but if they would provide plenty of supply of reprints, it would give players who dont care about collecting, the ability to play in all formats.

[@Kalron9]

Yeah the reserved list is stupid. I want to play legacy but I can't justify spending $500 on a dual land. Or $5-6k on Tabernacle because I want to play lands.

[@lambdaman256]

@@Duskrequim exactly. Someone once told me there are people in wotc who own many of these cards, and the real reason the reserved list is not removed is because they want to sell out of it and profit. I really resent this and hope it is not true.

[@Krunschy]

The funny thing is that this isn't even close to how broken this format would be today. Nowadays you could just have your deck be all Chancellor of the Dross, meaning your opponent loses 21 life at the beginning of the first upkeep. The only answer to this would be Soul Spike, which however also happens to work well with the Chancellor. But if both players do this, it cancels out and the game comes down to who decks first, meaning you probably also want tech for this case too... It'd be an interesting meta for sure.

[@bradensorensen966]

But the limit of four copies was totally in play by then. These vintage cards could actually be played in these numbers at one point.

[@LordMajicus]

Ah, but you see, both strategies lose to the Nourishing Shoal deck. So then how do you beat Nourishing Shoal? Memnite deck. Shoal beats Dross, Dross beats Memnite, Memnite beats Shoal. But then to make it even more interesting, you start seeing other decks pop up to try and beat the meta!

[@toaster4598]

@@LordMajicus i didnt know about shoal and Memnite, i heard about the leyline of sanctity and the ripple burn spell strats. Cool to see the meta evolve lol

[@Auron3991]

@@LordMajicus Actually, I think Memnite ends up winning against Dross by teching a non-zero number of Providence, which sets their life to 26, placing it out of Dross' kill range.

[@C42ST3N]

You can actually do this in modern today, but you have to be really lucky to get the right starting hand

[@DeathEatsCurry]

Imagine burning through hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cards to put a vanilla 3/3 for 4 in play.

[@brunolins1330]

imagine losing for it hahaha

[@chesstitan70]

Buts not vanilla, it has Trample

[@MintyMagicMTG]

@@chesstitan70 Hill Giant has Trample?

[@phaeste]

@@chesstitan70 hill giant doesn't have trample

[@eqrommel]

Should just use Hypnotic Spectre...so if anything goes wrong they wont have any cards..

[@albertko1]

This was similar to my strat in the OG Spells of the Planeswalkers MTG pc game. That game had a cap of 5 per card, 40 card deck, and access to select cards from Antiquities and Arabian Nights as well as some game exclusives. It did also use the Ante mechanic so those cards were playable too. The win condition was an Atog pumped to the moon by consuming tapped moxes and recasting berserk. My brother and I attempted to break the final boss and see what number it took to crash the game out. Seems that recursive doubling of any number gets out of hand pretty quickly.

[@MongoTheMagnificent666]

I had a Goblin deck in Duels of The Planeswalkers (2012 I believe) that centered around "Krenko, Mob Boss". I used to toy around with the AI and see how many Goblins I could get on the field... 2k Goblins before I blue screened my friends computer lol Decided to make the deck irl after that, with a few alterations to improve it due to the PC game not having certain cards available. My friends hated playing with me, good times.

[@thomasrucker8228]

If I recall correctly the version my friend Bob ran was 2 Fireballs, 3 Timetwister, 17 Black Lotus, 18 Ancestral Recall.

[@thc_freebaser]

Jokes aside, seeing Peter being able to interact with a fan of the game he created this long ago and still visibly thoroughly enjoy it so much as well as seeing them not worry too much about playing with these kinds of cards is just so unbelievably wholesome and reassuring.

[@9justgaming]

Pretty sure those are proxy’s

[@Thebrianweissman]

They are not proxies, at least not the power portion of it. The only proxies on the table were the Psionic Blasts, oddly enough.

[@channingtaintum]

@@9justgaming You really think that the man who created Magic The Gathering would use fake copies of the cards that he helped create?

[@robertomacetti7069]

depends on the deck and the guy how much fun you have i never laughed so hard in a magic game as when my friend asked me to play pauper and proceeded to unleash a 40 minutes combo with his zubera tribal what a wonderful deck, i unhironically enjoyed it despite me being the opponent

[@perjohanberthelsen9655]

rofl

[@robertomacetti7069]

@@perjohanberthelsen9655 pauper zubera storm is a deck that everybody must witness at least once in his life

[@kurtilein3]

I rebuilt the deck that got Second Sunrise banned in Legacy. Power level not too high, you sacrifice stuff for mana and card draw, eggs and lands and baubles and stuff, then get it all back with Second Sunrise. The combo is not infinite and always has a chance of grinding to a halt, as you need to put stuff from your graveyard to the bottom of your library, then need a tutor or shuffle effect, and draw, and you need to keep hitting the tutors or combo pieces as your deck slowly gets smaller. Calculating the mana of different colors is so tedious, for this deck you use colored mana tokens to keep track of your pool. Playing the 4 Lions Eye Diamond correctly is also a challenge and prone to screwups, the deck plays LED but actually does not like the discard and cannot profit from it. Never played it against anyone, Second Sunrise got banned just as i finished building the deck, but i enjoyed goldfishing it. It is a bit of a challenge to play even alone. Win condition was a single Seal of Fire that you had to draw naturally, no tutor for that one, and stringing it together with 9 Second Sunrise resolves. 40 minutes of focus and keeping track of several different variables is normal for this combo turn. Also the judge cannot do anything, if games overrun the judge can say the game will end after X more turns, but there is no time walking, it is one very looooong main phase. So Second Sunrise got the ban hammer, as soon as this (not even very strong) deck appeared and started messing up tournament scedules. Shahrazad and Second Sunrise are the only two cards banned for being impractical.

[@brunotorelli2049]

Fantastic, the only true play there was Paper, Scissors and Rocks… lol lol

[@LucianDevine]

IKR? It all comes down to who wins the game of Rock, Paper, Scissors, unless you can somehow trick them into being on the draw game 1.

[@skitidet4302]

So essentially it's a coin toss game except there's a million dollar buy-in.

[@patsk8872]

Imagine $1.3 million of magic cards sitting there and you still have your glass of water on the table XD

[@wintervoid324]

Tolarian Academy even in standard got Turn 1 wins fairly often. In the state Championships I played, I had one opponent kill me before my turn, and later in the tournament, I did the same to someone else. 7 Rounds + 4 rounds to Finals (both Academy decks) means I hit a turn 1 win about 4% of the time, give or take. Turn 3 was an average win. Also, that deck was relatively cheap back then. Not many people figured out the combo back in those days, so the cards weren't too expensive a few weeks before states. Of course these days, it could not fly under the radar like it did back then.

[@emphyriohazzl1510]

It reminds me of playing 5cg tradewind geddon and winning almost every evening tourney for over a month at ostelen before the deck got played in some QT in the US and got known. I had seen some random mentionning the combo on themagicdojo with some shitty UW list, and it was obvious it would be much stronger in 5cg. So kinda came up with the deck on my own (with some mistakes, I played 1Maro for instance). Noone was playing firestorm to counter the lock either during that month ^^. I also came up with academia before Zvi made it popular on the dojo, although a non-optimised version (I wasn't using windfall nor lotus petals... Still got a few turn 1 kills ^^) and it was much shorter before the deck become known, maybe a week or so.

[@wintervoid324]

@@emphyriohazzl1510 Back then it was very different w/ no net decks. I played Tradewind w/ Living Death, Wall of Blossoms etc. I don't I played the Geddon version, but I do remember it. For academy, the set came out maybe 3-4 weeks before states and I used to go to a few shops. One was closer and had good competition, but the guys were pretty arrogant. The other shop was more laid back, but I liked the people better. Anyway, I remember trying out an early version of Academy at the Arrogant shop (testing, not a tournament) and was basically laughed out of the shop. I transitioned to the nicer shop, and although no one else there built it, they helped me refine it. I vastly enjoyed watching all the arrogant shop players drop out of the tournament as I ended up 2nd. That 2nd place still annoys me a bit, tied 1-2 and I was on the draw. My hand was set up for a T1 win IF my opponent didn't play a T1 Academy (Old Legend Rule). I knew it was a risk, but I was so exhausted mentally by that point I decided to gamble. He had it, and that was basically it. I was able to draw it out to T5 or 6 because he didn't have much else besides Academy, but it was enough.

[@WebSpyder777]

The good old 10 black lotus, 10 mountain, 10 channel, 10 fireball deck is still easily the best.

[@jamesfolkerts8169]

All you need.....

[@Seltaeb_]

Why not just a 13/13/13 split of lotus, channel, and fireball. Then an extra of one of them. Would eliminate a brick of drawing only mountains for mana. Or maybe something like 16 lotus and 12/12 of channel fireball would be better idk

[@daftwulli6145]

no it is not, not anywhere close. For starters using mountains is stupid, you use red moxen, since you can play as many moxen as you want, but you can only play 1 mountain

[@WebSpyder777]

@@daftwulli6145 you only need 1 mountain

[@daftwulli6145]

@@WebSpyder777 you assume you would always get all 4 cards in your start hand, which is highly unreliable, and you have no redraws. AGAIN this is not anywhere close to the best. What do you do if you have 4 mountains, 2 channels and a fireball ? A stupid face and you lose, if you have 4 moxen instead you still win. It is still pretty unreliable but at least better then your version. But overall this deck is nowhere close to the best. Most decks i found in the comments are way better since they can recover a shit start hand in nearly all cases, and since you need all 4 cards in your starthand the chance of 1 of them missing is a lot higher then you think. Any really good deck in this format relies heavily on ancestral recall and often also time twister. A really reliable way to kill your opponent for example is black vice in combo with ancestral recall. You use time twister and recall to find the black vice in your deck (4 or so should be plenty, you actually do not want that many since you go through your deck anyway, and it diminished the chances you brick since you gave too many in your starthand) and as mana you use lotus and blue moxen, or even just black lotus. Every black vice already does naturally 3 damage, plus 3 damage for each ancestral you put on your opponent. In this format a turn 1 kill is pretty much a given if you do no brick hard, so the format is not really about finding a cool turn 1 kill, but making sure you get them as many times as possible. Consistency is key, and your deck is nowhere close to consistent, sorry.

[@Atomsk2]

Lol I like how one deck is fully protected and the other is like “I had these printed this morning”

[@chrish3274]

Love your channel! I just got back into Magic, I haven't played it since I was a kid

[@89qwyg9yqa34t]

When I started playing and for many years afterward, alpha cards were worth less than beta cards because, without sleeves, they would be considered marked because of the rounded corners. Very much wish to go back to those days. Poor Kird Ape got banned around that time. Obviously it was OP.

[@Berserkerbaboen]

Garfield made Magic to fill hours with joy. He turns in his grave when he sees turn zero kills. AND FARTS UPON THEEEEEE!!!!!....

[@joshoa90210]

Money can buy an expensive deck, but it can’t buy being on the play. That’s priceless.

[@KidJV]

8:14 neat collections of boardgames in the back

[@devindevore5857]

"What's the most powerful card in Magic the Gathering? The credit card...but it to has its limits."😅 And the take on the Office Space scene!!!🤣👏

[@silent596]

Too*

[@devindevore5857]

@@silent596 oh! Thank you! I left out an "o"! Whatever would I do linguistically without you!

[@devindevore5857]

@@silent596 all for the algorithm I suppose. (Wanted to misuse some words so you could correct. You being a stickler and all but I guess it's left up too you to find the the misuse.)

[@devindevore5857]

@@silent596 can you conjugate a verb?

[@devindevore5857]

@@silent596 I'm a troll of trolls

[@alfaasen8486]

Ah man, thanks for sharing, this takes me back. Haven't smiled through a whole vid in ages. This is what makes your chest hair grow 🥸

[@princepersona]

The strongest deck you could build at the time was x19 Black Lotus x19 Ancestral Recall x2 Fireball (an extra in case ante grabbed one)

[@bellicosepariah6609]

Lightning bolts better because they are an instant and Fireball is a Sorcery.

[@Theycallmetomu]

In the first MTG computer game, the 4 of a card limit was in place, but there was otherwise no card restriction. My favorite deck involved using 4 Contract from Belows, 4 Ancestral Recalls, 4 Black Lotuses, 4 Time Twisters, 4 Time Walks, some moxes. Contract from Below can be risky of course, because ante'ing an extra card could remove your win condition, but hey: just cast ancestral recall 10 times on the stack somehow!

[@equos5060]

It's pay to win. Or "have an incredible luck in cracking packs (which you need money to buy) and get cards you need". Also, time travel to get those BL in the packs.

[@Shachza]

I honestly thought he was going to talk about the most dollar-expensive first turn 7-card win I know of... Forest Mox Ruby Mox Emerald Black Lotus Berserk Bloodlust Ball Lightning Play Forest, both Moxes, and Black Lotus. Black Lotus for red, play Ball Lightning. Tap Ruby and either forest or Emerald to Bloodlust the Ball Lightning. Tap Emerald or forest - whichever hasn't been used yet - to Bersek the Ball Lightning and then attack. Dunno' why I thought that.

[@Idka1920]

Lol Richard Garfield commenting on how he knew there would be infinite decks and how nobody would get those players any cards was priceless

[@SpectreXS]

Speaking of the 93/94 oldschool format, that time vault twiddle deck is also nuts!

[@OGHappydude]

I've got a weird feeling that the prices are a little skewed based on the price of the Lotus being a graded one. Which will always be valued more to most people.

[@tehjunkfood]

My friend had a crazy deck when we were 10 or so. Black lotus, mixes, duel lands, channel, time warp I think? Astral recall I think. Roc of courage . Savannah lions, fork, jesters mask and the other jester, just an absolutely insanely expensive deck. His mom bought him a box of alpha for Xmas that year, it was $100 and that’s where he got his lotus. The lotus itself was only $100 at the store. Duel lands were $20 and moxes were around $50 I think? I never had any duel lands or moxes , everyone else did, but I played black white blue, and used to beat them all in tournaments lol. Counterspell, sorc queen, royal assassin, majommoti djinn, clone, serra angel, phamtasm, blue 4/4 flyer I can’t remember the name of, dark rituals, sol ring, and some cards I must be forgetting. We used to buy packs all the time, ice lands just came out, and strangely I would beat everyone most of the time. My friend would get me with channel fireball fork sometimes though. I’d always save my counter spell for it.

[@twrecks4601]

It was nice to see some of the first game breaking strategy. The price for those decks are terrifying tho. Curious what it was in late 93 or 94 tho. I'd imagine still pricey!

[@daveautzen9089]

Years ago, I had the cards to build Weissman’s “The Deck” and played it. Such fun times I had.

[@sykeassai]

In short, Yes the game is pay to win. I haven't bought many cards in a few years and I know I don't stand a chance against most players within my play-group. It is not that I don't have what i'd call a fairly decent card collection. But it boils down to newer cards being better than older cards and more expensive cards being out of the reach of young players because they're simply so good, which is why they're so expensive. I believe I've said it before, my play group plays commander and the games which are most enjoyable are the ones which go back and forth and are a close run game. In a form of irony the deck I play least is one which is built to go off and win, unlike the others which are more for fun or longer play. When I use the winning deck, and I do win, I tend to feel like an asshole afterwards for having basically won a cheap victory. In comparison, after a long match, even if I loose, I tend to still feel better about the game and have had more fun playing it. So it's pay to victory, but is the winner the player who claims fastest victory or the player who has the most fun in the game?

[@LucianDevine]

Newer creatures being better than older creatures. The older spells and lands are more powerful though.

[@kevinmiller8985]

I love watching your videos and grew up playing this game when me and one of my best friends were in high school.

[@petrgolich8055]

In this context, the first opponent turn win = Braingeyser + Black Vise

[@bullogne3368]

I remember playing against Brian in Davis, Ca he was a pretty cool dude.

[@Thecalebpoe]

That moment when he slammed his cards on the table made my physically jump 😆

[@Gl1tch134]

Well better say goodbye to my house car and everything I own.

[@marxmeesterlijk]

honestly with these decks you can just stop after the rock/paper/scissors.

[@NikachuMTG]

"I won Rock, Paper, Scissors" "alright gg, you got this one" "good game"

[@papsny]

I remember the 1st Alpha deck I got, just had on the side cause as a kid, the Michael Jordan Upper Deck cards had more value for me. I still have the cards after 30 years and appreciate the value of these Alpha cards. I sold an Ancestral Recall for 10 bucks back in 95 and I felt like a millionaire

[@macadoo1588]

Those 2 decks probably constitute at least 10% of the Alpha Lotus's, Time Walks, Ancestral's and Sapphires left on Earth

[@smallmailman3992]

If they weren’t proxies tbf.

[@Thebrianweissman]

I mentioned it before, but the only proxies on the table were a few white bordered Psionic Blasts.

[@NurseTony]

For anyone that is wondering Nikachu says that at minimum that deck costs around 676,299 USD 3:55.

[@noahblevins9569]

MTG has always been pay to win. The only way to circumvent fighting against a debit card is to enter drafts. The bad part about that is you quickly surpass the cost of just building a good deck to begin with. I played heavily from 1994 to 2002. (12 years old to 20, for perspective) I owned a lot of powerful cards, and won a lot of tourneys at local hobby shops. That really bumped up my collection and helped me improve. I was too young to travel to play for any real money, and my hobby was funded primarily from cutting grass after school. My interests had changed drastically by 20, so I started putting my money into other things, and sold my 15,000+ card collection for 400 dollars. I shudder when I think about how much they would be worth today. Even then, it was plain to see that people with more money would stomp me out.

[@johnnoreau3570]

Not always. I definitely have beaten 300-600$ standard decks with $50 or less home brews. In the time of khans of Tarkir in like 2014-2016 can’t remember. I played against Jeskai dark side in a top 4 and won with a black white warrior tribal home brew.

[@wsacrules]

This was awesome to watch. Love seeing not only a LOT of old rare cards especially the power 9 but seeing even one of the creators of the game have fun. Great vid Nikachu ❤️

[@seedmole]

Hahaha, it totally isn't a turn-one kill. Not by a long shot. Hilarious to see this lol.

[@christopheranderson9430]

Wicked game of solitaire. And that round of rock, paper, scissors was truly riveting. Wait a sec. They were playing Magic?!

[@johncreekpaum4998]

One player has 700k worth of cards in plastic top loaders, other player has 700k worth of cards in regular sleeves and slams them on the table. Craziness.

[@CapsFan117]

That guy is the ex CEO of WOTC and is worth hundreds of millions of dollars so he probably doesn't care.

[@tors17]

@@CapsFan117 yea. Or probably has a thousand copies of black lotus lmao

[@Tacet137]

@@tors17 alpha had 1400 printed total

[@tors17]

@@Tacet137 ohh. Yea lol

[@seancpp]

Old people are like this. At a local store there was a older dude playing a regular ol $1,000+ modern deck--had no mat and was riffle shuffling the cards like it was a game of poker

[@netboy0]

Saw the original video as was good but your version made it a lot more fun. Congrats and Good job!

[@NikachuMTG]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@flintmcallister]

These decks could be seriously improved by simply making the win conditions channel and fireball

[@DismemberTheAlamo]

Right. hell even with restricted and banned lists with no mulligans you can pull it off pretty consistently t1

[@bradensorensen966]

@@DismemberTheAlamo Channel, Fireball, Simian Spirit Guide, and Elvish Spirit Guide. That’s all you really need. You can throw in a single basic land for good measure. You exile two Elvish Spirit guides and one Simian Spirit guide to pay for Channel and the red for Fireball. Then you exile one more of either and pay 19 life to cast fireball for 20. 6 cards required. Just hope your opponent doesn’t have Simian Spirit guide and Lightning Bolt in hand.

[@daftwulli6145]

@@bradensorensen966 since when was spirit guide in alpha ?

[@blankgaming1215]

The craziest thing is that the $46,200 black lotus was a psa 3. Imagine how much a 10 would be worth

[@thejimshep2503]

Having been a yugioh player in the beginning, and a magic player from 2000 onward, it’s funny to see how magic started so ridiculous and developed into a well rounded game. Meanwhile yugioh is in the same space as old school magic was.

[@NikachuMTG]

Lol. Yugioh had a system and they stuck to it.

[@LucianDevine]

@@NikachuMTG I think he means that Yugioh started out as a well-rounded game with 4* monsters with 1800 attack, equip magic cards, and the like, but became the ridic mess that it is today and magic was then.

[@AkagamiTcg]

Hey I'm a guy who plays both Yugioh and Magic, and shocker I prefer Yugioh still lol. But since I play both it is Interesting to see how both games have evolved over the years. From Magic going from super OP cards to well rounded at times and Yugioh being well rounded and then going to super OP card lol

[@SerpensRgn]

Definitely prefer and have more fun with Yugioh, the OP shenanigans are what makes it so much more exhilarating to play :D

[@spieleschmiedewulfrath2017]

Dude if you are honest both games have turned into S**tshows entirely, the developers of BOTH games nowadays have NO CLUE how to design a good, fair and balanced game. Ever heard of Winota, or Oko etc? No, the new Cards in MTG are more broken then ever. They had to Ban lurrus of the dream den, a new 3 mana cat because it was soo broken in all formats, and any game that allows for infinite Combos is a design- wise Faillure. Or Scute swarm, that can get to 100 or more tokens by duplicating itself lol. 60 Card Deck, over 100 Tokens with you for playing? what an insane Joke that is! no, both games are design wise Garbage ESPECIALLY NOW and that is also the Reason why MTG Arena lost over 50% of their Playerbase. When one of MTGS Designers, Mark Rosewater, asked the players on a poll, if they think the Powerlevel of the cards is too high, over 86 % answered him with a roaring yes! Nuff said.....

[@dannyk3941]

I loved everything about this video. Great stuff!!

[@jesselukes3956]

These two decks are worth more money than ill probably ever see in my life...

[@Thiccness_Is_Delicious]

With that attitude your right.

[@Nullzeros]

Come on now. Even if you worked for minimum wage you’d see that much money in a few decades.

[@Thiccness_Is_Delicious]

@@Nullzeros funny part is your right the average American workingn from 18 to retirement even on minimum wage will se about 3 million there entire career

[@Nullzeros]

@@Thiccness_Is_Delicious Ya that’s all I was getting at. It would take a while but most people would see that money. Just not in the form of money that could be spend like on something besides bills.

[@Duphe]

seeing the prices and the handling of the cards I am glad you can play mtg online. it is just sick.sick.sick to have cards at that price level.

[@senorwesty]

Yes, Magic is more than likely pay to win.

[@apex_prey]

It is. It absolutely is.

[@PawzBrownMTG]

I'd past off all my debt and have a clean slate. Great video bro. KEEP STAYING PAWZITIVE

[@wannabe2479]

Used to play MTG back in the day. I think it was 1995 and I was at a tournament that featured a first turn kill special tournament. The greatest deck I have ever seen to do this was just 3 different cards in a 90 card deck. Black lotus, Wheel of fortune & fielders cane. The goal was to cycle your opponent and have them lose when they could no longer draw cards. As expected, the deck won that tournament. Talked to the guy afterwards, said it was harder for him to gather the wheel of fortune (57) then the black lotuses (30).

[@antoinepoupard2418]

1995 ? really ? 4-same card limit was introduced between beta and Unlim. AUnlim was released in januar 1994

[@sifpils]

Sat next to Chang's deck piloted by his friend in Wizards II some years back, Blackwise and Time Twister for win con instead of the War mammoth/Hill Giant. Fun to watch from the side, not so much from the other side of the table I guess. As we chose the next opponents between turns based on results, we never played ;)

[@MTGMOXMAN]

Great video! So much fun.

[@NikachuMTG]

you would enjoy it ;)

[@LincolnsDementure]

Really cool to see Magic at its earliest roots and seeing how far it’s come

[@chrisvanderwielen1530]

I remember when we invented this deck back in 93/94. Except all mine were with Alpha cards... I used to help out at the games shop for payment of booster boxes, and friday night round-robin picking out of a case of Alpha boosters.

[@bobfels5343]

7:00 exactly!!! Thats what I thought at the start of the video too :) (taking an extra turn implies not a turn 1 win)

[@Teifling]

Lol man, watching that was hilarious. I started in 1998 just as Urza's Saga was going to be released. I didn't get into playing formally until 2002, but I remember so many people confusing me with pre 6th edition and post 6th edition rules.

[@bennycostello2472]

Vintage magic was crazy itd have 7 mana creature. 4/2. In the exact same set. 2 mana, you win.

[@ssj4bountyhunter624]

Just met Daniel Chang this past week and got to play cards against him. Nice guy!

[@vorpal120]

I thought the black lotus & wheel of fortune deck was pretty consistent too. No lands. You just had a bigger deck than op and played lotuses and a wheel turn 1 and so on until op had no deck you and you still did. Then they draw and lose on their first turn. I think there was a channel fireball variant too but that one was hit or miss.

[@rewson4467]

06:25 I love how the guy on the right is just bending his cards

[@TheDrogonite]

Nice, I was looking for some budget decks for FNM. My lucky day.

[@afi990203]

I learned pain by the form of stasis, when i first started playing i never could beat the deck my cousin had, but i had one game go 2 hours as i was able to use Elixir of Immortality 3 to 4 times in the match drawing it out before i ran out of help, you never forget a game that goes that long... this match reminded me i'll refuse to play against a stasis deck every time the offer comes up lol.

[@geiramTV]

haha this was so fun to watch. time to use all my moxes and lotuses for this then :D

[@foxracerdrew]

I got rolled by a 1 turn deck when I was playing the online version of the game around 2004. I'll never forget it, I'd never seen such a deck before, it was a pure artefact deck, no creatures. I also had the same quip about playing solitaire xD

[@dking6950]

That glass of water on the table where 2 mill worth of cards are being played with gave me anxiety.

[@pablogarin]

My best friend and I play commander. So as part of his strategy he is tutoring all the time, and shuffling for 30 minutes after that. THEN, he always play to draw (because most of his tutors are putting the card on top), and then sometimes he takes an extra turn or two... so those turns generally go like this: "hey, did you see [MOVIE]?" "Nah, is it good?" "Yeah, maybe we can watch it while you play solitaire" xD

[@StrongButAwkward]

I feel like these decks are a suboptimal version of this sort of deck that just has Lightning Bolts instead of Time Walks and creatures. Like, the Bolt version is basically just a deck full of Ancestral Recall, Black Lotus and enough Lightning Bolts for lethal (and a Twister or 2); also designed with the goal to just T1 kill every game. For the 4 mana to cast the Orge/Mammoth you'd already be 4 Bolts in to the 7 necessary, but the first Time Walk you'd be to 6 cmc and almost to lethal with Bolts. You might say, "but you need to draw 7x Bolts and that's only harder than 1 creatures and 1 Time Walk. Well, you also need to draw and cast another 6 Time Walks too, so really you are running at least 9 cards for that kill and spending almost as much as 7 Lightning Bolts just to get it rolling. Play 8x Lightning Bolt (7+ 1 in case of ante hitting a Bolt) instead and slot in another card to help the deck be more consistent. I don't see how playing a creature and a bunch of Time Walks is a better call than just playing Lightning Bolts unless the primary goal is for the deck to be the most expensive T1 kill deck rather than the best one.

[@stephenlawton3295]

This video was fun to watch Yu-Gi-Oh player here. Only time I played magic was 2010 ish and my friend said I could not even know how to play his deck was that good. Got 1st with that Chase blue white deck. Forget how to play tbh.

[@javierpatag3609]

This is amazing and fun to watch, but just like turning on cheats in a video game (yeah, I'm an old gamer), having all that power quickly makes the game boring. No challenge, no variety, only the surprise of drawing the next card, but even that's been reduced by both deck's compositions. Not to mention that being made of the original cards and having all that power means skipping out on the design innovations of later MtG. Having such decks would be really nice- particularly for the collectible and monetary values- but we and the hobby are really better off with the balances and limits that came after these cards.

[@mikotagayuna8494]

The only way to make this even more retro is to make them play on the floor without sleeves while wearing cargo pants and plaid flannel shirts.

[@burn5208]

"But even that power has it's limits." The ultimate wisdom has been bestowed.

[@ChillingWithChu]

I grew up in a family with little money. I got most of MTG cards by getting tossed a few cards for sorting other people's boxes for them. Like they would buy lots of ebay and I would sort by color and would get to get a few card as payment. Nothing great but I was able to make a deck and start playing. I remember when I beat a (at the time) $3000+ storm deck 2-1 for the finals of a FNM locals with my "pile o scraps" artifact deck that was under 20 bucks. Afterwords he dismantled his deck and never ran it again. Still in my top 5 personal MTG moments.

[@Clonekiller66]

So, I basically just watched a $700,000 game of Rock Paper Scissors

[@StuntedSlime]

I like how the original deck building rules survive in the form of the rules for making a draft deck. (Exept for the sideboard)

[@guilhermepolillo7753]

In Brazil, stores organize tournaments with decks costing up to R$200,00 only.

[@DerekScottBland]

Oh man, I remember when Weissman's "The Deck" was all the rage.

[@BLEaveable]

Nikachu, being a smartie: Has MtG always been pay to win? Me: I mean yes, but no, but yes.

[@frasert8779]

Much respect for the Office Space reference. Legend lol

[@marmalademustache926]

Seeing a deck played with card saver 1’s as the sleeves has me geeking for some reason lol

[@shibbidydoowop]

10:32 lmfao

[@FLOTOS-MTG]

I’m about to die on how much he is just playing with the cards like they are an unwanted remake from Duskmourn i can’t

[@VitalSyntax]

What video is the clip with Richard Garfield in the Red Tie from? I would like to watch the full thing...

[@NikachuMTG]

Gen con right here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYfZeZ2umdKYe5I

[@screwthenet]

Sheeesh them cards are still worth so much even after the values have plummeted by some accounts. . Btw, for those that might not know, "ante" as its used in cards, was not first used in mtg. Its a very old term, going back to at least poker games and other games played with "classic" playing cards used with betting chips. Whenever somebody would say "Ante up", well you knew you had to sweeten "the pot" with a bit more cash in order to keep playing. But the way it was used many MANY decades after the invetion of playing cards once MTG became a thing, "ante" was technically used in a similar way, as you would put a card of yours into "The pot" that the winner would collect. All the cards in the ante would be forefeit, and this, and similar "betting" kids games like pogs and the like beforehand, were one of the reasons such games were banned and looked down upon by parents, and teachers and school administrators; often banning them on school grounds outright. THe other reason was the moral "panic" that hte magic elements inherent in the franchise created in peoples minds, much like what happened in other parts ofthe 20th century, most notably with the large strings of comic book burnings during post depression era ( ironic considering we went to war eventually against Germany, whom were themselves notorious for burning books), as well as the moral panic that was caused by Dungeons & Dragons, viewed by overzealous religious types that assumed the simple game of imagination and adventure was somehow a tool for actual black magic devilry.

[@Berserkerbaboen]

Jeska+Ronin Warclub. Hulk sees powerfull lady! And quick DEATH!

[@mrKreuzfeld]

Remember reading about a deck based on lotus, recall and lighting ball. That deck always did a turn 1 kill