"Most Farmers Can't Make A Living" | Agricultural Industry In Chaos As Workers Protest

[@marumaru6084]

Yeah and yet the very rich are waiting to buy up their Land!! See the current biggest land owner in USA for an example!

[@gostakount7383]

How are farmers meant to go net zero when they need diesel to run farm equipment?

[@Worldturnedupsidedown]

Fertilizer, urea, pesticides, irrigation.machinery,haulage, all produce co2

[@MarginalFarming]

@@WorldturnedupsidedownEvery plant and tree grows by breathing Co2..Carbon sequestrated in the soil increases the water holding capacity (4x by weight), reducing irrigation. Carbon in the soil created by biomass and manures creates habitat for microbes that exchange minerals and nutrition to plants for sugars converted by photosynthesis. If you have extra Co2 and Carbon please send it to me .. I need it to grow more and better food... Thanks in advance..

[@ohnoitisnt]

By closing their buisness and selling the farms to the government

[@Worldturnedupsidedown]

@@MarginalFarming I'm with you co2 is life

[@gostakount7383]

@@ohnoitisnt that still wont make them net zero

[@claudiojunior9618]

CLIMATE CON.

[@furryfurnace9601]

WEF mentality needs to be defeated!

[@mrdee2454]

They will cause a food famine. This is serious.

[@lksf9820]

Lol 🤣

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Lol, complete rubbish. Plenty of food in the world. Heck, massive quantities of corn and sugarcane are grown just to produce ethanol. French are so swamped with excess wine that they send huge quantities to be converted into industrial alcohol. The problem isn't lack of food, it's too much food so that low prices drive out all the inefficient farms. Which is exactly what should happen. It's insanity to expect taxpayers to give subsidies to inefficient farms when there's already a glut of food.

[@michaelwalsh9145]

@@lksf9820what are you laughing at?

[@samtindall6707]

​@@lksf9820 keep laughing you won't be when theres no food for you

[@nigeljacklin2356]

Here are three 'asks' from a local farmers group: 1, BAN SUBSTANDARD IMPORTS ! 2,MAKE LABELING HONEST ! 3, SAVE UK FOOD SECURITY ! Next protest Cantebury Sunday 11.30 details in KentOnline.

[@nigeljacklin2356]

Organising group Fairness for Farmers says members will meet at the top of Bridge Hill and the Wincheap Industrial Estate at 11:30am. The demonstration will end at Wincheap roundabout.

[@shit__gamer]

Any protests up north?

[@corydorastube]

Tell them they have the Brexit they voted for. That will sort it out for them.

[@BenStevenson-c4z]

Support British 🇬🇧 Farmers 🚜

[@philiptidmarsh]

Most small to medium farm owners have to do other things to keep the farms going.Luckily famers have to have many different skills to do there job some of which can be used to make an alternative living .I am speaking from experience as a Quanity Surveyor and small farm owner.

[@wickertwm]

Staving people will revolt. Better tell the politicians because they will be the ones that the rage will be taken out on. Read about the French Revolution.

[@lksf9820]

Go read about the Miners and the Luddites, it went really well for them.

[@sarahmansell3611]

Hi you can't have cheap food prices & low farm prices without subsidiaries

[@188fergie]

Well said

[@420california]

In the end,it's the people who will be starving not politicians. They will have what ever they want.

[@rob6255-j4t]

If you look at the average farmers equipment its easy to see how much money they need and expect.

[@tom4412]

Can you explain, are you saying the equipment is good or poor

[@rob6255-j4t]

@@tom4412 Hi tom , i meant that farming is expensive their machinery is expensive they need and should get a good return for their produce. R. Ex agri.

[@tom4412]

@@rob6255-j4t hi Chloe, yes Farm equipment certainly is expensive. I wouldn’t fancy trying to run a tractor and keeping up the repayments

[@GeoEng1986]

Nice tractors they have, on the farm we drive old models because we can't afford what they are driving. They are making money, they are just not making enough money to buy a new car or travel all over the place every year. They are making a living and surviving.

[@cliffburdett7700]

the big supermarkets have messed it up for farmers!! they will not give them a fair price for there produce!!

[@tomnapier681]

here is a thought why not pay a large area of farmers not to produce any products for 2 months 6 months or a whole year and see what the effect is just so one can see what changes actually happen if any and what happens to the local community

[@martinfield2358]

Remember - Farmers are part of one of the very few sectors who buy Retail and sell Wholesale. Not too easy in reality. Try asking your local supermarket to start doing the same!

[@silverdale3207]

You forgot to add we also pay the freight both ways.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Huh? Your comment makes no sense.

[@silverdale3207]

@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb Makes perfect sense mate. When we buy goods to run the farm, Fert, diesel, machinery etc we pay the retail price and pay to have it freighted to the farm , when we sell crops, livestock etc we get paid wholesale and still have to pay the freight to send it to the buyer, hence ,pay retail sell wholesale and pay the freight both ways. It's an old joke amongst farmers.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

@@silverdale3207 Hmm, so you don't get low-tax diesel, don't buy fertilizer, seed, pesticides, herbicide in bulk? That's no more 'retail' than any manufacturer pays for their supplies.

[@silverdale3207]

@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb why should we pay road tax on diesel, we use it off road, any tax on it is unfair apart from GST, and yes probably apples to some manufacturers as well but most of their customers would pay freight when buying from the manufacturer, as OP said, one of the few, not the only one.

[@scottpeterson6725]

Farmers in the US are not doing any better. The prices that the farmer gets back per pound of apples or cherries are lower now than it was in the 1990s.

[@paulslater9061]

I wish people would shut up about net zero that's the whole problem it can't be done

[@stevo728822]

It's not green policies. There are too many EU farmers producing too much food that the market cannot absorb.

[@garyb455]

All these stupid laws come from the EU. The European Commission is failing farmers by dragging its feet on imposing the same environmental norms on foreign imports as it does on the continent, France’s ex-agriculture minister has warned. France receives about €10 billion in subsidies per year through the Common Agricultural Policy and has enough farmland to be self-sufficient. Yet it imports cheap Chinese black wheat to make its famed Breton galettes, Canadian seeds treated with pesticides banned in the EU to make Dijon mustard, and huge quantities of Brazilian chicken full of antibiotics that are off-limits for European poultry farmers.

[@mariewalmsley6143]

Blame the vegans.

[@hancoopmans9459]

In the Netherlands we see that the current way of earning money in the agricultural sector is sufficient, but not for the farmers themselves. To ensure that farmers, on average (over a period of approximately 20 years), earn a good income, the practice of parasitizing on the farmer from the other companies in the ag business (the related businesses, the suppliers of the farmers, ) must become a thing of the past. Farmers adopt production methods that yield the most profit for others, with the related businesses' profit models taking precedence. Policies are shaped to let these profit models excel, and farmers facilitate them at a their own loss. Related businesses earn their money through mass/volume trade, shifting their failure costs to farmers, and exporting knowledge, skills, and craftsmanship developed by farmers abroad. Stringent regulations force investments and employment in favor of these related businesses. 'Farmers' leaders and agricultural 'intellectuals' are utilized by these businesses to lobby in politics and within the farming community, aiming to maintain the dominance of related companies in the agricultural sector's profit model. Although there seems to be an intention to improve farmers' income, it often doesn't materialize; the efforts appear more as a means to gain farmers' support. Breaking through these polarizing profit models requires considerable effort.

[@ZirkWolmarans-y4w]

Learn from South Africa . No goverment influence plus economy of scale = success. Facing our own difficulties .

[@Chris-vp2lm]

They aren't planting food? Uh oh.

[@SERGUMUM]

And why million of planes are on every single day ?. If they want net zero emissions?. Something weird, innit?.

[@randersen2171]

If a business is paying sub average sallery to its owners, how are the owners supposed to pay, enough climate reperations, to cover the entire nation?... think ppl. newer mind i quit farming yesterday.

[@cranerigging3604]

This is why our ancestors left Europe !

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

Boo hoo. Taxpayers are tired of subsidizing inefficient farms. Why anyone thinks subsidizing inefficient farms is good for society is boggling. The land won't go out of production, it will simply be consolidated with other farms to reach a size that allows them to compete vs world markets. No other businesses get subsidies, so why are farmers somehow special? Either subsidize all small businesses or none at all.

[@multipower617]

It's not anything to do with efficiency, subsidies are there to ensure food is cheap and plentiful, and it's a very successful policy By the way LOTS of business are subsidised

[@WardysWaffleAndrewWard]

You benefited from the subsidies we used to receive because it kept food prices low on the shelf. This meant we could produce food at a loss but the subsidies meant we made a profit and reinvested. A huge number of ancillary industries benefit if a farmer makes a profit.

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

@@WardysWaffleAndrewWard Nope, you've got it backwards. Food prices are higher because of subsidies - that's WHY grifters want subsidies. I'd much rather pay a wheat farmer with thousands of acres that can support the most efficient machinery than supporting a gentleman part-time farmer who only has a farm because it's a nice, cheap subsidized lifestyle. Either gain economies of scale or sell to someone who can. This isn't the 1800s when there no other occupations/businesses.

[@corydorastube]

@@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb You just do not know what you are talking about.

[@peterforfun210]

You ever seen a poor farmer we haven't

[@lksf9820]

Then you never left the house.

[@silverdale3207]

You have to have a lot of capital to get into farming, doesn't mean we make a lot out of farming, ever heard the term asset rich cash poor, if I had my time again I'd probably get a nice 9 to 5 job. No stress, weekends off and more money.

[@corydorastube]

I would nake you work on one for a year. A Scottish hill farm for a winter and a lambing season would sort you out.

[@alexannal]

Farmer here Electric cars are better overall for the environment. Farming contribution to climate change is 13% to 25%, totally depending on how you calculate it. Beef farming is 5%. A very small amount of co2 emissions. Cut co2 emissions from other sources before going after the people that feed you.

[@mrcollier1641]

Trade is hurting everyone all over the world. Countries shouldn't trade with each other because of the difference cost.

[@skyocamehelko3951]

Has anyone noticed that this all started after our queens passing x This wouldn't have happened on her watch

[@nevans8416]

This was all being planned long before the queen passed away. Been planned by governments before at least 2020

[@stuartrobertson4714]

And the Westminden was going to transfer meat and lamb all the way from Australia and New Zealand when we farmers can grow it on our own door step as for wind farm we should get our electricity for nothing god gave us the wind and air we breath not for people to make money off

[@silverdale3207]

Hate to say it but that is all part of trade deals we agree to take stuff from you and you from us, you can't really have a protected market and also expect to export with no barriers . I'm a sheep farmer in NZ and while I support the farmers in the UK and elsewhere, we have to farm with zero subsidies or government support plus pay to freight it to the other side of the world only to be met with tariffs in your country designed to protect your producers from competition, so it is heavily stacked in your favour. What we all have in common is WEF policies trying to destroy family farms so the corporates can take over all over the world. I'll barely break even this year by working 7 days a week, I'd probably be better off flipping burgers at Mc D's. Is great to see the protests across Europe, for all our sakes I hope it gets through to the government .

[@sarahann530]

​@@silverdale3207 Then go flip burgers and quit whinging.

[@silverdale3207]

@@sarahann530 cool, I'll be serving you when you come in with your subsidies then.

[@milespostlethwaite1154]

This all misses the point. They are talking about reducing carbon dioxide as if it makes any difference to anything. CO2 is good for the planet. We need more of it in the atmosphere. As Paul Burgess says, “ There is no downside to more CO2.”

[@corydorastube]

Paul Burgess is a Civil Enginerr. A glorified plumber. Why should I take anything he says on climatolgy seriously? Would you take advice on Water Resporce Planning from a climatologist?

[@milesthom3201]

​@corydorastube Paul Burgess has studied climate for many years. Also it is very typical of a climate alarmist to go for the man and not the ball. It doesn't matter what his qualifications are. What counts is the evidence he brings Paul Burgess tends to quote from data published by the scientists who advise the IPCC.

[@corydorastube]

@@milesthom3201 Yes it does matter whjat his qualifications are. I'm a baker, would you let me perform surgery on you just because I have read the books? Typical science denier deflection. Find a climatologist that agrees with your position and we can talk. I'm not interested in what engineers or chippies think. Has Burgess managed to get any papers published in any peer reviewed journals?

[@anthonyt5342]

Stop producing food, cures all problems🤣🤣😂😂

[@dan__________________]

Must be nice when ever farmer can drive a brand new tractor.

[@shortytari]

You think. Most likely that tractor is on a loan or a lease and not fully pd for. He is just able to afford the payment.

[@dan__________________]

@@shortytari Well, they don't have to drive a new one, it's a choice that increases costs dramatically.

[@shortytari]

@@dan__________________ no they don’t , but the older stuff does not have a warranty and if something major fails it’s a very large expense, which is part of the justification of the new stuff. We personally use older pd for equipment. It’s a choice, but bottom line you gotta know what you can afford. This is an up and down business sometimes you make money sometimes you lose money the trick is to make more than you lose.

[@dinaworkman306]

Is that why they are selling ti builders

[@tom4412]

Who’s selling what to builders

[@veziqiniso4425]

Engage @Understanding Ag in finding solutions

[@johnhyde8892]

I am a farmer and I can't claim any subsidy and I don't claim any grants. BPS was taken off me, and that was not my fault. I also can't claim SFI😕🤔

[@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb]

For suffering taxpayers and consumers, that's music to our ears! No other businesses get handouts if they are inefficient - they simply go bankrupt.

[@WardysWaffleAndrewWard]

@@ArthurDentZaphodBeebit’s not a question of being inefficient. How would you be if you’re working for nothing? The inputs we buy to grow your food, has risen 30% in 3 years yet we’re selling our crops at the same price as 15 years ago. I wonder what you’d say if you were paid the same as you were 15 years ago?

[@grahamtong3557]

The farmer gets paid one hell of amount of money and don't have to grow a thing it's paid just because they own the land

[@188fergie]

No wonder big business is wanting to buy up land then

[@tom4412]

Yes that’s because most of the sprays needed to protect a crop are now banned in the UK

[@grahamtong3557]

@@tom4412 I believe there is a thing called organic not as iam a free of chem food alot of the trouble is good land is being built on daft trian lines and more and more industrial estate when in hower town there's old estate with no one in them if all the industry estate had solar panels put on the roofs all over the country instead of taking land to put them ? Still these poor farmers are paying anything from £8000 to £15000 per acre must be the old saying were there's muck I worked on a farm for 18 years and had a small holding made money but had to give it all up and become a hgv driver so I could have my own home and feed me and my kids when I worked on the farm my boss drove a band new range rover had a V12 Jag in the shed for a blast when he felt like it also had four holidays abroad each year and I drove a old mini which had to be fixed all the time to keep it on the road so I been there no such thing as a poor farmer.

[@tom4412]

I’m not a farmer myself, I work on a farm/ farms. And have done for the last 22 years. Right so you gave up farming yourself on a small holding. Because it didn’t make enough money to look after your family. That was however many years ago, today slightly larger farms than your small holding can’t make money, because they aren’t big enough. Land is expensive because people other than Farmers want to buy it.

[@grahamtong3557]

@@tom4412 hi Tom you read it wrong I worked on a farm totaling 700 acre started as assistant pig man then the farmer sold them so he offered me the tractor drivers job who had left so there was two of use for about six years and he left leaving me only bigger tractor's came in and bigger every thing but as the same time as I was doing sometimes 90 to 100 hrs a week I was running my own small holding as well do miss the out side work but now at 68 I don't have to work just try and find the money to live how things go around 👍take care GT.

[@rockgeluk9746]

Has anyone maybe thought that there are too many EU farmers? In North America we farm more acres more efficiently with minimal subsidies. In EU farmers feel entitled to make a living off 100ha. You could grow the same amount of food with half the farmers with today’s technology and economics.

[@corydorastube]

But we don't want to eat chicken washed in chlorine or eat beef that has been grown in a factory from cattle fed on hormones. We want our beef grass fed.

[@widervision710]

Hope they're not missing their seasonal hard working Eu citizens, or their EU subsidies?

[@unusedsub3003]

I’ll support British farmers when they buy British cars. Farmers bit the hand that fed them (the EU) and now they’re crying about Brexit 😂

[@widervision710]

@@unusedsub3003 Are there any British cars suitable/available for farming? And you're right about the Brexit crap, they were also a little naive in voting for the dream.....

[@DrJams]

Farmers in the EU are protesting there too

[@unusedsub3003]

@@widervision710 When the industrial sector of Britain was being systematically destroyed, were farmers offering any solidarity with the British industrial sector?

[@widervision710]

@@DrJams on a huge scale, they know how to do it right......

[@bigpatfromsheffield1091]

Never met a poor farmer...

[@Worldturnedupsidedown]

Over 5million farms have gone in Europe in the last 15 years, mostly small family farms who can't make ends meet

[@marshallh9]

Perhaps you meant “Never met a farmer”.

[@thegreat7861]

@@marshallh9that’s exactly what they meant when they made that childish, ignorant comment

[@MarginalFarming]

Hello - how are you ?

[@ericschoeman6613]

Ask a southafrican boer in England he will help you understand

[@unusedsub3003]

Farmers were receiving thousands in subsidies from the EU. Then they put up silly banners on hay bales telling people to vote Leave. Talk about biting the hand that feeds you. Still, as my dad used to say, you never see a farmer on a push bike 😂

[@DrJams]

Farmers are protesting in the EU. Leaving the EU was the best thing ever

[@charlesyeo8252]

U.K. farmers are getting the same amount of subsidy as they did from the EU from the U.K. government. The EU have allowed Ukrainian wheat into the EU crashing the wheat price costing U.K. agriculture £800 million and EU farmers even more. Polish and Hungarian farmers have been blocking the border with Ukraine in protest. But of course you would now all this being a EU fan boy and it’s all over the MSM not.

[@MarginalFarming]

You cannot pull a harvester through mud with a push bike - your dad was a genius ..

[@unusedsub3003]

@@MarginalFarming You can’t with a brand new shiny 4x4 either.

[@MarginalFarming]

@@unusedsub3003Well Well - somehow I manage .

[@levifoyle135]

Will have to sell all their million pound tractors. And super car collections hidden in barns

[@MarginalFarming]

Hilarious - imagine me digging up crops by hand to feed you .. or better still - want a job mate ?

[@levifoyle135]

@MarginalFarming 1. How much food in supermarkets these days comes from uk. 2. You wouldn't employ me as you would rather employ immagrants on a low wage and let them stay in your cow shed

[@MarginalFarming]

@@levifoyle135I am Australian Mate - We have shearers that live in a swags on remote properties or sleep on the back of their utes. We don't have cow sheds - our cattle are free range, they rest under trees.. So you are right - I wouldn't employ you.. you are not qualified..

[@nicolassTRAVEL]

Brexit benefit....a disaster

[@BonusHole]

Look at the Farmers in the EU and keep your mouth closed.

[@DrJams]

EU is attacking their farmers too.

[@nicolassTRAVEL]

No brexit is the cause

[@BonusHole]

That would be why farmers in the EU are spending their time spraying horse shite everywhere.

[@johnmcmullan9741]

Define 'living'. What do farmers expect to earn from farming? Farming isn't exactly a highly skilled role. Let's be honest about it.

[@MynameisEarl1981]

Making a stupid comment from an iPhone, apparently isn’t a highly skilled role either huh?

[@johnmcmullan9741]

@@MynameisEarl1981 What do farmers expect to earn from farming?