Porsche 718 GT4 PDK: A superior transmission but how will that impact future collector value?

[@grahamziegler1463]

Great video thank you! As an owner of a manual GT4 I can recognize there are benefits to the lightning fast shifts of a pdk ( pdk still has long ratios) the GT4 still represents the undiluted driving machine with timeless ingredients that should not be changed. 1. Naturally aspirated flat 6 (with a battery for starting it only)... 2.Mid mounted position...3. Lightweight focused build Inc GT suspension and brakes....4. Manual transmission. One day we'll pray any car company would make something similar. #notbiased:)

[@damiangrybowski9852]

I have a 987.2S in manual, and I couldn't agree more. I wish I had PDK for performance, sometimes it's just better to be assisted with gearing when you approach redline and everything SCREAMS, being under many different forces and lateral accelerations, many times I either shift too early and sometimes bump into the rev-limiter, and had a scary missed shift or two! This is the same reason why manual is a thing of beauty - there is no *ucking around, but when you get it right it's like a union of time and space, absolutely thrilling and rewarding in a way that no PDK can give you.

[@leeraymer166]

A GT4 with a PDK, this is the only application that I would go for this transmission over the manual because of the long gearing in the 718. As always, Kumo always books the best colors for you to review. Gentian Blue Metallic is one of the best looking blues out there.

[@MotoManTV]

Sometimes he likes to screw with me . . . He's got me in a White car right now.

[@993mike]

I was thinking the same thing, but the disappointing fact is that gears 1-6 on the pdk are almost exactly the same as the manual, so you still can't escape the tall gearing error by Porsche either way which is a shame

[@MD-qp8gj]

have you driven a gt4?

[@sufficetosay]

Agree. Not sure about the gearing drama as it isn't apparent to me with the PDK. This flies through the gears.

[@tonyg.7990]

FYI in the PDK the torque changes from 309 LB FT to 319 LB FT.

[@jamesbindman9290]

Awesome video. As a 2018 718 owner, I agree the 718 is wonderful in all versions and in canyons or just running errands around town and the best Porsche driving car in terms of value. But I agree paying $300+ for Apple Car Play and $2000+ for NAV is debilitating when they are standard in a $55,000 Macan.

[@ian_987]

in the UK we get the nav and carplay as standard, but we also have the dreaded particulate filter. I would rather pay for nav and have a free-breathing exhaust...

[@joemundell9300]

Ferrari charges $4,000 for Apple Carplay while it's standard on a $16,000 Kia Rio. Yes, 1/4 of the cost of a new Kia.

[@RuohongZhao]

This PDK just completes this car. I just sold 2017 911 Targa 4s and seriously consider on buying the Sypder PDK one. I was fortunate enough to owned both 718s and 991.2s, I think the 718 models fit the definition of sport car. But I don’t think manual would be welcome on this gt4 model for it’s wrong gearing ratio.

[@snmthecloser]

1:56 who else felt like time froze when that still image came up. Mind melting.

[@MotoManTV]

:)

[@Scorpio1075]

GT4 / Spyder, GTS 4.0, M2 CS, what do you prefer all things considered?

[@verde629]

I would be too paranoid to daily drive this car but man, this is the perfect weekend car lol

[@sufficetosay]

The best thing about the PDK in this car and the Spyder (which I have) is DIALED IN. I have been in Many high end cars with dual clutches including Porsches and none were as fast and smooth. My GT3 RS PDK behaved almost the same but the GT3 RS rattled.... This 4.0 and PDK match up amazing.

[@The_Stick]

Thanks MotoMan, I appreciate the Porsche content. I found your channel several years ago when watching your 981 Boxster Spyder episode and an even older episode with Hurley Haywood and heel-toe downshifts. Keep up the great work!

[@MotoManTV]

Thanks, James and thanks for watching!

[@timmietz]

Mine should be here in June!! Gentian blue, gold rims, PDK, carbon ceramics... $130K without the track seats.

[@timmietz]

@UCVFHYB3K94I8Y2Y_jLN53JA checked with the dealer today. Delivery is scheduled for 6/20/2021. Final is locked since about a week ago. They took my money. It is definitely ordered LOL

[@z06pat]

What Gearge likes a PDK on a GT4? :) thanks for the mention, - Pat

[@marcnobel3938]

Great Car! Great Review! Great Video! - THX MotoMan!

[@theprepperrevelator]

Absolutely beautiful car! I would take it just like it is! I went to my local Porsche dealer looking for one and was told good luck, he even said good luck finding an available slot to order one. He said Porsche is struggling to build any cars much less GT cars. Rick

[@Powaup]

I like this video and how you covered depreciation which is super important with this car. Also like the shots of the car standing still!

[@MotoManTV]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@Greggory1987]

Thanks MotoMan! Excellent video. I am a Porsche guy for sure. However, the way they charge for things that should be standard, infuriates me! As, you sagely point out.....Apple Car Play and navigation are extra charges. This is really taking advantage of the consumer.

[@anitakern1216]

I just got that exact same car and the same color. Automatic. Its so awesome and omg what a fun ride!!! I'm in love with it. I also have a Caymen S they are totally different. Love my gt4 and the sound ong feels so good

[@alcorsi1968]

Hi Anita, you mentioned you have the automatic. When you were buying did you test the manual back to back with the automatic? I have been waiting for the automatic (PDK) to arrive at my local dealer. Enjoy the GT4! 😊

[@anitakern1216]

@@alcorsi1968 no I didn't test the manual. It was so hard to find the automatic. We only found 5 in the country. 4 on CA and mine was in Nashville. You will love it so much. It feels so good to drive. I also have a Caymen S and nothing like the gt 4.

[@alcorsi1968]

@@anitakern1216 Thank you for your reply. It’s interesting that you still have Cayman S. I wanted to get one of those just to get the boy racer out of me before spending a load of money on a new GT4. Thank again. Aldo

[@loosyinthesky]

@@alcorsi1968 good luck! 😭 I wanted to get it in PDK in chalk (had a custom spec sheet) but it was near impossible! After 3 months of waiting to see if it was even possible to place an order, I randomly went to my local Porsche dealer. There happened to be one GT4 in white (manual) with all the other specs I wanted. They said it was rare to have one just sitting around, not to mention there was only 1 available 911 on the entire lot. COVID really hit car manufacturers hard. I ended up taking it even if it wasn’t pdk or the color I wanted, but definitely no regrets!

[@alcorsi1968]

@@loosyinthesky Hi Lucy, thank you for your your comments. I suppose I will have to see what is available when I want to place the order. I don’t think I have the same problems had. Here in the UK 🇬🇧 I think I can custom build the GT4. I guess the values in America will be stronger then here. Do you have the the “ Club Sport” fitted? What wheels do you have? Very jealous of you 😂 Aldo

[@sselway100]

Sounds so much better than anything BMW makes.

[@marcinkopacz922]

I have for a month now (4000km) - 718 Spyder (so same as GT4 but withouth the roof) in manual (I could order pdk, but driving the stick has an oldschool charm). Before I bought it, I watched every video there is about it, and most said - the problem is long gearing. I really don't see it as a problem. The problem is exhaust of the car. If you had a good sound from 3 to 6k rpm and not from 5 to 8k rpm, you wouldn't have to rev it to 8k rpm in normal driving conditions (and that's why so many people changes exhaust after they receive the car). And in the case you are driving fast (let say on a track) that long second and third gear is all that you need, and that's good, less shifts makes you faster on the road. If not, Porsche next time should make manual transmission with third gear ending at 100km/h (62mph) - then everyone can make lot of changes and rev it in the speed limit all day, what a fun ;)

[@IceDree]

Excellent work like always, M.

[@anthh3255]

I think the problem with the manual is the gearing. Other reviewers have talked about the stupid talk gearing in the MT versions, so it’ll be interesting to see if it plays out like you say. The GT3 manual has supposedly excellent gearing because it’s a 911, which is why the MT is preferred in that application.

[@randomhawks3232]

GT3 or any GT car has tall gearing; you are pushing 70mph in 2nd gear across the suite... might be 5-7mph less. Not sure why the GT4/Spyder get all the focus on this. GT cars are built for the track, but being road legal presents the issue...but ask most owners and its a non issue.

[@joe718gt4]

@@randomhawks3232 I own a GT4 and gearing is not an issue

[@sanzserif]

This is insane to me. All GT cars AND EVEN the base 911 has extremely tall gears. No idea why all the focus is on the cayman.

[@joe718gt4]

​@@sanzserifFrancois Perrodo (Le Mans GTE AM champ) even said the taller gearing is an even bigger issue on the 991 GT3 than the GT4

[@sanzserif]

@@joe718gt4 Exactly

[@rayF4rio]

Porsche options method is crazy, but it must bring in a substantial profit for them.

[@kadedone]

"Superior" technically is correct. I could lift weights with a fork lift and that would be "superior" to trying to bench press with my arms. But that's missing the point of lifting weights. For me a pdk is missing the point of why I want to drive. But I do understand the benefits of the automatic. I really do. But for me personally it seems pointless. Nothing ill toward people who can deal with autos. Enjoy what you enjoy

[@rossdonison4999]

Excellent analogy. I feel exactly the same

[@Scorpio1075]

I drove a manual GTS 4.0, basically the same car, the loooong gearing IS a real issue! I'd be tempted to get the PDK simply because you never need to shift the manual so what's the purpose of having a manual if you never shift gears? Wish list gearing: 1 = 35, 2 = 65, 3 = 85, 4 = 105, 5 = 135, 6 = 175.

[@jlo6388]

If you want a faster GT4, then get the pdk. If you want to go slower (i.e., driver involvement) , then get a manual.

[@miamigt4922]

I own a manual 2020 GT4 and the snickety-snick shifting is an unbelievable joy. Driving the manual GT4 feels as if the manual transmission’s time in automotive history is ending with its finest version ever. I’d pay more for the manual, even today. The problem isn’t the PDK, its how rifle-bolt precise the shifting is on the manual that future generations will miss (and want).

[@nafnaf0]

The Porsche Cayman / Boxster GTS models don't depreciate much either, about 4% to 5% a year. I would expect the new GTS 4.0 models to be possibly even less than that.

[@PaulCuenin]

I know it isn't the journalist choice but a boxster gts 4.0 pdk seems pretty much perfect spec for this chassis.

[@BobbyDazzler888]

Not my choice either.

[@gouldnj]

So glad you finally got to drive the FAST one!

[@tinaluca3513]

You shouldn't feel a threat to your manhood if you cannot drive a manual ... It's okay. Any seasoned driver knows that a contest between a manual and a PDK GT4 will depend on driving skills not transmissions.

[@fireteam_]

>a contest between a manual and a PDK GT4 will depend on driving skills not transmissions. If the drivers are anywhere close in skill the PDK will win every time, let's not kid ourselves. I only own manual cars but I'm also realistic about the situation: if you want to be driving the fastest car possible, the manual these days is most likely not the option.

[@RobinSingh-lf3iq]

As a 992 carrera s owner, I'm deeply considering ordering and trading in for a new 718 cayman gts 4.0 pdk. What's your take? A lot of reviewers are indirectly hinting that the gts 4.0 is a better car than the 911.

[@ice300tw]

PDK is the best

[@hadytarabay]

Only you can make such a interesting intro!🙌🏻

[@gurtejsingh1428]

Which road is this ? Seems like a perfect road for this car

[@shaheenevans]

So what was the gearing like in the PDK compared to the manual ? I heard it’s not much different ? Can you advise

[@MotoManTV]

Gearing is a bit more usable on the PDK . . .

[@eltoro764]

Pdk is 7 speed compared to 6 makes a massive difference

[@Epicmachine]

Would you pick one a used PDK one from a dealer in the US or would you order one, again PDK, and do a European delivery and drive it for 2 weeks around the best roads you can possibly drive (not to mention all the racetracks that you can visit)?

[@gordydexter2615]

I agree with you on Apple CarPlay. It is also a crime to charge for a navigation system. Porsche has been ripping off the customer on navigation systems since their first existence!!! Come on Porsche STOP doing that!!!

[@LSAworship]

good review sir!

[@Braydenplaysallday]

How’s the recall on this engine going?

[@oliverradcliffe7974]

Recall?

[@MrBigbeefguy]

@@oliverradcliffe7974 connecting rod issues on some of the 718 4.0 litre models

[@loosyinthesky]

Is there really a recall on the engine? I purchased one last week, they mentioned a recall on the ones with chrono packages. So they have mine kept until they can sort that out. I should probably mention the engine.

[@Braydenplaysallday]

The sport chrono is an entirely separate issue. The engine recall is effecting a wide range of cars. It’s not ‘every’ 4.0 - but it’s a lot of them. Check out the Rennlist forums for the GT4/Spyder.

[@bvans6439]

Fabulous used GT4 discussion. Perhaps used & CPO Porsche's may be the next motobro series...?

[@MotoManTV]

Thanks! You will see this come up more in the future.

[@QuietStormX]

For the 718 GT4 I'd take the Manual along with the 911 GT3 too. I don't own a Apple iPhone so I save $$$. I like FTD! 🤡👍😎

[@kristy77a]

Terrific car. I'm curious as to how that steering wheel with Race-Tex (new mouse fur) wears and ages vs. Alcantara (old mouse fur).

[@danny200mph5]

A new GT4 with PDK is offering similar price, sound and performance as a used Ferrari F430.

[@dominicpodom]

What's the word he says at the end of all his videos?

[@Link_1129]

I'll misspell it, but it's German for "see you later".

[@tamasszabo8824]

Bis später

[@charliewilson3528]

Great car and video!

[@AbsolutMassager]

@motoman, now here’s a dilemma, you said you’d love to have a GT3 Porsche....would you choose a GT4 fully loaded for the same price of a used GT3 non RS?

[@MotoManTV]

GT3.

[@foesfly3047]

Since most reviewers agree that gearing is unfavorably long in the manual transmission in the GT4, does the PDK version seem to correct that?

[@993mike]

Unfortunately no, the same 1-6 gearing as the manual basically. Watch Matt's review on The Smoking Tire as he goes over the gearing details on the pdk car

[@foesfly3047]

@@993mike thank you. I appreciate your reply.

[@nafnaf0]

@@foesfly3047 Yes, to quote Matt Farah from Smoking Tire, redlines: PDK 2nd = 79mph, 3rd = 108mph, Manual 2nd = 83mph, 3rd = 114mph. So it is slightly less tall, but not by much

[@sbfhawk4343]

The PDK dual clutch system is not like any other Auto Transmission out there. The way the sport mode and Super Sport activate the higher RPM shifting points it shifts like you were driving the stick. Minus the stick. Does that man I want all PDK in all my cars no. I prefer Stick in my CRX, or my Supra. or the Fj40 hell even in the GT3 4.0 with the sport mode. But those cars are perfect for stick shifting. The PDK is the next thing to shifting and at times faster. My Porsche GTS Macan shifts like a bat out of hell in that mode and my hand is always on the auto stick lever by habit. If your in need of doing auto this is the best out there hands down. Try launching a Porsche in Launch mode like the GTS dude its violent!!! We know guys building Porsches with 1000 HP plus driving around with the PDK all day long.

[@itguru2037]

What are your thoughts on the base cayman 718?

[@AustinF516]

Haha I knew the wish list would consist of just a wish item that being standard Apple car play lmaooo

[@CRA677]

Is it possible to get the OEM rollcage imported to the U.S.?

[@johnwalz2182]

I once saw a person posting on Rennlist with a statement in his signature that said “PDK: leaving your right hand free to scratch your vagina.”

[@michaelh9]

All those vaginas when driving my porsche

[@alcorsi1968]

This is the review I have been waiting for! I have been pondering weather Manual or PDK. It would seem that what I can make sense of is that you predict the manual will hold it’s value better. I wanted a car for the weekend to have some fun. I have toyed with the thought of spending £90k on a new GT4 PDK but then saw your video on the 992 Carrera which seems equally a great proposition. Once I have got the boy racer out of me then I will settle for a limited number 911 which only be driven on special occasions. After watching BMW M2 video made me think do I have to spend £90k on a car, No. I value your opinion and would like your advice. Out of the following vehicles which would YOU BUY ? My list: Mercedes AMG GTs 2018, Porsche GT4 2016, Porsche 911 991.2 GTS 2016 or BMW M2 Competition 2017 (not as special as others though). I look forward to seeing more videos. Cheers. Aldo.

[@John-we7jx]

I’m not George but I have a GT4 and have had 911 and M2C - the M2C is fun but just can’t lay the power down or handle like the P - the GT4 is way more fun than the 911 - never driven an AMG GT but I hate the current incarnation of M infotainment and an AMG GT owner did offer to buy my GT4 - I declined :)

[@alcorsi1968]

@@John-we7jx Hi John, thank you for your comments. For me it’s not an easy decision as I don’t have the funds to swap and change. There is one thing which always plays on my mind, which is the long gearing on both gearboxes. I thought that the PDK would not have this problem but it seems from watching more KZbin videos that this as changed only by a few mph. Do you use your GT4 as a daily driver? What specification do you have? Cheers Aldo

[@John-we7jx]

@@alcorsi1968 Hi Al - the whole 'long gearing' issue is a lot of Chinese whispers imho- if you want to change gear round town - no issues easy to use up to 4 and click into 5-6 if you hitvthe freeway. Because you have a huge rev range you csn stay in gear and rev up with a smooth delivery of torque - thats the beauty of the NA engine. You dont need to stay in a narrow rev band to utilise turbo max power output. I have a a lot of fun on the track staying in 2-3 :) or even just 3rd. I have steel brakes, leather dash and went for 18 ways rather than lwb as Im after fun rather maxing out lap times. It would work as a DD but i choose not to as i have short, start-stop commute. Im getting a 991 TTS but im not gonna part with the GT4- only car id swap for would be a 991.2 GT3 🙂

[@alcorsi1968]

@@John-we7jx Thank you John. That’s reassuring to know. I am going to take on board what you have said. What colour do you have and wheel combination. Cheers Aldo

[@MrSchn3ll]

What is your preference, this GT4 (with or without the PDK) or a manual Carrera T? I own the T currently and am lusting after the 4.0L NA engine.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

What is your daily profile - does it need to have backseats? Will you daily it? That depends... the Carrera T is better for daily driving it, if it's the second car - or you don't have family yet - love the Cayman and the engine. Best is driving one.

[@MrSchn3ll]

@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 No backseat in my T (I have the buckets), and yes I daily it as much as possible. Wife, no kids. I've driven 981 GT4 and liked it, but didn't love it. I felt the interior was unrefined (no Carplay). Hard part is finding a 718 GT4 to drive...

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

@@MrSchn3ll yes that's maybe the answer - all new 718 should have AppleCar play though..but the most important is you need to love it man! If you don't, stay away and enjoy your T :)

[@gjonno]

@@MrSchn3ll why would you want CarPlay in a car like this? Just sayin’.....

[@MrSchn3ll]

@@gjonno Because not everyone tracks the car every day and music is something people like to have in a car that's $100k+

[@LeniviyRU]

I don't need Apple CarPlay or Navigation in my 718 Cayman GT4 clubsport.

[@tomcars]

amazing gt4

[@aurorajones8481]

What road are you killing this on. I know you drive this road regularly but ive never asked and would love to know. Id love to take my Ducati out there.

[@HellaRandomVideos]

The 981 GT4 = F360 & 718 GT4 = F430.

[@IM_Arcades]

Not exactly. The .1 GT3 suffers from the issue of all engine recall. Their resale dropped hard because of it. The only reason the resale value has climbed back up in recent months is because of inventory shortage and COVID that brought the price back up to some degree. Allocation numbers for the 718 GT4/Spyder are also extremely low. It took me a long time at my dealership to get one and they are top 3 in US for sales. You'll be lucky to even find one at the moment. Talking resale when it comes to Porsche GT cars is basically splitting hairs. As long as they are Porsche NA Flat Six, a GT and well kept, the resale will be generally high. Even the older .1 Targa with the last N/A Flat Six sold for MSRP with 20k+ miles because it is what buyers prioritize. That wont' change much, especially with EV looming on the horizon.

[@diluxe]

Is 2nd gear still to long ?

[@limpunsing224]

It's a great car but is it a future collector item ?

[@swiper1818]

Charging for navigation is also ridiculous!!!

[@atlasrex]

Time for all these old guys that were driving manuals in their youth and move on to the PDK. Sort of like in 1900 when old guys said horses are more engaging - and took more skill than that silly motorcar. So people pay $100,000 plus for a fast car and then purposely make it slower with an old technology transmission?

[@KeynSong]

Maybe “he” needs a pdk to push harder? Some of us don’t 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@Braydenplaysallday]

I don’t understand why PCNA doesn’t offer the clubsport package with roll cage - but Europe can get it. 992 GT3 clubsport package please ✅

[@marcnobel3938]

Some stupids laws avoid that. Same as the separator in the frunk so you can`t put people in it ...

[@johncrazy8756]

hinweis LOL good one!!

[@topboxing4764]

Would you stay in a 2020 GT4?

[@sleepyguy007]

apple carplay IS standard on 2021 models.

[@Cool12354]

No it’s not. Or on 2022 models….. but if you’re buying the car for that, please buy a Volkswagen GTI

[@jonathanfountain4422]

Motoman: you said this car was “10 tenths,” while the manual is “6 tenths.” What did you mean?

[@fireteam_]

Car enthusiasts usually refer to how close they are to driving at their own limit in tenths. So 1 tenth would be like commuting to work while 10 tenths is one setting lap times at a familiar track. Obviously one would be faster as you go up the scale, but also more prone to error as you're getting closer to running out of driver skill.

[@MotoManTV]

Exactly as @chrisbecco said . . .

[@jjgravante]

Buy it, drive it for 2 years as a weekend toy (5k miles per year), sell it for sticker. Profit.

[@davidrivera2165]

The 2021 4.0 GTS Cayman or Boxter is the better fit for the PDK. The Syder and GT4 should only come with the manual. GTS is more of a daily driver, while Cayman and Spyder are fun cars for the twisties and a track. Thanks George.

[@bavariancarenthusiast2722]

Such a cool car! but 127kUSD is serious money. Getting a GT4 and not driving - this is a serious crime over here, it can be penalised with driving 1 year SUV only, you would not wish this for your worse enemy would you? Porsche are made for being driven, as much as you can. It's a real GT as you say from Flach :) Manual it is. No changes please - why change perfection?

[@crossphaded]

There's one, big problem. The GTS has pretty much the same engine, minus all the bells and whistles. Much better bang for the buck.

[@MotoManTV]

You have that in reverse. The price delta is sooooo small between the GTS and the GT4, when you add in the GT suspension bits, aero body work and the lower production numbers, the GTS does not make any sense.

[@scottmesenbrink93]

Agree it’s in reverse. I would pay the premium over the GTS just to get the suspension, brakes and aero bits. In fact I did. It’s an easy decision because the platform is way more value for money over the GTS.

[@rembo183]

@@MotoManTV ~ I’ve read it’s very hard to get one -GT4- where the GTS is much more attainable. Is that true?

[@boywonderrr71]

These are going for $133 lowest now pdk.

[@raphymartinez]

Why does it look like he’s a hologram in this video?

[@bourbontraveler]

Dave Love the channel, but please stop referring to Dave Ramsey

[@MotoManTV]

No.

[@gsthree9534]

Maybe it's the mic, but man that thing sounds awful compared to earlier porsche engines.

[@vivekh7662]

Apple Car Play and fix the gearing!!!

[@toddstevens8506]

Who cares about the speculators, they have no place among car people. Speculation is one of the reasons we're staring down the barrel of a lower standard of living. Drive 'em and enjoy the ride.

[@MotoManTV]

Drive 'em, indeed!

[@theraggededgeonboardfastes8461]

Simple logic if its mid or rear engine the added weight of the pdk is amortized in a benign part of the chassis-so you eschew the manual. If its front-engine you flip a coin...

[@itguru2037]

You can’t wind out the gears on the 4.0. The base 718 is superior

[@MotoManTV]

You clearly have never driven one.

[@itguru2037]

@@MotoManTV of course I have. And I purchased a 2021 cayman base. I own a Porsche, do you?

[@xetexuk12]

No, there's only one way to drive a GT4, and that's with a manual. Steering wheel's on the wrong side too. : )

[@seattimetv]

Nope, I’m clutching!!!🦶🏾🦶🏾🦶🏾

[@mattx4253]

Why is everyone talking about a car nobody can actually buy. Just come out and tell everyone the GT cars are a scam to sell the porsches that will devalue like a stone on a pebble beach

[@hatorihanzo242]

proof that people are too lazy to shift. Paddle shifting is a joke.

[@GLialios]

The economic mask coincidingly punch because reward ostensibly escape before a private whip. many, auspicious charles

[@SimRan-ur5nl]

Wtf

[@machtschnell7452]

Android Auto?

[@MotoManTV]

Not in a Porsche.

[@gordydexter2615]

Android Auto is coming in 2022 after Porsche/Volkswagen won law suit verses Android Auto!

[@stevesmith1732]

I am all set with my W213 E63S and 987... not spending $120k for poor-man's 911.

[@rokuthedragon5675]

If you have 120k this is a much better buy than a 911, engine is in the right spot, better stats, also 4 seats? Might as well be driving a minivan