There WAS a special train service that carried corpses, and ran from London Waterloo to a "Necropolis" ("City of the Dead") at Brookwood in Surrey. It opened in 1854 and operated until 1941. The Necropolis was built to deal with the growing problem of London's overflowing cemetries, and was the brainchild of Sir Richard Broun and Richard Sprye. Trains used the main London & South Western Railway line out of Waterloo, and were classified in a similar manner to normal trains. Trains carrying the coffins would travel at night, with the mourners travelling during the day. There were even separate chapels at the Brookwood end of the line for Catholic, Anglican and Non-Conformist groups.
@geicogecko35575 жыл бұрын
Jeez
@geicogecko35575 жыл бұрын
Dat dark
@dawnsechevich64775 жыл бұрын
This must have took long
@AllThingsTransport.5 жыл бұрын
And apparently in WII trains used to use the tube for transporting dead body’s and London Waterloo is apparently haunted because there’s a old hospital under it and it’s still there
@pastapins31494 жыл бұрын
imagine being a worker that had to drive those trains...
@inactiveaccount68845 жыл бұрын
Here's another scary one: the train that's delayed when school starts in 3 minutes.
@ginaavalenzuela62904 жыл бұрын
Scariest thing I've ever heard-
@el_cucino4 жыл бұрын
*PAIN*
@Randomuploadschedule3 жыл бұрын
And THOMAS THE DANK ENGINE BOI,he passes everytime because he is so fast
@lavanyachella65153 жыл бұрын
Much scarier in Japan...
@Aquabongaming1232 жыл бұрын
Hel naw man
@cadenjackson56595 жыл бұрын
*It was time for Thomas to leave. He had seen everything.*
@inactiveaccount68845 жыл бұрын
*300MPH train crash sounds in the distance*
@sambetts79584 жыл бұрын
😂🤣
@sftproductions48654 жыл бұрын
Sad:(
@SpeedyFight17384 жыл бұрын
Crystal Caden no Thomas still needs to be scrapped and see all his friends in the color of the rainbow then he's seen everything
@Sodaboy04 жыл бұрын
Bro what 😂
@NoN-ji5wd6 жыл бұрын
I don't know if number 8 is scary I'd thank the ghost.
@skaterfox10825 жыл бұрын
I'd thank them to
@maeabides52125 жыл бұрын
I wpuld thank them very much
@inactiveaccount68845 жыл бұрын
444 Why not
@lukaschkroblox90444 жыл бұрын
88888888 is from Stanley parable
@ARayOfShadow4 жыл бұрын
THATS my luck number
@sceu255 жыл бұрын
I love Urban Legends and I'm a railfan.
@expiredmayoteeth56154 жыл бұрын
HELLLLLLLLL~~~~ NA!
@expiredmayoteeth56154 жыл бұрын
@Reed Hamilton nope
@swagboyspeedrunner_mario89963 жыл бұрын
Same
@swagboyspeedrunner_mario89963 жыл бұрын
And i am a thomas fan
@sceu253 жыл бұрын
@@swagboyspeedrunner_mario8996 ok
@theoriginalmissantarctica6 жыл бұрын
Wait . . . So Kings Cross is haunted. Harry Potter went to a sort of ghostly King's Cross after he died in book 7. *I see the connection*
@TankEngine756 жыл бұрын
Miss Antarctica She Means Kings Cross St Pancras London Under Ground Station Not The Station Where Harry Potter Goes
@darthcreaper81736 жыл бұрын
DAM IT WHY YOU SPOILIN
@2joints46 жыл бұрын
Why u keep following me?🤔🤔
@tjmfarming95846 жыл бұрын
St pancreas not Kings cross totally different terminal the difference between the two is one serves Harry Potter the other doesn't one serves the line to Scotland the other to France
@kashifbasheer6 жыл бұрын
W
@marisoldelossantos55186 жыл бұрын
Here's a scary train... The train to highschool!
@sikitty87396 жыл бұрын
FlutterKitty TheRobotHorse AAAAAHHH
@marisoldelossantos55186 жыл бұрын
SI Kitty IKR ITS SOO SPOOPY
@3.2187_Kilometres6 жыл бұрын
FlutterKitty TheRobotHorse is there even a train to go to school. Usually it is a bus and school is great it allows us to get jobs and money so we are not homeless
@marisoldelossantos55186 жыл бұрын
Myles Williams If your school is farway Most people take a bus THEN a train
@3.2187_Kilometres6 жыл бұрын
FlutterKitty TheRobotHorse ok then but why do you hate school so much. I personally love school.
@pineforest14426 жыл бұрын
2:56 yay nice ghosts who just want to help 🙂 Thanks kids.
@user-ei8zz3kz9o6 жыл бұрын
Erin McKeown Yay!
@joekock96296 жыл бұрын
Yaya
@joekock96296 жыл бұрын
Yay
@confus.d6 жыл бұрын
YAY!!!!
@gllamy93046 жыл бұрын
Nice kids
@kw1ky9714 жыл бұрын
My brain in the day: urban legends aren't real My brain at night: urban legends are true
@StickiestOfCheese6 жыл бұрын
"Welcome back to the most amazing channel on the internet" Me:Oh really now? **pewdiepie joins the chat**
@inactiveaccount68845 жыл бұрын
*t-series left the chat*
@harithaps44804 жыл бұрын
*Jesus left the chat* This is creepy vid
@traceybynum57664 жыл бұрын
hahaha sssniperwolf would agree
@aito71443 жыл бұрын
@@traceybynum5766 Trueee
@damian95286 жыл бұрын
make top 10 ocean urban legends
@daniellundvall40716 жыл бұрын
Damian 95 best idea of urban legend 2018
@user-ei8zz3kz9o6 жыл бұрын
Yes
@quackitymybeloved18686 жыл бұрын
That's scary, I have Thalassophobia lol
@quackitymybeloved18686 жыл бұрын
Locker
@supertrain12366 жыл бұрын
The locker of Davy Jones.
@boxcarwillies16036 жыл бұрын
I've actually heard about a haunted tank engine. It's what's called a "56xx" tank engine, built for the Great Western Railway. It's uncertain why the engine is haunted, but it's said whenever it's put in steam and left unattended by crew members, it will run over people that stray too close to it. One such person was the manager of the company that owns this particular tank engine. He managed to survive with just barely being hit by the engine, but since then it's been stowed away in a museum.
@TankEngine756 жыл бұрын
Boxcarwillie S160 I Know That Story Im A GWR 57XX
@kellymoser15596 жыл бұрын
Wow nive story
@kellymoser15596 жыл бұрын
I meen nice story
@thehaloscrolls3916 жыл бұрын
Hmm... Timothy?
@terrier_productions6 жыл бұрын
Boxcarwillie S160 duck is a murderer!
@kadenrobinson70676 жыл бұрын
like trains? I Love Trains!
@VictorianRailHeritage6 жыл бұрын
Kaden Robinson me too
@foxybingo96176 жыл бұрын
Love trains as well
@amadotapia70106 жыл бұрын
Hahaha nice
@matthewhanlan63256 жыл бұрын
I love trains to
@aestheticcruise88076 жыл бұрын
Me too!!
@therealvines5405 жыл бұрын
Me: I like trains 2 seconds later- train hits me*
@janabaelloo4 жыл бұрын
Bro why?
@EpicWolfy984 жыл бұрын
@@janabaelloo Ever heard of asdfmovie? That's why. It's a reference to that
@janabaelloo4 жыл бұрын
@@EpicWolfy98 That was my sister who commented that she doesnt know alot
@alexwaterfield29845 жыл бұрын
none: me after rebbeca saying tunnel: ONCE A ENGINE ATACHHED TO A TRAIN WAS AFRAID OF A FEW DROPS OF RAIN
@placeholderblankspace4 жыл бұрын
Thomas and friends really made memories
@hassanfcv12676 жыл бұрын
Please do top 10 scary Egyptian urban legends
@xenxav49775 жыл бұрын
Legends never die~ They get stuck in your head and you can't sleep at night 😒
@inactiveaccount68845 жыл бұрын
I watch this cuz I'm too paranoid to watch Japanese urban legends, who are the worst of them all.
@goobles643 жыл бұрын
Legends are dead people
@ismuzakku6 жыл бұрын
I love the flying Scotsman
@inactiveaccount68845 жыл бұрын
I love the flying Dutchman
@mrtony99564 жыл бұрын
I love the flying Irishman
@tescotrain4 жыл бұрын
I love the A4 Union of South Africa
@jonlatham53014 жыл бұрын
Been in the cab of it and blew the whistle due to working on a heritage site for locomotives to be restored and I'm 13 btw
@crunchybro1234 жыл бұрын
I like the thing
@yaggerdangg6 жыл бұрын
You forgot... *Thomas The Tank Engine*
@AverageCytrius6 жыл бұрын
They sure did
@mariafernandaospina27846 жыл бұрын
Where’s Timothy the ghost engine
@christinaabdulfayzov86266 жыл бұрын
What about james,Percy,gordon and more?!?!
@yaggerdangg6 жыл бұрын
christina abdulfayzov Good point...
@blackswamp41596 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY
@someoneunknown65535 жыл бұрын
The scariest train? The train of thought.
@janabaelloo4 жыл бұрын
Scariest train i know: Thomas The Train
@itty_trainsss2393 жыл бұрын
The scariest train of the world is time traveling train
@Randomuploadschedule3 жыл бұрын
@@janabaelloo because he is too DANK
@legallypumpkin6 жыл бұрын
This popped up while I was building a Lego set... of the Hogwarts Express XD
@diabeticgrandma76 жыл бұрын
I was building assembly station! XD
@SanjayGodkiller5 жыл бұрын
What a coincidence
@cindypatsy4195 жыл бұрын
Oh wow
@skaterfox10825 жыл бұрын
I was building a train
@rensdaddy195 жыл бұрын
I biult the Hogwarts express lego train set too.
@nbnkenji82045 жыл бұрын
*Number 1: Thomas The Dank Engine*
@prodigy27775 жыл бұрын
Me: is this platform 9/3 quarters Conductor: red hair a handy dandy robe Train: you must be a Weasley
@mrwallacedudeyt11426 жыл бұрын
The ghost children are nice
@agentkrispy49716 жыл бұрын
"That 4-6-0 is unraisable" person who loves steam trains like me: Hold mah beer
@ex_t5 жыл бұрын
Mogul 4-6-0?
@anonymousthomasfan11112 жыл бұрын
@@ex_t a mogul is a 2-6-0. I think a 4-6-0 is called a 10 wheel
@corrinnegreen46086 жыл бұрын
Yass love this channel ❤❤❤❤😘😘😘😍😍😍
@thehamsterarmy23806 жыл бұрын
3:02 But wouldn't that technically also make the names adult names since children grow up anyways?!
@Nightmare_The_Wolf6 жыл бұрын
The Hamster Army! True
@matthewpiercy19646 жыл бұрын
Because they died as children they would stay as children. But good thought.
@thehamsterarmy23806 жыл бұрын
She said children, not the dead children though
@matthewpiercy19646 жыл бұрын
The Hamster Army! claiming they were named after the children who died
@thehamsterarmy23806 жыл бұрын
3:05 she says they are the names for children, but children grow up, She then says "could they be the bus crash victims" meaning because she thinks they are the names of children Rbecca was trying to link it to the victims.Like I said, the point of my comment was that children grow up, those were not the names of the children, but the owners' grandchildren
@erkki4286 жыл бұрын
Do Finnish Urban Legends.
@sarahgray4306 жыл бұрын
Yo! Minna rakkesat sinut!
@shawanderson57475 жыл бұрын
I love trains especially classic Thomas the tank engine and tugs
@p2ohmwrecker7825 жыл бұрын
2:49 so they're saving lives!
@rensdaddy195 жыл бұрын
Ya
@quyenquyennguyen10985 жыл бұрын
Yes
@Thomasboi014 жыл бұрын
Yes they don't want other people to experience the Faith they went through. Hopefully they will find peace and move on.
@ravenslight79346 жыл бұрын
I've always been interested in the creepier side of things. I really enjoy hearing and reading about the paranormal, it only goes to show just how much we don't know about the world around us. One of the things I've always wanted to see is a ghost train, I think that would be a really cool sight!
@wrayonnashaw97986 жыл бұрын
Scary ship legends
@TurtleNerite6 жыл бұрын
Top 10 Urban Legends about ghost ships?
@anigjhones26245 жыл бұрын
I wanna give justice back to the dead kids and the driver too I wanna thank them for helping people to be safe ☺😦
@dreamerlover90206 жыл бұрын
I like trains I have a whole model railway layout
@cardboardheadguy78144 жыл бұрын
Good For You 👍
@malinfogh12346 жыл бұрын
Awesome that you actually had 2 Swedish train urban legends on this list! Sweden is a very ghostly country 😊 I really hope you do more urban legends from Sweden.
@ben59766 жыл бұрын
I like trains 🚂
@sadboighost50956 жыл бұрын
ZEEOOOM... *Splat*
@Nightmare_The_Wolf6 жыл бұрын
Hacky Iz here *CHOO CHOO*
@Senju_6616 жыл бұрын
I love trains and I believe in urban legends
@rafzzzzzzz5 жыл бұрын
*This is moar effective than coffee*
@levigaming90085 жыл бұрын
Me: *See's a train Friend: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE Friend 2: I like Trains.
@srajfnly26 жыл бұрын
I LOVE TRAINZ ESPECIALLY STEAM LOCOMOTIVES
@aidenlopez9456 жыл бұрын
Lmao
@lucastrains42636 жыл бұрын
I like the flying scotsman
@royceorville26 жыл бұрын
Me Too
@blob72826 жыл бұрын
My favourite is the class 91
@aestheticcruise88076 жыл бұрын
Indian WDP4
@PipsKay6 жыл бұрын
me who was born, grew up and still here in San Antonio, grew up hearing of the train track children, you park near the tracks put powder on the back of you car..get in put your car in neutral, and your car will slowly go across the tracks by itself..when you get over the tracks, you get out and look on the back of your car where you put the powder on and you will see small wee hand prints
@emmareels9436 жыл бұрын
PipsKay yeah i heard ofit
@blacksann016 жыл бұрын
I've tried it when I was much younger, had no baby powder but my car was dirty, and there were small hands on the back of my car, made my friends uneasy, but we said a small prayer for the kids and thanked them for keeping anyone who crossed the tracks safe, haven't been back since that day, I was 17 then now I'm 34, still get goosebumps thinking about it
@PipsKay6 жыл бұрын
blacksann01 yea it's amazing isn't I haven't done it myself but have been hearing about it since I was very young and I'll be 62 in August
@emmareels9436 жыл бұрын
Why didnt thr bus driver let the kids of the bus
@Gray-uo7hc6 жыл бұрын
Turns out the tracks are actually on a downwards angle, it looks and feels like you’re being pushed but in reality it’s actually a downwards hill
@RazorMediaYT6 жыл бұрын
Do Jamaican Urban Legends
@teslamodels22835 жыл бұрын
Jamaica rulz
@prakhargupta87835 жыл бұрын
Best way to solve mystery... Investigate yourself.
@patchworkface5 жыл бұрын
Me when she mentions an urban legend where I live: Oh. Okay then!
@martinusvork11376 жыл бұрын
Ooh yeeeah! Another urben legends! I love these but it gives me the creeps whitch i like!
@Emma-ui9fu6 жыл бұрын
Martin Vork i love them too its like you want to turn it off but u cant because its addicting
@himanikumar35776 жыл бұрын
Urban, not urben
@shouto_todoroki_66636 жыл бұрын
54th and i like trains *gets hit by train * owww
@BEA-cn8jo6 жыл бұрын
Where is Danny??
@guileslm5 жыл бұрын
You Forgot... The Little Engine Who Could
@goingquackers775 жыл бұрын
The little engine that could what? Kill? Rape? We will never know what the little engine could do
@GeneralLeeStudios5 жыл бұрын
Rebecca I grew up around trains as my grandpa loved steam locomotives! I watched Shining Time Station and Thomas The Tank Engine and occasionally still do. We used to always go to a steam museum in LaPorte Indiana called Hesston and it was awesome. I occasionally go back to Hesston
@jamesfry89836 жыл бұрын
a few times in the past ive had people brush or push past me only to look back and see no one hence why i now always use the normal stairs at kings cross station
@a.j.93506 жыл бұрын
Please do urban legends from the Philippinies!!
@Bella-hr5bb6 жыл бұрын
A.J. oo na
@capie446 жыл бұрын
A.J. It was tried, but the Filipinos are known for "appropriating" other people's materials (there's a r3ason there are bars on their homes) and thatis what happened to the episode reel
@unicornlegendyt46566 жыл бұрын
Top 10 scary Chinese urban legends?
@FreddieHill-ftnh5 жыл бұрын
Some are true I had heard them and great video
@256NatLiz6 жыл бұрын
I love steam engines, too. Most all of these have rather interesting stories with them. Also, you look lovely in that dress.
@matthewhardin16006 жыл бұрын
I really like this Urban Legend series mainly because I love to learn things and because of scary things are fun to learn about cuz I can treat my friends though and it's very fun to creep them out
@babygherkin54786 жыл бұрын
Make top 10 most haunted houses
@nickcampbell65126 жыл бұрын
In pretty sure they have
@chrisjohnson-kz1qy6 жыл бұрын
Do a top ten ghost ship story's
@tracycarifa57405 жыл бұрын
I love trains.
@janebeckman34316 жыл бұрын
Fan of Lincoln ghost train legends here. Supposedly some places you can feel the whoosh of air as it passes by, and lights darken around the tracks while it does. But it's always totally silent. Great legends!
@scorpiusdrago216 жыл бұрын
I want to hear urban legends on hitch hiking
@namemenoah6 жыл бұрын
interesting
@hannahlowe7946 жыл бұрын
You should do this: Top 10 Landon "Is This Real Life Right Now?" Moments
@sarahgray4306 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see a Top 10 Sexy Urban legends....everyone does scary urban legends, why not do a naughty urban legends instead?
@itwillgetbetteripromiseitw35686 жыл бұрын
QUEEN
@gabby-ff2qp6 жыл бұрын
First of all this is a pg channel they are not doing this one
@bob14126 жыл бұрын
gabby Blye o
@macysalter70556 жыл бұрын
NO your life is not good😐😐😐😐
@tanker-Sauce6 жыл бұрын
Sarah Gray 🤮
@Hoveringpear6 жыл бұрын
Love your vids xxxx
@trainco16435 жыл бұрын
Do Top 10 Scary Thomas The Tank Engine Theories🚂
@lukaschkroblox90444 жыл бұрын
Trainco16 or portal 2 theory
@trainco16434 жыл бұрын
Lukaschk Roblox what’s that? I’ve never heard of that
@smg5-stitchproductions3124 жыл бұрын
U ended it up disaster
@yingmainaf75806 жыл бұрын
Scary train Thomas the tank engine
@Patchypepper6 жыл бұрын
Only that one Flippin episode Thomas and the children is scary the rest is just trying to make it look realistic as possible
@yingmainaf75806 жыл бұрын
Timi The tank Jesus Christ
@mos._tavren6 жыл бұрын
Ying main AF。 are you an actual ying main?? She's the BEST!!
@yingmainaf75806 жыл бұрын
Monkey D. Luffy yes i was plat 3 but wanted the gold ranked charm for chimera.
@ahnafsaraf88686 жыл бұрын
favela was haunted so they removed it
@Liverpoollassie6 жыл бұрын
Im the 30th comment Yass i dont know why i keep watching these urband legends they give me nighmares at night btw in watching this during the day
@thehamsterarmy23806 жыл бұрын
The Australian one seriously scared me, even though horror is my daily life and has been since I was 3.
@LibbyMia-rz8gk6 жыл бұрын
The Hamster Army! Don't worry it's all fake!!!!!
@Peqches6 жыл бұрын
Um...none of them are Australian? Number 10 is Chinese. Number 9 is Indian(I think?). Number 8 is American(I think?). Number 7 is Canadian(mostly). Number 6 is Swedish(I think). Number 5 is Swedish too?(I think). Number 4 is Canadian. Number 3 and 2 is Britain/United Kingdom/England. Number 1 is American...
@rianaroberts52656 жыл бұрын
The Hamster Army! Mnmmm,,mmhjjjh
@lovenotwar5986 жыл бұрын
Their was no Australian one
@ashleypope46216 жыл бұрын
What Australian one??
@catgamer1224 жыл бұрын
I LOVE TRAINS AND THOMAS AND FRIENDS!!!!
@bleablea77615 жыл бұрын
Thomas the train xD
@lukewolske33456 жыл бұрын
Top ten Jamaican urban legends
@LinksKat6 жыл бұрын
Love your dress, Rebecca.
@glasslinger6 жыл бұрын
I made it to 1.36 before the accent had me screaming!
@tescotrain4 жыл бұрын
"Disappearing train in china" Editor: Shows a British Rail Class 319
@LOBK_OFFICIAL5 ай бұрын
I’ve been looking for this video for 5 years!
@LynxInk-226 жыл бұрын
Make a top 10 weirdest music videos
@Sn33kyy6 жыл бұрын
This entire list reminds me of the haunted train episode of hey Arnold y'all should do a top 10 creepiest hey Arnold episodes if there are enough to make a list I know of 4 episodes that scared me one of them being "haunted train"
@CountvonStaffordofVirginia16076 жыл бұрын
Sarah Smith The one episode that had a legend about a bride who killed her groom and his mistress before committing suicide to me was the scariest. I don’t know how they managed to get away with that one.
@Nightwish-yc2xl6 жыл бұрын
The train in no 10 is from Russia not China other than that the best channel on KZbin
@blazeyamasaki6 жыл бұрын
Nightwish 65663 proof?
@Nightwish-yc2xl6 жыл бұрын
blaze yamasaki there is a video of it on here and in the background you can see a Moscow sign
@mos._tavren6 жыл бұрын
Nightwish 65663 nice observation
@iancorbett91155 жыл бұрын
I was at the abraham sighting at Thomas and friends day, I heard a whistle repeat back to the train I was on!!!
@michaelsimpson89775 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention the miners silver ghost 401
@trudat14986 жыл бұрын
Hallo Fabulous Miss Rebecca! Love the dress!
@melodiousnerd18935 жыл бұрын
My hometown in Wisconsin has a very similar train light thing to the St. Louis lights.
@atomizeo52236 жыл бұрын
wait cindy lu welp thats a grinch character ;-;
@evytjarks45325 жыл бұрын
I LOVE IT👍👍👍👍🤟🤟🤟🤟
@railstofails13965 жыл бұрын
ive heard of a few legends... one is of an experimental engine turned ghost when its designer/builder abandoned it in a tunnel and said tunnel collapsed crushing it. as for the questions. 1. yes i love the old steam engines 2. some legends i believe in 3. i do believe in ghosts and have genuinely had some experiences with them.
@sisi_skyes49916 жыл бұрын
Asdf:I like trains rooooom
@vysec-32436 жыл бұрын
what happened if ghost trains says ARE U SURE ABOUT DAT?! meme
@tweek67536 жыл бұрын
TOP 10 SCARY DOG URBAN LEGENDS
@rockclimbing38446 жыл бұрын
Great video only been on a couple trains in my life, they're fun, spooky & relaxing. Simple and smashing Rebecca
@LachlanKellett6 жыл бұрын
I love trains, big fan 😀
@starwarriorfox25655 жыл бұрын
Urban legends? Yes I believe them all..
@Zeennuh6 жыл бұрын
My aunt has went to San Antonio and she parked her car there and put baby powder and her cousins picked her up and the next morning they saw the hand prints on the bumper and car was off the track a bit. I always thought about how it couldn’t be real but I’m in the middle
@thestargateking6 жыл бұрын
Zena simply put it, it’s oil marks left behind on the card, just try it randomly at night
@jacktaylor-stoakes36366 жыл бұрын
Huh
@igorspolishproductions81075 жыл бұрын
*IGOR/*REBECCA: *do* BELIVE IN GHOSTS
@oscaredge96363 жыл бұрын
your the best rebeca
@MidwesternRailfan5 жыл бұрын
I like trains. Well, you said to let you know if I like trains in the beginning of the video, so I did.
@HeyItsIgnasio6 жыл бұрын
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@Fox_Stuffs5 жыл бұрын
I LOVE trains. I know a lot about trains me favorite train is the E2 Class Tank engine
@roberthill62165 жыл бұрын
Built by the London Brighton & South Coast Railway, in 1911 or 1913 at Brighton works?
@smg5-stitchproductions3124 жыл бұрын
That's Thomas
@kaiguthrie65966 жыл бұрын
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@jamiederrick64085 жыл бұрын
I love trains
@victoriacyunczyk5 жыл бұрын
I'm a huge railroad lady. I've seen plenty of signals randomly change, a ghost steam locomotive with a long express passenger train rolling through the Chicago suburbs, and I hear grade crossings and horns when neither are present.