The Story of Yu-Gi-Oh's Most Hated Card

[@MBTYuGiOh]

So amazed how this came out, and so happy to be a part of it!

[@PhyYuGiOh]

Ty Joseph, thank you for taking the time to tag along for this video

[@johnnickfanaccount3492]

Video would be better without you

[@EmptyxVoid]

It's my favorite C-word yugituber!

[@residentgrey]

The evolution was surprising! Has anyone tried A Closed Forest against Mystic Mine??? I tried in the past to work within the set I has available to me (Duel Links) to strategize for that card and beyond staples that is what I have seen as a bit of a barrier.

[@AljoschaW1993]

​@@PhyYuGiOhthis Kind of Yu-Gi-Oh Content is amazing keep going :)! I love it

[@elzian4975]

Legend has it, Mystic Mine was created by a Monkey's Paw of "I wished Yugioh would go longer than 2 turns again"

[@undeadinside3571]

And hand traps were the monkey's paw of "i wish i could get around these unbreakable boards

[@senny-]

​@@undeadinside3571And handtraps are totally fine

[@Sneakyeggs]

This 2 turn or 1 turn yugioh is trash makes the game not worth playing

[@undeadinside3571]

@@senny- mostly, but then we get hand traps like nibiru, which have next to no counter play

[@mortgageapprovals8933]

Mystic Mine. A toxic, stupid card that can be countered with 20+ cards where no card costs more than $2.

[@captainsunshine64]

Fun story about Mystic Mine: Myself and my little sister used to play yugioh casually and one day decided to try out a locals. She was playing Crystal Beasts a few years before the structure deck came out (her boss monster was Scrap Dragon), so wasn't expecting to win, but wanted to see what it was like to play against someone who wasn't her brother. Her first game was against Mine Burn. While shuffling her opponent asked if she had spell/trap removal, she said no, so he gave her 3 Twin Twisters to add into her deck. Safe to say, Mine was her least favourite card from then on.

[@AljoschaW1993]

Great Opponent :)

[@ragnaricstudios5888]

Yeah the fact that you have to use very specific S/T removal to even have a chance against Mine is ridiculous

[@pkkiller_apathy4568]

Wow if people had played the terrible trap card that shuffles your hand and field into the deck you couldn't get mystic mined

[@DakarrtheTerminator]

yeah if you didn't want to fight meta, meta and sometimes cancer it used too be percy or bust and nowadays I guess ignis or bust. Playing irl yugioh is just its own special hell.

[@Jyxero]

@@pkkiller_apathy4568 Localized tornado right? Well, sure, you get rid of your field for free, then when you want to play chain Terraforming, and 2nd Terra after getting Ash'd... and if by winning by deckout due to Tornado... well, doubt Solemns would allow it Conclave (For the scenario of Crystal beast) is a solid out for it thou

[@Savaris96]

Also Jeff Leonard showed why he is so beloved/respected among the community by rolling up with fucking Exodia after Mystic Mine got banned

[@eavyeavy2864]

The equivalent of "im racist but at least im being honest"

[@ZaphodBeeblebrox-sy8ey]

>plays yugioh to hang out with his son >only plays stun decks 😂

[@ketsura3618]

Funny how because of Jeff Jones I came to realization that if I faced a old player, he would be probably playing stun decks, because apparently old ppl cant combo.

[@Alex_Barbosa]

​@@ketsura3618combo is just as lame as stun.

[@duckstep647]

One more piece! One more piece! One more piece!

[@JojosASMR]

Thank you so very much for having me on! You did an incredible job with putting this video together and this turned out so well!

[@PhyYuGiOh]

This was your idea ;)

[@cainschamber]

Jojo the GOAT

[@shwedoo-6035]

I am so glad to see you interacting with the yugioh creators, as a fan of both asmr and yugioh

[@True_Lycan]

well that was a big surprise to see you pop up here. But a welcome one~

[@kazmizi8024]

so good to get to see ausies on a main youtube channel, and that's typical Poe with a last minute Visa situation 🤣

[@feangren]

And now that Mystic Mine is banned, Jeff Leonard is now running... Exodia FTK :D

[@superscatboy]

Absolute chad

[@truekeyblade5563]

With Pendulums 😀

[@tempestst_pr0to]

chode to chad

[@Thepreacher_1]

At the very least it's an improvement

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

You have no idea how happy I was to see him use Final Countdown. I played that card all the time back when I was still really into this game. My deck was mainly a stall deck that tried to beat them by decking them out, but Final Countdown was in there as like a buffer. I won once, and ONLY once, by actually stalling with Final Countdown since I, somehow, was lucky enough to draw it on turn 1, and I kid you not I had 750 LP left when turn 20 rolled over. I stood to my feet and yelled "OH IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWWWWWN!!!" and I felt like a god. Best time I ever had playing that game. Everyone always told me that card was crap and not to use it lol.

[@wingamesyugioh7981]

Bro casualy drop the hardest jeff leonard edit ever

[@PhyYuGiOh]

shoutout yataloked, he's the 🐐

[@jervey123]

lol, i like how jeff is just someone's dad in this tournament and proceeded to cheese everyone out in the running and he hates combo decks, which is such an on-brand yugi boomer move

[@SabGamingWoodyard-if7dp]

Idk the fact it can take 4 minutes for a turn on master duel where shuffling searching is streamlined turns me off. Like it doesn't feel like a back and forth game it's more of a 100m dash race to your combo or infinite negates

[@雷鳗鱼]

never a fan of combo deck, but also not a stun decks lover, i like midrange/beat control type decks alot

[@matthewrock4725]

​@@SabGamingWoodyard-if7dpcan we only do something these days if a turn doesn't take 12 seconds to complete? Sheesh it's a card game.

[@Mattadork]

@@雷鳗鱼 i like whichever deck i have fun with, currently since mine was banned, i've been playing speedroid, d/d/d, and traptrix... unfortunately nothing is as fun as mystic mine was, the sheer anger towards 1 card because a bunch of man babies refuse to put backrow in their main deck because "this game doesn't have spell/trap cards, we run monsters here!" was so funny. whenever i went mystic mine pass and then it passed for 20 turns, forcing my opponent to sit there in agony was the best thing ever, i didn't play burn that was too boring, i liked watching my opponent play to deck out.

[@flameknightdragon]

@@matthewrock4725 it's so fun watching your opponent go 10 minutes setting up their combo that end in a field of omni negates before you get to draw a card. and fun fact yugioh in the only card game that does crap like that on turn 1.

[@viniciuspessanha7128]

João (Ycs Rio Winner) said in one of his deck profile videos that he played Mystic Mine Burn just to make Konami ban the card. Worked like a charm

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

Fucking chad move

[@angelocosta6649]

O homi é brabo

[@rehberg.]

I actually played against Jeff in that PPG Orlando tournament. Incredibly nice guy. Glad his deck is gone but thankful he’s still around the game.

[@Friendly_Neigborhood_Astolfo]

May inspire more boomers to play. When I went to my first pokémon vgc tournament, my first opponent was a older women. We need this. Also I would imagine playing a strategy game is good for the old braim too

[@theskullboy8700]

we all may hate mystic mine, but we can all agree that Jeff Lenard is the GOAT

[@XTempestBuster]

We may hate mystic mine, but we love jeff They would even each other out, but jeff is just superior

[@theskullboy8700]

@@XTempestBuster perfectly balance as all things should be

[@theskullboy8700]

@@SLICKone-zm1kv there are other animals?

[@jshtng78]

@@SLICKone-zm1kvIt's the result of you older folk never giving another animal a name that is an acronym for a version of 'The Best Ever'. Own up to that.

[@TheBluntsmith69]

Came for the content, stayed for the Jeff Leonard montage

[@eavyeavy2864]

Why christian defend israel attrocities can be traced from how yugioh player simp for jeff

[@dave9020]

@@eavyeavy2864 what

[@Alex_Barbosa]

​@@eavyeavy2864huh?

[@Faircraft3]

​​@@eavyeavy2864jesse what the fuck are you talking about

[@Edge-xy3fv]

​​@@eavyeavy2864 least schizo yugioh player

[@AstralPhnx]

I still remember how in the peak of Mine format, I threw together a Beat Cop cosplay for the Oceania championships because this was when everyone was protecting Mine with Beat Cop. Ended up on the official livestream holding up one of the prize mats lmao. That was where I officially peaked

[@0rnami]

Fans: "we want a slower game!" Konami: releases Mystic Mine Fans: "No, not like that"

[@AstralLaVista]

I do like that collectively the community not only gives jeff a pass for playing stun, but actually get hyped to see him play it 😅

[@spicymemes7458]

It's actually kinda toxic. Jeff is a nice guy and I am glad this dad figure is embraced, but people being assh*les to others for playing these decks is socially awkward behavior.

[@AstralLaVista]

@spicymemes7458 nah if you like playing floodgates your gonna get told they're unfun to play against that's just the nature of stun vs combo, if you take that to heart that's on you, because as we've seen the community is also capable of being wholesome

[@bruhmoment1835]

Everyone should play stun. Go play solitaire if you want to play combo. Prep well, and draw the out

[@AstralLaVista]

@bruhmoment1835 flipping a floodgate is just as unskilled than a memorised combo

[@spicymemes7458]

@@AstralLaVista It doesn't matter what you play, what you look like, where you are from, etc. We all play the same game using the same tools given by the same company, and picking and choosing who gets shit and who doesn't only makes us look childish and sets a bad tone for others coming in, especially when we converse mostly online.

[@Vaniity_Velvet]

The problem I had with Mystic Mine was the not being able to declare an attack. It could have locked down Card Effects, Spell and Trap Effects and Special Summoning and it would have been perfectly fine. Very, very slow. Still would have been the best control card in the entire game, but it would have let players counter it by effectively playing old-school Yugioh again. Gemini Elf Sisters and La Djiin would have actually seen use again outside materials for some sort of summon.

[@randomprotag9329]

mystic mine does not need a buff being a skill drain field spell was already good. the main thing it needed was requiring the controler control a monster.

[@GatsbyCioffi]

​@@randomprotag9329Yeah, like Kaiser Coliseum. Wonder if it'd ever return with an errata (or a similar nerfed card gets printed)

[@kappadarwin9476]

@@GatsbyCioffi Its funny the Kaiser Coliseum is way weaker than Mystic mines and harder to search yet it was banned while Mines stuck around for a good while.

[@Brawler_1337]

@@randomprotag9329TBH, if Mine only had its Skill Drain effect, I think that would inherently encourage its controller to control at least one monster. Under Skill Drain, your opponent can still summon monsters and apply pressure; you can’t just sit there and do nothing. So, the Mine player would either need to lock out attacks with another unsearchable floodgate or present pressure of their own, most likely in the form of a big monster your opponent can’t just run over. But now that the Mine player controls a monster, their opponent can just match monster counts and turn off mine. Really, it was the combination of Skill Drain plus Wall of Revealing Light on Mystic Mine that allowed you to just sit on it with no monsters until you could win.

[@randomprotag9329]

@@Brawler_1337 it would encourage mirror force more than monsters. attack stopping back row would be much more likely to go though when its important an it removes the option to equal on monsters.

[@DaviRenania]

This video doesn't capture how groundbreaking Jeff Leonard's first Mystic Mine list was. It was like people were playing Yugioh and he was playing Bakugan.

[@dpacula63]

Come on man, the price discourse was completely warranted. $1000 just to compete? For only 10 cards? This is ridiculous and the communities complacency towards justifies my quitting even more. In before people say “just play masterduel/dueling book” because yeah that’s TOTALLY what real Yugioh is. I don’t think it’s fair to call people casuals because they literally can’t afford to play better decks. What you want them to do? Pull money out their ass?

[@paz8723]

Youve had 20+ years to discover how expensive this particular game can be.

[@drexsd4448]

Same reason why I don't do official MTG events. There's zero reason why singular cards should EVER be more than $100, let alone multiple hundreds of dollars when they're basically required to play at certain levels

[@stoop..kid..]

@@paz8723what does that even mean?

[@Carinail]

Honestly I think the Online is probably dead (but to be fair I haven't checked) but as a casual player Legacy of the Duelist Link Evolution is quite good in that its more than recent enough for me to not care much about what it's missing, has a fun way of unlocking cards (and for link evolution ALL cards are included), and has several NPC duels with not RECENTLY meta decks, but decks that would've been dominant in 2010 if the components were around, so they don't just utterly fall over unless you completely metagame, but given you have to actually unlock cards its relatively hard to find a deck that invalidates the NPC's. Hard recommend.

[@instrumental]

Use proxies? Tournaments should be based on skill not money. Some 1000 iq poor kid can't compete and could be miles ahead of #1

[@Aymungoos]

Jeff Leonard is the perfect anti-hero for yugioh

[@jojomations2596]

When you think about it, Jeff Leonard is the best duelist of our generation and his generation

[@CBillemeyer]

I’m instantly reminded of Lantern Control from MtG. Force the opponent to discard any answers then the lock prevents them from drawing into any… Eventually the opponent gets tired of passing turn and and concedes

[@yeen4204]

as someone who has no idea how yu-gi-oh works, it reminds me of ensnaring bridge for sure. although infinitely more broken from the sound of it😆

[@Terszel]

mtg has entire color filled with mystic mine bullshit

[@skylar5257]

Godtier deck, one of the most innovative decks made.

[@yourhighschoolenglishteach8405]

0:54 its barely relevant, but “hobbies should be expensive” is the most evil thing i have heard someone say

[@RoundShades]

"water is a privilege, not a right" *PHONK MUSIC PLAYS* "You don't own anything, you just own limited term licenses to use things" *PHONK MUSIC INTENSIFIES*

[@kingghidorah6689]

There is nothing wrong with playing cards being expensive. It's irrelevant. If you have substancial amounts of money to spend in card games, your life is already so unbelievable privileged that I don't care about your whining. Complaining about the affordability of petty luxuries just weakens the socialist arguments for price controls or fair regulation to stop actual price gauging when it matters. Comparing availability of play cards to availability of water is obscene.

[@kingghidorah6689]

​You should learn to separate your stupid ideas. Affordability of luxuries, copy rights and essential necessities (like water) are fundamentally different issues. Only extremists, on either side, would see those three issues as remotely comparable.

[@exocolt15]

@@kingghidorah6689not very bright are ya bud? 😑🤦🏻‍♂️

[@kingghidorah6689]

@exocolt15 That's not an argument.

[@Csthh]

FUCK THIS CARD. Jeff Leonard is the only reason I didn’t quit the game back then. Also the video was awesome, thx for the content.

[@spicymemes7458]

Is it because he is an affable older guy, and that's a rare demo in yugioh?

[@MaxLee-gd3nt]

I just experienced the biggest joy and the worst sorrow in YGO in quick succession. On one side, a new Phy video dropped. On the other, I saw Mystic Mine on the field

[@vernanonix]

Do you want solitaire or do you want 20 turns of passing? That's all Yugioh is now.

[@easiestcc6451]

Skill issue

[@firefox1133]

​@@easiestcc6451that's NOT skill issue idiot

[@zen5528]

So true 😂

[@BladeYGO]

Phenomenal vid as always Garret, it’s been wild seeing the channel blow up over the past few months, and very well deserved at that! Glad I’ve been able to help in any way I can ;)

[@blueplasticbag]

Well maybe you should help your audience and release a video

[@Badbufon]

as a Master Duel andy and i am glad it came pre banned, at the release of MD i felt in love with altergeist and i remember in the facebook groups people posting they topped with the mine so in my mind i thought the geist were a legit meta treat but now watching this video with no mention at all of them i came to the realization that it was just another sub par stun deck. also watching all the MD meta decks throught the lens of the TCG was a trippy trip through memory lane lol, great video.

[@caellanmurphy4751]

yup mystic mine being banned in the OCG For years paid off

[@babrad]

Shifter cannot fill those shoes no matter how hard he tries.

[@eavyeavy2864]

If it rent free it already does

[@HYDEinallcaps]

@@eavyeavy2864 Speak human, please.

[@gravekeepersven82]

I am a shifter enjoyer myself.

[@babrad]

@@HYDEinallcaps "if Shifter leaves rent free in your mind, it has already filled those shoes" I assume they mean something like that. The fun part is that I actually enjoyed Mystic Mine (the card, not the deck) because it gave me a valid reason to play junk like Vivid Tail and High Rate Draw. Then it's even more ironic because I'm planning to sell my FKSE and join the Shifter gang since I really want to play Yubel and can't wait for the LeDe support.

[@HYDEinallcaps]

@@babrad I said speak human, not 4channel.

[@neopixelosu]

I still remember playing a PPG online event with a friend who also played mine, and we had about half the participants all in the same lobby watching a mystic mine mirror as everyone else had already finished their matches. It was a strangely fun experience to witness it (Jeff won obviously)

[@djjorge87]

Pro tip. Cuts should happen around 5 seconds to give people time to observe and epically read those text. They where out in about 3s which is to little for most to read it accurately. Also, using that with other translational and b roll clips keeps them around 5 seconds for the best result. This is what pro editors do in movies and documentaries. This is not hate. This is just a way to up your production quality. You already have great quality. The audio is great! Keep up.the good work. Sometime you hit it perfect! Just keep it in mind! I came back into yigioh a year after this and couldn't believe music mind was a card lol.

[@shidfard4563]

Love these ygo retrospective documentary style videos and this channel does them better than pretty much everyone else

[@jkattack2640]

"Oh my deck is broken now" is sucha funny quote

[@juanaugustolopez8747]

Jeff is the only player allowed to play stun. Everyone else is as an a**hole

[@philipbarnhart4394]

I can confirm that since I played the mystic mine burn deck and am indeed an asshole

[@eavyeavy2864]

The double standard

[@eavyeavy2864]

Jeff would do Palestina babies and you would still simp him

[@MrTungson]

​@@eavyeavy2864 more like the only exception

[@samuelheddle]

i never have a problem with people playing stun decks in competitive settings. people who do it in fun settings (like MD) have issues. who fires up a game where you can just build whatever you want for practically free and goes "Im gonna play Inspector Boarder Beatdown"

[@TheMaz878]

I remember the day I saw Mystic Mine revealed. It wasnt even given an official reveal, it was with the other pack filler cards we dont learn about until the OCG starts opening. I was speechless when I read it asking myself why konami would print such a thing

[@JackgarPrime]

I'm not even a YGO player, I'm a Magic player, but even for me, the first time i ever saw this card i could tell this was absurd. Like "how could they let this go to print" sort of absurd.

[@gheredin4074]

@@JackgarPrime yu gi oh players when they can't just vomit out monsters and win

[@youtube-kit9450]

Yeah, it literally reads like some angry yugiboomer's custom card because monster effect = bad.

[@Mattadork]

@@youtube-kit9450 considering literally the entire game is in an unhealthy state due to monster effects being so abused, getting rid of the one deck able to put them in their place is kind of stupid... especially when it never dominated the meta

[@Mattadork]

for how much people hate on mystic mine... it's funny how they act like it was a tier 0 deck or some shit... :p i always find it funny how mystic mine out of all cards in the game, is the card that got by far the most hate... "the opponent can't activate monster effects or attack". "oh my god broken... i was gonna setup a full board of negates alongside 2 hand traps... it was gonna be so sick" - some unfortunate combo player

[@bl00by_]

You forgot the time in which joshua schmidt made the tech with the Cop from the Underworld link-2 to protect mystic mine. Making it even harder to out.

[@bakarogers7146]

How does 37 minutes of fully researched edited documentary content with narration, interviews and footage only have 7k subs?

[@PhyYuGiOh]

I'm new here

[@Vengetuen_Wraith]

I don't play yigioh but what i gather is that this is basically your equivalent of a stax mill deck in magic. the salt is understandable

[@JADGERBOMBS]

If anything it's just modern swords of revealing light. If it had a turn timer before it nuked itself it would have been fine.

[@erhiueQWEF]

I love how you gave Jeff Leonard the alpha chad music.

[@halodragonmaster]

I would like to blame Round 12 of YCS Dortmund. Such an interesting and astonishing match full of such high level play that would have you on the edge of your seat waiting to see the next player's movement and execution on how to overcome such a powerful and interesting challenge that this card proposed.

[@PhyYuGiOh]

I laughed

[@chimuoma390]

@@PhyYuGiOh Mystic Mine Is The Folder Back Of Yu-Gi-Oh!Have You Played Mega Man Battle Network 3 Blue?!There Is A Reason They Nerfed It In The Legacy Collection,To Only Work Once And Not Bring Itself Back In PvP!Most BROKEN CARD IN BATTLE NETWORK AND STAR FORCE!!!!!!!!

[@grihaspoormachine]

Its like that ocg final that finally made konami kill stormwinds

[@kosmick4940]

The competitive side of yugioh deserved mystic mine. Jeff knew this.

[@hatefulgaming1800]

Mf acting like it’s the player’s fault for using the cards Konami printed.

[@fabulous_finn7810]

As a last point of mine coming from an exclusive MtG standpoint, I know our games are VERY different. That said... Mystic Mine remind me of Red Prison or Lantern Control, both are widely hated or loved depending on who you ask. There is nothing quite like looking your opponent in the eye and telling them they cannot play the game, especially when they have blown hundreds or thousands of dollars to play a big meta list, only to lose to a deck that costs a fraction of the price that is equipped to just... prevent their pricey cards from doing anything. Its truly a heroic thing to do, keeps people honest, as at least in Magic, the way you beat these decks is usually through understanding and using cheap sideboard options that arent always super common to the metagame. Anyways, just a magic players outside perspective on a card that seems like something we have had in magic for literal decades (see ensaring bridge, blood moon, and counterbalance+sensei's divining top). Now with it gone, the fee other MtG players i almsot convinced to start playing YgO with me now also have noninterest in the game lol

[@wubilicious4158]

Bro fuck yeah, I love me some Red/Blue Control/Burn! It's actually amusing to me how much this card resembles some type of powercrept White card though, considering it acts like a permanent unlike most "negate" type cards in MTG. Seeing effect damage referred to as "cheesy" in the beginning of this video was sad to me.

[@mantizshrimp]

moat or solitary confinement remind me a lot of mystic mine

[@Zef98]

That Jeff edit 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

[@babysinclairfan]

Mystic mine might have been a problem, but at least some good came of it. We got memes and the extremely wholesome Jeff Leonard. Everyone loves that guy. Glad the card was banned, but it's always good to stay positive

[@aaancom]

For some reason yugioh players hate deck diversity. If your deck isn't one of the countless variation of aggro control (set up a large board with multiple counters) then yugioh players hate it.

[@Osindileyo]

True. Mine plays exactly like those decks they love. One person does something, the opponent can’t do a thing. Banning mine hasn’t solved anything

[@aaancom]

@@Osindileyo In other card games like magic, you see much more deck diversity. Yugioh players hate any deck that isn't centered around one or two card combos that end with a large board backed up by multiple counters. There's more to card games than just that.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

Yugioh has the same diversity as other games though. There are aggro decks, control decks, midrange decks and dedicated combo decks. It is a very fast paced and consistent game though, but mine as an extremely consistent 1 card wincon was too much.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

Mine was just this functionally at the end of the day. Diversity would be if the deck played on a line such as runik does where you have a bigger focus around resource management and slowing your opponent

[@lucasvettorato7087]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 there's just two type of decks in modern yugioh, going first, and going second, going first will set a board of negates/spot removals/ floodgates, and try to stop the opponent, stun/combo is just the same strategy, stop your opponent to play, if you are using a spell/trap or 5 monsters for that, dont really matter, and going second decks will try to run a lot of board breakers and try to ftk, like tenpai. But there are just one real archetype nowadays, and its COMBO. The definitions of aggro, midrange and control, just dont fit with yugioh anymore.

[@V-max97]

Yugioh used to be a game of strategy and building your forces during the course of a Duel. Now it’s a lottery of who drew the best hand.

[@easiestcc6451]

Skill issue

[@IIIIAmSHODAN]

@@easiestcc6451 anime avatar, probably a troon, opinion discarded

[@easiestcc6451]

@@IIIIAmSHODAN last time I saw someone this desperate for attention, I had a reddit account. You sure you didn't mistake youtube for reddit?

[@BrianSavoie-qw6iq]

You wanted rage bait yugicuck, eat it

[@ethansmith1991]

it mid 2022 every single person at my 40 person locals played 2 mines (and a terraforming if they had other field spells in their deck). it was a miserable time and im happy its finally gone

[@Shpeedle]

In memorium lies the miner inconvenience to all Yu-Gi-Oh tournaments

[@Neopolitan420]

The fact that the guy running Mystic Mine in the clip at 6:40 has that specific shirt on is hilarious.

[@InsolentCrow]

Still to this day incredible... HOW ABSOLUTELY CORRECT THAT TWEET IS!!! Bunch a losers running around with no spell/trap removal and whining about how their trashpile decks were getting beat by one field spell!

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

Sure, tell everybody your secret consistent and generic spell/trap removal that's not on monsters. Or are you also one of those casual players thinking you only need a playset of mst in your deck to beat mine?

[@Narium413]

What’s hilarious is that when the card was first revealed people thought it was bad and wouldn’t be played.

[@golemqueen1988]

I think partially that these sorts of control decks need to exist to change thr meta. Taking away mainboard space from decks that otherwise dont play s/t destruction. Making them less all in on their own gameplan. I understand Mine was a toxic card, but im coping a little since most decks get away with phoenix in ed and maybe 3 s/t removal in the side.

[@randomprotag9329]

stun is not needed to force S/T removal. control is releasing a good backrow deck at low rarity + SD means its more important as a common deck is S/T based.

[@wunderkind2396]

Babe wake up, new Phy Vid dropped

[@SubjectDelta20]

Dude, the way the announcers saying "Ohhhhhh" at the EXACT same time was funny AF,lol. 15:41

[@rozadodelacolina]

Any deck that lets you play with meme unplayable cards in your extra deck is a winner in my book

[@e-tan3911]

You aren't really "playing" with the cards. They are just there off to the side and occasionally banished face down. You might as well just put them in your binder, that way people might actually SEE your cards.

[@rozadodelacolina]

@@e-tan3911 You may not play them, but you are playing with them in your deck, and that's good enough for me. I want the meme cards in my deck, not in my binder :P

[@doingmybest7802]

this documentary talking heads style video is incredibly compelling and interesting to watch, thank you for this video!

[@zdelrod829]

Mystic Mine is nothing compared to Kashtira. I have been completely locked out of all of my zones, and it is *not* fun.

[@Viper017]

But Mystic Mine can stop Kashtira from doing that

[@lordofthered1257]

Mystic Mine is fair because its not fair. Yugioh stopped being fair a decade ago. Appolusa is not fair. Being able to negate four cards in one turn isn't fair but combo is how konami wants us to play. Konami wants is to just negate everything our opponent does. Mystic Mine and its actually fair little brother Skill Drain is just combo but less bs to get there.

[@jamsmadison3495]

god that jeff leonard edit went hard

[@paganofthenorth448]

4:16 Bro just described every blue MTG deck ever. I still remember when someone played a miracle deck against me for the lols, taught me a lot about how tcgs are more than just attack and defense stats.

[@nharviala]

I feel Mine would have been vastly more fair and tolerable of a card if it only stopped effects. Still an amazing floodgate, but this way the game actually progresses, like under Skill Drain!

[@Shenmoki]

This was so excellent! You know, we're really blessed to have some of the content creators we have in YuGiOh, and i'm so glad you were able to include some of them here. YuGiOh, even though it's nothing like what our child selves know of it, is extremely interesting and compelling! Videos like this about certain cards and formats are more than justified and seeing one put together in such a watchable and enjoyable way is pure bliss.

[@JswahSwitch]

Modern Yu-Gi-oh players deserve to be punished RIP Mystic Mine

[@Nick1921945]

It was no surprise how strong mystic mine was. Its value was soo clear, especially in older decks that sought drawing cards, like exodia. I liked it in my cubics.

[@bobjohnson113]

Not a ygo player at all. I was scrolling through and saw Jeff Leonard in the thumbnail and was like "hey that guys familiar." Had no idea when I was playing mtg at my local store, couple tables over, a highly competitive ygo player was sitting. I just assumed he was just some dad trying to hang out with his kids.

[@oem4444]

i will advocate for any meta that makes trap cards relevant again, no matter how toxic people think it is. yu-gi-ohs most defining mechanic that set it apart from other card games (imo) was that you could lay a trap and then react to your opponents actions instead of sitting there and just waiting for your opponent to finally end his 5 hour set-up round. now you have hand traps. you have to first LAY a trap, before it activates, the term hand trap doesnt even make sense. now yu-gi-oh turned into the exact thing that i didnt like about other card games. you just wait for your opponent to end his turn. and i would argue that hand traps and the general speed of the game is much more toxic than cards like this. it stops monster cards from being better at being spell- and trap cards than spell- and trap cards. this is so messed up when you think about it. 37 monster cards and only 3 spell cards to only allow monster effects. wtf?

[@Xray1281]

Mystic mine made players play the game like old Yu-Gi-Oh! And they couldn’t spawn half their deck in one turn. That’s why I loved it. New Yu-Gi-Oh! Sucks imo. The game used to be about building up to your biggest guy over the duel now it’s just summon everything at once so people say it’s faster but it feels longer because you have to wait five minutes for someone to finish a turn.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

Mine has nothing to do with old yugioh. Back then Swords of Revealing Lights was limited to one, and mine is swords on extreme.

[@andrejv.2834]

Only casual yugioh was about building up to your big boss monster Competitive was the same as now, just a lot slower, get card advantage (pog, graceful charity, sangan, witch etc) while preventing your opponent from doing so (bottomless, torrential, solemn, hand destruction etc)

[@mr.orange2192]

Mystic mine literally stops you from attacking, how is that anything like old Yugioh when you just summon the biggest guy possible and attack?

[@riversan90]

First video I've seen by you, man. Instant sub. Quality stuff.

[@Maskedbrawler]

I see mystic mine or any stun deck for that matter as a logical response to solitaire decks that don't let you play unless you block their start combo or have more outs than an opponent can possibly have negates Some just don't have the money to squander on pieces of cardboard and a logical conclusion is playing mystic mine as a budget option to somewhat stand a chance in a competitive environment instead of their fun tier 5 deck that maybe wins once on 11 rounds

[@granmastersword]

it is an understandable point, especially on the TCG side, where Konami of America just like to make people spend a lot of money on cards they know would be sought after and therefore short printed to create artificial scarcity. Compare that with the OCG side, where Konami of Japan aren't that cruelly greedy and follow a printing standard that allowed Asian players to have better chances to get the sought after cards, via printing less filler on the sets, and printing those cards in different rarities so it wouldn't just be Ultra and Secret.

[@theplungineer]

the best part of this video for me was learning that JojoASMR plays yugioh.

[@jpickens189]

Yu-Gi-Oh community reacts to having to worry about a different card type.

[@KTSpeedruns]

I play skill drain decks usually if I can because i love the back and forth when monster effects cant be spammed to win in 2-3 turns. I also love to see players try to find alternate ways to navigate their own deck and see what they can do. I didnt win much since skill drain decks were not meta defining. However, i can imagine if the alternate methods of using your own deck become the only method and becomes the meta, that has to suck. Glad i wasnt in the scene for 2022.

[@garrettw5143]

I don't follow Yu-Gi-Oh at all, was still accessible. I enjoyed the video good job

[@RBusnelli]

Wow! Incredible video as always, sir! Amazing! It was exciting to remember all those formats ago and the solutions we had to come up with to play with or against mine.

[@nathaniel_pardue]

"Oh no, I can't swarm the field turn 1 and win turn 2 with direct attacks and spam multiple abilities" The horror....

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

A single card that just makes your opponent unable to play yugioh at all is definitely the solution to that.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

Mine literally doesn't let you attack with anything or use any effects at all. You're creating the same board states as if you made 3 mat apo, savage and barrone. Just in Less steps

[@DraphEnjoyer]

Every local card shop in my area wouldn't even accept Mystic Mine as a trade in, even at its peak. They refused to buy or even sell it.

[@ChaosSwissroIl]

Literally just run MST. Accept the 0.008% lower consistency of a 41 card deck and run backrow removal. I have two cards that remove backrow in my entire deck. I don't complain about it when it costs me matches; it's a deliberate decision I made as part of risk vs reward. The anti-mine side are just overindulged combo players; they have zero problem with 25 minute OTK's, but lose their minds over having to actually think about deck composition, risk vs reward, and Turn 4 instead of mindlessly netdecking.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

And yet another inexperienced player thinking mst helps against mine or players weren't running backrow removal. Tell me, without searching and only 2 mst in your deck, how do you plan on getting the required 4 backrow removals by turn 5?

[@ChaosSwissroIl]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Tell me, without being a combo cringelord, how do you expect me to get past the 6 summon negates and 12 omni negates of the weakest endboards?

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

@@ChaosSwissroIl why? This is about Mystic Mine, not about combo decks. Just because combo decks are annoying that doesn't make mine less disgusting. Negates can at least be baited if you don't topdeck dark ruler no more or forbidden chalice. So yes, mine is even MORE unfun than combo decks.

[@ChaosSwissroIl]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Just like how combo players don't want to care about risk vs reward in order to counter mine, I don't want to be a combo player to counter combo players.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

​@@ChaosSwissroIlthis still has nothing to do with risk and reward, and you still didn't come up with an actually consistent and generic way to deal with mine. Gotta love it when inexperienced players try to explain the game but then fall flat because they don't actually understand it.

[@YarnLalms711]

I got into competitive about the time in person events came back. I played 3 of the Branded Structure and a Dogmatika package when I got into competitive from that. I got to see the modern Mystic Mine debacle live without having to face it.

[@cubzrulz]

It’s crazy because this card has so many damn outs and yet people were unable to do so because everyone got very reliant on the monsters doing everything.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

It has no consistent outs while being very consistent itself. That's what people often fail to understand when they unironically believe that having mst in your deck helps against mine. Also attacking with monsters has been the main way of winning since the very start. Even sword of revealing lights was limited for a long time.

[@Fencer_Nowa]

The thing is mine has way more ways to activate it or search from deck. Spell removal even at the start of the game had very little ways to find it thru searching. There's a reason even in early yugioh alot of stun tools got limited because there's more of them than there is backrow removal. Plus attacking has been the main win con since LOB.

[@chrismiller3548]

My favorite mystic mine moment was going undefeated at my locals with mystic mine exodia and resolving exodia in the final match

[@willasrock1]

Mystic Mine is based. Fuck them "draw half of your deck to setup 3 omni-negates, 1 tower and whatever else you need to FTK" decks.

[@malighos]

I agree

[@easiestcc6451]

Skill issue

[@Leonardo-ms2nk]

I was mad the whole time I watched this video as I kept getting overwhelmed by old memories of how much I hated this card

[@MRTCGPR]

I’m the one who milled out the @Ignister player 😂 Apologized after the game for winning in that manner

[@PhyYuGiOh]

ahhahahahaha it's all good, most people should realize that its the card not the player 🤣

[@MRTCGPR]

@@PhyYuGiOhyeah but u still feel dirty inside (and outside) 😂 Good riddance

[@Atzros]

based yugiboomer actually winning via Final Countdown + mystic mine what a fucking giga-chad giga-dad YOU WANNA PLAY YER CARD GAMES, SON? HEH, NOPE *mystic mine*

[@r1nsync]

Mystic mine was based.

[@ericandruszko7563]

I used to work at a card shop for a few years, and I lost count of how many copies of Mystic Mine I sold to our obscene amount of Yugioh player regulars. What a wild ride its history is.

[@PP-STORM]

"Effect damage is a cheesy way to win" is SUCH a Yugioh Player statement. Lmao Other card games aren't weird about burn decks the way you guys are.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

Really? Because I don't see mtg players ever happy about storm based burn decks.

[@PP-STORM]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Genuinely- What is the difference between your average burn strategy that wins around turn 3-4 and a Storm strategy which waits until turn 3-4 to do the exact same thing, just all at once? I fail to see any REAL functional difference. One is just a standard archetype deck while the other is hated for what I ASSUME is just the perception of the Storm player "doing nothing" until you suddenly die. They both burn you until your life is 0. They both attempt to interact as little as possible and kill you. So why is one considered "cheesy" and the other not? Maybe I was spoiled by a LGS back in the day where the people there were just there to play their shit. We didn't really have that attitude among players where I came from. With Yugioh these days it seems even WORSE when it comes to the "fuck win conditions that aren't punching the other guy with summons" sentiment. If you manage to be successful with something that ISN'T that, you seem to get shit for it. Hell, people can't even get away with playing TRAP decks in these games without getting looks now. It's wild. Lmao

[@Fencer_Nowa]

Because burn decks just are stun decks which are the horseshoe theory of anti combo when they do the same exact idea of non games if outed but also non games if they go off fully.

[@nicolaistuhlmuller8718]

​@@PP-STORM but that's literally what I said: storm is just the same as burn, and it's widely disliked, so hating these strategies is not a yugioh thing in general.

[@PP-STORM]

@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I played naya/boros burn in modern for years, no one hated me. Maybe I was just lucky, idk.

[@NightmareSnake]

I love Mystic Mine, because for years my favorite cards to use were Raging Flame Sprite and Solar Flare Dragon, and Mine let me use them properly :)

[@yurei3714]

When you win by boring people to death

[@IIIIAmSHODAN]

which is what the average combo deck is. I understand anime avatars enjoy watching their opponent jerk off for 10 minutes playing solitaire though.

[@user-cm4rv5ko3j]

I think that this is supposed to show how bad the time with mystic mine was but in comparisson to what we have had in the last 2 years this report on toss format where altergeist/ trickstar had to get hit on the banlist just makes me sad what the game has become 😕😂

[@kylethenile]

Do you have the music tracks listed anywhere? That song at around the 13:10 mark is awesome and I was curious of the title.

[@rivzxxx3490]

Feels like a summoning salt video

[@EmilyChuu]

I was a mystic mine player. I won just about every tourney i played solely because I enjoyed how angry people would get with their 500 dollar decks. I miss mystic mine. I stopped playing in 2023 and just came back to play again finding out it was banned. It def needed to be banned but now i am mad i cant make sweats rage

[@1414TTT]

Jeff is representing for all the dads, hell yeah

[@Bee-wk7hw]

I was a mystic mine player and i will continue to play strategies to slow the game down

[@Mathtron5000]

I really want a whole video on Jeff Leonard now, or at least his Exodia deck that did well at YCS Indy

[@lilbigbozo]

I remember when some Yugi tubers first talked about Mystic Mine right before it's release back in 2019 and I thought ehhh they'll just MST(what i call most back row removal) it. Boy was I wrong, never expected MM to warp the meta game.

[@luigifan4585]

and it's all because one guy wanted to make it a floodgate wincon as much as possible

[@spiritwildfiregaming1975]

@@luigifan4585 Honestly I admire people who go against the wave and do everything withing their power to make the thing they want to use work. These people know what they want.

[@Kylereeves13]

Thanks for the video. That card sounds absolutely terrifying. Even more than Kashtira Ariseheart

[@njohn043]

You didn’t put in the clip of Coder ripping up his mines on stream :(

[@MrNaruto7860]

What an amazing video. The interviews were really well done.