The Good, the Bad, the Ugly: 200 Hours later

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The Honda CRF450 received minor frame and engine updates for 2023 and stayed the same for 2024. Last year we logged over 100 hours on our 2023 Honda CRF450 and another 100 hours on our 2023 Honda CRF450 Works Edition. This bike here has 30 hours on it, and we've learned a lot about this platform. In this video, MXA's Dennis Stapleton goes in-depth about the CRF450's strong points and weak points, highlighting the key points to keep an eye on and explaining the changes we made to our test bikes.
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[@kentr2424]

The video title should be The Good, the Bad, the Ugly - 100 hrs each on the CRF450 and CRF450WE. That way, there's no confusion. The video title makes the viewer think that MXA out 200 hrs on ONE bike, not 100 hrs each on two.

[@soulfulterrain3143]

A lot of good information in this video. Thanks to both of you for doing it.

[@motoxmatt]

Great review Dennis and Josh! Keep up the great work!

[@sakariputtonen2683]

Cheap oil, change often. Smart man.

[@Evo836]

Enjoyed that info. Dennis working it!

[@jondoe4667]

I have a 2015 crf250r with 401.9 hours on it. It had 19 hrs when I bought it. I keep fresh oil in the engine, and trans side, and clean the air filter every oil change. In that time I've had to shim the valves back into speck once. The bike still runs great, and starts easy hot or cold. The clutch is finally getting weak but to be fair I'm 220 lbs and I'm aggressive with the clutch. Obviously I wouldn't recommend going this long without a rebuild but at this point I'm kinda wanting to see how many hours I can get on it before it blows up. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Blackicetac]

Wow that's amazing. #RideRed

[@deanwaring6100]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge 😊

[@LilLefty27]

Loving these new video concepts on long term reviews🤙

[@44sammy4]

Dennis and josh great combo these dudes are sick

[@pir8esq]

When are you coming to Brushy Mtn track 1.5hr from Charlotte NC? Free place to crash for the wknd. East coast is the best coast! 🤘

[@jeremyrobinson4064]

KUDOS TO DENIS & THE MXA CREW , YOUR TESTING PROGRAM FAR EXCEEDS ANY OTHER MAGAZINE BY MILES - THESE ARE BEST TIPS , SET UPS & MODS TO KEEP MACHINES PERFORMING MUCH APPRECIATED ✅❤️💃

[@michellatour150]

Good job, very informative, more of these types of videos please. Too many 'bling / sponsored content' build videos on other dirt bike channels.

[@joel1111ist]

I saw right above the airbox a drilled hole is that beter?

[@williamcrotts7054]

You guys are the best, your bike reviews are the best. Perhaps you should help your sister publication on how to test bikes. I recently subscribed to both and love yours but I'm afraid DB is going the way of the dodo.

[@MahansRacing]

Would you let us know what is the brand of foot pegs you are using that is 5mm back please 🏁🏁

[@NickW90]

200 hour title is a bit misleading because it’s between two bikes. Also why did you guys get rid of the coated lowers?

[@NickW90]

How come you guys don’t use the twin air powerflow kit? I thought i seen a review you guys did on it

[@poof1907]

That was last years bikes. This one has 200 hours

[@NickW90]

@@poof1907read their description. This bike has 30 hours. Last years crf450r they put on 100hours. Their works edition also has 100 hours. Neither of the 3 has 200 hours on it

[@vwgtdturbo]

i ride 2014 crf 450 with over 300h, first clutch iride it only in deep sand and mud.

[@JS-nf1sn]

Great video. 10 hours on a clutch...who has that much time to work on their bike, not even talking about the $$. Honda has the best looking bike. Would definitely ride one of these.

[@lucadimartino483]

Non devi pedalare ma dare gas 😂

[@lanwickum]

Change the triple clamp and put a Hinson clutch in ours. We like power. GET ecu and 2021 throttle body and injector. ASV levers. Some suspension work. Very nice bike.

[@mikedemille]

Dennis, who makes some affordable -5 foot pegs for that bike? Thanks for the tips

[@mikedemille]

@motocrossaction who makes the offset pegs? Thanks

[@herbrachel3663]

That 13. Jesse Nelson. I can't help but think of him

[@Jb-mp1in]

Its crazy gow torgue specs, bolt material stainless or titanium change the feel of the bike

[@hoerenj0ng141]

I believe it's mostly a myth. As long as the part is property clamped and doesn't move, it doesn't really matter if it's steel pr whatever doing it

[@tactikoolcloud8788]

@@hoerenj0ng141I’ve speculated some of it is placebo. Like with the pivot bolt being 5% less torque. Make that change and don’t tell the rider I really question if they would notice.

[@hoerenj0ng141]

@@tactikoolcloud8788 Exactly, I wonder if one of these test riders has the balls to do a blind test and is able to tell if anything changed on the bike. From engineering point of view, clamping force of the bolt beyond a certain point really shouldn't affect flex in any way that can be noticed by a human. Especially for stuff like linkage bolts, where the entire force goes through bearings and spacers. Additionally, a bit of grease on the bolt has a massive change on clamping force at the same amount of torque, and the whole thing becomes a shit show to compare between bikes

[@Bodie2020]

Why lie in the description? We would watch the video no matter what. Click bait will hurt future views! Some of us have quit watching creators for click fishing.

[@metalofthedeath]

Rubber grip tape is better for the frame protection

[@lynnairulla1521]

Brother says it has 30 hours on it in the video.. what?

[@fen2453]

Cuz it has 30h on it.....

[@user-ps8pt6vp7q]

Fantastic vid can you do the same vids on the other brands please

[@The_Snowbike_Channel]

The clutch dilemma is a deal breaker for me. Not going to check my clutch that often. Checking valves on Austrian bikes is a 10 min job if you already have the tank off.

[@hoerenj0ng141]

Good video. I'm extremely skeptical that torque settings on bolts (apart from triple clamp ofcourse) can be noticed by any test rider. I would love somebody to do a blind test on that.

[@UnsungThermidor]

It's dependent on the person. Some people are able to tell a difference, others aren't. It depends on the part that's being torqued. Especially with pivot points. Whether it makes much of a difference is also dependent on the rider.

[@stepanrydval736]

One problem worth mentioning is the starter reduction gear! Big issue on current hondas!!!

[@chrishastings]

does he mean dropped the forks....???

[@Stinky_sack]

He's saying the power is smooth and easy to ride. This is literally the first time I've heard this about the Honda 450. Everyone says it's so fast and really hard to manage

[@Runk3lsmcdougal]

Right lol

[@Stinky_sack]

@Runk3lsmcdougal it's really unfortunate honestly. Lying about certain characteristics of these bikes is really not good. Most people aren't lucky enough to test ride a bike before you buy one. So we go to these test videos on KZbin to help us make our decisions on which brand to go with. These people need to be honest about these bikes

[@enzoandrade219]

I had a 2020 honda 450 and it was really strong and hard to ride. Of course, while it is the same engine, they have said that the engine has been detuned and its delivery has been smoothed. But still, compared to the other bikes... Edit: maybe they are doing it to promote the incoming 2025 honda

[@motocrossaction]

@jones0618 @Runk3lsmcdougal It's up to you to decide who to listen to! We have all the current 2024 450s to ride and test year-round. We always talk about the Honda's strength being its smooth engine and its weakness being the handling with a twitchy chassis (which can make it hard to manage). We write about this bike in our magazine/website articles and in our shootouts talking about the pros and cons of the CRF450. motocrossactionmag.com/mxa-race-test-2024-honda-crf450/

[@motocrossaction]

The engine has changed a lot since 2020! On the track the 2021-2022 engines were smoother than 2020, and in 2023 they made the intake longer and mellowed out the power even more for '23-'24. For context, the 2020 CRF450 made 59.74 horsepower with 35.9 ft-lbs of torque. The 2024 CRF450 56.66 horsepower with the same 35.9 ft-lbs of torque.

[@Pompomgrenade]

🐓🪽

[@OneSon744]

dumb air box, down in the dust and water.

[@motocrossaction]

They have a new airbox for 2025! We will test the 2025 CRF250 next week and the CRF450 in July

[@44sammy4]

@@motocrossaction Hanging out for that 2025 honda review

[@GertDABeer]

100 views in 5 minutes they fell off

[@natel7382]

Lol it takes 20 mins for HD to work and if I come to watch without HD I come back. Why do you even care tho? How does their view count affect your life?

[@georgewarshington1230]

the most autistic review i've ever heard of any thing ever. "make sure all your bolts are torqued to exact newton meter or else the feel is off" just get better. a top 3 rider will hop on a stock bike and smoke 100th in the world on a factory bike any day of the week cus they're just better.

[@othgmark1]

You really haven't spent much time around a top rider. They are even pickier. Jeff Emig hated titanium front axles and no matter how many times Kawasaki put one in his bike on a test day he noticed immediately. Mike Larocco put the lightest Honda front caliper on his Hondas for years. Dennis doesn't just work for the magazine he has been a paid development rider for an OEM. I have also had pro riders tell me they feel carbon skid plates affect the chassis less than aluminum.