Can you really buy and legally use a full self-driving car today?

Following up from testing the ‪@MercedesBenz‬ DRIVE PILOT system on the ‪@mercedes-benzdeutschland6893‬ proving grounds last summer, MotoMan tests the market ready system on the freeways of Los Angeles just before the system goes on sale in Nevada and California. Yes, he learns the system works but presents some unexpected challenges.
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[@felipe7112]

Good explanation. 💯

[@Mister_MasterzRN]

One frustrating aspect of these systems is the delay in response during "stop and go" situations, like in traffic. When the car ahead moves, the autopilot in your vehicle often has a noticeable delay before it starts moving. This can be annoying to drivers behind you due to the sluggish reaction in keeping pace with the car in front.

[@sexpistill]

Before we go any further the different light idea is spot on

[@mikemaslanka3786]

MM, I have been subscribed for almost 3 years now and think your reviews are of the highest quality. What is keeping you from exploring the possibility of developing a weekly syndicated automobile review/news show for nationwide TV station/cable distribution? Your average video length is about 15 minutes now and for a 30 minute show you would have to expand it to about 22 minutes before commercials. The show could be what you are doing now; car reviews, interviews and sprinkle in pertinent news about the industry. It would generate more income for you and leverage your voice and opinion in the industry giving you more “clout”. Living in “So. Kommiefornia” gives you access to all of the media industry to put something like that together. To me, this would almost be a slam dunk for you! Just thinking……

[@MotoManTV]

Thanks for the vote of confidence Mike . . . Going to be growing the show over time. Does that mean traditional distribution as has been for most of the history of TV? Don't know. The media landscape is changing and we have to not only adapt, but be where the ball is going. Stay tuned.

[@arthurcatalanotto1151]

I have to say that I truly appreciate this technology; but I still enjoy and want to drive my own vehicle. I am 63 years old. I have to wonder what the insurance industry thinks of this autonomy driving stuff? Thanks for another interesting video.

[@MotoManTV]

Good question. I need to get an industry insider on the show to talk candidly about it.

[@OldSkoolUncleChris]

Do you know Sandy Monroe? He recently said the answer is infa-red not LIDAR, citing the accuracy and its effectiveness as used by US military.

[@davecarlson6275]

Since I’m old and think this self-driving stuff is nuts, I fear the first time the system gets hacked and causes the biggest multi-car crash anyone has ever seen.

[@loseerich493]

You mean like what happened with countless Toyota Prius' back in the day?

[@rodgerk.]

You mean like the clusterf*ck on the SF Bay Bridge where a self-driving Tesla caused a 9 car pileup when it came to a dead stop for no reason?

[@rodgerk.]

@@loseerich493 Are you referring to the fact that nearly all those Prius accidents were driver error? Telemetry data showed the brake pedal was never touched in almost all cases of reported "unintended acceleration".

[@loseerich493]

Well I know for a fact that in at least 1 particular crash/fatality it was an off-duty CHP officer who was on the phone trying to get the runaway car to stop for quite a while & was unable @@rodgerk. There was also more than 1 crash where the brakes were literally roasted off the car from the driver trying to get the runaway car slowed. We're talking what, 20-years ago now? I don't have the reports & such at my fingertips. I've owned a # of Toyotas in my life & own a Camry right now.

[@seanh2390]

let’s see how it does in the snow :-)

[@cls63amgwagon34]

They already said it only works in sunny clear conditions

[@macdee1337]

Hmm that’s kinda funny. I’m driving the Toyota’s new Crown, and they have a preeeeeeetty similar system called Advanced Drive (which is a part/extension? Of Toyota safety sense 3 system, which would: - only work on approved highways and larger country roads (afaik these don’t need to be specifically mapped, but think Toyota does some sort of higher resolution maps for them?..) - needs some traffic (jams) - speeds up to 40km/h - stop and go, no holding the wheel, it’ll track your attention - no lane change - believe it would still work in at least dusk conditions as well as at least light rain though. They don’t call Level 3. Because really, it isn’t. And yes, it’s available for all Crown RS Advanced trims, no limits on number of cars produced as long as you want one. And no subscriptions. So hm.. Unless I’m missing something, Mercedes proposition is kinda a bit weird and way too limited? And also shouldn’t even be called L3 level, probably. That’s said, Lexus LS and Toyota Mirai have even higher level systems with Lidars, where you can drive on mapped highways (pretty much all main highways of Japan) AND they would get you from entrance to exit, including lane changes. Called Copilot I believe.

[@Cloxxki]

Apart from the Austin traffic jam ones? :-D

[@garyclark6747]

Ah, so that’s what the extra steering wheel buttons are at 10 and 2. Though my HDA2 in my 2023 Hyundai IONIQ 5 Limited AWD does change lanes and requires an ever so slight torque input to the wheel, in stop and go I can not remember it requiring that input so maybe it’s by the distance covered. HDA2 doesn’t require pre-mapped roads or a subscription. Seems like Hyundai is push level two autonomy to a very comprehensive level and the KIA’s EV9 will debut the first LiDAR that I might add is quite handsomely integrated. They will not however be releasing those capabilities at launch for similar reasons you discussed I’m sure. I for one will not be paying for feature hardware that isn’t enhancing HDA in the meantime. I like driving too much to stress if the vehicle is handling it well. Hyundai should implement a better notification of system disengagement. 💯Yes, hands on the wheel but honestly that doesn’t alert you that a system you trust isn’t making decisions any longer about a lot more than just steering that has been disengaged. Great analysis as always. 15:01

[@jays9211]

This system seems very primitive compared to Tesla which can actual take you to a destination by making turns after coming to a stop at a light or stop sign.

[@msalvag]

Very interesting technology. Not for me, as I enjoy driving myself, but still fascinating to see it in action. I suspect if I had this car in Ontario and was watching videos instead of driving, I'd be ticketed heavily by the OPP for distracted driving.

[@Zripas]

Its adaptive cruise control... Which was around for like a decade or so.

[@fantomtuba]

I'm curious how this would work on the German Autobahn. What do you do, set max cruise control to 150mph, let the car go, and trust it?

[@cls63amgwagon34]

He clearly said it only works below 40 mph…

[@markb3866]

It doesn't work in big cities like nyc, in Manhattan as an example. Passenger would get so mad that it tales 3x as long to get to a destination. Just like people who are dumping tesla cause it takes too long to get to destination on a long road trip.

[@nappiral]

My 2021 M550 will do handsfree traffic up to 40 mph. I believe the newest BMWs do it up to 70 mph on limited access roads and both will change lanes on signal. This doesn't seem like a breakthrough and the rear camera seems to be the only difference.

[@MotoManTV]

Have a lot of experience behind the wheel of that car. Yes, a Level 2 but very different from this system, both in hardware and software. All spelled out in this episode.

[@cheapercharlie]

any feedback from MBZ on why the cutoff above 40mph?

[@MotoManTV]

If I am reading the tea leaves correctly, this is a legal speed bump they engineered into the system as they ramp up the learning.

[@javim2589]

Technology still needs top continue moving forward before people really trust the systems or have a truly inhate value for customers. It´s a bit like electric cars, once they show comparable or better performance across all uses they will sell before ICE cars. For those who like tech is interesting info indeed.

[@etjulien]

You can almost always guarantee traffic on the 10 when you approach the 405.😂

[@MotoManTV]

Funny behind the scenes story. This event was set up as a morning session and an afternoon session. I was in the afternoon session, but the folks in the morning session could not get the system to work because there was zero traffic. Don't know what was going on that day, but everyone stayed home - at least in the morning. I would have MUCH preferred something in between, solid traffic but not the wall of traffic we got because it is uninteresting to see the car sit more than actually drive.

[@dafigueredo]

So question, what’s the difference between this and BMW driver assistance professional? My 22 M4 was able drive itself hands free when on an interstate and under 45 mph. It would watch and track eyes and warn me to take control as the speed increased up to 45 during traffic.

[@MotoManTV]

This is the first system to 'officially' be blessed by a government as Level 3 (SAE: www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update). In this case, by Germany, Nevada & California. The rest, no matter what they do or how they do it, are currently classified as Level 2.

[@Zripas]

@@MotoManTV So basically same exact or worse technology, difference is only that manufacturer takes responsibility for the damage?

[@Cloxxki]

5 levels of self driving, and Tesla has been stuck on two for a decade, since they first got into it.

[@OldSkoolUncleChris]

Makes you wonder if Tesla is a mess in some sense

[@Cloxxki]

@@OldSkoolUncleChris NOt as much as the people paying $15K for a service that is not showing any signs of ever working, and was previously promised to work by 2017 or 2018. They've done away with a sensor partner, lidar and now also with radar.

[@telliesmith9825]

This system looks like it's behind the GM super cruise and Tesla auto p just saying

[@MotoManTV]

www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

[@joao-pt]

Nice video, interesting tech but F*CK car manufacturers subscriptions! Thank you for the comprehensive review, as always.

[@hz4331]

Looks like you’re also a pilot would you make some videos about airplanes

[@leeraymer166]

He has one from a few years ago. If you pull up some of his videos from around 2019 you should find it. It was a really fun video of him going cross country with some of his hangar mates to Oshkosh I believe. Sorry I don’t have the direct link to the video. It was really good though.

[@MotoManTV]

I would LOVE to do more, but no one watched this one . . . kzbin.info/www/bejne/jH_UaWVmpcqEbrc

[@leeraymer166]

@@MotoManTV I watched, but I understand that these videos take a lot of time, effort and $$$ to put out.

[@bioduntube]

I think the slowest part of this chain will be the law. Human interaction with technology will be the draw back

[@MotoManTV]

BINGO!

[@theoneandonlysoslappy]

Talk about minimal use cases! No weather, no night, no bikes, no pedestrians, no emergency vehicles, no construction zones, no lane changing, no high speed, no phone use, only on specific highways. So never.

[@macstone9719]

After all you went through with your accident, I hope self-driving will never be "normal". It simply produces very bad drivers.

[@MotoManTV]

Can't argue with you on that one!

[@M1911jln]

Under 40 mph, only in traffic with a car in front of you, only during the day, only in good weather. This system is basically useless.

[@MotoManTV]

I see where you are coming from, however what they are doing is taking baby steps while managing liability through a steep learning curve.

[@michaelfrancis-vb7tp]

What is cadillac? chopped liver

[@MotoManTV]

Level 2. www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update

[@Niko-kf7ue]

This is so sick. Hope they can inrease the speed of the system soon.

[@neohimself]

Mercedes full self-driving is a joke.

[@BertShackleford]

Would you trust an autonomous platform to perform life saving/threatening surgery on you? Then why would you trust it to safely drive you around? I rest my case. Stay classy my friends.

[@ajnracing6034]

I much prefer this approach from Mercedes where they are figuring out everything slowly and legally unlike Tesla that falsely advertises and gives beta software to test into the wild.

[@MotoManTV]

I really wish they took the same approach on EV.

[@ajnracing6034]

@@MotoManTV agreed

[@Zripas]

@@ajnracing6034 Which part of "beta" you did not understood exactly? And again... I keep explaining this basic reality to people like you over and over and over again... For love of your god or whatever you believe in, if you want to have any sensible comparison with Tesla then compare it to its autopilot or enhanced autopilot systems and NOT to FSD... FSD is being made to work on ANY road and in ANY conditions, while auto pilot is made to work on highways, just like this mercedes joke system is. So next time... Just do basic research before you talk.

[@ajnracing6034]

@@Zripas auto pilot is only made to be use on highways NOW because unlike Tesla, Mercedes doesn’t want to announce things that are not ready. If they wanted they could also allow the car to drive itself anywhere, but since they don’t have a clown as they their CEO and they have a 120 years of reputation, they don’t want news titles saying a Mercedes crashed into a cyclist.

[@Zripas]

@@ajnracing6034 you honestly don't understand difference between driving on a highway with a lead car and a system which can drive anywhere? Seriously?... Issue isn't with Musk overpromising things, issue is with people like you who are so ignorant on this topic that they think Mercedes could "enable" this system to be used anywhere... Jebus...

[@Tully3674]

Head scratcher...Large majority who watch this channel (IMO), enjoy all aspects driving. They don't want to be driven. So...why is this relevant to the audience (aside from general knowledge)?

[@MotoManTV]

Appreciate this feedback. A bit behind the scenes. I look at this channel as a combination of discussions: 1.) Yes, performance cars 2.) New technologies 3.) Talking to the key people that shape the car and adjacent worlds And then there is that 'X' factor. Something that blends all of the above.